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Title: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Gomer on June 06, 2012, 08:42:57 am
Discuss suggest new options. Flame. Troll. One. Word. Sentences.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Slamz on June 06, 2012, 09:24:49 am
I say cav, particularly the speed, particularly the courser.

All problems in range balance stem from coursers.  They're too fast; you can't hear them coming as a result; they mulch everything.  If you buff ranged enough to deal with them, then ranged decimates everything.  If you don't buff ranged enough to deal with them, then they'll own the whole field.

Archer spam?  Thrower spam?  It's because of cav, mainly the courser.


You'll never have balance in this game with cav speed (and maneuverability) being what it is.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 06, 2012, 09:58:30 am
I say cav, particularly the speed, particularly the courser.

All problems in range balance stem from coursers.  They're too fast; you can't hear them coming as a result; they mulch everything.  If you buff ranged enough to deal with them, then ranged decimates everything.  If you don't buff ranged enough to deal with them, then they'll own the whole field.

Archer spam?  Thrower spam?  It's because of cav, mainly the courser.


You'll never have balance in this game with cav speed (and maneuverability) being what it is.


Step 1. Buy a spear.
Step 2. Stop crying.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: [ptx] on June 06, 2012, 10:03:13 am
A clear winner in this poll. Fix it, please.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Slamz on June 06, 2012, 10:09:10 am

Step 1. Buy a spear.
Step 2. Stop crying.

Heavy throwing axes are far superior to spears if you want to actually kill horses.  Spears are best for standing there looking like an idiot while an HX circles around you and shoots you in the face, or rides past you and kills your buddies.

Consequently, NA has more throwers than I have ever seen in the history of cRPG, mainly to deal with cav.

If you're fine with "Mount and Throwing Axe" then by all means keep up the "stop crying" routine and be sure to repeat it in every "THROWING IS OP" thread that pops up.  If coursers were taken out of the game tomorrow you'd probably see half of the throwers (or more) return to full infantry mode.


So again, the most contentious balance issues in this game comes down to cav, mainly coursers.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: bruce on June 06, 2012, 10:12:18 am
Add inflateable peasants as cavalry decoys.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: [ptx] on June 06, 2012, 10:13:11 am
So again, the most contentious balance issues in this game comes down to cav, mainly coursers.
Bullshit. Check the poll, numbers don't lie.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: LordBerenger on June 06, 2012, 10:29:55 am
U shouldn't drown when u got water at ur knees....
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 06, 2012, 10:47:11 am
You. Failed. To. Add. Gomer. Being. Muted.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Canary on June 06, 2012, 11:05:04 am
You. Failed. To. Add. Gomer. Being. Muted.

Clearly the most pressing issue in cRPG is Gomer being unmuted. I demand that the devs rectify this mistake right away by muting him, because clearly such travesties are an affront to common decency.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: dodnet on June 06, 2012, 11:09:31 am
You. Failed. To. Add. Gomer. Being. PERMABANNED.

fixed
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Leshma on June 06, 2012, 12:33:28 pm
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Water Drowning you at Knee Level (WTF MY HEADS OUTA THE WATER)

I play without WSE which means whenever I'm in water my chat is being bombed by 14343434 error message every second. Too many times I've died because of it...
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Thovex on June 06, 2012, 12:43:44 pm
I play without WSE which means whenever I'm in water my chat is being bombed by 14343434 error message every second. Too many times I've died because of it...

Then play with WSE.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Kafein on June 06, 2012, 03:08:43 pm
I play without WSE which means whenever I'm in water my chat is being bombed by 14343434 error message every second. Too many times I've died because of it...

Doens't your chat just dissapear upwards if it is spammed like that ?
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Miwiw on June 06, 2012, 03:25:43 pm
2h.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Leshma on June 06, 2012, 03:29:00 pm
Doens't your chat just dissapear upwards if it is spammed like that ?

