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Off Topic => Spam => Topic started by: BADPLAYERold on June 17, 2012, 12:42:49 am
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I think the problem here is how non-racist are actually the worse one.
Non racist people, due to being overly sensitive or white guilt are actually proliferating racism which is really retarded I must say.
If no one gave a single shit about racial/ethnic slurs/insults, racism wouldn't exist, the sole fact that oversensitive people that are AGAINST racism exists are what makes racism exist, it's ironic but that's how it is.
All in all, stop being oversensitive and proliferating racism by being against it.
There is nothing wrong with racism, yeah it's ideology just as stupid as believing in omnipresent and powerful entity who don't use his power to protect his followers - but at least racism is based on some evidence (but got most things wrongs).
And racists in game just insult other people, just like non-racists.
'Racism' as a word has a trillion different meanings which constantly change. In 1700, a racist was one who wanted to kill everyone who didn't look like him. A racist today might be a guy saying "dem nigs runin muh neighbour" or, if we are to believe the radical definition, anyone who even ACKNOWLEDGES the very concept of race.
So which one to follow? chadz says "common sense" but common sense is not common at all. What if someone finds it "common sense" to ban me for racism if I tell him that different races have different median IQ's? What if someone finds it "common sense" to ban me for racism if I say races even exist? Under a fairly common definition, that would be, in fact, racist!
I am not a racist. I just believe in this little radical idea called "free speech". You might have heard of it, I heard the founders of the US were pretty big funs of it and that it allowed the advancement of initially VERY unpopular ideas like feminism, civil rights movement etc.
I know I am a radical, but it is my deepest belief that free speech isn't there for us to secure our right to talk about the weather.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxgNXoFS2Mw
How is it racism when they use it all the time themselves?
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Naive twunt.
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woops 4got quote tags
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Theres a difference between racism and racialism. The first is using terms like your N word in order to put a negative label on a whole group of people based on the colour of their skin. I'd much rather people called someone a negative term that had nothing to do with skin colour, I don't see the point. It just encourages black & white mentality (sorry for pun). I don't even like to consider the colour of someone's skin, it is of no interest to me whatsoever
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USA!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxgNXoFS2Mw
How is it racism when they use it all the time themselves?
Just like you can call yourself fat and dont get mad or something, but if someone else calls you the same thing you want to punch his teeth out.
Also the same way I can jokingly call myself chocolate chip cookie or one of my german friends, but I dont like it if foreigners do it.
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BADPLAYER for president.
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I think the problem here is how non-racist are actually the worse one.
Non racist people, due to being overly sensitive or white guilt are actually proliferating racism which is really retarded I must say.
If no one gave a single shit about racial/ethnic slurs/insults, racism wouldn't exist, the sole fact that oversensitive people that are AGAINST racism exists are what makes racism exist, it's ironic but that's how it is.
All in all, stop being oversensitive and proliferating racism by being against it.
There is nothing wrong with racism, yeah it's ideology just as stupid as believing in omnipresent and powerful entity who don't use his power to protect his followers - but at least racism is based on some evidence (but got most things wrongs).
And racists in game just insult other people, just like non-racists.
'Racism' as a word has a trillion different meanings which constantly change. In 1700, a racist was one who wanted to kill everyone who didn't look like him. A racist today might be a guy saying "dem nigs runin muh neighbour" or, if we are to believe the radical definition, anyone who even ACKNOWLEDGES the very concept of race.
So which one to follow? chadz says "common sense" but common sense is not common at all. What if someone finds it "common sense" to ban me for racism if I tell him that different races have different median IQ's? What if someone finds it "common sense" to ban me for racism if I say races even exist? Under a fairly common definition, that would be, in fact, racist!
I am not a racist. I just believe in this little radical idea called "free speech". You might have heard of it, I heard the founders of the US were pretty big funs of it and that it allowed the advancement of initially VERY unpopular ideas like feminism, civil rights movement etc.
I know I am a radical, but it is my deepest belief that free speech isn't there for us to secure our right to talk about the weather.
you're an idiot.
There are 4 stages of discrimination, starting with
1 - jokey slurs, racist / sexist / w.e remarks
2 - exclusion from groups for the characteristic
3 - group direct opposition to the discriminated group
4 - direct attacks against the discriminated peoples
stage 1 is just the start, that's why idiots like you saying it's harmless makes corsair a sad boy.
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If no one gave a single shit about racial/ethnic slurs/insults, racism wouldn't exist
Very naive indeed.
According to history, when no one gives a shit about racism, you have ethnical cleansings or segregation. It's a very bad sign that people are not aware of these things on this day and age.
Maybe this is why anti-racism should be enforced in these forums and on the servers.
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racist! you hate Obama 'cuss he black! Racist! Racist!
