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Title: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: isatis on August 29, 2012, 07:39:27 pm
SOOO

we all want those archer jerks be a little less more effective?? but how??

Archer say : use a shield nub!
but a shield protect only his bearer and even then... two archer fuck any shielder if the archers are a little better then a headlesss chicken!
archer : use lot more shield nuuuuuuuubbbbb QFW (shield wall)


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BUT now our shieldwall look like a stupid mob of mindless hero!

like that : team blue has good shield wall, team red is horrible and a bunch of archer would kill them!

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so how can we possibely fight those archer!

simple, it's already suggested MANY time but all we need is :

A command to walk at the same speed (0ath 3 agi for ref)

making TRUE shield wall will now work much more easily!

we need that implement!

please!

Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 29, 2012, 08:09:09 pm
Yeah being able to toggle a command to walk at the same speed would help formations/teamwork immensely. 
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on August 29, 2012, 09:18:30 pm
Sounds great to me, since this doesn't really buff or nerf anything, just adds an option to walk a different pace. +1
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Dr_Pockets on August 29, 2012, 09:45:08 pm
What if we made the walk button (Shift by default [I think]) make someone walk at a set pace. So even if a tin can without any ath and a ninja can walk at the same speed. 
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 29, 2012, 09:48:50 pm
Walk button for the people! something like CTRL + movement makes you walk? or a button to toggle walking?
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Haboe on August 29, 2012, 09:58:07 pm
Quote from: isatis on August 29, 2012, 07:39:27 pm


Archer say : use a shield nub!
but a shield protect only his bearer and even then... two archer fuck any shielder if the archers are a little better then a headlesss chicken!



Just here to say I hate it when ppl use that argument...

2 archer fuck any shielder...
2 shielders fuck any archer, what you whining about the other way around? On even terms the shield wins, it takes double the amount of archers to kill a shielder.
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 29, 2012, 10:02:25 pm
Quote from: Haboe on August 29, 2012, 09:58:07 pm
Just here to say I hate it when ppl use that argument...

2 archer fuck any shielder...
2 shielders fuck any archer, what you whining about the other way around? On even terms the shield wins, it takes double the amount of archers to kill a shielder.

I can survive 2 archer combo. 9 athl ftw.
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Rebelyell on August 29, 2012, 10:05:36 pm
yep same speed in shielded would be awesome!
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: isatis on August 29, 2012, 10:06:01 pm
hum you are right but what if there is an archer and a two hander

in this two vs two situation well positionned archer should win because shielder can't protect the 2h who will die and then shielder is fucked

you can add another pole guy and they are doomed because archer just retreat jump shoot retreat and will win because shield protect only one direction

so yes it take two archer to kill one shielder but that shielder can't protect other people

and if we add other shielder to form a shieldwall to attack say... an hill

their speed difference will make them creat holes therefore making them useless

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Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Sylfirus on August 30, 2012, 04:43:25 pm
That is a good idea ! 1+ :wink:
Imagine a real strat on EU 1 NEW  :mrgreen: <3 <3
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: [ptx] on August 30, 2012, 04:45:31 pm
Beta client has a walk button.
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Jarlek on August 30, 2012, 10:29:00 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on August 30, 2012, 04:45:31 pm
Beta client has a walk button.
Even better. We have a walk button that you can customize to whatever you want.

Fuck yeah, beta!

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Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: isatis on August 31, 2012, 02:24:04 am
hummm interesting

:D
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Templar_Steevee on September 05, 2012, 10:54:24 pm
It's normal that 2 players of any class can easy kill one guy.
You can dodge arrows, it's not so hard to do, some players are almost impossible to shot when they can see an archer aiming at them.
It's really funny to see ppl raging about archers. I'm playing as an archer because i like it and i just love when ppl rage when i shot them or kill their horses.
it's normal that archers are flanking enemies to kill shielders.
Anyway that's a nice idea until it will give some extra force field defending from missels coming from a siede.
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Zerran on September 05, 2012, 11:10:26 pm
Quote from: Haboe on August 29, 2012, 09:58:07 pm
Just here to say I hate it when ppl use that argument...

2 archer fuck any shielder...
2 shielders fuck any archer, what you whining about the other way around? On even terms the shield wins, it takes double the amount of archers to kill a shielder.

Not correct.

