cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mala on August 16, 2012, 01:39:07 pm
Title: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Mala on August 16, 2012, 01:39:07 pm
since there were some speculations but no concrete answers i have used my current char generation for a small test if the strength has an effect on your movement speed.
to make it short, there is none.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Wojtek_the_Kurwa_Great on August 16, 2012, 01:44:54 pm
COOL DUDE, NOW TRY WITH DIFFERENT ATHLETICS AND AGILITY.
*Edit: Woosh.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Mala on August 16, 2012, 02:09:17 pm
COOL DUDE, NOW TRY WITH DIFFERENT ATHLETICS AND AGILITY.
already done, somewhere burried in the archive. the result was as expected, ath makes you move faster and armour slows you down a bit, but not that much.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Okkam on August 16, 2012, 02:39:34 pm
Can you test 18\18 and 24\18 chars with same weight of equip?
tbh 24\18 must be faster, if not, than there is place for work for developers.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Mala on August 16, 2012, 03:06:30 pm
i still have room for a 15/21. i try to record and upload it tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: dodnet on August 16, 2012, 03:20:28 pm
I made some tests for myself a few month ago with different builds and noticed that ATH doesn't make such a big difference. My running test was around 25 seconds and the difference was like 1-2 seconds. My main has a 30/9 build with 3 ATH and I'm not so much slower than the rest of the group. Its only noticeable if running for a very long distance or chasing some archer. In a running test of 10 seconds there is most likely no noticable difference. You should run for a longer distance at least.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Mala on August 16, 2012, 04:05:30 pm
in my previous test i have used extremly short ranges with changes in direction . there you could "feel" the weight a bit, but the difference between light and heavy was still not that big.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Rantrex on August 16, 2012, 04:21:46 pm
Any test can show what player feel while playing on battle with all these cavs, archers and Inf-variation around.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on August 16, 2012, 04:26:14 pm
Any test can show what player feel while playing on battle with all these cavs, archers and Inf-variation around.
So you can post relative information, rather than shouting everybody cheats?
Although i prefer higher AGI builds such as 15/21 normally, i have to use an okish weapon rather than rely on pure str to deal the damage, you will find that lower strength players normally know where to hit the player for the most damaged bonus, rather than relying on pure armour and STR crutch.
Yet i would say in melee STR is more useful than AGI, i would use AGI if only really playing crossbowman or archer as your going to use that more than relying on strength
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Macropus on August 16, 2012, 06:40:26 pm
Athletics speed bonus might be not too big if you test it in running straight, but I believe ath also increases your maneuverability which is more noticable if you duel or fight in battle. Also it isn't really supposed to be a very big bonus, just 5% per athletics point.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Shub on August 16, 2012, 07:42:25 pm
dude in mechanics thread tested it and said its 2.2% per point of althetics.
My question is does it increase ACCELERATION starting speed . otherwise it would be pretty useless skill.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Overdriven on August 16, 2012, 07:47:13 pm
I thought ath only increased acceleration and not top speed anyway? So if 2 chars one with more agi and both wear same armour. The difference should only really be noticeable on the acceleration. Unless ath reduces affects of armour weight?
Just read last two posts so yeah I was wrong :P
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Shadowren on August 16, 2012, 07:52:07 pm
I thought ath only increased acceleration and not top speed anyway? So if 2 chars one with more agi and both wear same armour. The difference should only really be noticeable on the acceleration. Unless ath reduces affects of armour weight?
Just read last two posts so yeah I was wrong :P
Strength should reduce armor weight :mrgreen:
Just a thought.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: rAve on August 16, 2012, 08:00:59 pm
agi increases movement speed overall, Ath increases acceleration speed, str counters weight penalty applied by heavy armor i think agi even increases attackspeed
so unless u'r dueling, ath is pretty pointless imo, my main character has none... (cuz i don't duel currently)
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Paul on August 16, 2012, 08:20:37 pm
rAve, please stop posting. You make shit up and present it as fact.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Elindor on August 16, 2012, 09:08:24 pm
I do remember hearing somewhere around the WaltF4 stuff that Athletics increases acceleration more than top speed. Which, to me is important. I definitely notice when I have less athletics.
In any case, OP is about the effects of strength on run speed at different weights. Interesting to see it kinda doesn't.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: rAve on August 16, 2012, 09:59:23 pm
The agi part is true; the strength part was false some days/weeks ago, when (on the website) you could read while pointing your cursor on strenght <<reduces the movement speed penalty caused by weight>> in a tooltip. Now this tooltip is gone.
Devs do know everything but let cRPG players find the truth by themselves :rolleyes:
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: cmp on August 17, 2012, 02:03:29 am
The agi part is true; the strength part was false some days/weeks ago, when (on the website) you could read while pointing your cursor on strenght <<reduces the movement speed penalty caused by weight>> in a tooltip. Now this tooltip is gone.
