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Title: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: sambo on March 31, 2011, 08:59:46 pm
Hey im just wondering what is good armor for an archer, i do not thing wearing heavy armor is a good idea so what armor should an archer wear.

thanks
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 31, 2011, 09:02:07 pm
Anything you desire that does not have a total weight greater then 7.5. Double the weight of Gloves and triple for boots when calculating this.

Avoid good head armor, as it never saves you anyways and is usually just cosmetic for the weight restrictions you have to play with (Enemy archers will still blow your head off just as you do to them). Boots are a low importance as well, though useful.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Adrian on March 31, 2011, 09:14:56 pm
I don't wear anything that has a combined weight of over 7.5 due to the negative effect it has on your run speed. Depending on whether or not your bow is heirloomed and what level you are can effect what I would recommend.

Most of the time being that I prefer to use the warbow, and only have it heirloomed once, I normally never wear anything heavier than the Leather Jerkin with Khergit Leather Boots. The amount of armor you wear does effect your draw speed. So if I am going up against large amounts of other archers I will even drop the Leather Jerkin for a Red Tunic just so I can have a slightly faster drawspeed.

However, I've seen other archers using heirloomed Strong bows who are able to wear medium heavy armor yet fire just as quickly as I can using my setup. So if this is the case and you are using a heirloomed Strong Bow then you can obviously wear something slightly heavier if you like. However, this will effect your run speed.

Pretty much in the end it doesn't matter what you wear as long as it doesn't exceed 7.5 weight when all combined together as this once again effects your run speed. So just experiment around with different light armor you prefer and see what you like. As an archer you will always have plenty of money anyway to buy any light armor you want to try out.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Christo on March 31, 2011, 09:29:06 pm
Try the Studded Leather Coat. It's the "Ranged bread and Butter", also a nice economical armor, if you're running low on cash.

Only downside that it looks ugly, but you can select anything else, ofc. Just watch your total weight, to avoid the WPF penalty, or make it as low as possible. As an Archer, every WPF point counts.  :wink:
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: kongxinga on March 31, 2011, 09:56:52 pm
I don't wear anything that has a combined weight of over 7.5 due to the negative effect it has on your run speed. Depending on whether or not your bow is heirloomed and what level you are can effect what I would recommend.

Most of the time being that I prefer to use the warbow, and only have it heirloomed once, I normally never wear anything heavier than the Leather Jerkin with Khergit Leather Boots. The amount of armor you wear does effect your draw speed. So if I am going up against large amounts of other archers I will even drop the Leather Jerkin for a Red Tunic just so I can have a slightly faster drawspeed.

However, I've seen other archers using heirloomed Strong bows who are able to wear medium heavy armor yet fire just as quickly as I can using my setup. So if this is the case and you are using a heirloomed Strong Bow then you can obviously wear something slightly heavier if you like. However, this will effect your run speed.

Pretty much in the end it doesn't matter what you wear as long as it doesn't exceed 7.5 weight when all combined together as this once again effects your run speed. So just experiment around with different light armor you prefer and see what you like. As an archer you will always have plenty of money anyway to buy any light armor you want to try out.

So the weight of 7.5 stones includes armour and all equips (except horse right)? Are you saying a loadout below 7.5 does not affect archer draw speed? I thought it was still 5, and only counting armour.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 31, 2011, 09:59:32 pm
Weapons/shields/ammo decrease how fast you run but Not the wpf reduction.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: kongxinga on March 31, 2011, 10:21:13 pm
Thanks for the clarification. So what's the weight threshold for armour before draw speed or accuracy decreases start showing? Is it 5, or is it 7.5? Is it armour only, or entire loadout? I ride a horse so pedestrian concerns such as run speed are a non issue.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Christo on March 31, 2011, 10:29:14 pm
Folks here say that it's 7,5. And it's only your armour, but helmets can lower your WPF more than other parts of armour, as far as I know, helmets have a 3x multiplier on weight penalty.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 31, 2011, 10:49:33 pm
Folks here say that it's 7,5. And it's only your armour, but helmets can lower your WPF more than other parts of armour, as far as I know, helmets have a 3x multiplier on weight penalty.

I honestly would not know, as my "helmet" is just for looks and has a 0 weight. Some days I do not even wear it just to be contrair.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Christo on March 31, 2011, 10:54:06 pm
Yeah, it was implemented to stop archers using closed helmets. Looked surreal and retarded at the same time.