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Well, yeah, kinda true. I have hard time considering some generic racial slurs racism (even though they may be such!). Anyway I mostly find it sad people actually get insulted by random words on internets. Though because people do get insulted it's probably better to try to avoid too bad racial slurs ;(
Racism in western societies seems to have lost a lot of it's real meaning as a word since at least in Finland it's started to seem that everything is racism - for some reason a loud minority (?) of dark skinned immigrants seem to like telling everyone how racist they are all the time. And when they don't get jobs it's usually because of racist Finns, not because of they can't commit to working or don't know how to read or speak Finnish or even easily understandable English etc.
When people ACTUALLY treat some people different because of their skin color or country of birth - unless it's of course necessary in some rare cases - that's actual racism.
But anyway, I don't know why I bother posting since I can't really endorse spamming friend friend friend on chat or anything.
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It's very hard to talk about factual differences between races without upsetting sensibilities; which is the negative side of, let us say, anti-racism, and where it does in a way impinge on free speech. Then again, many sugar-coat racist theories to pass under the radar. Anyway, there are different mediums for serious discussion then internet games.
That said, slurs and such in this setting is outright bad and should not be tolerated.
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People act like it happened forever ago when there are fathers who lived through that kind of stuff, and grandfathers even worse. It's a huge stigma that will take generations to heal, even after the fact. Of course racism as it was rarely exists like that today, but it's easy to see the lasting effects it still has and the type of more subtle racism people continue to deal with. (This is ignoring internet racist trolls, what happens in real life).
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I am not a racist. I just believe in this little radical idea called "free speech".
+1 for that, racism is retarded, but so is for example religion. You cannot force a racist to become non-racist as you cannot do it to religious people, youve to accept the opinion of others and learn to deal with it/them
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There is a difference in racism, prejudice, and respect. I'll break it down for you in words that you can understand in a nice numbered list.
1- Racism - To be a racist is to think that a race/races is inferior/are inferior to another race/other races. What you refer to as "white guilt" has no effect on whether or not someone's race is viewed as inferior. To be a racist is simply foolish. It has been proven that ones race has little to do with the potential of a race. It has more to do with where and how you're raised, your state of physical and emotional health, and of course a lack of birth defects (like how BADPLAYER has an extra chromosome).
2. Prejudice - This is what is often confused with racism, and wherein I believe your beliefs are most accurate. Persons belonging to various cultural groups can often be stereotyped, especially since members of these groups more often than not belong to the same race. Low income African Americans in my part of the country fall victim to some prejudice due to their affinity towards violence and milking the welfare system. There are also low income white people who have largely identical lifestyles. Both groups were born and raised under similar circumstances, and the members of both groups tend to end up the same way. The reverse also applies.
3. Respect - There is an element of white guilt that permeates through society, and I have been accused of having it myself. I detest the 'N' word, but it is not because I feel guilty. I am a very prejudiced person. The types of people described in my second bullet particularly irk me. I hate people who are resigned to do nothing with their lives and waste away while wallowing in self pity and blaming others for their circumstance. That being said, I have enough respect for African Americans and their struggle in the civil rights movement. Their methods of protest were the right methods, mostly. People died to earn equal footing in the United States. Out of respect to those people who died, and what they fought for, I do not use the 'N' word. I bitch at my friends when they use the 'N' word. Out of respect for people who I have met and have known people in my life who were alive during the civil rights movement, who remember the civil rights movement, and who had participated in the civil rights movement. Out of respect for them as well, I do not use the 'N' word. I am not sensitive, but I respect those who do not wish for that word to be used, therefore I do not use it as a sign of respect.
I am sorry if you are too immature or too stupid to understand these concepts, but I hope the moderator team reprimands you for immaturity and poor trolling tactics.
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+1 for that, racism is retarded, but so is for example religion. You cannot force a racist to become non-racist as you cannot do it to religious people, youve to accept the opinion of others and learn to deal with it/them
So if someone is of the opinion all jews should be put in concentration camps, we should just accept his opinion? I tend to agree, if by "accept his opinion" you mean "accept his opinion and then kill him with fire".
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Racism in western societies seems to have lost a lot of it's real meaning as a word since at least in Finland it's started to seem that everything is racism - for some reason a loud minority (?) of dark skinned immigrants seem to like telling everyone how racist they are all the time. And when they don't get jobs it's usually because of racist Finns, not because of they can't commit to working or don't know how to read or speak Finnish or even easily understandable English etc.
don't take it personal it's just a common thing I acknowledge lately and that i found pretty funny
It's just that I tend to hear more and more of those kind of word (In Québec which is almost the same thing as Finland (different ''hard'' language : french a non-racism strict strict policy))
It's like if you were saying : We're not racist, we are just annoyed by those different people with different culture and different look and different manners, if they could just be more like us instead of saying we need to adapt to them?
a bit ironic...
