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No cookies for you! >=3
In all honesty, with equal ping, I think NA would win in a melee battle of the best due to the sheer number of high PS/IF builds. It doesn't matter if you hit 'em five times and they hit you once, dead is dead.I'm going to side with a mix of above posts, but largely with kalam.
A large scale free for all would be probably favour EU, since they've got more tactical clans than we do, with a larger, more experienced pool to draw from.
I think they both suck/rock.
Honestly, my highest scores have been on the EU servers and my ping is an average of 214 there.
I am not the best player out there, but there is something extremely wrong with me having a 14 kill 0 death archery record at the end of a match with 214 ping on EU, or alternatively going into NA siege on melee and being in the top five with nothing but attacks and feints (Now that I was taught how to properly use them with foot work) and no blocks.
EU can not dodge range to save their lives on average, and NA has a severe probem when it comes to blocking (If I kill you in melee 5 times in a best of 9 match, something is suspect... I am only good with the pike, if I pull out my No Dachi and still clean your clock, you should be VERY insulted)... Speaking of which... did I mention that I suck, and yet kill people one on one in NA when I use my pike? yes it can stab, but it can also feint into an overhead... If I can overhead block the painfully slow overhead attack animation on a pike, then so should you... especially if I just did it twice already on your skull moments before.
I should now mention the"Can_You_Down_Block""CanYouBlockDown_PGI" character on NA that somehow manages to get K/D ratios of 4 or higher? And yes, she ONLY uses down attacks...
I dunno... I think both servers have an equal ratio of good and bad players, though I dare say the EU displays better large-scale clan tactics some days, but the NA pulls ahead with better squad-level tactics for clans.
Australia has the most skilled players for some reason. You go there and it seems to be 80% BKS quality on the peaks.
I just find it fascinating that the class preferences for EU and NA differ so radically. I still wonder why NA has a massive throwing spam and EU has a massive bow spam.
Also a few weird things, like EU having for the most part rubbish Tin Cans while NA has a few that are deadly (Like when BKS_Rhade goes into plate? Scary), and conversely NA has a large percentage of Cav that are infatuated with the moronic tactic of focusing on one infantry man with constant circles that get them stabbed, while EU cav seem to be more intelligent...
I dunno... Where is the "Neither" vote option?
I want a cookie.
EDIT: I do think though that the NA servers win the award for "Highest number of egotistical players," they do have more of those then EU, certainly.
No offense Tears, but are you infatuated with BKS?? A lot of your recent posts have been constantly praising them, I don't see them being a noticeably better clan. Right now the clans most consistently winning on banner balance are usually Chaos, BRD/Cavalieres(FCC), ATS, and Occitan, where most of the clan members are often at the top of the charts in banner balanced fights, haven't really seen the same consistency yet with BKS, could be they are a small clan or just haven't made enough of a presence yet being so new from native, I don't know.
Anyway, on topic, there is no way to ever test this till a server is place in the middle of the atlantic. I have played on both a lot and they both have general patterns of strengths and weaknesses that could be better or worse under different battle and siege conditions. No way to see a real clear winner.
Sounds jealous.There is one way to tell that, but it won't happen.
On topic, I think it's impossible to tell.
Sounds jealous. None of those clans you listed are really even close to us, on an even numbered basis especially.
On topic, I think it's impossible to tell.
I do think though that the NA servers win the award for "Highest number of egotistical players," they do have more of those then EU, certainly.
Not trying to be mean, man. Just being honest, I really havent noticed you guys on the servers. You are welcome to do clan battles with equal number of fighters, its been done before, quite fun, usually first team to 3 wins. Not a bad way to get your name out there and get some recognition. I was kind of curious about your page length write-up on goretooth, seems like you haven't been playing very long and already have massive critiques of administrators from your limited experience and are being cocky about your clan's skills, might want to show some humility, goes a long way to getting respect as a confident, competent fighter, maybe take a cue from some great but humble fighters like oberyn, manofwar and cyranule.
BkS are pretty decent players, I just don't think you are as special as you think here in Crpg. In native you certainly do your NA Native stuff well.
You guys are certainly skilled in duels. I haven't seen any teamwork though. You fit perfectly in with everyone else in NA :).
We don't do RP shieldwalls or shit like that, but we get shit done just fine together, actually.I said nothing about forming shield walls and such. They are good in certain scenarios though. I'd actually like to play with you guys some time.
"Teamwork" isn't just getting in vent and saying "CAVALRY FLANK LEFT, FORM A SHIELD WALL." etc etc. We play very well together and our cohesion is extremely efficient.
