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Title: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Gomer on August 10, 2012, 11:11:45 pm
I was wondering what you'r guy's favorite type of communism is. I prefer Stalinism myself. You'r thoughts?
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Teeth on August 10, 2012, 11:14:26 pm
Communism has nice ideas but they do not go well with human nature and it will therefore forever fail.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Farrix on August 10, 2012, 11:16:30 pm
maoism. There's just something magical about inspiring all the poor people to follow you, then enslaving them to build shitty iron weapons, then killing millions of them with those same shitty iron weapons. ahhh the stupidity of the masses is something to be cherished!
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Gomer on August 10, 2012, 11:18:29 pm
Communism has nice ideas but they do not go well with human nature and it will therefore forever fail.
Well if you purge enough it can work.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on August 10, 2012, 11:25:33 pm
Off topic ban he
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Penitent on August 10, 2012, 11:29:21 pm
DEATH IS AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM!
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 10, 2012, 11:30:26 pm
inb4 moved to spam
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Rebelyell on August 10, 2012, 11:30:52 pm
I was wondering what you'r guy's favorite type of communism is. I prefer Stalinism myself. You'r thoughts?

dude you are so fucked up on brain then I will not even -1
stupid american fat twat macdonald
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Gomer on August 10, 2012, 11:33:41 pm
dude you are so fucked up on brain then I will not even -1
stupid american fat twat macdonald
I'm sorry I don't speak whiny bitch ^.^
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Rebelyell on August 10, 2012, 11:54:06 pm
I'm sorry I don't speak whiny bitch ^.^

communism isn't ass you twat
there is nothing funny in that you American jerk

"USA USA USA USA I AM GOING TO MAKE AWESOME FUNNY THREAD

COMUNISM HEHEHEH YEA THATS FUNNY"

lern some history before you start toking about something, and don't tell my to calm down,
Stalin kiled half of fuking est Europe during hes life...
no i will not waste my time here
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Bryc3ee on August 10, 2012, 11:59:42 pm
Stalin got his country into space even after the long period of poverty that was plaguing Eastern Europe. You can't argue with the results. Although the expenses ... =/

Communism wasn't intended to be totalitarian like Stalin had turned it into. Just a society owned by the proletariat.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Rebelyell on August 11, 2012, 12:06:35 am
Stalin got his country into space even after the long period of poverty that was plaguing Eastern Europe. You can't argue with the results. Although the expenses ... =/

Communism wasn't intended to be totalitarian like Stalin had turned it into. Just a society owned by the proletariat.


dude that was rocket for nuclear warheads

god bless you America
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 12:12:02 am
Communism was never intended to be nothing more than a thought.

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Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 12:12:27 am
Fuck you Gomer, your trollish fuck is just so poor, go get some burgers and leave us alone.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Penitent on August 11, 2012, 12:14:08 am
Fuck you Gomer, your trollish fuck is just so poor, go get some burgers and leave us alone.

Oh man, I LOVE burgers.  All I have to eat right now is a muffin. :(
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 12:16:00 am
Oh man, I LOVE burgers.  All I have to eat right now is a muffin. :(

Got some Danish Lager Beer (Faxe, best ever), some "Big Flippies" and Ice Tea you my old friendget :P
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 12:16:23 am
Oh man, I LOVE burgers.  All I have to eat right now is a muffin. :(

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Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Penitent on August 11, 2012, 12:19:26 am
wat is Big Flippie....?
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Silicium on August 11, 2012, 12:20:05 am
Oh man, I LOVE burgers.  All I have to eat right now is a muffin. :(

Look at it

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Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 12:22:39 am
wat is Big Flippie....?

Some Peanut shit :D
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Riddaren on August 11, 2012, 12:22:53 am
Communism may not be the worst ideology in theory. But in reality it is by far the worst.
Don't even mention YMCA. That's nothing in comparison with communism.

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Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 12:23:33 am
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Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Leshma on August 11, 2012, 12:29:21 am
Mute Gomer.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 12:29:38 am
Mute Gomer.

(Dont wann ruin youre stats Leshma, so no +1 :D)
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 12:30:15 am
Mute Gomer.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Riddaren on August 11, 2012, 12:34:28 am
Mute Gomer.

That's something a communist would do :wink:
Have to disagree with that.

Let him talk and just down vote him, democratic style.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 12:36:21 am
That's something a communist would do :wink:
Have to disagree with that.

