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Title: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Mlekce on August 11, 2012, 02:39:38 pm
Our beloved admins decided few weeks ago to buff ranged.

First it was all cool,but then number of archers increased drastically,so inf responded by going 1h shielders.
Then some ppl thought cool lots of archers,less pikes so we should all go and be couch noob lancers.
Others thought lots of cav,and short range inf so we should go pikers.

Resoult infrantery destroyed totaly. I think that there is 10 ppl who play as 2h in EU1 now.
Going without shiled is suecide,but there are our beloved lancers with arabian ponys who can do all cind of ninja moves so if you are not annyed enough by ~30 pikers,and at least 30 archers on server,you will absolutly rage when 10 lancers attack you every round.
Not to mention how balance is cool,so it happends that some teams have all ranged.

solution to this is nerf ranged. Number of shilders will drop,number of cav will drop,number of pikes will drop,number of 2h and polearmers will increase. So game will be balanced,and enjoyable to play.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 02:42:16 pm
Admins can't buff anything. Check your stuff before you post :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Tennenoth on August 11, 2012, 02:42:25 pm
1) Admins didn't do anything. It would be the item balancers.

2) I don't remember an archery buff and I play no different...

Maybe I'm just blind, don't know.

Edit: Goddamnit, my head plate clone snatched it :(
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 02:45:09 pm
Quote from: Tennenoth on August 11, 2012, 02:42:25 pm
Edit: Goddamnit, my head plate clone snatched it :(
:mrgreen:
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Tzar on August 11, 2012, 02:46:25 pm
Come play siege like the rest of us inf if you dont wanna spend every game gettin sniped or couched.

Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: XyNox on August 11, 2012, 02:48:56 pm
Quote from: Tennenoth on August 11, 2012, 02:42:25 pm
2) I don't remember an archery buff and I play no different...

I just wanted to state the same.

Although, I have to agree that even for my taste there is too much ranged now. About a month ago the average ranged units shooting me at a time was about 2-3, now it feels like 5. I also saw a lot melee players going archer the last few days, which I cant really understand as it is pretty bugged right now. Im all in for some more dept in ranged combat, that makes ranged more skill-dependent, instead luck/build/equip dependent.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Aderyn on August 11, 2012, 02:52:14 pm
hurr durr. there's no archerybuff :P
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Rhekimos on August 11, 2012, 02:54:00 pm
There's no buff recently. People just noticed how easy and damaging headshots are.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Mlekce on August 11, 2012, 03:01:36 pm
Quote from: Aderyn on August 11, 2012, 02:52:14 pm
hurr durr. there's no archerybuff :P
whatever. it feels easier for me to shoot that is why i thought there is a buff.
With spin nerf admins/balancers/developers or whatever you call them nerfed all inf,and inf nerf is buff to ranged. I am still right.
We can argue as much we want if i am right or wrong abbout that,but there is too many ranged,pikers,shielders and lancers.
That is a fact.
Every time i get into server i get ganged up at spawn by lancers(because i am slower and low lvl),or i get poked in clusterfuck or get shoot in clusterfuck.
I almoust never die to 2h.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 03:10:29 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on August 11, 2012, 03:01:36 pm
whatever. it feels easier for me to shoot that is why i thought there is a buff.
With spin nerf admins/balancers/developers or whatever you call them nerfed all inf,and inf nerf is buff to ranged. I am still right.
We can argue as much we want if i am right or wrong abbout that,but there is too many ranged,pikers,shielders and lancers.
That is a fact.
Every time i get into server i get ganged up at spawn by lancers(because i am slower and low lvl),or i get poked in clusterfuck or get shoot in clusterfuck.
I almoust never die to 2h.

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Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Riddaren on August 11, 2012, 03:19:13 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on August 11, 2012, 03:01:36 pm
I almoust never die to 2h.

Me neither. They are the weakest class apparently.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Andswaru on August 11, 2012, 03:19:37 pm
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Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 03:20:51 pm
Quote from: Andswaru on August 11, 2012, 03:19:37 pm
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!! +1 mkay? xDD
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Meow on August 11, 2012, 03:35:37 pm
Already looking forward to cmp returning and hitting us with damage stats.

