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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Birds on April 16, 2011, 04:54:12 pm
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I would just like to say.. I think the system is effed... with the "Revenge Tking system." If I am shot in the back, from an allied archer, and no appology is given, I don't see the problem in me, Hitting them in the back, No appology. Why should I have to take there shit, and if an admin doesn't do nothen about it, why can't I do somthing? Doesn't make sense. The reason I bring this up, Is becuase I was fighting Nindurr_ATS in the 80 man Battle server, and it was 1v1, and I proceed to get shot, in the back, by my allied archer. I then get slashed in the face and killed. Thankyou archer. Here's what really pissed me off, I typed in team chat, so the BlackRose guy could hear it, "Can You appologize for shooting me in the back and getting me killed?" No reply. I was raging. So I typed in all chat, I'm going to Hit every archer in the back that hits me, no appology. I don't see the problem in that, I can "accidently" hit you too. That is all....
Pharaoh.
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Making this thread won't help your situation. But I also dislike when someone doesn't apologise for teamwounding or killing. Especially when it was obvious.
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I know it won't.. but it makes me feel better about the morons out there ... andlol atleast now i know people will see..
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Players are not required to apologize, it is considered good conduct to do so, and if you dont apologize chances are, you either didn't realize you did it, or you dont care. If someone teamwounds you or teamkills you intentionally, you report it in public chat and an admin will deal with it. You have no god given right to get revenge on the player in question. If you can't deal with the fact that accidently team fire happens sometime, you need to stop playing video games.
I don't understand the point of this topic, the rules are clear, someone should just close this.
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Well.. I'm going to accidently hit them aswell.
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It's warband nindurr... Not life and death. If I get revenge... so be it.
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It's warband nindurr... Not life and death. If I get revenge... so be it.
Nice gf btw
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Well.. I'm going to accidently hit them aswell.
Remind me to screen shot you regularly and remember this charming comment.
You once took out my horse on an alt and never apologized, yet I never raged... Despite that blasted horse being the vast majority of my build...
In the famous words of Aldryk: Deal With It
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It's warband nindurr... Not life and death. If I get revenge... so be it.
it sux to be shot/hit by team mates but it happens accidentally all the time
if it makes you rage then i have to advocate taking a little break (a few minutes?) cos i used to be exactly like you but just taking a minute to chill lets my mind re-assess the situation and realise that it's not worth a revenge tk/td and its not worth me getting banned/kicked just to feel a little better
if, however it is some griefer doing it to you then call him out, im sure there's plenty of NA admins who will deal with it
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Lol... destin I took you your horse becuase you were not on it.. and it ran me over.
I would be less... upest.. if people just appologizes... thats all..
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accidental teamhitting happens - I have been hit countless time by melee, throwers, and archers/xbows, and myself I take risky shots as well and when I swing my 1 WPF Claymore in melee, it is better for teammates not to be around, lol ;-)
None of this is intentional.
What pisses me off more are the intentional teamhitters and griefers - their first action in a round is to turn around and shoot a teammate in the back or slash away at your horse (before it moved or bumped anyone... ) or throw some shit into someones back (preferably archer's back, the haters must hate... ).
There are several chars that do this constantly and intentionally, are careful only to hurt, not to kill, so they maintain a reasonable k/d ratio, and nobody cares... must be a privilege of certain circles. In those cases I have started to ignore the "no revenge tk"-rule as well: if some tard attacks me more than once and obviously not by chance, I defend myself.
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woot
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I have started to ignore the "no revenge tk"-rule as well: if some tard attacks me more than once and obviously not by chance, I defend myself.
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Agreed... (: lol.. I don't usually rage.. well... lol but anyways i don't ever team hit in spawn i dont ever team hit intentionally, It's only when poeple are greedy and try and "help" me but end up killing me. In Real life, Do you think an archer would shoot at a guy if two people are fighting? cmon...
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Archers are really confident about their skills of actually hitting their target. Which obviously is wrong, because they cant predict the movement in an ongoing fight.
Usually archer suck at melee, they chose to be archers because they have bad response times. There is some very noticeable exceptions, who are capable of taking anybody in melee too.
Many people get killed by the secondary effect of a friendly archer shooting at your opponent, that happened to everyone.
I agree that we need some kind of punishment for teamkillers be it accidental or on purpose, rather waiting for an admin.
Not sure if the goldloss is still in place when you tk someone, but how about RESETTING the multiplier for the one who tks. Even install a 0.5 and 0 multiplier (0 for when they tk twice in a certain amount of time)
One problem with that would be the inventory screen at the end of each round, because theres a lot of unintentional teamkilling going on.