After 20 errors or so, it does dissapear.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 06, 2012, 04:34:40 pm
Shouldn't 2h and ghost reach be merged into the same category?
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Miwiw on June 06, 2012, 04:38:44 pm
Shouldn't 2h and ghost reach be merged into the same category?

No it's the 2h that complain about the 1h ghost reach...  :lol:
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Leshma on June 06, 2012, 04:39:20 pm
Every weapon has "ghost" reach. Some less some more. Stab and overhead are broken for different reason.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Corsair831 on June 06, 2012, 04:44:38 pm
you missed armour off the list, as well as ranged being underpowered as hell
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Penitent on June 06, 2012, 04:48:55 pm
You forgot an option for nothing.  I didn't vote because I don't think there are any pressing issues with crpg!

There are minor tweaks perhaps, but I am happy with the mod as-is.  No more broad strokes are needed.  I say add new equipment and items.  The rest is fine!
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: LordBerenger on June 06, 2012, 04:54:17 pm
I'm on a foggy, raining battlefield, the thunder of hoofs are closing in...I turn around just in time to see a horse and rider, his shield emblazoned with the image of a smiling sperm.  It's the last thing I see before I die
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 06, 2012, 04:55:44 pm
You forgot an option for nothing.  I didn't vote because I don't think there are any pressing issues with crpg!

There are minor tweaks perhaps, but I am happy with the mod as-is.  No more broad strokes are needed.  I say add new equipment and items.  The rest is fine!

Totally agree, large nerfs and buffs aren't needed IMO.  The mod is pretty well balanced after a couple years of tweaking
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Penitent on June 06, 2012, 05:18:35 pm

I'm on a foggy, raining battlefield, the thunder of hoofs are closing in...I turn around just in time to see a horse and rider, his shield emblazoned with the image of a smiling sperm.  It's the last thing I see before I die

LOL. That reminds me!  Regulations on what can be used as a faction banner could be an issue, but not urgent.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on June 06, 2012, 05:58:07 pm
sense of self-entitlement of many infantry players
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: BlackMilk on June 06, 2012, 05:59:19 pm
POLESTAGGER
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Christo on June 06, 2012, 06:01:53 pm
cRPG.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on June 06, 2012, 06:04:19 pm
you missed armour off the list, as well as ranged being underpowered as hell


Funny how im 1hit while wearing Hourglass Gauntlets and Katafraktoi Armor and the Bow im killed with isan't even a longbow or Nomad Bow even, its by a normal bow thats +3 loomed with non loomed arrows

Yes ranged really is Underpowered  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Spanish on June 06, 2012, 06:08:19 pm
Lawl at courser being best horse obvisouly we need to buff the Arabian with some more armor so it can easily beat the courser as best horse  :wink:

I honestly don't think their is a major in balance in this game. Cav does dominate but in some maps it like I'm better off getting off he horse rather than getting brutally murdered on it.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on June 06, 2012, 06:11:15 pm
Lawl at courser being best horse obvisouly we need to buff the Arabian with some more armor so it can easily beat the courser as best horse  :wink:

I honestly don't think their is a major in balance in this game. Cav does dominate but in some maps it like I'm better off getting off he horse rather than getting brutally murdered on it.

Courser is better then the Arabian? lol wut? since when?   :shock:
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Penitent on June 06, 2012, 06:22:04 pm

Funny how im 1hit while wearing Hourglass Gauntlets and Katafraktoi Armor and the Bow im killed with isan't even a longbow or Nomad Bow even, its by a normal bow thats +3 loomed with non loomed arrows

Yes ranged really is Underpowered  :rolleyes:

If you get hit in the head, it doesn't matter what gloves or armor you are wearing. :)
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on June 06, 2012, 06:33:21 pm
If you get hit in the head, it doesn't matter what gloves or armor you are wearing. :)

I wear the Pigface Klappvisier :3
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Auphilia on June 06, 2012, 06:48:39 pm
And that pigface klappvisier should protect you from melee cut weapons to a degree. Not a projectile piercing into your skull at high speeds.