Doubt much changed.

I thought the polestagger removal might have to do with it but since that is not live on NA it seems unlikely.

Saw about an hour of gameplay last week and it didn't look like there was much more ranged, battles were the same but lots of people were complaining about the amount of crossbows.

Due to the randomness in damage it's hard to just call for a ranged nerf, I myself need 3-7 bodyshots vs medium armor while 1-2 headshots work most of the time.

Lots of people gave up on good helmets which seems like a horrible idea but they are completely resistant to adjusting their gamestyle.

It also sounds a bit weird implying that there are many shielders but failing to move with them, sounds like some 2h heroes need to learn to play as a team.

When I can play again I'll roll an stf with some kind of poleaxe and medium to heavy armor just to check if anything changed.
Never had problems with ranged back when I played polearm melee and overall this sounds like we just reached the part of the endless whining cycle where everything except 2h is op.

The score changes should have the effect that ranged goes for horses which should nerf cav more than everything else.

Can't judge though due to lack of actual gametime so this is mostly theory and might be entirely different :mrgreen:
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Tzar on August 11, 2012, 03:40:14 pm
Quote from: Meow on August 11, 2012, 03:35:37 pm
Due to the randomness in damage it's hard to just call for a ranged nerf, I myself need 3-7 bodyshots vs medium armor while 1-2 headshots work most of the time.

So you balance ranged dmg around noobish str builds  :?:  :lol:
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Rebelyell on August 11, 2012, 03:56:01 pm
Quote from: Meow on August 11, 2012, 03:35:37 pm
Already looking forward to cmp returning and hitting us with damage stats.

Doubt much changed.

I thought the polestagger removal might have to do with it but since that is not live on NA it seems unlikely.

Saw about an hour of gameplay last week and it didn't look like there was much more ranged, battles were the same but lots of people were complaining about the amount of crossbows.

Due to the randomness in damage it's hard to just call for a ranged nerf, I myself need 3-7 bodyshots vs medium armor while 1-2 headshots work most of the time.

Lots of people gave up on good helmets which seems like a horrible idea but they are completely resistant to adjusting their gamestyle.

It also sounds a bit weird implying that there are many shielders but failing to move with them, sounds like some 2h heroes need to learn to play as a team.

When I can play again I'll roll an stf with some kind of poleaxe and medium to heavy armor just to check if anything changed.
Never had problems with ranged back when I played polearm melee and overall this sounds like we just reached the part of the endless whining cycle where everything except 2h is op.

The score changes should have the effect that ranged goes for horses which should nerf cav more than everything else.

Can't judge though due to lack of actual gametime so this is mostly theory and might be entirely different :mrgreen:

no offence but you are... not very good archer
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: duurrr on August 11, 2012, 04:04:15 pm
the range buff was the shield nerf... if they just made shield a complete 180 degree force field itd be better since you could actually somewhat counter range that way, but it doesnt prevent them from ez mode running away

right now shields are useless and some kind of huge movement penalty or something is def needed when you have a range weapon (sheathed or unsheathed), that way you can die to melee if they get close. shit i used to be 18 21 and i couldn't catch archers, id hit them once and they just turn around and press W and outrun my other swings, fucking retarded
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 04:05:11 pm

You know Mlekce, writin serious threads while being drunk never turns good  :lol:

Quote from: duurrr on August 11, 2012, 04:04:15 pm
the range buff was the shield nerf... if they just made shield a complete 180 degree force field itd be better since you could actually somewhat counter range that way, but it doesnt prevent them from ez mode running away

right now shields are useless and some kind of huge movement penalty or something is def needed when you have a range weapon (sheathed or unsheathed), that way you can die to melee if they get close. shit i used to be 18 21 and i couldn't catch archers, id hit them once and they just turn around and press W and outrun my other swings, fucking retarded

