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Title: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Black_Winged_One on October 06, 2012, 10:32:23 pm
If so, what's the point of them?
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Torben on October 06, 2012, 10:34:04 pm
they do turn your bows damage into pierce instead of cut,  which works against armor more.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Tennenoth on October 06, 2012, 10:35:42 pm
Arrows add damage and dictate the type of damage they do.

So, Bodkins will deal pierce damage, but add no extra damage to the bow. So, what Torben said.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Haboe on October 06, 2012, 10:37:41 pm
Let me also explain it and repeat exactly what torben says.

They do turn your bows damage into pierce instead of cut,  which works against armor more.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Torben on October 06, 2012, 10:40:14 pm
you are good sports indeed,   I for one will +1 anyone who proceeds in clarifying this!
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 06, 2012, 10:43:11 pm
They do turn your bows damage into pierce instead of cut,  which works against armor more.

1+ me please.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Tzar on October 06, 2012, 10:43:30 pm
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Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 06, 2012, 10:44:39 pm
Essentially, the ammunition type changes your output damage to whatever damage type the ammunition is, regardless of what the bow damage type is, thus Cut arrows will deal cut damage while Pierce arrows (as in Bodkins) will deal pierce damage which is far superior to opponents or targets with a great deal of armor, so yes indeed Bodkin arrows reward zero additional damage and are thus worse against light armored targets while being much more deadly against heavily armored targets.

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Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Torben on October 06, 2012, 10:52:43 pm
seaky ^^


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Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 06, 2012, 10:56:28 pm
seaky ^^


I thought so ^^

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Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Miwiw on October 06, 2012, 10:59:22 pm
Bodkin Arrows were invented by Mr. Bodkin. He lived during the Middle Ages and was a woodworker. Sometimes he went through the woods and laughed about the bears there.
Those bears had simple bows and used sticks as arrows. Those arrows obviously didn't really work against the bees. Too well equipped those bees didn't care about the sticks hitting their beehive. Peeing down, the bees could watch the dumb bears and make jokes about them.
One day the bears noticed Mr. Bodkin behind a bush who was heavily laughing. He laughed for hours and finally went blue and brown. The bears never ate meat so they thought about a solution to get rid of that blue-brown thingie on the ground. Finally the Elder of the bears found a solution and poked the corpse with one of the arrow sticks.
With a lot of strength the stick got stuck in the rotting meat and broken bones. The strongest of the bear warriors picked the arrow up and drew the bow. It took a while until he found out how to use the stick with the corpse at the end. He drew the bow for hours and finally loosed it, taking aim at the beehive.
The bees looked at it, shocked. They already knew about Mr. Bodkin. Important to know is that Mr. Bodkin was full of scars, with lots of pointy ends - those could damage the beehive heavily and end the Kingdom of bees. The bee queen asked for her queensguard and sent out her best riders to charge down and attack the bears.
The battle took for hours but suddenly the loosened arrow with the bodkinhead ended up in the beehive, destroying the home of the bees. The explosion and penetration was that high and heavy, that the woods burned. Life in the woods ended, but at the end of the day, the Bodkin arrows were invented.

Bodkin arrows do cause more damage to heavy armor, less to light gear. So if you face someone in plate, better use bodkin arrows. For any other kind of armor, tatar and barbed arrows are the better choice.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Haboe on October 06, 2012, 11:04:38 pm
Bodkin Arrows were invented by Mr. Bodkin. He lived during the Middle Ages and was a woodworker. Sometimes he went through the woods and laughed about the bears there.
Those bears had simple bows and used sticks as arrows. Those arrows obviously didn't really work against the bees. Too well equipped those bees didn't care about the sticks hitting their beehive. Peeing down, the bees could watch the dumb bears and make jokes about them.
One day the bears noticed Mr. Bodkin behind a bush who was heavily laughing. He laughed for hours and finally went blue and brown. The bears never ate meat so they thought about a solution to get rid of that blue-brown thingie on the ground. Finally the Elder of the bears found a solution and poked the corpse with one of the arrow sticks.
With a lot of strength the stick got stuck in the rotting meat and broken bones. The strongest of the bear warriors picked the arrow up and drew the bow. It took a while until he found out how to use the stick with the corpse at the end. He drew the bow for hours and finally loosed it, taking aim at the beehive.
The bees looked at it, shocked. They already knew about Mr. Bodkin. Important to know is that Mr. Bodkin was full of scars, with lots of pointy ends - those could damage the beehive heavily and end the Kingdom of bees. The bee queen asked for her queensguard and sent out her best riders to charge down and attack the bears.
The battle took for hours but suddenly the loosened arrow with the bodkinhead ended up in the beehive, destroying the home of the bees. The explosion and penetration was that high and heavy, that the woods burned. Life in the woods ended, but at the end of the day, the Bodkin arrows were invented.

