As before, you have my sword.
We are going to turn your place into a nice Sno-Cone stand.
Not if we can help it! Like the Russians, we are burning our valuable resources: the snow you would have used for the Sno-Cones is all melted. Now that our town is no longer covered in snow, it seems we're not in your claim...
let this clan of decent folk have 1 fief before power gaming sperglord clans demanding 30 fiefs when they will only use 3 make crpg/strategus even less popular than it already is by being an insular gen 30 circle jerk+1. These guys seems like fun guys. Let them be!
shame on u all
Nope you're right at the tip of our head.
Let me refer you to exhibit A:
Once you get closer, it will simply say "Ismirala".
I've been doing my best to have Remnant/chaos give them my fief of Yalibe, but it seems Chaos didn't like that idea and decided they wanted it for themselves.
I've been doing my best to have Remnant/chaos give them my fief of Yalibe, but it seems Chaos didn't like that idea and decided they wanted it for themselves.
The truth of the matter is that I tend to take what you say with a grain of salt.
I see. Well, nice to see that not only our Kindness we displayed to BRD in not signing up for AI defense (Which would have left the castle uncontested) and our continued kindness in negotiations is being taken for granted and BRD is now supplying someone we simply want out of our territory.
Noone gave us shit, all our stuff is from killing scrubs that attacked us before you. And you weren't even nice enough to give us any stuff from this battle so we are kinda sad about that.
Of course not, but I'm pretty sure no other clans besides BRD would be able to muster up those Nice Nomad Bows this early in the game and all that other +0 gear. Don't worry, you'll be evicted soon enough. We offered to find you a new home, but it's fine. We underestimated you the first time, don't worry, we'll getcha the next time around.
Of course not, but I'm pretty sure no other clans besides BRD would be able to muster up those Nice Nomad Bows this early in the game and all that other +0 gear. Don't worry, you'll be evicted soon enough. We offered to find you a new home, but it's fine. We underestimated you the first time, don't worry, we'll getcha the next time around.
I see. Well, nice to see that not only our Kindness we displayed to BRD in not signing up for AI defense (Which would have left the castle uncontested) and our continued kindness in negotiations is being taken for granted and BRD is now supplying someone we simply want out of our territory.
Ismirala has turned into Stalingrad, and Tanken has turned into einstein.
They could always spend the fiefs production points on that stuff. 4k is actually enough gold to get a bunch of decent weapons.(about....30-60 maybe 70 if you do lots of cheap low tier stuff)
In fairness to einstein, einstein actually managed to, you know, conquer stuff.
But it's a village, and a village would have only about 5 points of PP at this time, am I right?
GG nerd godz
BRD gets an apology now right? Had nothing to do with giving gear. No reason to give them any really. it is to early in strat to be handing anything out when everyone is still trying to get established
FCC players are all encouraged to sign up for whoever they want whenever they want for whatever reasons they want. Leadership is not going to pressure members into signing up for any faction but FCC and will not pressure members not to sign up against any faction other than FCC.
All factions and independents who find themselves in a battle are more than welcome to solicit any member of FCC to partake in their battle.
I realize that many factions are likely to take it personal if they see FCC players sign up against them but we just don't care. We are determined to have as much fun as we can in this strat and as such will not be imposing restrictions on our players and will instead let them fight in as many battles as they wish to.
It's nice to see new people interested in strategus. It's hilarious to see them resisting KUTT :)
It's easy to resist NOW, much harder later.
It's easy to resist NOW, much harder later.Indeed, careful planning, organization and knowledge of mechanics is what is most beneficial now. Later, when all the big clans get everyone active, you can just rely on numbers churning out troops and gold.
I did.
"Sorry for assuming BRD was helping, though they were the only reason you guys won with their mercs."
Edit: So, like I said, sorry for assuming you were giving the gear. This is because I misunderstood that Villages started with 200 pp (I've only owned Cities, assumed it was similar). If I could make a request I would ask you not to merc for their side as we did not merc against you when taking the castle (That we wanted).