2 archers vs 2 shielders, the archers just have to go in opposite directions (which they almost always do anyway) and shoot at the shielder(s) that run at their buddy (who will have his back turned to them) This is basically what they all do anyway, without guidance, as this tactic requires no real communication or planning.

2 shielders vs 1 archer, unless those are some damn fast shielders with some really high shield skill, the archer can shoot their feet and just keep kiting. He literally has to run out of ammo before he can lose as long as he doesn't do something totally stupid. This is especially true since the shields that are best suited for protecting the user's feet (the tall, thin ones) have been nerfed such that in melee it's really easy to just hit around them, so most people use the round shields.

All that said, I'm not terribly fond of comparing things like this, as there are always exceptions and "what if"s. My real complaints here are #1, shielders don't counter archers any more than a 2H hero, and #2, archer kiting is boring as hell.
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Templar_Steevee on September 05, 2012, 11:21:23 pm
Quote from: Zerran on September 05, 2012, 11:10:26 pm
the archer can shoot their feet and just keep kiting
I'm gen 11 lvl 31 archer all the time and i never shot a shielder to his foot when he was facing me with his shield. I tried to do that many times (about one big caravan of arrows)

I shot only few low level players carrying no reqierment shields but never a true shielder
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Jarlek on September 05, 2012, 11:26:45 pm
Quote from: Zerran on September 05, 2012, 11:10:26 pm
All that said, I'm not terribly fond of comparing things like this, as there are always exceptions and "what if"s. My real complaints here are #1, shielders don't counter archers any more than a 2H hero, and #2, archer kiting is boring as hell.
I disagree. 2h (actually, anyone without a shield) is a better (not equal) counter to archers than a guy with a shield. A shield only protects; to kill them you must attack. Dodging is way more effective then.
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Templar_Steevee on September 06, 2012, 09:14:20 am
Quote from: Zapper on September 05, 2012, 11:26:45 pm
I disagree. 2h (actually, anyone without a shield) is a better (not equal) counter to archers than a guy with a shield. A shield only protects; to kill them you must attack. Dodging is way more effective then.
I totally agree with you. Shielders are good for keeping archers busy but better for killing them are ppl who know how to dodge arrows (and it's not so hard until one archer is aiming at you) and have no shield.
Of course there are lot of running hi ath archers (some of them didn't even have a side weapon) who are unable to catch for most melee. In that way you'll have to ask your teammate ranger or cav to kill him and don't show him your face until you have a shield :wink:
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Achelous on September 06, 2012, 06:47:33 pm
buff archery
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Templar_Steevee on September 10, 2012, 03:41:59 pm
Non strat archery is ok atm, but they should remove jump shots
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Cup1d on September 10, 2012, 04:22:31 pm
Quote from: Templar_Steevee on September 10, 2012, 03:41:59 pm
Non strat archery is ok atm, but they should remove jump shots

non strat archery is almost useless with any low tier bow, any archer build with less than 25 levels, and any nonloomed archer's stuff.

Little reminders:
1. You can be effective as xbower from 15 level
2. You can be effective as 2H from  18-20 level
3. Low tier throwing stuff is quite fun and effective.
4. Low tier melee weapons is devastating in hands of any skilled player. Shortened military scythe, maul, fauchard, even simple dagger for agishielder = great weapons with tiny repairs.

So no, non strat archery is not ok.
Title: Re: Suggestions to less archer power and more fun and awesome easy tactic
Post by: Templar_Steevee on September 10, 2012, 05:54:45 pm
Cup1d all you said is truth and I agree with you. My archery bulit is finished on lvl 29, and on that lvl i can be usefull in battle (I'm using longbow).
Leveling up with an archer is pain in ass, and this class is the most hated one and gets nerf in every single ocassion.
Low tier bows are piece of shi*, IMO they actually can remove all bows below tatar bow, because they are just waste of time.

But if you want to bee deadly you are forced to use 5 and 6 PD bows because they can hurt enemies.
I go for hi lvl because only hi lvl archer can give lots of fun from playing it, I just get annoyed of constantly lvl up to 31 and retire when i started to kill enemies, not only pesants.
Dmg delivered by archers is preety balanced atm except op rus bow (IMO they should make it just a bit slower)

You should compare archery in strat to normal one and you will know what i mean when i say "Non strat archery is ok atm"