If you like my idea, feel free to bring it to the suggestion forum. I myself rarely get tked by archers when in fight with another melee, because those fights are rather short. And most of the archers dont want to piss me off anyways, I can be very persistant following a target through enemy territory :)
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Yea, it happens...a lot. Not just archers but throwers as well. Just last night I was fighting a peasant of all people and I got shot 3 times in the back plus a thrower put a dart in my leg. Peasant one-shotted me. Did I rage? Nope. Just kept on trucking.
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In Real life, Do you think an archer would shoot at a guy if two people are fighting? cmon...
actually the "don't shoot into melee"-rule is flawed. I have decided a lot of melee fights by stunning the opponent with an arrow, so my teammate could finally end that fight and finish the guy off.
Sometimes it goes wrong, but if you wait until they move away from each other briefly, the risk is not that high. Problem are archers (and even worse throwers) machinegunning into totally unpredictable clusterfucks without even aiming... seen that a lot recently...
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I would just like to say.. I think the system is effed... with the "Revenge Tking system." If I am shot in the back, from an allied archer, and no appology is given, I don't see the problem in me, Hitting them in the back, No appology.
I'll be the first one to say that I teamhit plenty, just like anybody. Sometimes it's a situation where I can't avoid it and nothing I could do would stop the teamhit, but probably most of the time I just fuck up. Either way, I try to always apologize, but sometimes things happen in-game and I can't stop to take the time, in which case, I try to remember to do it later. I'm sure that sometimes I just don't even notice it happen. It's unfortunate, but nobody's perfect.
I also get teamhit plenty, just like anybody. If it looks to me like a situation where it could easily have been avoided, but there's no apology, I usually ask for one just like you did. If I don't get it, then I might think the guy's a bit of a jerk, and if he mouths off at me then chances are I'll sass him right back, but that's about it.
Why should I have to take there shit, and if an admin doesn't do nothen about it, why can't I do somthing? Doesn't make sense.
We're not the all-seeing eye. I'd suggest you try doing a better job yourself, but if you can't understand something this basic about how rules work, it's probably for the best that you're never given admin rights.
The reason I bring this up, Is becuase I was fighting Nindurr_ATS in the 80 man Battle server, and it was 1v1, and I proceed to get shot, in the back, by my allied archer. I then get slashed in the face and killed. Thankyou archer. Here's what really pissed me off, I typed in team chat, so the BlackRose guy could hear it, "Can You appologize for shooting me in the back and getting me killed?" No reply. I was raging.
Well, you can guess that he was probably trying to help you. A lot of guys have trouble telling when it's safe, though, and especially archers and lancers are prone to taking unnecessary risks, because the way their weapons work makes it particularly easy to hit the teammate instead of the enemy. Sure, he should have apologized, but maybe he didn't notice he'd hit you. Maybe he didn't think to apologize and didn't see you talking. Maybe he was a bit of a dick and thought it was your fault for getting in the way. Whatever the case, if you rage, then you're the one making a mistake. Controlling your own temper is your responsibility.
So I typed in all chat, I'm going to Hit every archer in the back that hits me, no appology. I don't see the problem in that, I can "accidently" hit you too. That is all....
Second mistake. Two wrongs don't make a right. If you ever make good on a threat like that, don't expect mercy from any admin who sees you.
It's warband nindurr... Not life and death. If I get revenge... so be it.
You start out fine, but arrive at the wrong conclusion. You're damn right it's not life or death, which is why you need to chill the fuck out and deal with the occasional teamhit, because it's not like they're going to stop happening. If you can't abide by the rules yourself, expect to be banned sooner or later.
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An eye for an eye. I dont get revenge... just even. I never killed the guy or team hit him.. for that fact... and.. i was tked earlier in the round because a guy i thought was enemy was beihind me.. oi was typing sorry and he started throwing at me an dkilled me.. yes.. i was mad... smae thing happened to him... but no warning...
I do control my anger i think... just bottles up after awhile...
After awhile,,, i just made a post about it.. and how i feel about it..
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An eye for an eye.
What was that thing about the thing making the whole world blind, again...?
I dont get revenge... just even.
Cute. :P
I never killed the guy or team hit him.. for that fact... and.. i was tked earlier in the round because a guy i thought was enemy was beihind me.. oi was typing sorry and he started throwing at me an dkilled me.. yes.. i was mad... smae thing happened to him... but no warning...