Maybe there are idiots still doing it, but it'll hurt their accuracy badly.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Keshian on March 31, 2011, 11:27:15 pm
9 to 9.5 weight body armor with .1 weight helmet and .5 weight boots is good if you are a balanced or agility build.  If you are going strength build archer to maximize damage you should wear 4.5-5 weight body armor with no helmet or .1 weight head and .5 weight boots again to get the most benefit in accuracy and draw speed possible from wpf.  I swear by .5 weight mail gauntlets no matter what else I wear.  If you are doing the agility build style armor you can get about 40 body armor which will help you survive longer, that drops down to about 30 with the strength build armor but is balanced by more hitpoints.  To give an example I sometimes wear the light leather with no helmet or cavalry helmet (1 lb) mail gauntlets and light leather boots, with my other ensemble being a cavalry robe with a wimple 0 lb (looks like a middle eastern head covering).  Nice to have a theme and there are plenty of lightweight armors to play around with.   Also if you are eventually heirlooming armor, would recommend starting with your gauntlets as most people change those up the least across different builds.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Razzen on March 31, 2011, 11:53:31 pm
Plate, nothing said.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on April 01, 2011, 12:20:49 am
I would say the studded leather coat, gives 30 armor at 5 weight, the next one gives 36 at 9.5 weight, its realy is the best lightweight armora.

Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Adrian on April 01, 2011, 12:25:02 am
Most of these are all good responses, but seriously the lighter you keep it the quicker you'll fire your bow. Honestly you shouldn't be taking that many hits as an archer anyway. The only other players that should be laying any sort of hits on you are other archers.

You should always be strafing anyway and the quicker you can fire, the easier it is to take out enemy archers. So once again I say keep it light, as light of armor as you can bear your character running around in.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Havoco on April 01, 2011, 12:27:19 am
Straw hat, leather gloves, leather jerkin, leather boots ftw! Btw after I get done heirlooming my poleaxe Im gonna heirloom my straw hat.... Lol
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on April 01, 2011, 11:36:07 am
Studded Leather Coat = ultimate post-patch cRPG armor.
Heraldic chain-mail series is great too. But its price is not so hot :)

Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Grey on April 01, 2011, 04:59:24 pm
So many misleading threads of bullshit here: Studdded Leather Coat HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE BEST ARMOUR IN THE GAME.

But its fucking ugly.

To the OP: Question is flawed!!

ARCHERS DO NOT WEAR ARMOUR> You see a guy in armour with a bow, he IS NOT AN ARCHER. Owning a bow and putting points into PD does not make you an archer anymore than buying Katana MAKES you a ninja.

Now, HA are NOT ARCHERS, as HA you can wear whatever armour you want, it wont affect you, since REAL HA shoot from 2-3 metres, NOT longrange.

Guys who use strongbow on foot, are NOT archers, just a joke us real archers laugh at and then 1shot.

Archers wear: Padded Leather MAX HEAVY ARMOUR. and its just for style, WHY do you want armour when your ENTIRE PURPOSE is to kill others before they can hit you? If you want the armour to survive enemy arrows, then you are not an archer, just a target.

As it is, archer in this mod is still pointless, since shields STILL have a MASSIVE forcefield around them that sucks projectiles off their path, sometimes making 90% turns, just to hit the shield. Its retarded and fail.

But, point stands, archers wear no armour, it is a crutch you must learn to live without, just like shields. Nothing makes me sadder than a platearmoured guy with a steel shield, its so sad that he will do well in the fighting, even tho he cannot block manually, has no timing for combat, and no awareness, he just needs to hold mouse2 untill someone else makes a mistake, then press mouse1, then hold mouse2 again. I would like to see a nice realistic repair system, whereby dieing in your amour LOSES that armour for good and awesome, make ppl REALLY play, get some skills....
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Hirlok on April 01, 2011, 05:18:10 pm
sometimes I go tincan just for the lulz, but of course you can't hit shit then and should carry at least a flam as  your sideweapon... ;-)

Usually: studded leather just looks to frickn baaahhhh, so pilgrim or ragged. And woolen cap for the win, will be heirloomed one day ;-)