But I can understand your thought, I face it everyday with comment like : can you be less gay you're not helping yourself! but you know I'm not homophobic right... (yeah...)
Anyway, it's normal to be a little shocked when facing a new strange thing such as other culture and such and I understand this reaction as a remain of old racist allied with a cultural solidarity plus a reaction toward some of the people who abuse racist accusation facing our path to be less racist. (oh god I hate being awkward in English...)
Anyway, we just need to inform ourselves on the culture of people and stay a bit open minded, maybe racism will still exist, but maybe we can make our children and the children or our children not being racist
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I think people get confused when it comes to free speech. There is a limit..you lose that right when you get to the point where you're intending to incite violence or to encourage hate between groups of people
People like Westboro Baptist Church couldn't operate in the UK, in fact they're banned from ever entering the country. You can say what you like, but there are common sense limits
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So if someone is of the opinion all jews should be put in concentration camps, we should just accept his opinion? I tend to agree, if by "accept his opinion" you mean "accept his opinion and then kill him with fire".
In germany people insult you of being a chocolate chip cookie if you say "oh, i think it is not nice that israelis are threatening the people in ghaza bad", this country is completely fucked up.... Im for total freedom of speech, i really dont care about other peoples opinions. Punish them if they break a law, but dont punish them for their opinions and dont creat ANY law restricting freedom of speech/etc
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+1 for that, racism is retarded, but so is for example religion. You cannot force a racist to become non-racist as you cannot do it to religious people, youve to accept the opinion of others and learn to deal with it/them
Beeing simply religious isnt offensive to anyone really(Except for fanatism obviously), while Racism is.
And its also completely legal to say what you mentioned there here in germany, its only the people telling you that its "chocolate chip cookie" , and those guys are mostly idiots.
However, it is not legal to go into the street and yell" Run ni**a run, dem Chickens are coming for revenge!".
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So if someone is of the opinion all jews should be put in concentration camps, we should just accept his opinion? I tend to agree, if by "accept his opinion" you mean "accept his opinion and then kill him with fire".
In despotism you go to jail when you have bad opinions, in democracy nobody cares.
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In despotism you go to jail when you have bad opinions, in democracy nobody cares.
In despotism you go to jail when you have bad opinions by the despot's standards, which doesn't work out very well since he happens to be the bad guy.
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As a proud black woman, I find it offensive that you dumb honkies think that you can tell me what to say.
Maybe if you understood the difference between someone shouting "friend" while they beat up my friend, and that same friend saying "sup nigga" to me in greeting we wouldn't have these issues.
Stupid raycis-ass crackas.
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In despotism you go to jail when you have bad opinions by the despot's standards, which doesn't work out very well since he happens to be the bad guy.
Depends on the despot. Actually some despots in history were better managers and more progressive than some current elected leaders.
Good and bad happen to be concepts that are impossible to define accurately in an absolute way. Actually, if people try to convince you of the opposite, they are most probably naively thinking they do good things, even though they really aren't. Believe it or not, actual chocolate chip cookies were chocolate chip cookie because they thought it was a good thing and considered themselves as good people.
The problem with racism/prejudice etc. laws that partly restrict freedom of speech (that is, offenses that don't go further than speech, unlike job discrimination etc. that are very serious issues) is that even though individuals should be free to say whatever they want (they can be drunk anyway), we can't reasonably let neochocolate chip cookie groups chant racist slurs in the open.
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As a proud black woman, I find it offensive that you dumb honkies think that you can tell me what to say.
Maybe if you understood the difference between someone shouting "friend" while they beat up my friend, and that same friend saying "sup nigga" to me in greeting we wouldn't have these issues.
Stupid raycis-ass crackas.
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Depends on the despot. Actually some despots in history were better managers and more progressive than some current elected leaders.
Good and bad happen to be concepts that are impossible to define accurately in an absolute way. Actually, if people try to convince you of the opposite, they are most probably naively thinking they do good things, even though they really aren't. Believe it or not, actual chocolate chip cookies were chocolate chip cookie because they thought it was a good thing and considered themselves as good people.
The problem with racism/prejudice etc. laws that partly restrict freedom of speech (that is, offenses that don't go further than speech, unlike job discrimination etc. that are very serious issues) is that even though individuals should be free to say whatever they want (they can be drunk anyway), we can't reasonably let neochocolate chip cookie groups chant racist slurs in the open.
Yes, it's fine for teachers in muslim schools to preach death to the infidels.
It's grand to have bible thumping halfwits carrying 'burn my old friend' signs at funerals.
It's lovely to have rich bastards raising a glass while New Orleans sinks.
Christ, what a bunch of fucking morons.
