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Title: New Japan armor
Post by: Inferio on July 01, 2012, 11:41:15 am
Hi guys!
I found very cool japan armor
I think what this samurai armor are better than samurai armor what we have now
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Download>>>> here (http://mountandblade.nexusmods.com/mods/3666/)
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Vibe on July 01, 2012, 11:50:28 am
japan armor =/= cool
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Miwiw on July 01, 2012, 12:22:24 pm
Looks bad.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Muki on July 01, 2012, 12:25:21 pm
looks like some just added more colour to the current one we have other than that looks bad
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: HarunYahya on July 01, 2012, 12:28:09 pm
No more japan armor please okthxbye
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: _Tak_ on July 01, 2012, 12:36:57 pm
what we need is chinese armors, it's always japan, japanese samurais and ninjas, getting a bit sick of this shit:

80% of the chinese people never use talesworld so they never got the chance to post anything on there, plus not many of them speak good english, talesworld don't have any osp chinese armors, but here is an huge osp chinese armors pack that was released 1 month ago made by 血与钢 :
http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=266010&page=1#pid2864714

P.S , Shik you are chinese too so if you didn't find this great OSP pack in our homeland's forum then you are probably blind ;P

recently if you check on clan page there few clans that is made for the chinese theme ...plus CRPG already have so many chinese weapons

edit: there are links for the 1257AD mod, not sure about that.

the armors and weapons you saw it is a sub-mod made for 1257AD as an addon. The mod maker 血与钢 decided to put the models as OSP so any chinese mod makers can use it, if you go to that page again you will see he mention feel free to use all models


OP <- how many polys that armour has? looks really impressive...

wow, great stuff, is that realistic items or a bit fantasy? Anyway it'd be great to have some of them in cRPG :)

Do some research on Chinese's armors, that is exactly what they look like in those eras, i believe those armors were in the ming dynasty era but i could be wrong

Video for short: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SxyLCmfOnc


Start voting: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35209.0.html
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Miwiw on July 01, 2012, 12:40:21 pm
wow thats indeed amazing armor and weapons. But looks like a real big mod, not sure if they would make it .osp just for crpg.

edit: there are links for the 1257AD mod, not sure about that.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on July 01, 2012, 12:41:05 pm
No more japan armor please okthxbye
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on July 01, 2012, 12:47:08 pm
Looks bad.

Imo looks much better than the current model
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Miwiw on July 01, 2012, 12:49:19 pm
Sure, that doesnt make it look good though.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: HUtH on July 01, 2012, 12:53:19 pm
OP <- how many polys that armour has? looks really impressive...


what we need is osp chinese armors:

talesworld don't have any osp chinese armors, but here it is:
http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=266010&page=1#pid2864714
wow, great stuff, is that realistic items or a bit fantasy? Anyway it'd be great to have some of them in cRPG :)
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujin on July 01, 2012, 01:30:15 pm
First off, don't listen to haters. Instantly hating on weeabo stuff does not make you cool either.

The model looks better and more realistic than the current ones, the texture (especially the cuirass part) is somewhat lacking though imo , but can't say for sure due to the small size of the pics.

P.S. in all honesty , i doubt you'll be able to get this in the mod , so keep your hopes low.

P.P.S. the chinese stuff looks pretty neat, maybe a bit too fancy for my liking though.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Mlekce on July 01, 2012, 01:37:07 pm
what we need is osp chinese armors:

talesworld don't have any osp chinese armors, but here it is:
http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=266010&page=1#pid2864714

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that sky and terrain. :shock:
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: _Tak_ on July 01, 2012, 02:54:18 pm
that sky and terrain. :shock:

He used the lighting effect :P
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 01, 2012, 02:56:48 pm
fukken ugly!
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Brrrak on July 01, 2012, 03:49:03 pm
It's a much nicer model than the one we have from 2003.  If we're gonna keep Japanese armor in the game, that wouldn't be a bad revamp.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Tonyukuk on July 01, 2012, 04:13:06 pm
NO
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Prinz_Karl on July 01, 2012, 04:45:11 pm
The variety of chinese armor is just too big to add them it would double the page size we have now.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Tyr_ on July 01, 2012, 05:01:42 pm
I dont think we need a new japan armor, but the model of the current one should be replaced with the one you posted, looks much better (i always thought that samurai armor just needs some love too look awesome  :wink: )
As for the chinese stuff i'd say it looks rly nice, adding some of them would be cool.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on July 01, 2012, 05:16:38 pm
what we need is chinese armors, it's always japan, japanese samurais and ninjas, getting a bit sick of this shit:

80% of the chinese people never use talesworld so they never got the chance to post anything on there, plus not many of them speak good english, talesworld don't have any osp chinese armors, but here is an huge osp chinese armors pack that was released 1 month ago made by 血与钢 :
http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=266010&page=1#pid2864714

P.S , Shik you are chinese too so if you didn't find this great OSP pack in our homeland's forum then you are probably blind ;P

recently if you check on clan page there few clans that is made for the chinese theme ...plus CRPG already have so many chinese weapons

the armors and weapons you saw it is a sub-mod made for 1257AD as an addon. The mod maker 血与钢 decided to put the models as OSP so any chinese mod makers can use it, if you go to that page again you will see he mention feel free to use all models


Do some research on Chinese's armors, that is exactly what they look like in those eras, i believe those armors were in the ming dynasty era but i could be wrong


We already have some chinese armors.
For example the Lamellar armors (Vest,and heavy one)
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Shik on July 01, 2012, 05:44:44 pm
what we need is chinese armors, it's always japan, japanese samurais and ninjas, getting a bit sick of this shit:

80% of the chinese people never use talesworld so they never got the chance to post anything on there, plus not many of them speak good english, talesworld don't have any osp chinese armors, but here is an huge osp chinese armors pack that was released 1 month ago made by 血与钢 :
http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=266010&page=1#pid2864714

P.S , Shik you are chinese too so if you didn't find this great OSP pack in our homeland's forum then you are probably blind ;P
Wow, those are actually really good. I actually haven't looked at the Chinese forums in a long time, and I can't believe I missed those. Those are Song dynasty (960-1279) era armors, and very much historically accurate for the most part.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Momo on July 01, 2012, 05:47:33 pm
Fuck chinese armor, we need this, looks better than the current japanese armor. HATERS GONNA HATE.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on July 01, 2012, 06:00:58 pm
REMOVE SUSHI FROM PREMISES!

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Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Kastu on July 01, 2012, 06:39:16 pm
The chinese stuff seriously looks incredible... i want that
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: _Tak_ on July 01, 2012, 09:27:00 pm
Fuck chinese armor, we need this, looks better than the current japanese armor. HATERS GONNA HATE.

then whats the point of having chinese weapons in CRPG? If not adding these why not just remove all of them?


Wow, those are actually really good. I actually haven't looked at the Chinese forums in a long time, and I can't believe I missed those. Those are Song dynasty (960-1279) era armors, and very much historically accurate for the most part.

Should I make a thread saying *Attention* Petition to add chinese armors to the mod.(WITH PICTURES) to see how people feels?
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: IG_Saint on July 01, 2012, 11:26:17 pm
Wow, those are actually really good. I actually haven't looked at the Chinese forums in a long time, and I can't believe I missed those. Those are Song dynasty (960-1279) era armors, and very much historically accurate for the most part.

So add some of them. All we have at the moment are lots of european and middle eastern armours, with just 3, ugly, asian armours. It's about time we had some real variety.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Slamz on July 02, 2012, 12:19:45 am
It's a much nicer model than the one we have from 2003.  If we're gonna keep Japanese armor in the game, that wouldn't be a bad revamp.
This ^

If you're going to remove the samurai armor, remove it.

If you're going to keep it, then use a model that doesn't look like shit.  The model linked by the OP is a hell of a lot better looking than the one in the game now.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Teeth on July 02, 2012, 12:21:15 am
So add some of them. All we have at the moment are lots of european and middle eastern armours, with just 3, ugly, asian armours. It's about time we had some real variety.
Agreed, make the Chinese community and me happy, fuck euro-centrism!
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Leshma on July 02, 2012, 12:33:00 am
Saw samurai armor two weeks ago on warband nexus. Didn't make a thread for a reason...