One exeption for the no-armor-rule (even if Grey might rightfully throw in that those aren't archers either...):
there are those PD10 and up "siege archers" who have no accuracy anyways, but can bust dem tincans off the ladders or oneshot them at short distance. For them armor ain't bad, lamellar e.g. helps agains peasants and enemy archers and does not bog you down too much.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on April 01, 2011, 05:28:32 pm
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You are full of shit :)
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: kongxinga on April 01, 2011, 05:47:07 pm
Horse archers can't go that near, unless they want to meet a hail of throwing missiles. There is a quite a lot of archering involved in HA since combat is a lot more fluid compared to hide behind cover, step out shoot, hide. I think optimum HA range is just out of throwing distance. While speed is not a factor for HA, WPF reductions apparently still exist.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 01, 2011, 06:00:10 pm
Meh, I wear armour so I can actually 1 match my clan and 2 not get one shot like all of the no-armor archers. If archers in real life wear light amounts of armor, and if archers in games (including this one) wear light amounts of armor, then I shall do so too.

To the OP: Unless you are Grey who dodges all shots and ignores the times when a crossbow has ganked him unaware or when he has messed up his dodging and thus dies due to his lack of armor, then you yourself actually need some small amounts of it to remain competative... Unless you do enjoy being one-shot the instant you make a mistake, because even BKS players sometimes mess up...
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Grey on April 01, 2011, 06:17:16 pm
Horse archers can't go that near, unless they want to meet a hail of throwing missiles. There is a quite a lot of archering involved in HA since combat is a lot more fluid compared to hide behind cover, step out shoot, hide. I think optimum HA range is just out of throwing distance. While speed is not a factor for HA, WPF reductions apparently still exist.

Well, horse archers CAN and we DO get that close, because of the shitting dmg drop off, to kill a tincan with a strong bow I must make him say "CHEESE" and place my arrowtip in his mouth before I fire to actually hurt the guy. Throwing is powerful, yes, but so are swords, crossbows, lances, etc. and I dont fear them, HA is about being able to outmanouver everyone else. The player named EGGNOGG something or other learnt this yesterday, when he tried to show that his courser could somehow compete with steppe horse. Speed and dmg are all very well, but not getting hit is still better than buying IF, or armour.

People need to change their outlook: Stop building to survive being hit, just avoid being hit, its easier, cheaper, and more reliably saves your life. Also this "hide, step out, shoot, hide" mentallity is what allows me to kill so easily: I stand in the open, you wont shoot me because I will shoot you first, with my more accurate and more powerful fire: PD6 150 wpf noone has yet survived a headshot, except ONCE i saw a guy take one from spawn to spawn, but I put that one down to range dropoff.

Meh, I wear armour so I can actually 1 match my clan and 2 not get one shot like all of the no-armor archers. If archers in real life wear light amounts of armor, and if archers in games (including this one) wear light amounts of armor, then I shall do so too.

To the OP: Unless you are Grey who dodges all shots and ignores the times when a crossbow has ganked him unaware or when he has messed up his dodging and thus dies due to his lack of armor, then you yourself actually need some small amounts of it to remain competative... Unless you do enjoy being one-shot the instant you make a mistake, because even BKS players sometimes mess up...

I dont mess up dodging, because Im so light on my feet, not having to cart that armour and shield around XD.

Clan? Theres no strategus right now, so therefor no clans, sry mate, just a friendsgroup. Match them if you want, even once strategus starts, your still gonna have to wear whatever the buyers pick when your in strategus. Public is to be YOU, not a clone.

Also, crossbow cannot gank, since it is a single shot weapon, used at range, a gank is a GANG KILL, so unless a gang of xbowmen shoot me......

I dont get ganked, I gank! XD
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 01, 2011, 06:25:40 pm
Ah, good to know you never mess up dodging and you just let me plug you with an arrow a few weeks back, thank you for letting me hit you. Forgive me for having the arrogance to assume that you were trying to dodge  :lol:
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Wulzzz on April 01, 2011, 06:56:51 pm
ARCHERS DO NOT WEAR ARMOUR> You see a guy in armour with a bow, he IS NOT AN ARCHER. Owning a bow and putting points into PD does not make you an archer anymore than buying Katana MAKES you a ninja.

Now, HA are NOT ARCHERS, as HA you can wear whatever armour you want, it wont affect you, since REAL HA shoot from 2-3 metres, NOT longrange.


hm?i wear mameluke mail (44 body defens) and lamellar gauntlets(8 defens)
When the enemy team is heavily camping, i often rush behind enemy line and just long range shoot archers on roofs..with success.
With 172 wpf btw
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Grey on April 01, 2011, 07:01:52 pm
Ah, good to know you never mess up dodging and you just let me plug you with an arrow a few weeks back, thank you for letting me hit you. Forgive me for having the arrogance to assume that you were trying to dodge  :lol:

I thought u needed the boost.