180 degree forcefield? Dammn, umad lol.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 04:05:23 pm
Quote from: duurrr on August 11, 2012, 04:04:15 pm
the range buff was the shield nerf... if they just made shield a complete 180 degree force field itd be better since you could actually somewhat counter range that way, but it doesnt prevent them from ez mode running away

right now shields are useless and some kind of huge movement penalty or something is def needed when you have a range weapon (sheathed or unsheathed), that way you can die to melee if they get close. shit i used to be 18 21 and i couldn't catch archers, id hit them once and they just turn around and press W and outrun my other swings, fucking retarded

Now I want to know what you smoked too :D
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 04:07:24 pm
Quote from: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 04:05:23 pm
Now I want to know what you smoked too :D

Guess some magic mushrooms are the cause here...
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Grumbs on August 11, 2012, 04:07:38 pm
The scoreboard change has probably resulted in the increased range. You might get only a few kills in a round, but we can see now how much damage ranged really do
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Leshma on August 11, 2012, 04:16:52 pm
Mlekce probably respecced to 2H and now has issues with ranged.

I'm using polearms (no shield) and have no issues. Still hate throwers more than other ranged classes.

There are times when there are too many archers (on one team) but that's Fallen brigade playing on alts.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Gurnisson on August 11, 2012, 04:21:01 pm
I only hate archers when they're the last one(s) alive and drag the game out with boring and annoying kiting. Archery doing good damage and kiting mid-battle is not a problem. Archers should be dangerous.

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Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Leshma on August 11, 2012, 04:27:11 pm
Most archers are strong only in groups. One man show archers are very rare and most of them are lvl 34 and higher with 8 or 9 ath (bagge, nebun, shokoshugi tiborur).

Archers are usually last ones not because they stay away from melee fights but because they developed survival instinct. When every single mistake in positioning means certain death (being killed by lancer cav) you have to learn how to survive.

Most inf players don't use their brains, especially those with full str builds and ton of loomed armor on them.

Archery was buffed, actually fixed, few months ago. Before that fix it was pretty weak for few days.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Grumbs on August 11, 2012, 04:27:22 pm
I think the recent buff was velocity of target taken into account, so if someone tries to approach an archer he will take more damage than if he is running away. They also got increased armour allowed before wpf is affected, so people who wore armour over the limit before may noticed a tighter reticule, and others can have better protection against melee now.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Leshma on August 11, 2012, 04:29:57 pm
That's not a recent buff, it was always like that. It's called speed bonus and works for everyone besides mounted ranged classes but that will be fixed soon.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Paul on August 11, 2012, 04:43:41 pm
Only change to speed bonus was that the shooter movement speed now counts towards damage like common sense dictates. The speed of the target always increased/decreased the damage. So foot archers and crossbowmen aren't affected at all because they usually stand still while they shoot.

From what I have seen lancer and 2h still dominate the scoreboards while the ranged pressure is a joke so I don't really see what the problem is.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Leshma on August 11, 2012, 04:45:26 pm
Quote from: Paul on August 11, 2012, 04:43:41 pm
Only change to speed bonus was that the shooter movement speed now counts towards damage like common sense dictates. The speed of the target always increased/decreased the damage.\

You sure that was implemented in some of recent patches? Cause I can't feel HAs arrows hurting more than usual.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Paul on August 11, 2012, 04:46:41 pm
Actually no idea if it is already implemented. Should only help (mounted) throwers significantly because of their low projectile speed.

Edit: Speed bonus change indeed not added yet.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Tibe on August 11, 2012, 04:52:12 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on August 11, 2012, 02:39:38 pm
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Hmm, you too? I dunno anything about buffed archery and admins screwing up. But what I did felt was that the past 2 days ive pretty much avoiding playing in EU 1. Simply cause it just has shitloads of archers now and isnt really fun anymore. Every f*cking round started with the entire teams just camping in cover for 5 minutes waiting for the shitbag archers to stop their massive arrowbarage and I got seriuslly bored of it.