Let him talk and just down vote him, democratic style.
Democratic way isn't fast enough in this situation. We have to call in National Security!
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 12:39:48 am
einstein was a communist, right guys?
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Christo on August 11, 2012, 12:40:51 am
einstein was a communist, right guys?

National Socialist.

Similar in ways, bit different in some. Very close though.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 12:42:45 am
einstein was a communist, right guys?

Another funny guy.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Teeth on August 11, 2012, 12:47:15 am
Communism may not be the worst ideology in theory. But in reality it is by far the worst.
Don't even mention YMCA. That's nothing in comparison with communism.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
You can't use the fact that millions were killed by people that called themselves communists to value an ideology that does not justify any of these actions. The people are to blame, not the ideology, which is rather sound in theory. Marx was an optimist though, we've all seen how well it works in practice though, certain individuals are to blame for that though, not the ideology.

Condemn totalitarianism, not communism.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 12:56:59 am
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Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Smoothrich on August 11, 2012, 12:57:09 am
"Communism" is plainly false and empty rhetoric that has been primarily used to justify totalitarian regimes that strip away individual liberty and dignity, hijacking the valid concern of equality and the dangers of unchecked capitalism.

Instead people should turn to platforms of social democracy, government mandated systems that ensure equal social rights like education, healthcare, unions, and no discrimination based on gender race religion or orientation, founded in the post-Marxist liberal socialism school of thought.

The "welfare state" is the derogatory term for this kind of system but I think it would be more accurate to say "Not putting corporate interests and individual wealth above the prosperity of an entire people" State instead.

Sadly America veers hard right of this line of thought, because our right-wing citizens are so absurdly backwards, our "conservative" politicians can hijack their barbaric positions on social issues to blindside their base with an entirely profit/corporation driven agenda that does more to deprive these commonly uneducated, underemployed citizens of fulfilling lives (no healthcare, no jobs, no education, no credit) then gays getting married or women getting birth control ever could.

Socialist thought is way out of the mainstream in America, and in fact is some sort of boogey man.  President Obama managing to pass through a watered down, practically inconsequential baby steps of health care reform so that insurance companies can't literally drop you causing you to die the moment you get too sick and some other things, doing this has branded him an Islamic Fascist Socialist Communist friend to at least 1/3 of America, most of which don't even believe he is American and would probably spit on him/kill him if they had the chance.

Fuck America, and fuck you Gomer.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on August 11, 2012, 01:02:38 am
^ Interesting. All pretty valid.

Yeah It's mostly dead. Been replaced by state capitalism (check out china) it can work but as a western democrat in a stable country I wouldn't want it here.

Here is a thought;

The notion of ideas existing along a political spectrum left------right is fucking idiotic. There are simply ideas, and they need to be thought about critically and tested. If an idea is worth while it doesn't matter who or what came up with it, the question is very simple. Does it work, does it do what it says on the box.

Science mother fuckers, do you know it?
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 01:10:36 am
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Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Adamar on August 11, 2012, 01:11:12 am
My grandpa remembers communism. Over the years he used his meager winnings to build a 3 storey high building, so he could retire as a landlord, then the comunists came to power for a little while and decided that each family can only own 1 house. Smart, right?
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Farrix on August 11, 2012, 01:20:25 am
oh dear god, please do not turn this into a "fuck america" thread. Ya'll realize that if it weren't for american democracy and capitalism that most of the world would be living under a chocolate chip cookie or stalinistic totalitarian regime? Yeah smooth, we ain't perfect. Show me a country that is and we can all move there. In the meantime though, why don't you and everyone else quit thinking you have some sort of right to endlessly bitch about the country that has pulled the rest of the world from the brink of chaos multiple times. Instead, why don't you, just once, consider being grateful for all the shit that we've done for you.

Oh wait, yeah I forgot, you do have that right. BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN AMERICA YOU UNGRATEFUL PESSIMISTIC LITTLE SHITS!
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 01:22:19 am
Why is this thread still up?