On the other hand, chinese stuff looks cool. A lot of plates, could be useful to our mongolians (or Saracens :lol:). I dig it. Looks realistic and would fit in cRPG.

Samurai/ninja crap is a big no no!
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Frell on July 02, 2012, 02:57:39 am
We have enough wannabe samurai/ninja kids running around. Ill give chadz $300 to remove the black hood and katana for a week and see who doesn't QQ.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on July 02, 2012, 11:18:30 am
Well. There can't be too many wannabe knights around.

I'm not too fond of that samurai armour in that thread. Looks glossy which is easy to fix, but the textures don't look that good either.

The chinese stuff however looks great. Would love to see some of that ingame.

EDIT: While browsing further down on the chinese stuff I noticed this:
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Those look pretty awesome aswell.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 02, 2012, 01:05:35 pm
I'm a bit mixed about the J.a.p.a.n.e.s.e. armor, but those Chinese armor and weapons look great
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on July 02, 2012, 03:32:28 pm
We have enough wannabe samurai/ninja kids running around. Ill give chadz $300 to remove the black hood and katana for a week and see who doesn't QQ.

Instead we'd just use a HBS or a Longsword and see little difference.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Leshma on July 02, 2012, 03:57:47 pm
Difference in speed between katana and longsword is noticeable. You won't be able to spam it like katana.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Bobthehero on July 02, 2012, 04:01:50 pm
Well. There can't be too many wannabe knights around.

I'm not too fond of that samurai armour in that thread. Looks glossy which is easy to fix, but the textures don't look that good either.

The chinese stuff however looks great. Would love to see some of that ingame.

EDIT: While browsing further down on the chinese stuff I noticed this:
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Those look pretty awesome aswell.

Those are from 1257, I think, there was a small shitstorm on the TW Forums regarding Chineese people stealing 1257, or parts of.

We need more plate armor, someone make it happen, and give it a bevor :(
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: _Tak_ on July 02, 2012, 05:37:21 pm
Those are from 1257, I think, there was a small shitstorm on the TW Forums regarding Chineese people stealing 1257, or parts of.

We need more plate armor, someone make it happen, and give it a bevor :(

Yes, but not on this mod, this is a sub-mod addon for 1257 AD, and some of the crusader items are made by 血与钢, such as the crusader armor with cape, crusader kuyak with cape +++

the mod you are talking about with stealing is here: http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=281605&extra=page%3D1

Not on this one

we are just talking about chinese/ japanese here btw
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: dynamike on July 02, 2012, 05:47:03 pm
what we need is chinese armors, it's always japan, japanese samurais and ninjas, getting a bit sick of this shit:

80% of the chinese people never use talesworld so they never got the chance to post anything on there, plus not many of them speak good english, talesworld don't have any osp chinese armors, but here is an huge osp chinese armors pack that was released 1 month ago made by 血与钢 :
http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=266010&page=1#pid2864714


HOLY SHIT these all look awesome, even the crusader stuff! I am not playing either of these historic types, but I would love to see them in game!!
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Nehvar on July 02, 2012, 06:44:05 pm
Looks like it needs specular work.  Kinda has the covered in plastic wrap appearance to it.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on July 03, 2012, 08:19:21 pm
Difference in speed between katana and longsword is noticeable. You won't be able to spam it like katana.
True but I'm not much for spamming anyway, only vs tincans or shielders.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 03, 2012, 08:25:19 pm
Those are from 1257, I think, there was a small shitstorm on the TW Forums regarding Chineese people stealing 1257, or parts of.

We need more plate armor, someone make it happen, and give it a bevor :(

Are you kidding me? More Plate armor? 20 odd variations of Plate armor isn't enough? But when someone suggests to add some armor belonging to a culture, that doesn't even have any armor ingame, you're against it?
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: _Tak_ on July 03, 2012, 08:33:21 pm
Shik gave me the permission to make a new thread based on Chinese armors: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35209.0.html

if you want them to be added / or not help vote plz!
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Bobthehero on July 03, 2012, 10:06:26 pm
Are you kidding me? More Plate armor? 20 odd variations of Plate armor isn't enough? But when someone suggests to add some armor belonging to a culture, that doesn't even have any armor ingame, you're against it?