I dunno why but there just too much arrows flying in the air recently, lots more than before(or the archers are just getting more accurate). Before I didnt complain, it wasnt that bad and I even liked it that I also had to dodge arrows and attack enemies while calculating my movements. Now its a damn joke, the calculating part turned to bullshit 2 days ago, cause there really was nowere to run without getting shot. Getting to cover from spawn normally ended up with everybody who made it to cover getting atleast 2 arrows in their asses and barely even touching the enemy in melee. Gonna stick to smaller EU servers and siege till this shit gets playable again.

I dunno what caused this, mybe now everybody decided to go archer suddenly, but getting into melee is impossibru at the current state. This may cause C-rpg to drop in popularity. Cause at first I tought it was just me sucking, but I asked around ingame. Alot of melee players were pissed.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Dexxtaa on August 11, 2012, 04:57:18 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on August 11, 2012, 02:39:38 pm
Our beloved admins decided few weeks ago to buff ranged.

First it was all cool,but then number of archers increased drastically,so inf responded by going 1h shielders.
Then some ppl thought cool lots of archers,less pikes so we should all go and be couch noob lancers.
Others thought lots of cav,and short range inf so we should go pikers.

Resoult infrantery destroyed totaly. I think that there is 10 ppl who play as 2h in EU1 now.
Going without shiled is suecide,but there are our beloved lancers with arabian ponys who can do all cind of ninja moves so if you are not annyed enough by ~30 pikers,and at least 30 archers on server,you will absolutly rage when 10 lancers attack you every round.
Not to mention how balance is cool,so it happends that some teams have all ranged.

solution to this is nerf ranged. Number of shilders will drop,number of cav will drop,number of pikes will drop,number of 2h and polearmers will increase. So game will be balanced,and enjoyable to play.

Hello, Michael.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Cosmos_Shielder on August 11, 2012, 05:01:26 pm
2h Are really fine , i'm playing a flamberge 2hander full force , and i have no problem being in the 5 first on the top score.
Btw 1hander needs a BIG NERF , but only on the duel server :D.  I don't know if it is the natural counter class to full force , or if i suck that much parrying one hand spammer who are too close to me , but i definetely suck against them :D
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Ganner on August 11, 2012, 05:01:38 pm
Shaddup dexxtru, you are not included when he said beloved.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Jarlek on August 11, 2012, 05:04:43 pm
Quote from: Paul on August 11, 2012, 04:46:41 pm
Actually no idea if it is already implemented. Should only help (mounted) throwers significantly because of their low projectile speed.

Edit: Speed bonus change indeed not added yet.
I'm so looking forward to this being added. Full on charge throwing lance throw. Ouch!
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 05:21:34 pm
Quote from: Zapper on August 11, 2012, 05:04:43 pm
I'm so looking forward to this being added. Full on charge throwing lance throw. Ouch!

Jump throwing is going to be epic :D
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: dreadnok on August 11, 2012, 05:47:45 pm
Quote from: Paul on August 11, 2012, 04:43:41 pm
Only change to speed bonus was that the shooter movement speed now counts towards damage like common sense dictates. The speed of the target always increased/decreased the damage. So foot archers and crossbowmen aren't affected at all because they usually stand still while they shoot.

From what I have seen lancer and 2h still dominate the scoreboards while the ranged pressure is a joke so I don't really see what the problem is.

You mean the guy getting shots movement speed?  The shooters speed has nothing to do with how fast it comes from the bow or crossbow
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 05:52:36 pm
Quote from: dreadnok on August 11, 2012, 05:47:45 pm
You mean the guy getting shots movement speed?  The shooters speed has nothing to do with how fast it comes from the bow or crossbow

Oh so you say if you throw a rock from a car moving 100km/h it doesn't fly faster than the rock you throw with the same force from stationary position?
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Oberyn on August 11, 2012, 05:54:39 pm
Yup. That's how you survive a plane crash. Just jump off the plane about 5 feet from the ground. /physeacs
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Slamz on August 11, 2012, 05:56:06 pm
Welcome to EU:
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Rampant on EU.  Haven't noticed it at all on NA so far.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 06:00:40 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on August 11, 2012, 05:54:39 pm
Yup. That's how you survive a plane crash. Just jump off the plane about 5 feet from the ground. /physeacs

Also this:
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Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Meow on August 11, 2012, 06:05:33 pm
Just FYI since people still seem to think that everyone does balancing, there is a dedicated item/balancing team and afaik it's Fasader, Shik, Paul/Urist, Okin and cmp who implements most changes.