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for moderator 2012, we need smone to delete such fuck!
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 01:25:04 am
If I was a forum moderator, this thread would have been long gone to spam. Actually you can see how fast by looking at my first post :D.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 01:25:22 am
oh dear god, please do not turn this into a "fuck america" thread. Ya'll realize that if it weren't for american democracy and capitalism that most of the world would be living under a chocolate chip cookie or stalinistic totalitarian regime? Yeah smooth, we ain't perfect. Show me a country that is and we can all move there. In the meantime though, why don't you and everyone else quit thinking you have some sort of right to endlessly bitch about the country that has pulled the rest of the world from the brink of chaos multiple times. Instead, why don't you, just once, consider being grateful for all the shit that we've done for you.

Oh wait, yeah I forgot, you do have that right. BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN AMERICA YOU UNGRATEFUL PESSIMISTIC LITTLE SHITS!

Well, it`s all the Austrian`s fault ya know? *inserting a picture of irony*
Besides that americanz are also not innocent virgins...
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Farrix on August 11, 2012, 01:38:56 am
yeah your absolutely right, we aren't innocent virgins. We are the most powerful country in the world and we've used that power to benefit our countrymen without murdering millions of minorities/religious groups. Looking at the history of the world and the history of the most powerful nations in the world's past, I'd say that's a pretty damn good accomplishment.

I'm proud of this country, I'm proud of our accomplishments, and I'm proud that we do not force our populace to put on the blinders and that we accept our flaws and are still able to maintain a sense of morality and consciousness despite having the power to force our will on the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 01:42:18 am
oh dear god, please do not turn this into a "fuck america" thread. Ya'll realize that if it weren't for american democracy and capitalism that most of the world would be living under a chocolate chip cookie or stalinistic totalitarian regime? Yeah smooth, we ain't perfect. Show me a country that is and we can all move there. In the meantime though, why don't you and everyone else quit thinking you have some sort of right to endlessly bitch about the country that has pulled the rest of the world from the brink of chaos multiple times. Instead, why don't you, just once, consider being grateful for all the shit that we've done for you.

Oh wait, yeah I forgot, you do have that right. BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN AMERICA YOU UNGRATEFUL PESSIMISTIC LITTLE SHITS!

  :lol:
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Abay on August 11, 2012, 01:44:20 am
There are many different types of goods for people in communism, democracy, republic and monarchy.

In communism, there is no poor man around, everyone lives good enough.

In the world, idiots are more than wises. So, in democracy and republic, always idiots rule the government.(governments are companies
in general)

In monarch, if the king/sultan is wise, people live well; unless he is, that is too bad.

So, we cannot say that this one is better than another one in general. In last years, democracy is like necessity with high media support
and idiots(as I said) think democracy is the perfect one by this media action!
If you personally think that one of them is the perfect, then you are new to the world!
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Adamar on August 11, 2012, 01:50:26 am
People living under communism are generaly poor.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Abay on August 11, 2012, 01:53:48 am
People living under communism are generaly poor.

if the country is rich, people lives rich! communism is fine for poor countries to improve themselves to the others' level, so we didnt see any rich communist country yet. communism is kinda key for helpless people for living like a human. Rich countries dont prefer communism cos if they do, they had to share government's money with people! Rich countries like to get people's money for big companies and we call them imperialist power!(Government of a rich country is a big company or some of them in share, always!)
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Adamar on August 11, 2012, 02:04:31 am
communism is fine for poor countries to improve themselves to the others' level,

You're missing the point, communist countries are poor because theres no reason for a single citizen to work more if they all get the same reward. That's why it doesn't work. Now in democratic or 'imperialistic' coutries, people have the freedom and the tools to do whatever they want in life, this is what fuels their economy.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Abay on August 11, 2012, 02:13:39 am
You're missing the point, communist countries are poor because theres no reason for a single citizen to work more if they all get the same reward. That's why it doesn't work. Now in democratic or 'imperialistic' coutries, people have the freedom and the tools to do whatever they want in life, this is what fuels their economy.

Well, we are talkin about 60-70 years a human life. Working somewhere is harmless thing for people. All nation works for production cos they dont want to exploit another country and people in communism. Also I must say that if all nation works in the country, people live in there can retire with 15 years full work and live fine until his death! Imperialism and other ideologies have positivities for human but it is a choise. I can say a negativity for imperialism(maybe more than one) whole africa, syria, arabia, india, vietnam, afghanistan, iraq...

But with this conversation style, we cannot select a point for our lives. We have to find the key of our lives, how we like to live, etc...