Sorry for the shitty replies, I made myself look like an ass because I thought the AI had purchased it and did not realize the Villages received those points. Take care, and see you soon. If you want our help in finding a different fief and we can come to an agreement, we'll help you. Otherwise we'll continue.
Swords with Friends are dirty traitors! :D
I made a great agreement with them on Steam that they agreed to, where they would merc for us, and we would also relocate them to another nearby fief.
This was AGREED to.
Now SWF has decided they want to back out of the deal they already agreed to, so I guess now we can take the fief anyway and they can relocate on their own. GOOD LUCK DOOD!
They know how to resist, they know how to gain time and do diplomacy in strategus :). Gj guys ofc KUTT will destroy you eventually but still you won't be forgotten i guess
Gain time by lying? Good fellows.
Slow down there; I'm out of town and have limited Internet access. Please allow me to shed some light on the situation.
TL;DR: KUTT is trying to bully a bunch of new players out of territory that was arbitrarily claimed, and we're not about to hand it over to a bunch of pussies who aren't willing to fight. We challenge KUTT to claim it with their swords, if they can. This isn't kindergarten, where you yell, "I call this seat," and it's yours.
So, this all started when I joined KUTT TS with TugBOAT, who promised me "a fief, or help taking one, or something," and I said, "Sure, that sounds great!" Then, the next day, after Hospitaller was done attacking us, I get a message from TugBOAT on Steam saying, "Hey, hand over the fief! Just send one guy to defend." That's when the attack was launched. Not wanting to let my clan down by getting crushed only days into the round, I had accepted the tentative offer (in voice chat), expecting the deal to be finalized formally (in writing, via forum PMs or cRPG messages) at a later date.
Now, in the meantime, SWF is begging everyone it can find to help defend against Redania and Hospitaller, who attacked in quick succession. Fortunately, Redania left us enough weapons to defend against the Hospitaller horde--see the first video for the first of those two battles (in the original post, which has been updated with the two videos Deathawk1 posted). And, more fortunately, we were blessed with more valiant volunteers who were willing to sacrifice everything--even their own lives--defending the principles of liberty and self-governance.
Almost immediately after we are relieved by the victory over the Hospitaller invasion, we are attacked by KUTT--complemented with a friendly message from TugBOAT saying that it was time for us to hand over our fief. Hand it over, without anything in return? Of course not!
Now, as I understand diplomacy in general--in literally every other game I've played, including Civilization, every board game with more than two players, and EVE Online--if you're offering a trade, the one without the power to enforce the exchange receives before giving; i.e., since you are clearly several times larger and thousands of times more experienced, the expectation is that the offer is made, a formal agreement is then made, the new fief is first transferred to us, and then we transfer our fief to you, in that order.
So, we're not accepting the new deal, because KUTT is obviously untrustworthy. If we're going to lose our fief, it's because we fought to the fucking death, not because we were cheated out of it.
I tried to offer you Sumbuja and a great offer and you are still upset.
No, you again offered us the option to surrender, after which, since we have nothing you need, you will ignore us, and we'll be left with nothing. "Fool me once, shame on you," as they say. We will not make the mistake of trusting KUTT twice, and I caution all others to take the same approach. As I wrote above, you cannot expect us to surrender a fief before you give us the other, especially when you're pretty much guaranteed to be able to take ours anyways. We're new to Strategus, but not to strategy; you can bully us, but you can't cheat us.
You're being way too dramatic guy, No one bullied anything. The fief was agreed to be given to us as far as what we knew and we were prepared to help you move fiefs. Anyone here in Strat that knows about this will tell you that 9/10 times, you surrender, we take you under our wing, and help you set up somewhere else. I offered you defense since you are new and offered you Sumbuja as well as continued trade and assistance. Obviously you are new to strategy if you don't realize this is a very generous offer. But guess we get Ismirala soon anyway.