Everyone else is not involved in balancing at all.
Making more omg balance sucks threads will not change anything but always good to have some drama I guess.

Quote from: Tzar on August 11, 2012, 03:40:14 pm
So you balance ranged dmg around noobish str builds  :?:  :lol:

Yeah, figured everything that is not your build is noobish and as long as you fail with your build something else needs to be nerfed.

Obviously not everyone got the problems you have with ranged at least that's what I get from this thread.

Quote from: Rebelyell on August 11, 2012, 03:56:01 pm
no offence but you are... not very good archer

And I never claimed otherwise, I am way better with my noobish melee str build and still I enjoy playing an archer and piss off people who fail to adjust their gamestyle.

This actually got me on top of the scoreboard more than once when I actually played months ago.
Guess mostly because "head-on charge the archer!!!" players feed me.
Omnomnomnom
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Jacko on August 11, 2012, 06:14:02 pm
 Damn I knew the weekly admin balance team would fail eventually. I blame the american badmins, was their week you know.

Okey, trolling aside, you mean we can't just write this off as a shift in the meta game? Since we see the raise of range fairly consistently every few months..

Lol, trying to spell on smartphone.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Mlekce on August 11, 2012, 06:14:33 pm
Quote from: TiberiusX on August 11, 2012, 04:52:12 pm
Hmm, you too? I dunno anything about buffed archery and admins screwing up. But what I did felt was that the past 2 days ive pretty much avoiding playing in EU 1. Simply cause it just has shitloads of archers now and isnt really fun anymore. Every f*cking round started with the entire teams just camping in cover for 5 minutes waiting for the shitbag archers to stop their massive arrowbarage and I got seriuslly bored of it.

I dunno what caused this, mybe now everybody decided to go archer suddenly, but getting into melee is impossibru at the current state. This may cause C-rpg to drop in popularity. Cause at first I tought it was just me sucking, but I asked around ingame. Alot of melee players were pissed.

This is the actual point of this thread. You are right abbout everything.

Quote from: duurrr on August 11, 2012, 04:04:15 pm
the range buff was the shield nerf... if they just made shield a complete 180 degree force field itd be better since you could actually somewhat counter range that way, but it doesnt prevent them from ez mode running away

right now shields are useless and some kind of huge movement penalty or something is def needed when you have a range weapon (sheathed or unsheathed), that way you can die to melee if they get close. shit i used to be 18 21 and i couldn't catch archers, id hit them once and they just turn around and press W and outrun my other swings, fucking retarded

Well shielder chars get penalty in speed but they are not usless. It is fine class,butit could get some love.

@leshma i am shielder,and i will stay shielder. I would rather love to see 2h kuyak clone army then this what is now.
Shitloads of archers,shitloads of cav lancers that i can beat 1vs1 in melee fight with bouth hands tied,but they can kill me because of arab pony and lots of cav frends who first bump me to ground and then couch me while i am on ground. This thing is happening every time i enter the server.
Get shot by archer or get lanced by golden horde of noobs who suck at every other class exept lancer easy mode.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Leshma on August 11, 2012, 06:19:46 pm
Well, I agree with Tzar that str builds are noobish. They are simply easier to play because of the way cRPG works.

Less fun yes, but definitely easier.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 06:21:27 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on August 11, 2012, 06:14:33 pm
This is the actual point of this thread. You are right abbout everything.

Well shielder chars get penalty in speed but they are not usless. It is fine class,butit could get some love.

@leshma i am shielder,and i will stay shielder. I would rather love to see 2h kuyak clone army then this what is now.
Shitloads of archers,shitloads of cav lancers that i can beat 1vs1 in melee fight with bouth hands tied,but they can kill me because of arab pony and lots of cav frends who first bump me to ground and then couch me while i am on ground. This thing is happening every time i enter the server.
Get shot by archer or get lanced by golden horde of noobs who suck at every other class exept lancer easy mode.

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Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Rebelyell on August 11, 2012, 06:22:41 pm
Meow don't get me wrong, by the best i mean... hmmm deadly.
I know archers winch 1 shot me with headshot and like 2 shot with body hit
from that what i remember your arrows bouce on my loomed set :P( you are using that crazy herhid bow right?)
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 11, 2012, 06:26:04 pm
People went archer to:


I don't think anything else needs to be said, really.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Zanze on August 11, 2012, 06:37:13 pm
Archers keep killing me, but I don't want to use a shield.
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Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 11, 2012, 06:38:12 pm
Archers are OP due to imaginary super-secret nerfs, Ban NA.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Molly on August 11, 2012, 06:38:35 pm
Fasaderp  :mrgreen:   
Meow said Fasader  :mrgreen:
Gnihihi Fasader...
Trololo  :mrgreen:
Omg, that's hilarious  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Meow on August 11, 2012, 06:41:10 pm
Quote from: Slamz on August 11, 2012, 05:56:06 pm
Welcome to EU:
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Rampant on EU.  Haven't noticed it at all on NA so far.

This "aimbot" is singleplayer only and it says so in the video iirc.
There is no working aimbot for warband multiplayer and there probably never will be because in opposite to regular fps you neither got the accuracy nor the projectile speed to actually make it work.

Best I could imagine someone could do is draw a line with the predicted flightpath which would basically be a curved cone and so far I did not see something like this nor do I think anyone will ever put the afford to do it into something for warband.

Not sure you can imagine what I mean but currently this is my accuracy at 4PD and 181wpf:
http://i.imgur.com/jCG62.jpg
(didn't direct display it since it's a huge image)
Now I am not sure if some crossbows got better accuracy at high wpf but no matter what, if ranged players shoot at you at range it's highly likely that their arrow will not exactly land where they planned, also since they have to aim higher and they are leading you it's just normal that some would release the arrow so it hits your cover.

So besides the part that it's no indication for an aimbot AT ALL I also highly doubt that this happens to you on a regular basis while you actually observe it.

Anyhow, TL;DR: There is no multiplayer aimbot for warband.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

Quote from: Rebelyell on August 11, 2012, 06:22:41 pm
Meow don't get me wrong, by the best i mean... hmmm deadly.
I know archers winch 1 shot me with headshot and like 2 shot with body hit
from that what i remember your arrows bouce on my loomed set :P( you are using that crazy herhid bow right?)

Yeah, as said in this post already I'm using a tatar bow at 4PD so my damage is not really close to a rus or longbow at 6 or 8 pd depending on the archers level but I get awesome accuracy and a great rate of fire.
Killing sure mostly happens due to head shots and I get zero damage hits/bounces regularly but it's great for anti-cav and kiting, the stuff everyone hates  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: a_bear_irl on August 11, 2012, 07:12:48 pm
i was oneshotted by a rus bow, 8if 45 head armor the other day
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 07:22:55 pm
Quote from: a_bear_irl on August 11, 2012, 07:12:48 pm
i was oneshotted by a rus bow, 8if 45 head armor the other day
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Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Falka on August 11, 2012, 07:36:47 pm
Quote from: Meow on August 11, 2012, 06:41:10 pm
http://i.imgur.com/jCG62.jpg

Your game... looks really cool. Do you use any graphic mods?
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 11, 2012, 07:41:20 pm
Quote from: Falka on August 11, 2012, 07:36:47 pm
Your game... looks really cool. Do you use any graphic mods?

Free graphics update that all Fallen have the option of choosing when they join. We have a variety of packages to suit any user, no matter how good or bad the platform.

We also give out free lolipops.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Meow on August 11, 2012, 07:51:23 pm
Haha Tears.

Quote from: Falka on August 11, 2012, 07:36:47 pm
Your game... looks really cool. Do you use any graphic mods?