OF COURSE I GET HIT. And sometimes I get while dodging too, but hey, when ppl got weapons, other ppl gonna get hit.....


BUT: Im still rolling in kills, top of the servers, and I am doing it in blue tunic, hood, wrapping boots. even my melee classes (whose names I with hold, else I get poll banned very often) I fight in next to 0 armour, JUST IMAGINE how much you would all rage if I spent the countless "chadz money" I have on plate armour, its not like the patheticly low "upkeep costs" would stop me, just like it doesnt stop annyone else. I honestly dont know why that was intriduced at all, its a placebo.......

hm?i wear mameluke mail (44 body defens) and lamellar gauntlets(8 defens)
When the enemy team is heavily camping, i often rush behind enemy line and just long range shoot archers on roofs..with success.
With 172 wpf btw

Good for you buddy. Your not an archer tho, neither are those guys you see on roofs, else you would be dead before you get behind them, and if I see you I will lol as I plug your body time and again, then kill you and lol again. Bowmen in armour: target. Guy on a horse: Target. Anyone without the full body protection shields (huscarl, steel): Target.

Anyone with round shield is automatically immune to all ranged fire tho....makes me wanna slap the "balance team"
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Wulzzz on April 01, 2011, 07:05:38 pm
What are you talking about?

I got good accuracy on horse as well as foot archer and not bad damage.
And i can kill other archers as HA or as normal archer, especially ultra PG archers in UNDER 5 WEIGHT OMG OMG FOR ULTRANESS armor like you
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Baldr on April 01, 2011, 07:19:21 pm
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You are full of shit :)

Gray has a point, I never wear armour on Nanna except for fun and as a HA/A you have all that cha ching so money in the bank isn't a prob joe. Archer or horse archer is a no armour no brainer thing. But to answer the original question, there is only one thing you have to do...

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Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Wulzzz on April 01, 2011, 07:31:44 pm
The accuracy difference between 0 and 15 or even 20 (effective weight)is not that ultra huge..so.. you sure can wear some middle armor.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: EponiCo on April 01, 2011, 08:04:50 pm
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But ... but ... but ... I have a strongbow and armor. And I'm not an archer?  :cry:
What am I then? Oh, I know, I'm a stormtrooper. Pew Pew Pew lightsaber draw sound lightsaber swing sounds breathing. May the forcefield be with you!
Sadly I have to play like I was evil since we don't have a white plate.

On a more serious note I'm quite content with the 36 points armors. Technically the studded leather may be the best, but it has a huge penalty to charisma. Also I've often made kills while I was down to 1 or 2 hp, don't know if benefits of lower armor would be worth it. No head armor, though. Actually one these narrow backally type maps that are getting popular I think some higher armor may very well be worth it. Load out with some heavy armor, some good melee weapon and rush with the infantry. Once you come to a place where they shoot down from the roofs stand back and provide surpression fire.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Baldr on April 01, 2011, 08:53:50 pm
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But ... but ... but ... I have a strongbow and armor. And I'm not an archer?  :cry:
What am I then? Oh, I know, I'm a stormtrooper. Pew Pew Pew lightsaber draw sound lightsaber swing sounds breathing. May the forcefield be with you!
Sadly I have to play like I was evil since we don't have a white plate.

On a more serious note I'm quite content with the 36 points armors. Technically the studded leather may be the best, but it has a huge penalty to charisma. Also I've often made kills while I was down to 1 or 2 hp, don't know if benefits of lower armor would be worth it. No head armor, though. Actually one these narrow backally type maps that are getting popular I think some higher armor may very well be worth it. Load out with some heavy armor, some good melee weapon and rush with the infantry. Once you come to a place where they shoot down from the roofs stand back and provide surpression fire.

+1
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Grey on April 01, 2011, 09:00:18 pm
No mate, the real archers are the guys who kill you guys, who are stood directly next to their infantry, sometimes infront of their infantry, the point to shooting is that I shoot ppl BEFORE they can hurt me: Getting headshot by a crossbow, I dont think ANYTHING will save you from that, so instead of wearing something that will ALMOST save me, Id rather just not bother, and rely on human skills to survive.


BUT OBVIOUSLY this is my opninion, and you can all wear what you like, but knowing you will die if you dont make the shot.....really helps my clutch accuracy.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 01, 2011, 09:00:45 pm
An archer is anyone who carries a bow. Period.