Just because a tooltip says it doesn't mean it's true.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Smoothrich on August 17, 2012, 02:46:45 am
The agi part is true; the strength part was false some days/weeks ago, when (on the website) you could read while pointing your cursor on strenght <<reduces the movement speed penalty caused by weight>> in a tooltip. Now this tooltip is gone.
Devs do know everything but let cRPG players find the truth by themselves :rolleyes:
That tooltip was some urban legend thing finding its way into the interface, many players believe it but as this good guy has demonstrated in the OP it's not true. Too bad strength stacking is still bullshit for other reasons though!
Would love to see some videos demonstrating agility and athletics as well, or links to any that were already done.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Miley on August 17, 2012, 03:48:07 am
I was never aware that strength was rumored to add quickness x.x
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: BDsaysHi on August 17, 2012, 04:02:10 am
Same day , same old strength build stacking.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Bobthehero on August 17, 2012, 04:19:12 am
Thank you Mala.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: SixThumbs on August 17, 2012, 05:43:11 am
Having high strength and it being harder to maneuver actually helps if you have good blocking skills, how is my opponent supposed to know how and where I'm going to end up stepping if I barely have any idea? Add 120+ length weapons for best results.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: dreadnok on August 17, 2012, 08:39:04 am
dont even bother sharing info mala. soo many cunts on this board and community
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 17, 2012, 01:50:14 pm
Of course strength doesn't affect movement speed. Weird myth that popped up on forums recently. Agility and athletics do, and there is this relevant thread for all the facts data you need: http://forum.meleegaming.com/beginner%27s-help-and-guides/running-in-crpg/
If you don't want to read that thread:
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WaltF4 wins internet again
To summarize for the lazy people (although I still think you should read the whole WaltF4 post):
- total equipment weight decreases your speed (doesn't matter whether it's weapons or gear, it's all additive to same value) - ath increases your speed - agi increases your speed (1ath = 4-5 agi) - higher agi characters suffer more speed penalty by weight - held weapons decrease speed based on weapon weight AND weapon length (meaning - weight:5 2H decreases more than weight:5 1H) - carrying a shield on the back while holding another shield decreases speed by a lot more than the weight sum should - moving while blocking/chambering decreases speed - back peddling decreases speed by about 50% - back peddling while blocking/chambering speed decrease is about the same as while back peddling without blocking/chambering - rain decreases speed
If something is incorrect or missing, please correct me.
With that being said, i hope this kills any of the myth of strength effecting movement.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Leshma on August 17, 2012, 01:52:06 pm
Of course it does. Have you ever tried different builds while using the same weapon?
Agility does not affect weapon speed, only WPF does. For info on weapon speed, agility, and wpf, Go here: http://forum.meleegaming.com/beginner%27s-help-and-guides/weapon-attack-speed-and-proficiency-and-not-agility/
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: _Sebastian_ on August 17, 2012, 02:08:42 pm
Tested with a movement speed calcuation script.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I finally made a movement speed test on a complete flat 1020x1020m map. I tested two different builds(0str/30str) with different carry weights(10/20/30/40/50/100).
The strange thing is, that strength actually lowers the speed if it has a higher value than agility. Only if strength is on the same level as agility, you wont get any speed penalty from strength.
But now lets take a look on how much strength reduces the speed penalty from weight.
As you can see strength has an effect on the movement speed. It's not realy that much, but better than nothing. :wink:
EDIT Each agility point increases the movment speed by ~0.6%. (this is the base movement speed) Athlethics increases the base movement speed by ~2.2% per point. Both wont effect the turning speed.
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: rAve on August 17, 2012, 02:24:44 pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I finally made a movement speed test on a complete flat 1020x1020m map. I tested two different builds(0str/30str) with different carry weights(10/20/30/40/50/100). The strange thing is, that strength actually lowers the speed if it has a higher value than agility. Only if strength is on the same level as agility, you wont get any speed penalty from strength.
But now lets take a look on how much strength reduces the speed penalty from weight. As you can see strength has an effect on the movement speed. It's not realy that much, but better than nothing. :wink:
so str does have an effect, as he pointed out, its not much, but it's still true
Of course it does. Have you ever tried different builds while using the same weapon?
and as he says, trying different builds makes it look that way, maybe it's an illusion cause your movement speed is faster maybe some1 can write a script to test that out aswel
it's not cuz someone's a developer that he knows everything, there's so many scripts workin together that the final result can be different, thats how some bugs are created in games, otherwise u wouldn't need beta testers for games
Title: Re: just another test. this time strength and movement speed
Post by: Zerran on August 17, 2012, 04:39:27 pm
Of course it does. Have you ever tried different builds while using the same weapon?
It doesn't, at least not directly. You will be able to attack faster with higher agi/ath, but only by using the increased acceleration/movement speed to have faster footwork. So while it does feel like it increases the weapon speed, it doesn't, though it does let you "spam" faster via footwork.
On a slightly different note though, strength also lets you hit earlier in the attack animation without glancing. So essentially both agility and strength let you attack "faster".