So, this thread is endless like my politic talks with my friends until morning sun  :P


Edit: Some guys in America always attack chocolate chip cookies but why dont they ask that WHERE einstein FOUND THE OIL when he were fighting against all of us? Might it be Rockefeller or is there an oil source in germany we dont know yet? If you guys want you to be more wise, you must ask the question ''why'' more!
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Smoothrich on August 11, 2012, 02:19:31 am
oh dear god, please do not turn this into a "fuck america" thread. Ya'll realize that if it weren't for american democracy and capitalism that most of the world would be living under a chocolate chip cookie or stalinistic totalitarian regime? Yeah smooth, we ain't perfect. Show me a country that is and we can all move there. In the meantime though, why don't you and everyone else quit thinking you have some sort of right to endlessly bitch about the country that has pulled the rest of the world from the brink of chaos multiple times. Instead, why don't you, just once, consider being grateful for all the shit that we've done for you.


Actually the Stalinistic regime pretty much single handedly obliterated Germany to win WW2 in Europe, and I do not recall the Soviets ever threatening to invade western europe or taking over the world or anything like that.  If anything, they were invaded by the West over and over and over, including America supporting the Whites in their Civil War, and just had 1/5 of their entire population wiped out in WW2 by their lovely western neighbor.  In fact, America was the one that used the rhetoric "WE MUST STOP COMMUNIST EXPANSION!" to go around overthrowing democracy in South/Central America, Asia, and the Middle East for the past 60 years, installing pro-west ($$$) dictators who stripped away the civil rights and individual/economic liberty of their people more often then not.  All simply to fulfil business contracts with the military and energy industries, while fueling it all by attempting to brainwash American citizens with anti-soviet/communist hysteria.

This cycle of greed being fueled by hate leading to domestic paranoia and ignorance can be shown by 1950's American Senator, Joseph McCarthy, recreating the Salem Witch Trials by ruining the lives of countless innocents claiming them to be communist spies.  And that tradition lives on today as recently as 2 weeks ago, with Congresswoman Michele Bachmann now claiming doing the same but replacing Communist with Muslim.

Next you will be telling me America in the 21st century, is keeping the world safe  not anymore from The Evil Eastern European, but from The Evil Sand friends (and mexicans too) thus we all owe America everything and have no place to criticize shortsighted or simply cruel and selfish domestic and foreign policy?

Ironically that great era you speak of, where America bounced back from the Great Depression to become a leader on the world stage, a number one investor/creditor to Europe and the rest of the world, and a beacon of technological progress and economic prosperity.. funny enough this was all during and immediately after the era of FDR, a 4 term president who was the closest to a Social-Democrat we've had, despite being a bit of a dick and the New Deal having its own set of problems.  But it was the right track, and since Nixon, and most devastatingly, Ronald Reagan's administration, America has been fucked and is being destroyed from the top by entrenched elite, namely the "one percent" that surrounded the Occupy Wall Street movement.  Of which I was a proud participant.

Also, you say: "In the meantime though, why don't you and everyone else quit thinking you have some sort of right to endlessly bitch about the country that has pulled the rest of the world from the brink of chaos multiple times.  " In the meantime though, why don't you and everyone else quit thinking you have some sort of right to endlessly bitch "

Funny, I guess I thought the point of democracy was a government held accountable by its people?  Though I guess a system where citizens have no right to protest the actions of their leaders, while putting full confidence, faith, and love into their nation and holding nothing but pride and enthusiasm for military achievements with a focus on conquest and expansion.. boy what could be more American then that?  I guess the chocolate chip cookies really did have the right idea in your eyes.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 02:24:17 am
After a deep research on fox news, I can confirm albert "gas em" the einstein was a communist.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Smoothrich on August 11, 2012, 02:37:23 am
You're missing the point, communist countries are poor because theres no reason for a single citizen to work more if they all get the same reward. That's why it doesn't work. Now in democratic or 'imperialistic' coutries, people have the freedom and the tools to do whatever they want in life, this is what fuels their economy.

So this is why "communist countries are poor"?  Can you cite your sources, please?  Give examples?

Does this mean that poor people shouldn't be entitled to welfare benefits either, because then they would have no incentive to improve their lives?  Because some people really believe this, even if tens of thousands of people die annually due to no healthcare insurance in America alone, and economic recession fueled by the reckless selfishness of banks and businesses has left millions unemployed.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Seadle on August 11, 2012, 02:40:48 am
I miss the old goon Smoonthrich...   :cry:
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 02:49:34 am
So this is why "communist countries are poor"?  Can you cite your sources, please?  Give examples?