A crappy worthless archer is still an archer, and an archer launching laser guided ballistic pre-patch missiles is still an archer. Period.

A Dedicated archer, however, is someone who has archery as the main focus of his or her class.

A Ninja is a style of play, an Archer is a class like One Hander or Shielder or Polearm or Cav. Ninja = 2Her or Thrower, Thrower or 2Her =/= Ninja.

Dedicated Archer, a bow/2Her Hybrid Archer, or a Sword and Board carrying just one quiver and a bow for skirmishing are all Archers.

In the heat of battle, I will be damned if I say on teamspeak "Hey there is a heavily armored fake archer who is actually a pole arm user on the roof to our right!" or "There is a guy with a bow on the roof to our right!" Instead I shall be sane and say quickly "There is an archer on the roof to our right!" and everyone knows what I am talking about.

EDIT: Archer: One that shoots with a bow and arrow.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: kongxinga on April 01, 2011, 09:07:51 pm
Gray has a point, I never wear armour on Nanna except for fun and as a HA/A you have all that cha ching so money in the bank isn't a prob joe. Archer or horse archer is a no armour no brainer thing. But to answer the original question, there is only one thing you have to do...

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Wait, I know Archers get mad amounts of money, but HA? That horse is expensive. Used to ride steppes until people with +3 riding over me on sarranids showed up, so started riding sarranids.

I used to believe in grey's doctrine in dodging with mad skills and making no mistakes, but that no longer is practical for me. Factor in lag, the massive amount of missiles (you can dodge 4 out of 5, but 1 will hit you if the 5 man team firing line sees you.) and of course, plain human error. After getting 1 shot with bows because of no armour, I now wear some leather (not studded) to be able to take 2 shots. Many thanks to the suggestions here.

In short, to hades with maneuverability, bring on some protection. Don't fly a flimsy, nimble zero, fly a mustang and gun them down in head on attacks while your armour saves you. Taking hits like a man and shooting them down afterwards is the name of the game.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Keshian on April 01, 2011, 11:32:39 pm
Grey, I don't want to be on the same team as you on siege.  You would be one of those archers sitting on the walls pewpewing while the flag is going down with your no armor self, while the real archers pull out their melee weapons with their decent armor charge to the rescue and stand on the flag until the heavy infantry arrive.  Seriously Grey with how slow the bow reloads, unless you camp as an archer or run away every time someone even gets near you, you are going to have to pull out a melee weapon and having decent armor is very useful fighting multiple opponents swinging from multiple directions, while the close range throwers are tossing javelins into the mix.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 01, 2011, 11:34:56 pm
Grey, I don't want to play siege with you.  You would be one of those archers sitting on the walls pewpewing while the flag is going down with your no armor self, while the real archers pull out their melee weapons with their decent armor charge to the rescue and stand on the flag until the heavy infantry arrive.  Seriously Grey with how slow the bow reloads, unless you camp as an archer or run away every time someone even gets near you, you are going to have to pull out a melee weapon and having decent armor is very useful fighting multiple opponents swinging from multiple directions, while the close range throwers are tossing javelins into the mix.

This is actually a damn good reason why I also wear armor. In siege even if I am running with no melee weapon, I still dance around in melee firing arrows point blank and of course sometimes I do not pull away in time and get hit due to a dozen blood thirsty goons.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Baldr on April 03, 2011, 06:59:08 pm
Grey, I don't want to be on the same team as you on siege.  You would be one of those archers sitting on the walls pewpewing while the flag is going down with your no armor self, while the real archers pull out their melee weapons with their decent armor charge to the rescue and stand on the flag until the heavy infantry arrive
This is actually a damn good reason why I also wear armor. In siege even if I am running with no melee weapon, I still dance around in melee firing arrows point blank and of course sometimes I do not pull away in time and get hit due to a dozen blood thirsty goons.
I agree with this, it is smart to wear armour as a archer it can help you survive in melee. But when you say its stupid for an archer in siege to run down to protect flag you are mistaken imo, unless there are very few melee or obvious noblites you would do your team a favour to keep that arrow rain flowing. You have no or very little chance of actually doing anything useful at flag, of course some people are good at manual blocking and actually can use their secondary weapon with skill but most can not and will mostly be in the way. (Obvious exceptions, when flag needs a boost, no melee present and so on)
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Grey on April 04, 2011, 04:38:08 pm
Grey, I don't want to be on the same team as you on siege.  You would be one of those archers sitting on the walls pewpewing while the flag is going down with your no armor self, while the real archers pull out their melee weapons with their decent armor charge to the rescue and stand on the flag until the heavy infantry arrive.  Seriously Grey with how slow the bow reloads, unless you camp as an archer or run away every time someone even gets near you, you are going to have to pull out a melee weapon and having decent armor is very useful fighting multiple opponents swinging from multiple directions, while the close range throwers are tossing javelins into the mix.