Bodkin arrows do cause more damage to heavy armor, less to light gear. So if you face someone in plate, better use bodkin arrows. For any other kind of armor, tatar and barbed arrows are the better choice.

Too much effort has been spend in this.
Thats not how you do this, you must still be a renown virgin, most of these guys are Pro renownwhores, carefull not to catch an RTD1 while interacting with them.

*1 Renown transmitted disease
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Miwiw on October 06, 2012, 11:07:09 pm
Thats the introduction of my new book.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Haboe on October 06, 2012, 11:08:35 pm
Thats the introduction of my new book.

Thats more like it. +1
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 06, 2012, 11:13:32 pm
Real renown whores make some thread in the off topic section ('cuss mods are less likely to move something from off topic to spam), then, they all post, and they all 1+ each other, then they all post again, and 1+ each other, then, they all post again...
...and that's how kings are crowned...
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Fartface on October 06, 2012, 11:30:45 pm
+1ed evryone in this thread congrtz.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Haboe on October 06, 2012, 11:36:14 pm
+1ed evryone in this thread congrtz.

Obvious renown whoring... Burn him  8-)

Zlish you hurt me feelings :O
Ah well, he who requests to burn someone should be willing to dance in the flames himself.
ToD must think im a pretty good dancer...
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: F i n on October 07, 2012, 12:58:56 am
Bodkin Arrows were invented by Mr. Bodkin. He lived during the Middle Ages and was a woodworker. Sometimes he went through the woods and laughed about the bears there.
Those bears had simple bows and used sticks as arrows. Those arrows obviously didn't really work against the bees. Too well equipped those bees didn't care about the sticks hitting their beehive. Peeing down, the bees could watch the dumb bears and make jokes about them.
One day the bears noticed Mr. Bodkin behind a bush who was heavily laughing. He laughed for hours and finally went blue and brown. The bears never ate meat so they thought about a solution to get rid of that blue-brown thingie on the ground. Finally the Elder of the bears found a solution and poked the corpse with one of the arrow sticks.
With a lot of strength the stick got stuck in the rotting meat and broken bones. The strongest of the bear warriors picked the arrow up and drew the bow. It took a while until he found out how to use the stick with the corpse at the end. He drew the bow for hours and finally loosed it, taking aim at the beehive.
The bees looked at it, shocked. They already knew about Mr. Bodkin. Important to know is that Mr. Bodkin was full of scars, with lots of pointy ends - those could damage the beehive heavily and end the Kingdom of bees. The bee queen asked for her queensguard and sent out her best riders to charge down and attack the bears.
The battle took for hours but suddenly the loosened arrow with the bodkinhead ended up in the beehive, destroying the home of the bees. The explosion and penetration was that high and heavy, that the woods burned. Life in the woods ended, but at the end of the day, the Bodkin arrows were invented.

Bodkin arrows do cause more damage to heavy armor, less to light gear. So if you face someone in plate, better use bodkin arrows. For any other kind of armor, tatar and barbed arrows are the better choice.