Also, I've shot a guy in the head at ~15 feet with a mw arbalest and mw steel bolts, and he survived. Sold the arbalest and bolts immediately and grinded out the rest of that generation. If all I get is one shot before I have to find cover to reload for 4 seconds, then I have to make that shot count. If guy can run at me in a strait line without fear of being killed, EVEN if I shoot him in the head with the strongest ranged weapon in the game, then something is seriously wrong.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on June 06, 2012, 07:02:43 pm
"Pigface" helmets were made specifically to deflect arrows if im right, so it doesnt quite make sense, plus its a "high tier" helmet and only has 8 less head armor then the  Weimar Helmet which is the strongest helm so your saying of

And that pigface klappvisier should protect you from melee cut weapons to a degree. Not a projectile piercing into your skull at high speeds.

seems to be a bit off, Im not a medieval expert but im pretty sure it was made to protect you from arrows
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Penitent on June 06, 2012, 07:19:25 pm
I think ranged is fine the way it is, but I do agree that the highest tier helmets should have a chance of taking an arrow and surviving.

So buff helms slightly or nerf headshots slightly.  Nothing drastic!!!
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: matt2507 on June 06, 2012, 07:36:30 pm
Great Maul is not on the list  :(
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Ad1no on June 06, 2012, 07:38:33 pm
SAVE C-RPG!

NERF RANGED
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Gomer on June 07, 2012, 06:20:34 am
Who the fucked changed unmuted to Perma Ban?
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: RibaldRon on June 07, 2012, 12:25:55 pm
Would have voted other, instead voted for the Economy, it's a mess!

This is really the most pressing issue. (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,33294.0.html)
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on June 07, 2012, 09:43:55 pm
polestagger first no surprise, but 2h  in 2nd position??  people (that play in silence without whining on forums) are getting tired by easy mode spamming?
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on June 07, 2012, 10:16:15 pm
polestagger first no surprise, but 2h  in 2nd position??  people (that play in silence without whining on forums) are getting tired by easy mode spamming?

Indeed it seems people are getting fed up of 2h spam and the crazy ass lol stab that give it 80+ reach  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 08, 2012, 12:10:34 am
nm
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 08, 2012, 02:08:26 am
What would be nice would be a realism update:

Poleaxes and greatswords become useless, everyone buys a shield, bows gets damage buff and MASSIVE accuracy nerf, horses get MASSIVE volume buff and become slower and less manouvarable as they take dmg, xbows get slight dmg nerf and massive accuracy nerf, block removed from pikes, weapons that block with wooden pole take dmg and break....many more things.


Then i would be happy with mod. I can dream on I guess.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 08, 2012, 02:08:48 am
Nerf cav
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on June 08, 2012, 02:23:06 am
What would be nice would be a realism update:

Poleaxes and greatswords become useless, everyone buys a shield, bows gets damage buff and MASSIVE accuracy nerf, horses get MASSIVE volume buff and become slower and less manouvarable as they take dmg, xbows get slight dmg nerf and massive accuracy nerf, block removed from pikes, weapons that block with wooden pole take dmg and break....many more things.


Then i would be happy with mod. I can dream on I guess.


why nerf Bows and xbows accuracy? realistically their quite accurate, taking the block from a pike/long spear would be nice seeing as lifting a 7ft+ long piece of wood makes no sense.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Gomer on June 08, 2012, 02:27:38 am

why nerf Bows and xbows accuracy? realistically their quite accurate, taking the block from a pike/long spear would be nice seeing as lifting a 7ft+ long piece of wood makes no sense.
IRL The short composite bows are faster, accuret upto 150 yards and could kill through 2in of steel. THe english longbow was much weaker then composite bows and much slower. IRL the comp bows such as the 'Horn" bow (If from China) would of been the deadliest weapon on the battlefield.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: BlindGuy on June 08, 2012, 02:34:24 am

why nerf Bows and xbows accuracy? realistically their quite accurate, taking the block from a pike/long spear would be nice seeing as lifting a 7ft+ long piece of wood makes no sense.