Nah man I have shot u plenty, and stabbed u more. My KDR on my main archer is above 2:1, yet most of my kills are from melee......

1v1 having 1wpf really hinders me, but I thrive in combat like Lee Sin mate, nothing is more fun than fighting 3+ guys with my nuwedao, chop fucking chop chop block block jumping headchop just me left alive is how I roll, those guys shooting from the wall are not archers either.

An archer is anyone who carries a bow. Period.

A crappy worthless archer is still an archer, and an archer launching laser guided ballistic pre-patch missiles is still an archer. Period.

A Dedicated archer, however, is someone who has archery as the main focus of his or her class.

A Ninja is a style of play, an Archer is a class like One Hander or Shielder or Polearm or Cav. Ninja = 2Her or Thrower, Thrower or 2Her =/= Ninja.

Dedicated Archer, a bow/2Her Hybrid Archer, or a Sword and Board carrying just one quiver and a bow for skirmishing are all Archers.

In the heat of battle, I will be damned if I say on teamspeak "Hey there is a heavily armored fake archer who is actually a pole arm user on the roof to our right!" or "There is a guy with a bow on the roof to our right!" Instead I shall be sane and say quickly "There is an archer on the roof to our right!" and everyone knows what I am talking about.

EDIT: Archer: One that shoots with a bow and arrow.


No. sry. Having a horse does make you a Knight. It just makes you cavalry. Owning a bow makes you a ranged unit. An archer is king of the battlefield, we carry the bow and use it primarily because it takes more skill than the sword.

I love the sword, I play MB, crpg, all mods that I find, singleplayer, oldschool M n B, because I FUCKING LOVE THE SWORD.

But the bow it takes more skill, more dedication, a cooler head, more awareness.

I dont wear armour, thats my choice, I dont recommend it. I do it because I have to do it. To be able to stand in the way of a charging knight, and know, this man, hes mine, he doesnt know it, he thinks this is a fight.....and just as he knows that hes GOT ME, shhhhwap, killed him. Thats taking a risk and relying on skill. Anyone can stack armour.

I aim to kill with style, armour and shield have a dmg output of 0, and I know life is more complicated than that but, since they do not dmg I dont need them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP_FhgCllS4&feature=related

thats why I stand there in no armour. It is a risk that I take because it makes me feel good. To me you are all the bull, the harder you come at me the less I must do to hurt you.

And since this is my view, all my opinions on armour should be viewed as just that, my opinions, and IMHO, true archers are the ones that can kill you with the sword np, without too much effort, but shoot you because it is the stylish and skillfull way of doing it. Guys in full chainmail with a huscarl shield on their backs, they are not shooting for stylish skillkills, they are the same as crossbowmen, desperate for any scrap off the killtable, and are just dogs to me.

Leather for archers is stylish. Studded Leather Coat is the best low armour item in the game by stats, but the morale debuff you get from wearing a leather bodycondom is massive...
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on April 04, 2011, 04:40:25 pm
Lets all be naked and hug trees
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Grey on April 04, 2011, 05:04:50 pm
if we were all naked then it would not fun to be naked anymore, for me...
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Baldr on April 04, 2011, 05:09:07 pm
Leather for archers is stylish. Studded Leather Coat is the best low armour item in the game by stats, but the morale debuff you get from wearing a leather bodycondom is massive...

I have never meant "lol" more then when I got to  "but the morale debuff you get from wearing a leather bodycondom is massive..."

Classic fucking great man, made my day.
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Grey on April 04, 2011, 05:12:30 pm
You KNOW its bad man.....combine it with

Byzantion Helmet   794   
weight 1
head armor 26
body armor 0
leg armor 0
requirement 7

and you might as well have come dressed as a penis....
Title: Re: What is Good Archer Armor ?
Post by: Baldr on April 04, 2011, 05:18:29 pm
Thats it im a condom from now on, I just have to  :lol: