Put up a poll, learn how to spell you're, annnnnd yeah, I assume you'll be muted soon xDYou'r is a troll of mine -_- Have you not noticed this? And I would put a poll butt I think it would be to much in-ur-end-oh.
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I would move it, if I was a mod... Too bad I'm not a mod and can't move it...
I'm all for the gay marriage. There is no argument against it that stands up to even vague scrutiny.
Just to clarify "I have an opinion and so therefore my opinion should be law" not a good argument.
No, no.
I just need to think of something outrageous...
How about:
-You will support that homosexual marriage should be obligatory to help reduce population on Earth.
-I will support that god hates my old friends and this is a Christian nation so all my old friends should be hanged, drawn and quartered.
Just to clarify "I have an opinion and so therefore my opinion should be law" not a good argument.Frankly I agree. I believe the old testament excuse is bull crap considering it says we should dress a certain way and not eat pork. I believe before I die that our generation will legalize Marijuana and Gay marriage. I made this on a serious point because I want to hear why not? So please don;t let this influence you speak you'r opinion!
I'm totally for gay marriage. It's hetero marriage I'm against. Unless they're ugly girls, then no prob. But all hot hetero girls should be single. And available. And unable to say 'no'.I started the communism thread so at one point I can try to introduce my plan to purge all the ugly girls in america. There ugly slave labor could be used to get the american economy out of the shitter. Then when they die we can harvest there leathery skin and make sexy clothes for the poor hot chicks.
(...)Adoption is the thing I'm a bit more cautious about though. While I don't think two same gender parents will always be worse for a child than a couple of a woman and a man(...)Well actually, at least when it comes to lesbian couples, it's better for a child:
But all hot hetero girls should be single. And available. And unable to say 'no'.
just wanted to mention that I'm unwed
so is the last page all irony posting or did this really turn into a hate-filled bigot circle jerk
you people are fucking horrible, i'd rather go out for a drink with an HIV positive flamboyant gay man than with someone who genuinely thinks someone's sexual preference means they should be deprived civil rights and basic respect, no seriously you people should all be ashamed and don't belong in 21st century society, you are the real bundle of stickss
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I'm on the fence as it were and everything I have read about the science, psychology ect (both supporting and not) has kept me there.
I think homosexuality is a good thing considering the population growth. More gays => less people die in hunger. More gays => more people adopting children. Heteros can still live normally too. WIN/WIN situation.
ps. Fuck the Church.
You make it sound like the science is muddled on the issue. May I inquire what kind of science there is against homosexuality?Homosexuals can't do the most important thing according to nature, reproduction, so biology perhaps.
Homosexuals can't do the most important thing according to nature, reproduction, so biology perhaps.
I think homosexuality is a good thing considering the population growth. More gays => less people die in hunger. More gays => more people adopting children. Heteros can still live normally too. WIN/WIN situation.
ps. Fuck the Church.
Homosexuals can't do the most important thing according to nature, reproduction, so biology perhaps.
ps. Fuck the Church.
So again, fuck you religion.
Reproduction is what's killing human population so gays actually help us more than you think.Somewhat of a paradox, no? Population growth might lower the average standard of living of humans, but it hasn't yet. It is not killing human population, increasing it actually and obviously.
According to nature, mass reproduction always ends badly for the species doing it.Name me one of these species.
Homosexuals can't do the most important thing according to nature, reproduction, so biology perhaps.
According to nature, mass reproduction always ends badly for the species doing it.
Name me one of these species.
Archers
Name me one of these species.
Any moron that says the western world has an OVERPOPULATION problem with a 1.7 birthrate should be thoroughly slapped in the face for being so utterly silly.
Am I saying that it's western world that is overpopulating?
yes allow it...what the fuck??? its already allowed
Might as well argue that Somalia needs green development then because heavy industry threatens the environment.
Gay marriage is a western issue ONLY. The other regions still debate whether gays should be hanged or simply jailed for life. So, for the next 50 years, maybe more, this arguement is pointless.
Things are worse somewhere else, so any problems here should be ignored?
When can we talk about our problems again? Do we really have to wait until we're the worst part of the world?
Curious, what kind of anti-gay science have you found?
You make it sound like the science is muddled on the issue. May I inquire what kind of science there is against homosexuality?
Does some research say that it's harmful, perhaps?
Overpopulation is NOT a western problem. Bringing it forward as an arguement about something that will affect western countries EXLUSIVELY remains, I insist, silly.
Depends what angle you take. Indirectly over population in the east is a massive western problem for economic, trade, immigration and other reasons. The west itself isn't over populating, but it's still an issue that affects us in a big way.
That may be so (it is a whole new discussion) however gay marriage in the WEST will NOT help solve the overpopulation problem in any other part of the world.
It does not have to. Gay marriage is a good thing, theres not one proper reason against it. Not a single one.
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Overpopulation is NOT a western problem. Bringing it forward as an arguement about something that will affect western countries EXLUSIVELY remains, I insist, silly.
More that there are psychological reasons for it occurring. As in it isn't inherent, not born 'gay'. Which makes for interesting debate as to whether it's something brought on by an event in childhood or other such experiences. Perhaps for and against was the wrong term. I more specifically meant whether it is something purely natural and determined from the onset for whatever reason, or something that is brought on by experiences later on. Obviously that swerves into the dangerous territory of is it a mental condition (for example schizophrenia often occurs around the early 20's though it can be argued people have a pre-disposition towards it). But then any LGBT community I've ever spoken to will insist it's something that is in a sense pre-determined. It's them and that's how they were born which makes you wonder what determines that.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any of this simply that it makes for interesting topic because of so many degrees of argument, religious ect.
I agree, as a general rule, overpopulation is not a hot issue in the western world, but I disagree on it being futile to discuss. Values in big culture exporters, like the USA, have an effect in various other countries as well. If we're to combat overpopulation we should export education and social security, so that people in poor countries won't have to have over ten children just to guarantee some care in their old age. If we do that, transferring values such as we're discussing now happens naturally.
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Sexual development is natural, whether it's hetero or homosexual. Neither are a mental disease. It's part of being human.
Is when exactly does it happen important?
This is what I already suggested earlier in this thread.
You are a smart man then!
That's your opinion. Not everyone would agree hence why it is a hotly contested issue.
Edit: Meant that specifically to the mental disease part. Obviously the development is natural. But then you can also argue that paedophilia is natural for some people and yet the age of consent is 16 or higher in many countries. Not that I'm necessarily trying to compare the two but the lines aren't necessarily 100% clear.
Discrimination is based on fear and those who discriminate are often weaker links.
Gay folks and immigrants have to work a lot harder than typical white heterosexual male born and raised in western countries. That's why they have better results and that's why "normal" people hate them.
Not recognized at a federal level, which is quite silly really. Actually, this whole debate is silly for reasons I will explain when I have my PC and not be forced to type on my iPhone.
i dont know how its in your racist state but here where i life its same as hetero mariages
That's your opinion. Not everyone would agree hence why it is a hotly contested issue.I completely agree with this. There are also people who develop a need to kill other people, is that acceptable? No, does that mean gay people are not acceptable? No. Still, where do you draw the line? The natural argument does not add up cause there is tons of stuff that we do condemn while people can't help being that way at all.
Edit: Meant that specifically to the mental disease part. Obviously the development is natural. But then you can also argue that paedophilia is natural for some people and yet the age of consent is 16 or higher in many countries. Not that I'm necessarily trying to compare the two but the lines aren't necessarily 100% clear.
I completely agree with this. There are also people who develop a need to kill other people, is that acceptable? No, does that mean gay people are not acceptable? No. Still, where do you draw the line?
There is a lot of grey.
I draw the line at personal liberty and not causing any harm.
What kind of grey? I don't understand.
Let's say a Man loves a Woman. This is white, with the terminology used, right?
Then a Man loves a Man. But suddenly this is grey. Where did the darkness come from?
The grey line is no whether homosexuality can be taught or not.
Especially when it comes to adoptions.
i dont know how its in your racist state but here where i life its same as hetero mariages
Nothing should stand between a boy and his horse.
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Gays are bad mmkay.<3
Btw is that a real quote from the man himself? In other news Eastwood kicks Chuck Norris' ass. I take no arguments on this.
I dont get how a marriage between 2 gay guys who love eachother for who they are is considered unholy, but a marrige between a 18 year old golddigger with big tits and a 90 year old horny rich guy is completely normal and legal. World is so logical sometimes.
Hey man, what is your problem with a guy buying a woman?!? He worked for it!
Are you a chocolate chip cookieCOMMUNIST???
I don't know why they whine about not being able to get married in Church when Church themselves do not want them.
Just let have civil marriage. That's enuff. If Church doesn't want you because you're gay, well...then Church doesn't want you. You've already gone the way of Satan according to most of em anyhow
Deal with it.