Realistically, they are NOT quite accurate. Sure if you Youtube archery, you will see some chinese kid pull a Robin Hood Prince of Thieves and split an arrow with another arrow. Historically though: Arrows where not machine made, archers are not machines, at 100 feet shooting a "group" of 6 is considered pretty good, thats 6 arrows all in the same 3 foot circle. Archers take maybe 2 years to be able to do this, with weekly practise. Crossbows also were not accurate, they were hated not because of their deadly power or accuracy, but because with some gold you could buy 100 of them, hire 100 peasants and teach them to shoot in a matter of hours, while archers took years to get to same level of accuracy. At one point the Pope banned any christian from shooting any other christian with a crossbow, and they were considered the most scheming and nasty of all possible ways to fight. Even then they never saw wide use, not compared with archery, and their presence in crpg pains me every day, what a shitheap cheap and dirty way to fight. Also, HORSE CROSSBOWS: NEVER happend, the damage done by any crossbow that can be handdrawn on horseback without LENGHTY use of a detachable windlass would be so minimal that noone would bother, since men in leathers would probably be safe from anything but an eye-shot.

EVERYTHING else no matter how fucked could stay in my opinion, if ONLY they would remove horse crossbows....god damn they make me so furious, not by killing me, just by excisting....what an afront to history.


IRL The short composite bows are faster, accuret upto 150 yards and could kill through 2in of steel. THe english longbow was much weaker then composite bows and much slower. IRL the comp bows such as the 'Horn" bow (If from China) would of been the deadliest weapon on the battlefield.


Your a funny guy, you should do standup. No seriously, where you get this comedy material?
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on June 08, 2012, 02:44:59 am

Realistically, they are NOT quite accurate. Sure if you Youtube archery, you will see some chinese kid pull a Robin Hood Prince of Thieves and split an arrow with another arrow. Historically though: Arrows where not machine made, archers are not machines, at 100 feet shooting a "group" of 6 is considered pretty good, thats 6 arrows all in the same 3 foot circle. Archers take maybe 2 years to be able to do this, with weekly practise. Crossbows also were not accurate, they were hated not because of their deadly power or accuracy, but because with some gold you could buy 100 of them, hire 100 peasants and teach them to shoot in a matter of hours, while archers took years to get to same level of accuracy. At one point the Pope banned any christian from shooting any other christian with a crossbow, and they were considered the most scheming and nasty of all possible ways to fight. Even then they never saw wide use, not compared with archery, and their presence in crpg pains me every day, what a shitheap cheap and dirty way to fight. Also, HORSE CROSSBOWS: NEVER happend, the damage done by any crossbow that can be handdrawn on horseback without LENGHTY use of a detachable windlass would be so minimal that noone would bother, since men in leathers would probably be safe from anything but an eye-shot.

EVERYTHING else no matter how fucked could stay in my opinion, if ONLY they would remove horse crossbows....god damn they make me so furious, not by killing me, just by excisting....what an afront to history.



Your a funny guy, you should do standup. No seriously, where you get this comedy material?

No need for a history lesson geez, actually archery is not that hard to learn as I have done it my self and still do, I do however agree with taking Horse xbowers out because thats just unreal you could probably reload a light crossbow on horseback but it would be a nightmare to do.

as for the pope thing...yeah really don't care but its nice you wasted some of your time on it though :)


IRL The short composite bows are faster, accuret upto 150 yards and could kill through 2in of steel. THe english longbow was much weaker then composite bows and much slower. IRL the comp bows such as the 'Horn" bow (If from China) would of been the deadliest weapon on the battlefield.