I clicked ''yes''

And yes, I do wish for more plate armor.

There's only 3 proper plate armor right now.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Brrrak on July 04, 2012, 05:15:15 pm
Buff variety

Also, I've never seen any OSPs containing Japanese brigandines or chainmails, just that stereotyped heavy lamellar plate stuff with the obnoxious kabuto.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 05, 2012, 03:08:06 pm
I clicked ''yes''

And yes, I do wish for more plate armor.

There's only 3 proper plate armor right now.

Sorry, I misread your post, about the adding of the Chinese armor. Got the impression you were against it. Apologies. But how do you only count 3 Plate armor? I went through the shop, there's at least 20

Buff variety

Also, I've never seen any OSPs containing weaboo brigandines or chainmails, just that stereotyped heavy lamellar plate stuff with the obnoxious kabuto.

Yeah, it's always that cliched Hollywood looking stuff as well, never something more Historical, especially when it comes to the Kabuto (The Kabuto always looks like that cliched Western depiction of a J.a.p.a.n.e.s.e. helmet, like something you would see in "James Clavell's Shogun", pretty conservative compared to most J.a.p.a.n.e.s.e. helmets) .

 if only we could get the "Onin no Ran" team involved with C-rpg somehow :D

I didn't know the J.a.p.a.n.e.s.e. used chainmail as an armor in its own right, always thought it was just an undercoat for their Lamellar armor, to cover the gaps
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Bobthehero on July 05, 2012, 03:13:29 pm
I skipped MnB plate armor and the churburg ones

By plate armor I mean really proper things, not corrazina or transitionnal, that ammounts to 10, the 2 blacks and then plate armor (the actual item) and up
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 05, 2012, 03:21:10 pm
Ah okay, not counting the Corrazhina, and Churburg. But why wouldn't you count them? They seem pretty much like Plate armor to me. How do you define Plate armor?
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: [ptx] on July 05, 2012, 03:26:44 pm
Well, still would be an upgrade over current jap armors. So +1 for a replacement.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Bobthehero on July 05, 2012, 03:59:37 pm
Corrazina are coats of plates, not plate armor. There's a difference.

I included churburg, I just... forgot about it the first time :/

Plate armor's anything where a whole plate of metal covers up the chest.
Important thing being that its a single plate, not a lot of small plates imbeed in leather, like the coat of plate, or the corrazina and not mail armor with plated arms and legs like the trantionnal armor (which is erm... the transition between mail armor and plate)

Edit: Black armor's actually 3/4 plate armor, not full plate, since it doesn't cover the arms.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Brrrak on July 05, 2012, 04:17:17 pm
I didn't know the Japanese used chainmail as an armor in its own right, always thought it was just an undercoat for their Lamellar armor, to cover the gaps

Well, I'm a little unclear as to whether they did or not.  I've seen sources which state that mail was only used to keep lamellar plates together as opposed to silk, but then I've also seen sources which show different articles of armor (maybe used under lamellar, but it might even not have been) which are actually called 鎖具足 (kusari gusoku, lit. chain armor.)  Whether or not it was used in battle in a period contemporaneous to the general timeline of the game (which is what? 7th cent. C.E. to mid-17th cent. C.E.?) I still don't know, and the only source I have for samurai wearing chain is one photo of some 19th century samurai on Wikipedia, which means I need to do more research I obviously know everything there is to know about Japanese mail.

Haven't found enough to reliably say samurai wore kusari, might do some more looking, might not.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 05, 2012, 04:49:44 pm
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I don't think C-rpg has a distinct timeline. Yeah I've heard of the Silk clothing worn under armor, it was supposed to trap arrows, and is considered the prototype/inspiration for Kevlar.

