visitors can't see pics , please register or loginworst post i've ever seen and definetly a +1 to the suggestion.
I don't think couching is easy mode.
I don't think the sky is blue.
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It does the most damage in the game (I'm assuming, maybe arbalest head shots would do more), and in most cases is a one hit killer, but that doesn't make it easy mode. It's much harder to hit someone with my couched lance than with a thrust (aiming-wise) as you have to telegraph that you are couching, whereas I can thrust a lot later, and a lot closer to my target. It's very slow to try and move the lance from one side of the horse to the other, and if someone jumps directly into the head of your horse, I don't think I've ever been able to move my lance to hit them (it teleports to the other side of the horse's head).
Anyone who's aware of it, is able to get out of the way of a couched lance 99% of the time. I like to use it versus heavily armored people who are engaged (or at least attempt to use it on someone who is aware of me, and down blocking so I can't thrust and hit them).
Saying couching is easy mode, is just the same as saying blocking down is easy mode versus cav. It's way oversimplifying.
Opened a thread suggesting trading couch for old lance angle. I imagine it helping cav vs cav whilst not buffing lancers Vs inf, concidering all the couching these days
This 100%
Anyone who disagrees just wants to continue using their unblockable X attack with a heavy lance.
I don't think the sky is blue.
Urist was making couches chamberable, which I feel would work well enough for couch-nerfing, so I will refrain from voting until I see if that pans out.
You can already chamber a couch, atealst with 1h+shield.Nope, it's been taken out off crpg somewhat recently.
In all seriousness though, 100% agreed, Heavy lance, Light lance and Normal Lance should receive a slight damage buff though, take away their ability to couch you need to add something to balance it back out.Nope, these weapons are strong enough without having a crushthrough attack.
I don't think the sky is blue.Actually the sky is not blue.
Actually the sky is not blue.Any halfdecent cav with more than 1wpf in polearm and a heavy lance can bump-lance...
Edit: I do not think that couching should be removed because a person can just run around holding down block and he would be secure against cav (of course he hast to look at the cav and downblock).
Actually the sky is not blue.
Edit: I do not think that couching should be removed because a person can just run around holding down block and he would be secure against cav (of course he hast to look at the cav and downblock).
Nope, these weapons are strong enough without having a crushthrough attack.
You forgot the bump damage and the bumpstabbing. Effectively locking me down in a downblock animation until I die via bump damage or bumpstabs because I can't reach him with his huge ass lance.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
TBH i allways wondered all the way back to native why the heavy lances had a couch ability in the first place since i find it a bit overkill :lol:
To keep this in perspective, I never 1 hit someone with my thrust on my +3 courser riding at full speed, unless they are very weak (low str character) or they aren't wearing a helmet and I hit them in the head. People can complain about the damage cavalry does, but two points:
1) Damage output goes both ways, if I'm riding fast, I take a lot more damage as well.
2) I am riding the fastest horse in the game, and thrusting a weapon that is putting that speed, as well as my weight (and the horses) behind it. That's a hell of a lot of weight behind that tiny little point that is piercing you. It is going to do a lot of damage.
I don't think couching is easy mode, or press x to win mode. The only time it works is against unaware/engaged infantry, or people who are slow and heavily armored (and would otherwise just be able to sit in and open field and down block me until the ends of time).
This has been suggested many times and it has always get over 9000 minuses, when bjord_de_gay suggest it, it gets over 9000 + . da faq
This has been suggested many times and it has always get over 9000 minuses, when bjord_de_gay suggest it, it gets over 9000 + . da faqIt is because there is another thread about bringing old lance angle back so cav. do not minused him to not look biased :mrgreen:
This really looks good on paper, but I think it would have horrible consequences.
I think nobody wants a surge of jousting lance 9/33 cavalry, but that is what is going to happen if regular lances become unable to couch. That kind of build is already too effective given it's small upkeep (for cav).
Regular lances losing couch attack means jousting lances will be more popular, and with a couch-only lance you don't care at all about strenght, which lets you get 11 or even 12 riding.
9/33 jousting lance cav would in no way be more powerful than the omnipotent heavy lance cav. What is the use of 11 or 12 riding if you'll have to use it to ride in circles while you wait for the 20 second cooldown after you hit something.
I doubt anyone would even go jousting lance cav, but if a few do, hurray more variety on the battlefield. I remember everytime I played with a heavy lance I barely ever used couching. Another example is Schmacko, top notch cav player who always tops the scoreboard, but never couches. Heavy lance is strong enough without it. Pure couch is not that strong.
Again, even on my 12/24 couch build, I do way better with a heavy lance, with which I never couch, than with a great lance.
People keep forgetting that couching only works on level ground. Anything that slows down the horse, like sloped terrain, will cancel the couch.
Hop on the small hill and couching cav will have to pull out a swinging weapon.
Overall, +1 to suggestion.
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This makes lancers the ONLY melee enemy that Teeth cannot get a sneaky hit on with the ghost reach on rightswing.
This OP was, very basically: Scissors claiming that rock is OP.
Original Poster was Bjord I'm p-sure.
This way 1hander cannot hit back without being lanced. This makes lancers the ONLY melee enemy that Teeth cannot get a sneaky hit on with the ghost reach on rightswing.1h right swing ain't got ghostreach you just suck and GTeethX didn't make the thread, and GTeethX ragerespec'd to polearmer and he never used first person so he wasn't even a proper 1h god like that one American guy.
This OP was, very basically: Scissors claiming that rock is OP.
Remove couch from all non joustingg lances, increase great lance length to outreach heavy lance thrust.
Done.
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Definitely, the heavy lance is by far superior to these couch only lances, removing the couch from the heavy lance would be a fit nerf for cav and it would fix the internal lance balance. If you want to couch, use a couch lance. Heavy lance has it all right now which is unfair. It's like a greatsword having crushthrough as well as being awesome at everything else. Anyone who disagrees with this must be cav and a heavy lance crutcher. We would get some nice cav specialization.
I also think the cooldown, which is like 20-30 seconds after a couch hit should be reduced, you spend most of your round running circles waiting for your couch to come back. I have a couch specific build, 12/24 and still I do about twice as good with a heavy lance compared to a great lance.
Balancing the game by removing options is not going to make the game more fun. That is for sure.
Individual player skill will will become less important for every such nerf, no matter the class.
You can nerf the damage done to 1. It's still a far better option than removing it.
Just make it so you can chamber couched lances.
As far as I knew, you could...that WAS the only way to counter them (besides it breaking your shield, dodging the lance, or taking it like a champ).
What Bjord said in his original post^^....
Or at least make couched lances chamberblockable. Wouldn't be a huge nerf but would give melee players at least a fucking CHANCE of surving it.
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Then remove stab for all 2H weapons above 100 length.
:shock: What...i don't even... :shock:
Apparently cav think 2h stab is more powerfull then their x key 1 hit lol keyIt is.
It is.
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Wut ? Does that mean there are still people here who do not know that cav has been implemented so people with down syndrome can win in this game too ?
Apparently cav think 2h stab is more powerfull then their x key 1 hit lol key
It is.Using only 2h stab is a lot easier than using only couch.
Using only 2h stab is a lot easier than using only couch.