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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Realism Discussion => Topic started by: Paches on August 10, 2012, 08:16:02 am
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i know people complain of getting there arse's owned by range, but isn't this suposed to be a realistic game? Not a whine because you can't use a shield game?
I personally think the time it takes to draw the arrows on all bows is rediculiosly low, compared to real life where a bow could be loaded and drawed to full power in a second, armor piercing arrows should be insta killing you when piercing your scull, get over it, if 2H weapons can swing like it weighs 5LB in full plate armor i think bows should at the very least draw a realistic speed.
Any comments other then the crying about you not surviving an arrow sticking out your head, or a couple sticking in your chest?
Leg shots should do less damage though, doesn't make sense someone dies with two or three arrows to the leg, maybe a speed reduction?
I dunno how well the moders are for cRPG but an easy all weapon balance but keeping things real (which would make it more realistic, who can swing a 2H for long periods of time and not get winded) Is to simply add in a stamina feature, bow draws require stamina, weapon swings, blocking, maybe if you feel energetic add a sprinting function that consumes stamina (or not, prolly balance out archery some more for the criers if you did though, so people can sprint up to an archer, less "getting pew pewed" time)
Any thoughts on this? I'm sure it would improve the game drastically, and remove a lot of the complaints, stamina should prolly go up with agi and athletics, and if you add sprint function it should run faster/consume less stamina with athletics.
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balance > realism, and with this being a game (and not exactly a AAA title), there are only certain things that can be made realistic while maintaining any semblance of balance. Ranged is fine as it is (although I do complain bitterly about throwing :P).
Oh, and stamina is a god awful feature for a game to have. A nightmare to balance, and does nothing but limit people. Spam is already very easy to counter (And I use a 69 speed weapon).
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Haha, well i just get annoyed because of how limited Bows are on being offensive, specially the time this game is supposed to take place, there were plenty of high ranking/renowned men that were strictly bow based, stories being told of how they could even fight in close combat with a bow, so the fact that it takes about 3 seconds of death time to draw back the bow is rediculios
And the point of stamina if to limit you, so you don't just swing spam, actually need a bit of brain power, you know that thing that keeps your body working? Mindless hack and slash is fun in all but my first impression was this game was supposed to be more realistic, not just some fantasy demigod fights of mind numbing easy mode.
Anyways, i still think it would improve it incredibly, even with a few people maybe rage quiting, but i'm sure a lot more rejoining us in turn
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Just wondering.. how much do you think a 2 handed weapon weighs? Just curious.
Plus like Caita said already, stamina would be a very bad feature for this game to have. Spam is pretty easy to counter and only works when you're caught offguard by spam or have issues blocking/chambering.
As for the limbs suggestion, I'm not sure they can do that. Although they did it for the horses so.. maybe. Not sure it'd be a good idea though. Archers have been nerfed a lot. I like the idea of it however.
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It's supposed to be a balanced game.
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There is a big difference between bad and good archers.
A good archer is still a god in this game. Much more of value to his team than any other class.
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It's supposed to be a balanced game.
Did i not give a way to balance and add realism?
Also i know spam is easy to counter at times but still annoying and makes things seem to hack and slash and not so strategy and proess.
I think a typical claymore weights like 5-8lb, but that's not that large, i used to have a friend who's dad was an actual blacksmith, and mose two handed weapons are around ten+ pounds, unless lightened of course, but the point is, let's see you swing a claymore like that.
But more importantly i'm sure someone can, but not forever, hence stamina :P
i'm not talking about some "three swings later you're out exausted" unless you have like 0 agi, more like every three agi adds another swing of stamina, same for every athletic point? Seems balanced enough, i mean it should regen at all times, and full regen from empty in like a good flat 5ish seconds, maybe a little less like around 4 for more fast paced combat, still makes spamming out of the question though, and the increased draw speed on bows, the bow should take a good two or so swings worth of stamina to do, that would keep the rain of arrows to a minimum.
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Just out of curiosity, do you believe native archery is a more realistic take than crpg's?
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There is a big difference between bad and good archers.
A good archer is still a god in this game. Much more of value to his team than any other class.
I wouldn't say more value than any other class, but archers like AdalWulf really show that archery is still incredibly good if played by a skilled player.
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Just out of curiosity, do you believe native archery is a more realistic take than crpg's?
Little bit more then cRPG, but the damage to armored units is still higher then realistic
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Mkay, plate armor makes you invulnerable to anything, except 2 handed piercing and blunt weapons.
An arbalest might work at 10-12 meters.
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?41041-Armour-FAQs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqC_squo6X4
Also, knights were well trained, and considering how short the rounds are, stamina doesn't make sense.
There's also a link about a pdf regarding arrows agaisnt different sort of armor, but I lost it.
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I took the liberty of moving this thread to the, ahem, appropiate forum.
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Little bit more then cRPG, but the damage to armored units is still higher then realistic
Yeah no comment.
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I would love a sprint function, more like a charge thing. Like once a round you can do a charge which makes you run faster, with resulting knockdown if you run into someone or huge speed bonus when you land an attack. Also coupled with a war cry.
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I wouldn't say more value than any other class, but archers like AdalWulf really show that archery is still incredibly good if played by a skilled player.
A good lancer can pretty much give his team a round win on his own on a small server.
If there is one good archer in the enemy team however, it's the other way around.
So, the acher is definately the most OP class in the game in the hands of a good player.
No doubt about it.
But this is of course, from my point of view as a lancer.
The archer is naturally my worst enemy.
Note: I don't think archery needs a nerf (I think the game is balanced as it is).
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I personally think Stamina should have been introduced to the game at the beginning, and this is even more controversial, I think it should have been restricted to first person view.
But since Warband didn't release with these features, and c-rpg has been going for what, 2 years? without them, it would be a hassle to add, and really fuck over a lot of people.
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I think it should have been restricted to first person view.
:lol: I'm not sure I would have played this game if that was the case. I'm a third person guy. Unless I play a shooter, which crpg isn't.
Even when I play range I stick to 3rd person. However, I don't zoom out. Can't be bothered doing it every round.
But since Warband didn't release with these features, and c-rpg has been going for what, 2 years? without them, it would be a hassle to add, and really fuck over a lot of people.
Yeah, I agree. Would be a bad idea adding such a major feature now.
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Forced first person would get rid of nearly every helicopter though. I think I might get sick trying a helicopter in first person. :lol:
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Did you pay the guy who upvoted your comment on archery? :lol:
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I think it should have been restricted to first person view.
Dear sweet lord everything, YES!
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Realism, yet you take the time to spell 'plox' instead of 'please'.
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