You Sir, just made my day.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: karasu on October 07, 2012, 01:21:51 am
Bodkin Arrows were invented by Mr. Bodkin. He lived during the Middle Ages and was a woodworker. Sometimes he went through the woods and laughed about the bears there.
Those bears had simple bows and used sticks as arrows. Those arrows obviously didn't really work against the bees. Too well equipped those bees didn't care about the sticks hitting their beehive. Peeing down, the bees could watch the dumb bears and make jokes about them.
One day the bears noticed Mr. Bodkin behind a bush who was heavily laughing. He laughed for hours and finally went blue and brown. The bears never ate meat so they thought about a solution to get rid of that blue-brown thingie on the ground. Finally the Elder of the bears found a solution and poked the corpse with one of the arrow sticks.
With a lot of strength the stick got stuck in the rotting meat and broken bones. The strongest of the bear warriors picked the arrow up and drew the bow. It took a while until he found out how to use the stick with the corpse at the end. He drew the bow for hours and finally loosed it, taking aim at the beehive.
The bees looked at it, shocked. They already knew about Mr. Bodkin. Important to know is that Mr. Bodkin was full of scars, with lots of pointy ends - those could damage the beehive heavily and end the Kingdom of bees. The bee queen asked for her queensguard and sent out her best riders to charge down and attack the bears.
The battle took for hours but suddenly the loosened arrow with the bodkinhead ended up in the beehive, destroying the home of the bees. The explosion and penetration was that high and heavy, that the woods burned. Life in the woods ended, but at the end of the day, the Bodkin arrows were invented.

Bodkin arrows do cause more damage to heavy armor, less to light gear. So if you face someone in plate, better use bodkin arrows. For any other kind of armor, tatar and barbed arrows are the better choice.

Thank the heavens I've read this while being a bit high, otherwise would look like some work of fiction. ¯\(°_o)/¯

ps: I freakin' love your avatar.

ps2: It's like he/she says, bodkins change the type of damage to pierce, which is very effective against high armored targets.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: isatis on October 07, 2012, 01:31:18 am
Hi I'm new renown whore!

please +1 me so I can be like my idol : Tears

Nerf archer, nerf cav, nerf shield, nerf 2h stab, nerf polestun (yes duh still exist duh) nerf xbow, nerf throwing, nerf 1h no shield, nerf head armor, nerf armor, nerf if, nerf str, nerf agi, nerf HX, nerf HA and be sure to nerf everything else who kill me!

did I do it right?

edit : i even +1 everybody here to be even more renown kind!

Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Aderyn on October 07, 2012, 01:45:57 am
bodkins are way superior since you often shoot people with some kind of armor.

damagetypes are like this

piece > blunt > cut

the only problem with them is that they break all the time and are costly as f***.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: F i n on October 07, 2012, 01:49:15 am
bodkins are way superior since you often shoot people with some kind of armor.

damagetypes are like this

piece > blunt > cut

the only problem with them is that they break all the time and are costly as f***.

which is not a problem but the only thing that makes us non archers a bit less full of hate. :)
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Aderyn on October 07, 2012, 01:51:03 am
which is not a problem but the only thing that makes us non archers a bit less full of hate. :)

well sure, just figured i'd let the new guy know =)
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: F i n on October 07, 2012, 01:54:24 am
well sure, just figured i'd let the new guy know =)

Ok then. Maybe he sees reason and stops thinking about becoming a plague :). no offence.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Torben on October 07, 2012, 01:55:14 am
vs unarmored horses,  tatars are quite nice.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Lordark on October 07, 2012, 02:37:48 am
buff all non bodkin arrowsplz
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Sarpton on October 07, 2012, 03:06:42 am
Also read this http://forum.meleegaming.com/beginner's-help-and-guides/tears-of-destiny's-general-guide-for-new-players/ .

All of it, it will save you much time and grief.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 07, 2012, 03:41:59 am
Essentially, the ammunition type changes your output damage to whatever damage type the ammunition is, regardless of what the bow damage type is, thus Cut arrows will deal cut damage while Pierce arrows (as in Bodkins) will deal pierce damage which is far superior to opponents or targets with a great deal of armor, so yes indeed Bodkin arrows reward zero additional damage and are thus worse against light armored targets while being much more deadly against heavily armored targets.