This is Realistic Colors (http://mountandblade.nexusmods.com/mods/2018) + Expanded Horizons (http://mountandblade.nexusmods.com/mods/2387)

Make sure to follow the instructions if you wanna try it.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 11, 2012, 08:15:48 pm
HardRice hates lolipops, thus he hates fun and with that he is evil. Ban HardRice.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 11, 2012, 08:54:03 pm
Quote from: Paul on August 11, 2012, 04:46:41 pm
Actually no idea if it is already implemented. Should only help (mounted) throwers significantly because of their low projectile speed.

Edit: Speed bonus change indeed not added yet.
Paul and CMP and chadz and everyone else I fucking love you!
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Pejlaen on August 11, 2012, 09:13:47 pm
Quote from: Slamz on August 11, 2012, 05:56:06 pm
Welcome to EU:
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Rampant on EU.  Haven't noticed it at all on NA so far.


Nice. I am an EU player, and I have not seen it once. But surely as you say, it is frequented on the EU servers
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 12, 2012, 01:44:54 am
This guy is to the traffic what Mlecke is to cRPG

visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Vieuxcrotter on August 12, 2012, 03:26:25 am
Leave battle and play siege. That the solution.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 12, 2012, 11:46:26 am
Quote from: Leshma on August 11, 2012, 04:16:52 pm
Still hate throwers more than other ranged classes.

There are times when there are too many archers (on one team) but that's Fallen brigade playing on alts.
Fuck everything that throws shit at me  :evil:

Nerf archery  :twisted:
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: IR_Kuoin on August 12, 2012, 12:21:12 pm
Give crossbows a PD req. but the PD wont give any dmg buff, problem with crossbows on every class, solved.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Camaris on August 12, 2012, 12:39:30 pm
Bah i think they are all respeccing archer for Strat4. The amount of archers last strat battle was insane.
Was killed more by ranged then by everything else and im actually shielder.
It sucks that shield is almost not helping anymore. Got shoot out of melee every 2nd fight. Got shot with shield up just a bit
from side all the time.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Matey on August 12, 2012, 12:44:32 pm
Quote from: Camaris on August 12, 2012, 12:39:30 pm
It sucks that shield is almost not helping anymore. Got shoot out of melee every 2nd fight. Got shot with shield up just a bit
from side all the time.

cuz 99% of shields are bad. Pretty much need a heavy round or a huscarl or you are ranged fodder. not that people cant shoot you in sides/back when you use heavy/huscarl, but at least its a bit harder to get around it.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Aderyn on August 12, 2012, 02:18:26 pm
extra skill in shields helps alot in not getting killed by archers :P trust me, it's a bitch to shoot people like eyebeat

on an unrelated note


FREE Aderyn, blanketban NA
Let him return home to EU servers for maximum archerprojectiles.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: HarunYahya on August 12, 2012, 02:32:11 pm
Buff ranged give armor it's glance ability back and buff armor overall how the fuck can you damage a tincan with a fucking scimitar ?..
It should glance off.
Buff arrow damage on low tier armor and mail and let arrows glance off plate
give xbow huge penetration bonus .
add shield bash and crouching
nerf athletics and increase weight of plate armors.
buff secondary modes of all weapons , let halfswording use 2h wpf
buff hook/hammer damage of polearms and 1 handers aswell
increase horses health and bump damage but lower it's maneuverability add longer lances and estoc type stab only cav swords.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: MrShine on August 12, 2012, 02:35:31 pm
This thread is becoming a black hole, cramming all the poor suggestions into one condensed super-mass of suck.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Zandieer on August 12, 2012, 02:49:14 pm
"I think that there is 10 ppl who play as 2h in EU1 now."

Oh wait, so you're saying this is a BAD thing now? :?
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 12, 2012, 03:15:17 pm
Holy shit, Mlekce got a bigger shitpost percentage than me.
Title: Re: How to destroy balance in one move
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 12, 2012, 03:16:10 pm
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 12, 2012, 03:15:17 pm
Holy shit, Mlekce got a bigger shitpost percentage than me.

That's because he has talent.