Oh and if some rich person like that exists, just put the money to hosting quality less leggy servers :(. I can't play NA servers past 60-70 players since they get so laggy, both in server lag and the ping rising tons.
the only difference i spotted is people raging about archers (especialy those that play it smart) way more on NA than on EU (and when i say raging, i mean really RAGING - votekick polls, constant bitching in chat, teamwounding...).yup, indeed. just had another incident on NA that got us both kicked - the griefer and me, since meanwhile I am so sick of it that I turn round and kill the bastard if they keep kicking me or throw shit in my back while I try to shoot enemies...
NA is better. On EU we have the Turks (Kapikulu). Some players have some skill, but I'm not going near any of them in battles or sieges. I always get teamhit/killed when I do.
No offense Tears, but are you infatuated with BKS?? A lot of your recent posts have been constantly praising them, I don't see them being a noticeably better clan. Right now the clans most consistently winning on banner balance are usually Chaos, BRD/Cavalieres(FCC), ATS, and Occitan, where most of the clan members are often at the top of the charts in banner balanced fights, haven't really seen the same consistency yet with BKS, could be they are a small clan or just haven't made enough of a presence yet being so new from native, I don't know.
Anyway, on topic, there is no way to ever test this till a server is place in the middle of the atlantic. I have played on both a lot and they both have general patterns of strengths and weaknesses that could be better or worse under different battle and siege conditions. No way to see a real clear winner.
Actually I have been mentioning them because 1 they are well known and 2 to infuriate three people who know me. Occitan is a very good clan, I agree on that, as for chaos while they are extremely skilled they are shit for large scale team work, though extremely skilled, like BKS I suppose but without the excuse that BKS is small where as Chaos is large enough they should be practicing large scale tactics instead of wandering around in micro clusters or like a Celtic horde. ATS is also a good mention yes.
Notice that every few weeks I rotate through the clans I mention, a bit ago it was BRD and before that it was members of Chaos/RS and I think I went through a phase of talking about Acre. This is due to me spectating clans for a week or two before moving on, to see what the sense of team play, skills, and composition is.
As for the NA raging more about range, I do think that they are blooming Silly for that, as the EU has significantly more range ( though less throwing) and they complain much less.
Admins are far better on Eu servers, the little time I've played on NA servers before being perm banned for arguing with a hypocritical admin proved to me that most of my deaths were from throwing weapons and archers and I died from melee less on NA server than EU ones. I noticed far higher numbers of archers on NA servers than EU servers also. I rarely bumped into any skilled players on NA servers, on EU servers many skilled players use light armour and suprise you, because they look like peasants, on NA server people who look like peasants generally are peasants and the good players tend to wear heavier armour most of the time, especially ones who become infamous/well known by the servers community for having a high score.
Alot more shit talking goes on the NA servers but if it doesn't meet admin aproval expect a perm ban.
Also, I just played on EU 2, and apparently its retarded tuesday, which is what the players told me, not something I invented. Everyone wears plate and rides horses, SOMEONE GOT SOME SPLAININ TO DO!!!! Wheres da skill in dat!?!??!
+1 kudos, that actaully sounds like a great way to improve fighting skill but also learn tactics that work and don't work. Really like the idea of watching good fighters and improving your own style of play from observation, hadn't really done the team tactic observation a try yet though, probably will now. It would be cool if you got the chance to sit in on teamchat while you did so and see some of the background coordiantion. By the way what do you thinka re the strengths and weaknesses of the Fallen?, I know they are a little more EU based, but I always like watching Fallen_Loki coordinating really well with Fallen_Manhammer on siege.
Give me screenshots so I can ban them all!!! I told everyone on NA that they must play like pros until this poll is over, if they are disobeying me I will show them the error of their ways
If this were a poll to nominate the worst, I'd nominate Siege despite it not being on the list. Siege seems to be No Block Only Hit, the Gamemode. I feel like a cheater when I manually block in siege, because almost no one seems to, EU or NA.
Coming from the guy who uses Milanese plate, a man cleaver, a winged helm and rides on a Cataphract?!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!
Coming from England I play EU servers mainly, if I am up late sometimes I play on NA servers and generally have a good experience on those barring alot of chat rage sometimes. NA siege though, I don't know what happened to it as it used to be fine, but I played on it again last night and half of the players just spammed side swings at enemies who were on the OTHER SIDE of a team mate.Have to disagree, there is no shortage of ff from melee, retardo cav, missiles in eu.
I lost count of how many times I was slashed in the back when I was simply standing on the spot or moving within a 1 metre square, also see many team mates run into a group of other team mates who were killing an enemy, spamming sideswings and wounding them all and not even touching the enemy.