It may have been that, that chainmail the 19th Century Samurai was wearing in the photo was an imported European armor. It was known that some J.a.p.a.n.e.s.e. imported European plate armor, though I don't think it was used on a wide scale or mass produced. Just something the more wealthy Samurai could afford to do, so maybe some Chainmail could have been imported as well
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Bobthehero on July 06, 2012, 12:33:03 am
I read that they were quick to copy the beast plate of the first Portugese who they first had contact with, however the copy wasn't as good as the original, due to the poor quality of iron, and therefore of the steel.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Banok on July 06, 2012, 12:58:31 am
replace the current black ones with this, keep the current red one - I've always thought it was way better than others.

and yes chinese ones too plz

what we need is chinese armors, it's always japan, japanese samurais and ninjas, getting a bit sick of this shit:


why not both? yeah theres SO many japanese items... what 10 items? and theres almost as many chinese items already FYI
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 10, 2012, 08:09:06 pm
http://mbx.streetofeyes.com/index.php/topic,2803.0.html (http://mbx.streetofeyes.com/index.php/topic,2803.0.html)

According to the Onin no Ran team, it's a pretty accurate J.a.p.a.n.e.s.e. armor. More accurate than the current J.a.p.a.n.e.s.e. armor and the original Native ones.

The only problem is the shininess.

And Yeah Banok there's loads of J.a.p.a.n.e.s.e. gear, especially if you compare it to the amount of European gear we have
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Blade on July 10, 2012, 08:19:23 pm
Weeboos......  :evil:
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 10, 2012, 08:27:20 pm
:D That's rich coming from a guy called "Blade" he's a half Vampire who likes to run around with a Ninja sword, and generally likes to think he's one too
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: zagibu on July 10, 2012, 10:28:24 pm
:D That's rich coming from a guy called "Blade" he's a half Vampire who likes to run around with a Ninja sword, and generally likes to think he's one too
I wouldn't call his clumsy stomping "to run around", but otherwise you are mostly correct.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Blade on July 11, 2012, 04:52:56 am
double post lol
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Blade on July 11, 2012, 04:59:26 am
I love their swords, not their armor. Btw I am a vampire and I feast on the blood of my enemy's.  :wink:
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: rufio on July 11, 2012, 05:01:13 am
mygod those chinese armors are awesome, would love to see crpg expand its boarders evenmore, fuck the narrowminded simpletons hating on diversity. only prob is alot of old gear will just be outshined by the new textures. but imo we should be able to live with that. the weaboo replacement is defnetly a +
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: _Tak_ on July 11, 2012, 01:27:41 pm
why not both? yeah theres SO many japanese items... what 10 items? and theres almost as many chinese items already FYI

Dev clearly said that there will never going to be anymore Japanese shit, the community dislike the weaboo shit (Check the thread of removal of strange armor), ask the dev if you want to know the answer, doubt they will answer back though

mygod those chinese armors are awesome, would love to see crpg expand its boarders evenmore, fuck the narrowminded simpletons hating on diversity. only prob is alot of old gear will just be outshined by the new textures. but imo we should be able to live with that. the weaboo replacement is defnetly a +

Then come and support my thread: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35209.0.html
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ronin on July 11, 2012, 02:43:18 pm
These are better than the current ones. As for the community and devs I don't give a shit. I do not really value their judgement much. Community do not even know what they want. And devs are trying to please them, rather than working on to create a good community.
We should either get more weaboo stuff, or we should get rid of them all. Not the thing we currently have.
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 11, 2012, 04:57:27 pm
+1 To adding the Japanese armor as a variation of Heavy Strange armor (Not replacing), so there will be no need for new Stats. Only an aesthetic difference, adds Variety.
But the Shininess would need to be fixed.

+1 for adding the Chinese armor as well
Title: Re: New Japan armor
Post by: Ujio on July 17, 2012, 07:17:44 pm
Well, I'm a little unclear as to whether they did or not.  I've seen sources which state that mail was only used to keep lamellar plates together as opposed to silk, but then I've also seen sources which show different articles of armor (maybe used under lamellar, but it might even not have been) which are actually called 鎖具足 (kusari gusoku, lit. chain armor.)  Whether or not it was used in battle in a period contemporaneous to the general timeline of the game (which is what? 7th cent. C.E. to mid-17th cent. C.E.?) I still don't know, and the only source I have for samurai wearing chain is one photo of some 19th century samurai on Wikipedia, which means I need to do more research I obviously know everything there is to know about weaboo mail.

Haven't found enough to reliably say samurai wore kusari, might do some more looking, might not.

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