And I would also safely say we are some of the most trustworthy guys after giving away 2 cities, and a castle early on in strat to friends of ours.
That's great. It was a really generous offer. That's why I accepted it the first time. However, the point you seem to be missing is that, in order for us to accept the offer, you need to give us the new fief before we lose the old one. That is how strategy works in literally every game. The underdogs who surrender before accepting their dues are fools.
Like I said, see you soon. The only reason he was under-armed is because you guys lied about your dealings with us. Good game, thanks for playing.
you also came on pissing about BRD funding them. If that was a "deal" then why would you accuse others of funding them?
I think since there was no written agreement, they weren't going to give it up until then.
you guys lied about your dealings with us.
Excuse me? I accepted the tentative offer, and made it very clear to TugBOAT that we would require our new fief before we surrendered our old one. It's not my fault if you guys can't manage to use language to coordinate; the rest of humanity seems to manage to do it somehow. You attacked without warning and before the agreement was finalized, verbally or in writing.
No you didn't. I have our message history saved. You said, and I quote, "Hey can you wait a while for us to transfer the funds out before you attack? If you think we might get attacked soon you can go ahead"
Here in my message history, it looks like you said, "I forge message histories all the time, lol."
Here in my message history, it looks like you said, "I forge message histories all the time, lol."
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And you guys attacked it...what 20 hours later (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=113)
Lets see all the logs. Technically you guys DID attack immediately which they asked YOU not to do.
Unless we think someone may attack them soon, and BRD is aggressively taking fiefs owned by randoms, so we thought someone would attack soon, so we attacked immediately.But that's not in the message you posted.
But that's not in the message you posted.
So basically you admit to attacking them now, disregarding their will, even though you agreed to something just to "stonewall" the opposition. Now you have to fight up a hill instead of walking on a flat land.
Are you fucking illiterate? Seriously? The message says we can attack right away if we think they might be attacked soon by someone else. We thought they might be attacked by someone else.
WE agreed to pay them in gold, and help them get another fief. Now you're going to lose the fief and get nothing. Good job guys
Hmmm and did you communicate that to them? Seems not. So basically You got antsy, BRD was scaring you, so you attacked quickly. They didn't like this, and said "Go to Hell", and now everyone loses except BRD who you were scared of in the beginning. If anything, sounds like you guys screwed up and made all this into a shit storm.
Unless we think someone may attack them soon, and BRD is aggressively taking fiefs owned by randoms, so we thought someone would attack soon, so we attacked immediately.
is it too soon to say Daily NA drama?
I did communicate it, truth is the guy decided to be greedy instead of smart, and fucked up.
Also, we're not going to lose at all. We can take ismirala soooooo easily. it's no trouble at all. Our economic production compared to SWF is laughable. We can recruit more troops faster, get more good equipment.
You should have all the logs as well, ednos. Just open the "Archived" area and they will be there. Prove him wrong if you are true.
You should have all the logs as well, ednos. Just open the "Archived" area and they will be there. Prove him wrong if you are true.
I do have a question for you.
Which do you prefer? Masterwork Pikes or Long Spears?
How the hell Have you kutties manage to escalate this to such flame thread? But good read none the less.
Also swf guys, since the big bad bears are gona kill you, the hour b4 they attack respec all your points and +3 smoke bombs for them.... Little bit of parting gift :)
Masterwork Pikes.
You are seriously a total tool box if you're going to accuse me of editing HTML or whatever the fuck. I don't even know what that fucking means.
Women use tool bags, men use tool boxes.
Why would we go through this much trouble to deface a small group of 3-4 players? I believe Tugboat's picture, and I am pretty sure your inventory of messages was probably doctored, but that's just me. Tugboat for one thing isn't a liar, and no one in KUTT has any need to lie to you.