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This explains it pretty much
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: dodnet on October 07, 2012, 09:17:30 am
Bodkin Arrows were invented by Mr. Bodkin. He lived during the Middle Ages and was a woodworker. Sometimes he went through the woods and laughed about the bears there.
Those bears had simple bows and used sticks as arrows. Those arrows obviously didn't really work against the bees. Too well equipped those bees didn't care about the sticks hitting their beehive. Peeing down, the bees could watch the dumb bears and make jokes about them.
One day the bears noticed Mr. Bodkin behind a bush who was heavily laughing. He laughed for hours and finally went blue and brown. The bears never ate meat so they thought about a solution to get rid of that blue-brown thingie on the ground. Finally the Elder of the bears found a solution and poked the corpse with one of the arrow sticks.
With a lot of strength the stick got stuck in the rotting meat and broken bones. The strongest of the bear warriors picked the arrow up and drew the bow. It took a while until he found out how to use the stick with the corpse at the end. He drew the bow for hours and finally loosed it, taking aim at the beehive.
The bees looked at it, shocked. They already knew about Mr. Bodkin. Important to know is that Mr. Bodkin was full of scars, with lots of pointy ends - those could damage the beehive heavily and end the Kingdom of bees. The bee queen asked for her queensguard and sent out her best riders to charge down and attack the bears.
The battle took for hours but suddenly the loosened arrow with the bodkinhead ended up in the beehive, destroying the home of the bees. The explosion and penetration was that high and heavy, that the woods burned. Life in the woods ended, but at the end of the day, the Bodkin arrows were invented.

Bodkin arrows do cause more damage to heavy armor, less to light gear. So if you face someone in plate, better use bodkin arrows. For any other kind of armor, tatar and barbed arrows are the better choice.

Well I always wondered whats behind the story of the birds and the bees. Is that part of your book? Also bodkins deal pierce damage instead of cut!
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Haboe on October 07, 2012, 10:30:47 am
Hi I'm new renown whore!

please +1 me so I can be like my idol : Tears

Nerf archer, nerf cav, nerf shield, nerf 2h stab, nerf polestun (yes duh still exist duh) nerf xbow, nerf throwing, nerf 1h no shield, nerf head armor, nerf armor, nerf if, nerf str, nerf agi, nerf HX, nerf HA and be sure to nerf everything else who kill me!

did I do it right?

edit : i even +1 everybody here to be even more renown kind!

You forgot about nerf blocking, but good renown post. +1
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Riddaren on October 07, 2012, 12:06:59 pm
I don't see a reaso not to use bodkin arrows unless:

- You want less upkeep
- You like the looks of some other arrows better

Is there any good archer who performs better in general with some other arrows than the bodkins?
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: _Sebastian_ on October 07, 2012, 12:57:20 pm
Dozens of people are saying almost the same and the thread is full.
haa...

I think there is no point to say it again.  :wink:
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Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Miwiw on October 07, 2012, 01:40:21 pm
Well I always wondered whats behind the story of the birds and the bees. Is that part of your book? Also bodkins deal pierce damage instead of cut!

What?!

Who would write a story about birds! They got nothing to do with bees!!!  :?
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Riddaren on October 07, 2012, 09:07:40 pm
ROBINHOOD, Shokoshugi_Tiborur, Templar_Steeve and some others all use tatar arrows and do very well.

Merc_Arrowblood used to use barbed arrows and topped scores with long bow.

I don't know if its attributed to their builds, but they are usually very noticable on the server, performance wise.

Ok, thanks. I'm obviously not paying much attention to what arrows players use.
Looking forward to see if it's actually true... I've played with ROBINHOOD a lot and he is a good archer for sure.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Arrowblood on October 07, 2012, 09:19:18 pm
Rusbows do not count cos every rusbow is a:
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Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Riddaren on October 07, 2012, 09:54:31 pm
Rusbows do not count cos every rusbow is a:
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Rus bow gets it's stats modified in the next balance patch.
What's your build Deutschritter? I have heard you are quite strong.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Black_Winged_One on October 07, 2012, 10:57:53 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if the Rus bow gets it's stats modified in the next balance patch.
What's your build Deutschritter? I have heard you are quite strong.