It's good that you didn't. As for the guy TKing you and getting away with it -- there's only so many of us, and we can't be everywhere. If it happens again and you want him to get what's coming to him, keep a cool head and take screenshots that clearly show what's happening, then post them with a ban request. If you start making your own rules and TK him back and an admin happens to see it, then you'll be the one getting banned, and the other guy will still get off scot-free.
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Nindurr was there and did nothing about it.. just.. .said ill be watching* lol.. I know.. im sorry for ... geting up set about people getting away with teamwounding and not appologizing about it... that's my only problem.. i asked for an appology... and still nothin.. i mean.. why can people talk shit.. but once they get hit its the person who took action on it... looks like a dick.
actually the "don't shoot into melee"-rule is flawed. I have decided a lot of melee fights by stunning the opponent with an arrow, so my teammate could finally end that fight and finish the guy off.
Sometimes it goes wrong, but if you wait until they move away from each other briefly, the risk is not that high. Problem are archers (and even worse throwers) machinegunning into totally unpredictable clusterfucks without even aiming... seen that a lot recently...
I have too.. i play on bluebunny.. but i was clearly infront of the guy and he still shot at me.. i dont understand.. how he can just.. do what he wants becuase he's an archer.. if i was an archer and i shot into melee and hit my own team... (which i have before on BLueBunny but still appologized for) Then i would expect the guy to do somthing... idk.
I guess.. i don't usually rage at people when they appologize.. I usually say hey np it happens.. but .. when archers or someone just is that ignorant... it gets under my skin.
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You know, if you think of extra things to say and you're the only one talking, it's a lot less messy to edit them into your last post than to keep adding new ones. :P
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oh.. lol :lol: Idk how to edit. lol new to the forums things.. i can't quote people right yet either... lol
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It's the "modify" button on each of your own posts. If you click it, you can add in new stuff, or change/delete the old. Quoting is pretty easy, just hit the button on the post you want to quote. If you don't want to get the whole thing, then remove the parts you don't want which fall between these dealies:
[quote] [/quote]
First one marks the start of the quote, second one the end. You can write your own post around or after the quote, and if you want to quote the same post in multiple parts, copy/paste those bits to split it up.
Went ahead and edited those posts together for you.
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If it happens again and you want him to get what's coming to him, keep a cool head and take screenshots that clearly show what's happening, then post them with a ban request.
err - and how exactly would one do that? Usually the griefer hits/throws/stabs from behind and runs. Nothing to see, you are lucky if you manage to read the nametag yourself as he runs off. Nothing in the log either, unless he actually kills you instead of taking 2/3 of your life or killing your horse.
Only thing you can do is report it in public chat that asshat XY is teamwounding as usual, and in a few lucky cases there is an admin on who cares about this kind of shit. Usually there is not.
We had sessions where a whole team agreed to tk a certain player on sight, because the nut would not stop teamwounding, admin was off, and so were votes....
Sometimes it is rather funny, but recently it sucks, esp. on NA.
The only solution would be admins actually taking teamwounding reports (not just TKs) seriously and then watching those players so they witness themselves what is going on. And then take action - unless those kids know they really risk a permaban, they won't stop.
but i was clearly infront of the guy and he still shot at me.. i dont understand.. how he can just.. do what he wants becuase he's an archer..
don't know what exactly happened in your case, but SOMEtimes it is not intentional - a lot of people do not realize that most archers are in 1st person view when shooting and focusing on their target. So NEVER walk or stand in front of an archer that has his bow drawn and is aiming... he CAN't react in time, and you will be hit. Happens a lot, and in those cases I am not too sorry as well - guys standing in front of me while I shoot ask for it (e.g. xbows or other archers who do not respect that this shooting position is already taken and have to push you away... or players who have not yet discovered the a and d keys and are too lazy to run behind me instead of in front ). Walk behind him, or if the ass stands with his butt pressed against the wall give him a friendly nudge or whistle...
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If I've tk'd someone I make sure to say sorry at some point that round, depending on what's going on around me. If I team wound someone stupidly and obviously, I'll try to do the same, especially if my arrow stun contributed to their death. Sometimes though if I hit a friendly in a big fight or something and no one died, I probably won't say anything unless it was REALLY dumb of me. There's often too much going on in those situations to take the time to apologize especially when it didn't effect the fight.
I shoot into melee all the time, and would say I have a 66-80% chance of hitting the person I'm trying to hit. Yes, I do hit my teammate occasionally and I usually just say screw it at that point and bring out a melee weapon, but getting a successful hit in can really throw the enemy player's block off and can be the key to killing them. I'm not going to stop doing it, but I am going to continue to practice shooting as carefully as I can.