Overall I'd of course have to go with EU, I seem to come across less side swing spamming team wounding players and more players who actually play for the team, rather than themself. I also feel the level of skill is higher on EU in general, I come across far more hard fights on EU servers than I do on NA, but that is most likely down to the fact there are just more EU players thus there is generally alot more highly skilled players. I also saw more chat rage on the NA Battle server last night than I have seen on the EU servers in a whole week, probably two.
There is less rage on EU because the majority do not speak or write english
Have to disagree, there is no shortage of ff from melee, retardo cav, missiles in eu.
On the plus side, it seems larger maps makes it easier to find someone willing to melee.
We should get a server in the middle of the North Atlantic and play there together!
We should get a server in the middle of the North Atlantic and play there together!
EU is bestest!
Perhaps that might be your experience, but playing on NA siege last night was my worst time playing cRPG in months when it comes down to careless team mates, enough to make me not want to ever join NA siege again.I rarely play siege, I was refering to battle.
So Fallen hit the NA servers today. Lots of fun. Many props for being able to compete on the NA servers despite the ping disadvantage, guys.
Lots of fun, and really gave us a kick in the butt to get our rears in gear for Strategus!!
I wasn't really feeling rolled at anytime. Fallen was just spamming range from rooftops, most of them aren't even close to being a decent archer. But you proved tactics over individual skill can prevail I guess.
I wasn't really feeling rolled at anytime. Fallen was just spamming range from rooftops, most of them aren't even close to being a decent archer. But you proved Quantity over Quality can prevail I guess.
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Is there anybody consistently better than harmless peasant on EU? I find him quite tough to beat in 1v1, tougher than almost any other player in any gear [that I've fought] (Socrates consistently sends me for a whirl though, props there too I guess).
I wasn't really feeling rolled at anytime. Fallen was just spamming range from rooftops, most of them aren't even close to being a decent archer. But you proved Quantity over Quality can prevail I guess.
I hope you'll stick around for non-roof maps.
I loved the way the Fallen stuck together when they came to NA, the way the melee would protect the archers when their team was on the ground and moving. That showed sound thinking and a good grasp of tactics. However, it's very true that camping a roof/tower/wall doesn't really = tactics, it ='s exploiting game mechanics. I was really disappointed when the Fallen all fled back to EU after it was announced that we'd be moving to a random plains map. Imo, random plains are the best place to show your skills tactically, when there's no place to camp and hide. Those are the maps where a good leader can shine, and a clan can really show their stuff. Losing on an open plains map isn't about not having the worst duellers, it's about not being able to respond to the enemies movements because you can't work as a team. If you guys ever invade NA again, I hope you'll stick around for non-roof maps, I've always had a lot of respect for Beauchamp as a tactician.
Even with the ping, and even when ATS goes all black armor :)
All i can say is: come to EU1 between 10 pm and 2 am CET (thats GMT +1) and let's do some tactics.
hi all !
i accidentally stumbled upon this thread, read all 6 pages in 10 min :D
since i've been banned on eu servers, i have been playing ALOT on us servers in the last 5 days and i must say i was quite suprised by the situation over there.
altough i had really bad ping (130-190), i had way better scores then on eu. way more people suck in melee, altough there are some fine players playing in NA.
admins seemed quite nice, there was some kicking/banning going on but only for just causes like team bleeding or ta/tk.
with all of u guys mentioning chocolate chip cookie regime in na servers, i would rather say that for eu.
there are some nab admins here who think they touched god's balls when they got that title.
admins on na also always asked what happened and acted accordingly. on eu, u get banned or kicked (losing multipliers) without explanation or even word.
and also, people in us are obviously more tolerant to nicknames people have.
i've seen people named Rape, ___RAPIST, ... and people didnt judge them.
here, in eu, my nickname is seen as offensive and i get reminded of that so often with warnings or ban requests, that it looks ridiculous.
so, i must assume people really are on the slow side on eu servers since the rape train is an expression for a bunch of people rushing through enemy lines, killing everything.
its not like i wear a shirt with that nick in public, there i would expect reactions like that.
so, if i had to chose, it would be NA (voted), but i have to play on eu cuz of ping.
Damn !
This Forum topic is redundant. Australia is the best in the world. no joke any of our players could take on ten or 15 NA players easy. EU isnt much better.
The Australian server will be up soon sit in and witness Bernard_The_Above average fight Roman. than weep at your inability to play this game.
Anyway, how come NA have better drama threads nowdays?
Because in a battle of egotistical bastards, we would win by a large margin.