Does this mean that poor people shouldn't be entitled to welfare benefits either, because then they would have no incentive to improve their lives?  Because some people really believe this, even if tens of thousands of people die annually due to no healthcare insurance in America alone, and economic recession fueled by the reckless selfishness of banks and businesses has left millions unemployed.

Let's put it this way:

Communism has always resulted to countries being shitholes, no exceptions.
Capitalism has resulted in some countries being shitholes, mostly countries being rediculusly rich, more so than at any point in their past history.
Some times the same countries, divided by 2, end up shitholes on the communist part, but super rich on the capitalist part (n. Korea vs S. Korea, West vs East Germany, Hong Kong vs pre-90's China etc)

Ergo

Communism creates shitholes.

There's your citation. When all the results of communism is "the country is shithole" the weight of evidence that communism doesn't ALWAYS produces shitholes falls on you.

You need to prove me why communism isn't a failure. I can just point at examples.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: MrShine on August 11, 2012, 02:53:20 am
Infamy whore
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 02:54:36 am
Infamy whore

It is you that wants to keep the ban on Panos

 :(
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Smoothrich on August 11, 2012, 03:08:55 am
Let's put it this way:

Communism has always resulted to countries being shitholes, no exceptions.
Capitalism has resulted in some countries being shitholes, mostly countries being rediculusly rich, more so than at any point in their past history.
Some times the same countries, divided by 2, end up shitholes on the communist part, but super rich on the capitalist part (n. Korea vs S. Korea, West vs East Germany, Hong Kong vs pre-90's China etc)


Actually, North Korea was wildly successful compared to South Korea until the 70s, under state directed economic development.  South Korea was one of the poorest nations in the world while North Korea saw amazing success, until South Korea started integrating more into a globalized economy, while North Korea suffered isolationism and mismanagement. 

Economics and social policy can't be trivialized into "being given equal opportunities will make everyone lazy" and using that argument as the crux of anti-communism is just silly.  Its also a terrible strawman used to argue against social support networks like unemployment, nationalized healthcare, unions, workers rights and child labor laws, and so on.  E.g. "welfare queens."

And its funny when you say capitalism can make countries ridiculously rich, when usually its just a very very select few being ridiculously rich, while millions are born poor and die poor with little chance to do anything about it regardless of the GDP and low low corporate tax rates.  Most frustratingly in America is how the amazingly rich can get away with paying less taxes then middle and lower class families due to exploiting the self-serving system (laws by the rich for the rich campaign donors).  Its to the point in some American cities that they literally can no longer afford fire or police departments, and the mere suggestion of raising or reforming tax so the successes of the few can help the many will make you unelectable.

Complete state control of economic development of course ends in failure, but the main point I want to make in this thread is that free-market capitalism should be tempered with social justice and equality in order to create an ideal society.  Businesses have the right to make money, but every person should have the right to fair living wages, health care, and citizenship.  These things should not be mutually exclusive.  In many Americans' eyes however, it is.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Farrix on August 11, 2012, 03:25:01 am
So does anyone else notice the pattern in smooth's post of picking and choosing only the facts that support his opinions while dismissing and denigrating any point that is in conflict with his opinion? This is typical of modern politics. Rather sad really. Let me go ahead and clarify the other side of a few of his posts just so that you, the reader, can recieve a relatively balanced view of the topics in discussion.

First off: The soviets were able to survive and defeat the germans only because the germans had to fight a two front war (three if you count africa). If america had not invaded chocolate chip cookie held europe then it is my supposition that the germans would have had a much easier time supplying their eastern army with the food and weapons whose lack there-of was the primary cause of their eastern defeat. If they didn't have to worry about the americans, they would have been able to fully invest in the russian war effort and moscow would have fallen.

Secondly: Mccarthy was censured in 1954 by an overwhelming majority in congress. He was a senator for something like 3 years. But yet you continue to assert that any patriot is automatically a racist. "Sand friend"...Really man? You do know that talking heads exist on the liberal side of politics as well as the conservatives right?

You say FDR was a 4 term president as if you are trying to imply that some form of long-term power-block is preferable to democracy. Yes FDR was a 4 term president. He served as president for 12 years. I agree with you about the 1% issue. Many scholars assert that corporate greed is what led to the great depression and I would tend to agree.