True compared to normal bows the "horn" bow from the east were so much stronger and more powerful and yes longbow can be slow to notch and shoot but when trained can be surprisingly fast but in general yeah pretty slow.  :)
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Adamar on June 08, 2012, 03:31:54 am
only 6 voted mauls?
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Bulzur on June 08, 2012, 03:34:12 am
only 6 voted mauls?

You can't change your vote, and they weren't there at the beginning. So...
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Gomer on June 08, 2012, 03:35:26 am
You can't change your vote, and they weren't there at the beginning. So...
Edit: wiill require a reset of votes.

Dear admin allow people to change votes. Thanks Gomer
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: BlackWhite on June 08, 2012, 03:38:02 am
Saw Gomer in-game like last week on Siege.  He was tking, opening doors/gates on defense. Had I know he was such a douche (name should have been a hint) I would have screen shotted.  Why am I putting this here? Because you suck Gomer so I guess this counts as a flame?
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Gomer on June 08, 2012, 05:04:30 am
Saw Gomer in-game like last week on Siege.  He was tking, opening doors/gates on defense. Had I know he was such a douche (name should have been a hint) I would have screen shotted.  Why am I putting this here? Because you suck Gomer so I guess this counts as a flame?
Don't tk my horse on siege. I don't TK. I opened the Door and closed it behind me to go couche pple in spawn. Your a frilly my old friendet who tk'd my horse.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Adamar on June 08, 2012, 05:25:28 am
Kill all horses! No ifs, no buts, just kill em all!!
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 08, 2012, 05:40:44 am
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could kill through 2in of steel

This is two inches:

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I really fucking hope I misunderstood what you said. I desperately wish, for your sake, that something was lost in translation--that you didn't quite type out what you were actually thinking. Maybe your finger slipped, and you pushed "2" instead of "not fucking two". Wait! I've got it! Gomer, you meant to type "mm" instead of "in", right?

I must turn your attention to the beautiful graphic above to illustrate my point. Because right now there are two possibilities: either you made a little mistake, or you possess the combined intelligence of a lobotomy patient, an artichoke, and a cup of noodles. Retarded noodles.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Gomer on June 08, 2012, 05:49:58 am
This is two inches:

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I really fucking hope I misunderstood what you said. I desperately wish, for your sake, that something was lost in translation--that you didn't quite type out what you were actually thinking. Maybe your finger slipped, and you pushed "2" instead of "not fucking two". Wait! I've got it! Gomer, you meant to type "mm" instead of "in", right?

I must turn your attention to the beautiful graphic above to illustrate my point. Because right now there are two possibilities: either you made a little mistake, or you possess the combined intelligence of a lobotomy patient, an artichoke, and a cup of noodles. Retarded noodles.
2MM... I ment 2mm like the size of my penis! Sorry I am american and I am used to real measurements.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: RibaldRon on June 08, 2012, 09:25:24 am
I don't TK.
Gomer you TK all the fucking time.  You once stood on a ladder, as an attacker, and  killed the people  trying to climb up.

An admin saw you do it and chose to do nothing.  I guess we, as a community, then deserve it.

But still, you TK.   Because you're a troll.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: [ptx] on June 08, 2012, 09:47:12 am
Back on EU1, when cmp promised a loom to whoever kills me, this my old friendget immediately proceeded to try and TK me. I find that to be a pressing issue.
Title: Re: The Most Pressing Issue in cRPG?
Post by: Gomer on June 08, 2012, 10:22:27 am
Back on EU1, when cmp promised a loom to whoever kills me, this my old friendget immediately proceeded to try and TK me. I find that to be a pressing issue.
He said "Whoever kills you" Never did I hear CMP say anything about it having to be a enemy....
Gomer you TK all the fucking time.  You once stood on a ladder, as an attacker, and  killed the people  trying to climb up.

An admin saw you do it and chose to do nothing.  I guess we, as a community, then deserve it.

But still, you TK.   Because you're a troll.
I thought I was a defender