What's wrong with Rusbows?
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Riddaren on October 07, 2012, 11:12:33 pm
What's wrong with Rusbows?

Nothing and that is the actual problem. Most players find the Rus bow superior to the long bow.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Black_Winged_One on October 07, 2012, 11:15:20 pm
Nothing and that is the actual problem. Most players find the Rus bow superior to the long bow.

I figured that's what you meant, but why do they think it's better?
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Arrowblood on October 07, 2012, 11:30:40 pm
Use 1 day a mw rusbow from your clan armoury. Then the next day use a longbow. And tell me what better was.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Adamar on October 08, 2012, 12:10:24 am
I suggest that bodkin arrows start with 1 damage point.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 08, 2012, 12:12:49 am
Masterwork Bow best bow.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: isatis on October 08, 2012, 03:40:08 am
nerf blocking

also, barbed arrow best arrow

and mw short bow, best bow :P
no I don't own one...


Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: bagge on October 08, 2012, 09:37:44 pm
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Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Uumdi on October 08, 2012, 09:44:16 pm
Oh btw they change the bow damage to pierce instead of cut
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Haboe on October 08, 2012, 11:00:45 pm
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The more i look to this gif the more i feel sorry for the guy on it...  :(
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: BlindGuy on October 08, 2012, 11:15:48 pm
Basically Bodkins are OP and make tincans cry, and regular arrows are tiddly and tickle ppl. Renown now pls kthanks.


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Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Arrowblood on October 08, 2012, 11:17:17 pm
Basically Bodkins are OP and make tincans cry, and regular arrows are tiddly and tickle ppl. Renown now pls kthanks.


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here take it
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: BlindGuy on October 09, 2012, 03:12:07 pm
here take it

Thanks, yours is in the mail.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Fips on October 09, 2012, 03:34:38 pm
Don't underestimate the power of Masterwork Arrows!
I've been using them alot lately and i'm not doing that much worse. Yeah, you kinda have to concentrate on peasants and try to avoid tincans or just shoot heads overall, but if you're not a complete noob and you hit on a regular basis, i think having 54 arrows with 2 stacks is pretty neat. And i'm only using a mw horn bow with those.
Plus, for slowass tincans i got my piercy little sickle beating the shit out of them. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: POOPHAMMER on October 09, 2012, 03:54:57 pm
this topic is great

but in all seriousness, bodkin arrows will change your bow damage from cut, to pierce which helps take out heavily armored targets better than other arrows, which deal cut damage instead of pierce which is not as effective against bodkin arrows as they deal pierce damage instead of cut like all other arrows, allowing you to take down heavily armored players faster than normal arrows, because they do cut instead of pierce

hope that clears it up
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Haboe on October 09, 2012, 04:18:16 pm
arrows, which deal cut damage instead of pierce which is not as effective against bodkin arrows

Wait wut?

So you can't shoot down a bodkin arrow with a normal arrow?  :shock:
The tell me sir, what arrow is effective against bodkin arrows?
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Turkhammer on October 09, 2012, 06:28:40 pm
Real renown whores make some thread in the off topic section ('cuss mods are less likely to move something from off topic to spam), then, they all post, and they all 1+ each other, then they all post again, and 1+ each other, then, they all post again...
...and that's how kings are crowned...

-1 for using 'cuss, very gaylike.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Turkhammer on October 09, 2012, 06:30:11 pm
The real question is can you switch between the two types while playing if you have two quivers?
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Haboe on October 09, 2012, 06:45:01 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/option-to-switch-between-arrows-(tatar-bodkin)/

No
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Leesin on October 09, 2012, 09:08:35 pm
Basically, just use Tatar Arrows at most, the only time Bodkin arrows have a barely noticeable advantage is against the real heavy armoured guys, other than that it just felt like a waste of gold and you also get less arrows. Well, that's all IMO of course.
Title: Re: Do Bodkin arrows actually give 0 damage?
Post by: Kirbyy on October 11, 2012, 02:22:08 am
They should add melee with arrows and/or bows.  That'd be sweet.