What really pisses me off about your post is the fact that you quote my statement about endless bitching without including or even referencing the absolute key statement at the end of my post that clarifies the entire statement which you quoted. Then after completely corrupting the entire purpose of my post, you continue by basically calling me a chocolate chip cookie sympathizer. WTF man? Are you intentionally ignoring my posts, such as the one saying that we as a country don't put on the blinders and perhaps we should accept some of our flaws and not expect perfection from ourselves or our country.

Man, you took my posts and instead of actually considering the points that were present in them, decided to use them as an avenue to present your opinions to the community instead of actually engaging in a debate.

The quality of your post is rather depressing.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 03:36:03 am
yeah your absolutely right, we aren't innocent virgins. We are the most powerful country in the world and we've used that power to benefit our countrymen without murdering millions of minorities/religious groups. Looking at the history of the world and the history of the most powerful nations in the world's past, I'd say that's a pretty damn good accomplishment.

I'm proud of this country, I'm proud of our accomplishments, and I'm proud that we do not force our populace to put on the blinders and that we accept our flaws and are still able to maintain a sense of morality and consciousness despite having the power to force our will on the rest of the world.

You`re talking about "we". At what point YOU contributed to it (despite the fact that your opinion is err...pretty patriotic.. :D)
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: HardRice on August 11, 2012, 03:37:07 am
This actually invoked an intelligent(I guess.) discussion, +1 for that, Gomer.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 03:41:27 am
Actually, North Korea was wildly successful compared to South Korea until the 70s, under state directed economic development.  South Korea was one of the poorest nations in the world while North Korea saw amazing success, until South Korea started integrating more into a globalized economy, while North Korea suffered isolationism and mismanagement. 

Economics and social policy can't be trivialized into "being given equal opportunities will make everyone lazy" and using that argument as the crux of anti-communism is just silly.  Its also a terrible strawman used to argue against social support networks like unemployment, nationalized healthcare, unions, workers rights and child labor laws, and so on.  E.g. "welfare queens."

And its funny when you say capitalism can make countries ridiculously rich, when usually its just a very very select few being ridiculously rich, while millions are born poor and die poor with little chance to do anything about it regardless of the GDP and low low corporate tax rates.  Most frustratingly in America is how the amazingly rich can get away with paying less taxes then middle and lower class families due to exploiting the self-serving system (laws by the rich for the rich campaign donors).  Its to the point in some American cities that they literally can no longer afford fire or police departments, and the mere suggestion of raising or reforming tax so the successes of the few can help the many will make you unelectable.

Complete state control of economic development of course ends in failure, but the main point I want to make in this thread is that free-market capitalism should be tempered with social justice and equality in order to create an ideal society.  Businesses have the right to make money, but every person should have the right to fair living wages, health care, and citizenship.  These things should not be mutually exclusive.  In many Americans' eyes however, it is.

2 things:

1) the majority of the world (by population) is far richer than 100 years go. So no, the majority isn't "millions are born poor and die poor with little chance to do anything about it regardless of the GDP and low low corporate tax rates" In fact, quite the opposite. The Chinese were starving to death 50 years ago. Today, while not the richest people, are definitevely not chewing on trees to survive. That is 1.000.000 right there saved by bad, evil capitalism and capitalist trade.

2) South Korea was NOT unsuccessful until the 70's. In fact, it was quite successful, although not as much as when it embraced neo-liberal capitalism (why do you even use that arguement? It doesn't work in your favor). And north Korea, by the % of their GDP, was the single most subsidized communist country by the USSR. Almost all of their projects were funded by the USSR and were COMPLETELY useless. The towering Hotels one sees there (that nobody uses) were from the USSR. And even then there were extreme food shortages. This is completely obvious when one looks at the complete economic meltdown when the subsidies stopped in the 90's.


edit: also, shouldn't this be on off-topic or something?
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Farrix on August 11, 2012, 03:47:30 am
You`re talking about "we". At what point YOU contributed to it (despite the fact that your opinion is err...pretty patriotic.. :D)

I would have joined the marines out of high school if I could have. Sadly enough I've been a type1 diabetic since I was 8 and that option was taken from me accordingly. My father was a sergeant in the green berets during vietnam and my grandfather a private in the italian campaign during WWII. My family has greatly contributed to this country and I have contributed in a small way by applying (waiting for a response) to the peace corps and assisting my community in a small way through the masons. Please don't question my contributions. I consider myself a very supportive and patriotic american and I believe my actions have gone towards proving this.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 11, 2012, 03:51:54 am
I would have joined the marines out of high school if I could have. Sadly enough I've been a type1 diabetic since I was 8 and that option was taken from me accordingly. My father was a sergeant in the green berets during vietnam and my grandfather a private in the italian campaign during WWII. My family has greatly contributed to this country and I have contributed in a small way by applying (waiting for a response) to the peace corps and assisting my community in a small way through the masons. Please don't question my contributions. I consider myself a very supportive and patriotic american and I believe my actions have gone towards proving this.

Brainwash is the best wash eh? "I would if I could", stopped reading there...
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 03:54:59 am
I would have joined the marines out of high school if I could have. Sadly enough I've been a type1 diabetic since I was 8 and that option was taken from me accordingly. My father was a sergeant in the green berets during vietnam and my grandfather a private in the italian campaign during WWII. My family has greatly contributed to this country and I have contributed in a small way by applying (waiting for a response) to the peace corps and assisting my community in a small way through the masons. Please don't question my contributions. I consider myself a very supportive and patriotic american and I believe my actions have gone towards proving this.

I don't even see why you need to apologize quite honestly. Jokes and "herpderp hamburger-eatting machines" aside, America has been overall a positive force in the world. Yes, it has its faults. Yes, Iraq was a wrong war. Yes, attacking Iran will be idiotic, but if the US hadn't, for example, helped South Korea can you imagine how many more Koreans would suffer today? Or if the USA hadn't protected my country, Greece how much more in shit would we be today? (yes, I am not even joking). Or if the US hadn't entered the war and Russia had taken over mainland Europe and turned it all into "eastern block"?

The world would be a worse one today. Be proud of what you are.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: owens on August 11, 2012, 05:02:20 am
Communism works better than democracy. In all democracies money=power. Look at that bitch rineheart i would kill that pig if a had the chance. Already controls the government, bathes in gold, controls the workforce, is declared a hero and is buying into the media. I would like to see that fat bitch earn $1 like workers have to. On top of all that she has managed to manipulate the government to decrease the number of australian skilled workers in the future so that cheap foreign labour is justified.

die bitch die
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: TurmoilTom on August 11, 2012, 05:07:20 am
you'r

You glorious little troll...
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on August 11, 2012, 05:19:59 am
Communism works better than democracy. In all democracies money=power. Look at that bitch rineheart i would kill that pig if a had the chance. Already controls the government, bathes in gold, controls the workforce, is declared a hero and is buying into the media. I would like to see that fat bitch earn $1 like workers have to. On top of all that she has managed to manipulate the government to decrease the number of australian skilled workers in the future so that cheap foreign labour is justified.

die bitch die

Word.

That is something we can both agree on.

I just hope people stop electing her and Clive Palmers cronies. Newman won the election in Queensland by basically only saying "I'm not that other guy!" and for the last 4 months the dude has just smashed and destroyed everything he can. Any organization that isn't heavily involved or investing in his political party has had it's funding either reduced substantially or cut all together, his a pro at being a dick head.

Him and Abbot are best bum buddies too so it makes me a bit terrified to think what will happen if that flake gets in charge, especially with his biggoted idiotic rhetoric about China and foreign ownership of land.

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99% of the forums are reading this ^ and thinking... what's who now?
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Miley on August 11, 2012, 06:31:17 am
your* -_- Lol...
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Farrix on August 11, 2012, 06:48:19 am
I don't even see why you need to apologize quite honestly. Jokes and "herpderp hamburger-eatting machines" aside, America has been overall a positive force in the world. Yes, it has its faults. Yes, Iraq was a wrong war. Yes, attacking Iran will be idiotic, but if the US hadn't, for example, helped South Korea can you imagine how many more Koreans would suffer today? Or if the USA hadn't protected my country, Greece how much more in shit would we be today? (yes, I am not even joking). Or if the US hadn't entered the war and Russia had taken over mainland Europe and turned it all into "eastern block"?

The world would be a worse one today. Be proud of what you are.

Thank you for approaching this topic in a rational manner. I believe your points are valid and in no way biased. I also do not see why I would need to apologize for my opinions. I feel that they are also rational. Thank you for your support. On behalf of my country, I do appreciate it.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Gomer on August 11, 2012, 06:54:20 am
Fuck you Gomer, your trollish fuck is just so poor, go get some burgers and leave us alone.
A) Burgers are awesome
B) I will be muted shortly don't worry
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Earthdforce on August 11, 2012, 06:55:37 am
Communism was never intended to be nothing more than a thought.

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never...nothing?


double negative = positive?
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 06:56:05 am
A) Burgers are awesome

Word   :!:
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Gomer on August 11, 2012, 07:01:12 am
Word   :!:
I had a hot dog today and I could think was... Damn I wish this was a burger.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Arathian on August 11, 2012, 07:37:20 am
I had a hot dog today and I could think was... Damn I wish this was a burger.

I know bro.

Yesterday I ate a cheeseburger and couldn't stop wishing it was a double cheeseburger.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Gomer on August 11, 2012, 08:08:40 am
I know bro.

Yesterday I ate a cheeseburger and couldn't stop wishing it was a double cheeseburger.
Fries are good as well...
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 11, 2012, 12:19:10 pm
never...nothing?


double negative = positive?

Whoops... "never, anything" must be a better combination... Where has my head been again...
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Turkhammer on August 11, 2012, 08:21:58 pm
Communism may not be the worst ideology in theory. But in reality it is by far the worst.
Don't even mention YMCA. That's nothing in comparison with communism.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

Very difficult to distinguish between two pieces of shit.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Turkhammer on August 11, 2012, 08:27:22 pm
Word.

That is something we can both agree on.

I just hope people stop electing her and Clive Palmers cronies. Newman won the election in Queensland by basically only saying "I'm not that other guy!" and for the last 4 months the dude has just smashed and destroyed everything he can. Any organization that isn't heavily involved or investing in his political party has had it's funding either reduced substantially or cut all together, his a pro at being a dick head.

Him and Abbot are best bum buddies too so it makes me a bit terrified to think what will happen if that flake gets in charge, especially with his biggoted idiotic rhetoric about China and foreign ownership of land.

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99% of the forums are reading this ^ and thinking... what's who now?

Neither one of you would exchange the system you live under for any of the communist systems that have ever been created.  I just love "Gucci Commies".  They are all teary eyed over the wonders of communism while they drive Mercedes and wear designer clothing.
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Turkhammer on August 11, 2012, 08:30:36 pm
You can't use the fact that millions were killed by people that called themselves communists to value an ideology that does not justify any of these actions. The people are to blame, not the ideology, which is rather sound in theory. Marx was an optimist though, we've all seen how well it works in practice though, certain individuals are to blame for that though, not the ideology.

Condemn totalitarianism, not communism.

Gotta condemn it Teeth.  Communism fosters mediocrity.  It's human nature not to try harder than the next guy if your work is not rewarded commensurately. 
Title: Re: Communism? You'r thoughts?
Post by: Turkhammer on August 11, 2012, 08:32:27 pm
"Communism" is plainly false and empty rhetoric that has been primarily used to justify totalitarian regimes that strip away individual liberty and dignity, hijacking the valid concern of equality and the dangers of unchecked capitalism.

Instead people should turn to platforms of social democracy, government mandated systems that ensure equal social rights like education, healthcare, unions, and no discrimination based on gender race religion or orientation, founded in the post-Marxist liberal socialism school of thought.

The "welfare state" is the derogatory term for this kind of system but I think it would be more accurate to say "Not putting corporate interests and individual wealth above the prosperity of an entire people" State instead.

Sadly America veers hard right of this line of thought, because our right-wing citizens are so absurdly backwards, our "conservative" politicians can hijack their barbaric positions on social issues to blindside their base with an entirely profit/corporation driven agenda that does more to deprive these commonly uneducated, underemployed citizens of fulfilling lives (no healthcare, no jobs, no education, no credit) then gays getting married or women getting birth control ever could.

Socialist thought is way out of the mainstream in America, and in fact is some sort of boogey man.  President Obama managing to pass through a watered down, practically inconsequential baby steps of health care reform so that insurance companies can't literally drop you causing you to die the moment you get too sick and some other things, doing this has branded him an Islamic Fascist Socialist Communist friend to at least 1/3 of America, most of which don't even believe he is American and would probably spit on him/kill him if they had the chance.

Fuck America, and fuck you Gomer.

And fuck you back from America.