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My opinion is people can say what they want in general. In regards to this game if someone owns a server or a forum and they have rules you have to follow them, even if the rules are unfair or don't make sense. Personally i believe in free speech and if someone is saying something i don't like i just ignore them, even if its bad.
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You just lost all my respect, and hopefully you get in trouble for using the "N" word in the Subject of this thread... The ignorance...
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The problem with racism/prejudice etc. laws that partly restrict freedom of speech (that is, offenses that don't go further than speech, unlike job discrimination etc. that are very serious issues) is that even though individuals should be free to say whatever they want (they can be drunk anyway), we can't reasonably let neochocolate chip cookie groups chant racist slurs in the open.
This is what I'm trying to say. It's completely retarded to group everything under free speech like Tyr said, as if calling your friend nigga and inciting ethnic hatred were even slightly comparable.
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Yes, it's fine for teachers in muslim schools to preach death to the infidels.
It's grand to have bible thumping halfwits carrying 'burn my old friend' signs at funerals.
It's lovely to have rich bastards raising a glass while New Orleans sinks.
Christ, what a bunch of fucking morons.
Exactly what I said : there is a problem. The line between what is hate speech and what is just random foolish xenophobic assertions like "jobless immigrants are lazy" and the like is blurry.
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My opinion is people can say what they want in general. In regards to this game if someone owns a server or a forum and they have rules you have to follow them, even if the rules are unfair or don't make sense. Personally i believe in free speech and if someone is saying something i don't like i just ignore them, even if its bad.
Didn't read, just down voted, like majority of his crappy posts.
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I think people get confused when it comes to free speech. There is a limit..you lose that right when you get to the point where you're intending to incite violence or to encourage hate between groups of people
People like Westboro Baptist Church couldn't operate in the UK, in fact they're banned from ever entering the country. You can say what you like, but there are common sense limits
Right. When people think "FREE SPEECH" they don't understand the laws built around the idea of free speech to protect the civil liberties of other citizens.
Sure say what you want to say, just understand that you're violating the same rights that are given to you.
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racist! you hate Obama 'cuss he black! Racist! Racist!
How did you know!
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meh to everything here.
what I want to know is if a black person makes a "racist" remark to a white person the white person cant say shit back?
also the way I see it is don't say shit others don't like and you will be fine.....at least that's what you can hope :lol:
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meh to everything here.
what I want to know is if a black person makes a "racist" remark to a white person the white person cant say shit back?
also the way I see it is don't say shit others don't like and you will be fine.....at least that's what you can hope :lol:
Some people have that particular way of writing about things that reveals a lot more on what they are than what they wish you knew.
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Racism is a problem, and it's very sad that people are so ignorant as to even use the racial slurs they do. Yes, some black people call each other the "N" word, and then they get mad if someone else calls them it. It's wrong that they call themselves that, but it does not give everyone an excuse to call them that as well. No, you can't just ignore an racist comment and "not let it bother you." You're calling other people oversensitive if they don't like racist things being said--just because you're not "oversensitive?" Black people (and many other different peoples) have suffered for a long time, and things are much better for them now than they were before. The fact that people just still use the "N" word freely and as like a joke or funny thing to say is definitely not funny; it's beyond disrespectful. Just because you're white and don't get most of the grief other races get doesn't give you the excuse to be so ignorant to other races, what they've endured and have to endure, and pretend that people can just ignore things like this. Yes, free speech should be allowed, but not speech that involves words and meaning that people have been trying to get rid of for so long and may hurt people emotionally... I'm not black, I'm half white, but I try to stick up for all people because it's right, and we don't need people that think like you do. Free speech--yes, hate speech--no.
tl;dr, you're wrong.
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Man fuck human beings.
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Racism is a problem, and it's very sad that people are so ignorant as to even use the racial slurs they do. Yes, some black people call each other the "N" word, and then they get mad if someone else calls them it. It's wrong that they call themselves that, but it does not give everyone an excuse to call them that as well. No, you can't just ignore an racist comment and "not let it bother you." You're calling other people oversensitive if they don't like racist things being said--just because you're not "oversensitive?" Black people (and many other different peoples) have suffered for a long time, and things are much better for them now than they were before. The fact that people just still use the "N" word freely and as like a joke or funny thing to say is definitely not funny; it's beyond disrespectful. Just because you're white and don't get most of the grief other races get doesn't give you the excuse to be so ignorant to other races, what they've endured and have to endure, and pretend that people can just ignore things like this. Yes, free speech should be allowed, but not speech that involves words and meaning that people have been trying to get rid of for so long and may hurt people emotionally... I'm not black, I'm half white, but I try to stick up for all people because it's right, and we don't need people that think like you do. Free speech--yes, hate speech--no.
tl;dr, you're wrong.
I use the n word as a brotherly term of endearment all the time mah niggaaaaaaa