There are archers who seem to shoot into melee with impunity, and that's a problem. But if you're careful shooting into melee is a gamble worth taking. From time to time you're going to screw your teammate, but you're going to end up helping much more often.
Oh and yeah I don't feel too bad when I'm obviously drawing an arrow about to shoot and someone runs RIGHT in front of me as I let it fly. I'll still apologize but... it won't be heartfelt :P
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No offense Mamba, but I have never heard of you, and thus will gleefully shoot near you if I deem it appropriate. being able to chase someone with determination is not worthy of note, as it is hardly unique and often is a deliberate tactic for a "rabbit" to lead off and distract a melee or three into following him.
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The only solution would be admins actually taking teamwounding reports (not just TKs) seriously and then watching those players so they witness themselves what is going on. And then take action - unless those kids know they really risk a permaban, they won't stop.
Quite a few admins do this. The problem is that to watch a player he either needs to be near the admin or the admin needs to be dead so he can spectate the offender. Admins are players too. I don't mind sitting out a round or 2 to keep an extra close eye on someone, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be spending all my game time in spectator mode. Generally speaking if someone reports somebody else, I'll warn that person, keep an eye out for him and punish him more severly if I catch him breaking the rules.
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err - and how exactly would one do that? Usually the griefer hits/throws/stabs from behind and runs. Nothing to see, you are lucky if you manage to read the nametag yourself as he runs off. Nothing in the log either, unless he actually kills you instead of taking 2/3 of your life or killing your horse.
Only thing you can do is report it in public chat that asshat XY is teamwounding as usual, and in a few lucky cases there is an admin on who cares about this kind of shit. Usually there is not.
We had sessions where a whole team agreed to tk a certain player on sight, because the nut would not stop teamwounding, admin was off, and so were votes....
If it's an ongoing problem but there's nobody who can fix it on the server, you should try to fetch and admin from IRC. If that doesn't work, then like I said, screenshots are an option. For a single driveby teamhit or teamkill, though, there's obviously not a whole hell of a lot anyone can do about it, unless there just happens to be and admin right there who clearly sees the whole thing. It's too bad, but no system is perfect. Revenge attacks are still not allowed.
The only solution would be admins actually taking teamwounding reports (not just TKs) seriously and then watching those players so they witness themselves what is going on. And then take action - unless those kids know they really risk a permaban, they won't stop.
We can't act on hearsay, and team wounding whether it's clearly accidental, intentional or just seemingly intentional to the victim, happens all the time. If a name keeps coming up then obviously we'll do our best to keep an eye out for them, but this isn't the Big Brother world of 1984. We can only watch so many people. If someone keeps team wounding again and again, though, it'll get more and more likely that an admin will catch him at it.
Also, I missed this bit:
i was clearly infront of the guy and he still shot at me.. i dont understand.. how he can just.. do what he wants becuase he's an archer..
He can't, but the point is, it sounds like it was probably an accident. Most likely he thought he had a clear shot, but then you happened to move in the way, or he aimed it a little wrong, and he screwed up. But there's no way of being sure that he meant to hit you, which would make it a rule violation. If it keeps coming up as an issue with one archer playing in a stupidly reckless way, chances are we'll warn them, and punish them if they keep doing it.
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We can't act on hearsay, and team wounding whether it's clearly accidental, intentional or just seemingly intentional to the victim, happens all the time. If a name keeps coming up then obviously we'll do our best to keep an eye out for them, but this isn't the Big Brother world of 1984. We can only watch so many people.
Sure - btw I am not bitching at admins, I know that job is tough and usually unpaid and you can not sit in spec all day.
The problem won't be solvable anyways, I just wanted to mention it in this thread - because there are some names that have been "hearsaid" over and over for weeks and not just by me and are still there... esp. the anti-archer-mobbing (cav almost the same) on NA is a bit absurd recently, and I am not talking about single incidents, but regular and clearly intentional teamwounding, esp. from some thrower-chars and from some archer-hater-makes-archer-char-to-give-archer-bad-name bs chars.
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That "hit every archer" thing is a real dick move. Punchbacks are meh - sure, if someone runs up and starts kicking me, I'm gonna kick him back - but if you're gonna retaliate, make sure you know who you're going for. Getting wounded by some random archer while fighting? Who knows who that was.
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That "hit every archer" thing is a real dick move. Punchbacks are meh - sure, if someone runs up and starts kicking me, I'm gonna kick him back - but if you're gonna retaliate, make sure you know who you're going for. Getting wounded by some random archer while fighting? Who knows who that was.
very occasionally they might be trying to warn you of flankers ^^
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I don't have 80 pairs of eyes to watch everyone unfortunately.
Nindurr said he'd watch the person. He will / did. I also spend 2-4 rounds in spec watching players - and sometimes... nothing. The guy is clean and not doing anything wrong aside from the one team-wound earlier.
If we don't see it happen, we can't make the call. Screenshots help - reports help. I write down names on paper and refer to it when I spec the players.
If there's a case where I read in chat a name being called out a few times for "intentional" team-wounding but I did not witness it - I will turn on Kick Polls, start the poll myself and let the community decide the player's fate.
This is warfare, shit happens, combat is messy - get over it.
If you revenge tk or.... "get even" (don't be a smartass birds :P ) you only take the risk of being removed yourself. Sometimes the admin will just remove both if he's not sure who "started it". We aren't detectives - play nice and don't create a doubt in our minds.
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I would just like to say.. I think the system is effed... with the "Revenge Tking system." If I am shot in the back, from an allied archer, and no appology is given, I don't see the problem in me, Hitting them in the back, No appology. Why should I have to take there shit, and if an admin doesn't do nothen about it, why can't I do somthing? Doesn't make sense. The reason I bring this up, Is becuase I was fighting Nindurr_ATS in the 80 man Battle server, and it was 1v1, and I proceed to get shot, in the back, by my allied archer. I then get slashed in the face and killed. Thankyou archer. Here's what really pissed me off, I typed in team chat, so the BlackRose guy could hear it, "Can You appologize for shooting me in the back and getting me killed?" No reply. I was raging. So I typed in all chat, I'm going to Hit every archer in the back that hits me, no appology. I don't see the problem in that, I can "accidently" hit you too. That is all....
Pharaoh.
If that's your girlfriend on your avatar, WHAT THE F*** are you doing on this forum?! Damn youngsters are wasting time on games these days... You can play all you want when you are married.
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Games should be banned and all people who play them made to run around in the street.
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Players are not required to apologize, it is considered good conduct to do so, and if you dont apologize chances are, you either didn't realize you did it, or you dont care. If someone teamwounds you or teamkills you intentionally, you report it in public chat and an admin will deal with it. You have no god given right to get revenge on the player in question. If you can't deal with the fact that accidently team fire happens sometime, you need to stop playing video games.
I don't understand the point of this topic, the rules are clear, someone should just close this.
GET REAL!
I REPORT INTENTIOAL TK'S IN VENT WITH ADMINS ON AND PEOPLE IGNORE ME
I have given on up telling anyone b/c not once out of the like 30 times I said anything has anyone even been given a pink warning let alone a kick a more. The times I was not ignored in chat or in vent the admin said I didn't see it it didn't happen. Why an admin could not push "L" and read i don't know. Or like the few times I was balantly killed in spawn before I even moved and the guy that overheaded me 2-3 times without me moving says sry. I report it and an ATS admin goes it was accident he said sry. It's so fucking easy to get away with murder.
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I remember once when I was an archer I was shooting someone to the far right of my teammate in siege, but there was an enemy crossbowman behind us who shot my teammate. Said teammate then turned around and killed me in the face while I was pointing my bow at the door checking to see if it broke already. Did I get an apology? No. Do I come to the conclusion that I now need to shoot in every melee fight to 'prove a point?' No that's silly, stop being silly.
No one will think you're being Just if you turn around and attack someone who accidentally shot you, almost everyone will come to the conclusion however that you're an enormous asshole. Are you Jason_the_Great or something? Am I being trolled? Wait, don't answer that. This is the cRPG forums, of course I'm being trolled.
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I typed in team chat, so the BlackRose guy could hear it, "Can You appologize for shooting me in the back and getting me killed?" No reply.
I don't think live players can see the text of dead players even in team chat.
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OH MY GOD I GOT TEAM ATTACKED
LETS CHASE THE GUY DOWN AND TURN THE SERVER INTO A FUCKFEST BECAUSE I WANT TO CARRY OUT MY E-VENGEANCE
just qq about kids being bad on vent like I do you whiny vaginas
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I think this adds to the point that teamwounding needs consequences.
Soldat_Alroth and Plutos are prime examples
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198023754414/screenshots/
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Not going to say too much in a public forum like this, but I'm rather disappointed to see you advocating revenge teamhitting. That sort of behavior is not considered acceptable for members of Chaos, as it is clearly delineated as being against the rules. I'm glad to hear that you didn't follow up on your impulses, however.
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Hey guys, in an effort to stop Teamkilling, I will start teamkilling all my team, like that my team won't be able to teamkill since they're dead!