Let me break this down for you; We desired to take over that fief because it was in our claims and our name, so we reached out to you guys to peacefully set up something to move you somewhere else. At this point, I can say I am sorry we didn't have a clear idea or a fief in hand to just happily pass your way. We were nervous before talking to BRD that they were beginning to march into our territory so due to the message you sent Tugboat we acted quickly which is why we had minimal gear and troops, but we were under the impression you were supposed to hand it over. So that happened, we lost, you gloated like it was some amazing defeat yet you had lied to us.
Fast forward a day.
I offer you Sumbuja, a bunch of other stuff, access to trade routes, and protection afterward and apologize for not knowing more about the negotiations beforehand. Then you begin this whole debacle of chastising us and openly trying to flame us when no one even knows who you are? Our offer was more than generous, we were prepared to make it happen, we had the means to make it happen, and you could have accepted it. Instead, you and your mates decide that you'd rather go out fight--commendable, but stupid. There is no need for shit-talking or calling us liars just because you don't know how Strategus works. We attempted to be diplomatic, take you on as vassels, and give you a really good deal simply to get you out of the snow.
You didn't take it.
That's fine, you're entitled to decline, but really? All the shit-talking and making up stories about HTML editting? I've known Tugboat 8 years, he doesn't even know how to access HTML much less edit it. So that leads me to believe that is a real message.
I do have a question for you.
Which do you prefer? Masterwork Pikes or Long Spears?
Welp, the plan is to show up in style, and it takes a little while to do it this good.
If this is true, I take back everything I said about KUTT(and apologise sincerly for smearing your name so frivolously).
It seems like these guys are giving you a chance, even if those messages aren't doctored and even if those allegations are true. So maybe all of you need to get drunk together or something.
Peace and love to all, yo.
(Yes I am drunk)
To: Tank Burner, TugBoat
From: ednos
Alright, after reading the last few responses in the SWF Strat 4 thread--especially the all-caps one from TugBoat and the lengthy one from Tank Burner--I see that I have gone too far, since you are no longer enjoying the shit-talking. The Diplomacy forum rules post made me think that any in-character talk--down to wild accusations of forged evidence, mischievous intentions, and the like--was appropriate, but clearly this is not how the community treats the forum. I formally apologize, especially to TugBoat for the accusations, and will keep the banter to a stricter in-game context in the future. As soon as I realized I was the only one having fun, the fun fell away.
Please continue to crush us in Faraway Ismirala. I look forward to the battle, and I hope you can forget any hard feelings developed thus far (although I will understand if you get an extra bit of satisfaction from slaying me on the battlefield).
~ednos
This thread, in summary:Beautiful. You should be named Michelangelo_SWF.
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KUTT[/url]--which appears to be the largest clan in both Strategus and the NA Siege Server...
Man, way to KUTT the CHAOS out guys. U sure are PRO at this diplomacy stuff.Shitty puns like that could cause some Havoco.
Shitty puns like that could cause some Havoco.
Someones gonna get devestated
In EU, UIF welcome you))
^^ Its true that The Coalition of Fallen, thier vassals HRE and GK, and Mercs are the biggest land owners Currentlyin strat. Just wanting to point out the fact. *Even if Mercs would claim to be neutral Im pretty sure they are in bed with team Brown.
Wow, it looks like SWF have really Fallen on their faces here and Burned a lot of Bridges for this round of strategus with their Cavalier attitude towards diplomacy. The Tundra Knights offered to Kutt them a deal; A new fief and the Hospitallity of a powerful faction but they instead chose the Chaos of war. Reputation means everything in Strategus and is far more important than a single fief. When the war is over SWF will be lucky if they can pick up the Remnants of their resources and live a timid life Amongst the Shadows. The little guy doesn't get to demand things.
In the end it is just a game and having fun means we are all Fat Knights.
Well played, they made the fief almost entirely useless so hats off to them lol.
Anyone who wants to buy Practice Daggers or Wooden Sticks +3 let me know!
Well played, they made the fief almost entirely useless so hats off to them lol.