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Title: Racism
Post by: RandomOutsider on May 25, 2012, 07:21:41 am
If I'm not mistaken, racism isn't tolerated on cRPG servers. Normally, it's not an issue but sometimes a player can go overboard. I'm not sure who to talk to about this so I'm posting it here. One player asked what's wrong with sleeping with black men earlier and the response was less than respectful.

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This was just a small sample of this player's attitude the entire time.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 25, 2012, 07:30:50 am
Anyone offended by racism is either a nationalist pig or some guy who is trying to make himself feel like he's making a difference.
Also, what's wrong with racism when we're allowed to say whatever the fuck we want 'bout gays? Seems all the devs and admins are really picky about who saying anything bad is not tolerated and who if you say the slightest insult you get permakilled IRL, heck we even got sexism among admins *cough* RandomDude stating that he was gonna mute a guy for calling Leshma a cunt if he'd asked for it, yet to hear of anyone being muted for being called a dick. *cough*
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 25, 2012, 07:35:34 am
I prefer calling things in their real names
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Also if gay would be banable word i would be banned 10 times for it  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Count_Adhamar on May 25, 2012, 07:50:48 am
Racism is everywhere, you can't stop it, but you can ignore it. This is the internet after all, taking things seriously on here is stupid. So quit whining and have a cup of cement.

Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Leesin on May 25, 2012, 07:55:41 am
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Title: Re: Racism
Post by: RandomOutsider on May 25, 2012, 07:58:08 am
I love how everyone says suck it up yet it is a general rule.
No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing...)

Braun wasn't just using derogatory terms, he was baiting and trying to incite with the things he said.

Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 25, 2012, 08:03:55 am
I love how everyone says suck it up yet it is a general rule.
No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing...)

Braun wasn't just using derogatory terms, he was baiting and trying to incite with the things he said.
Maybe the reason everyone says that is 'cuss they believe you're a retard snitch, and they don't believe in the rule.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Count_Adhamar on May 25, 2012, 08:06:48 am
Braun wasn't just using derogatory terms, he was baiting and trying to incite with the things he said.

Like many others do on Warband, what he said is nothing compared to what I've seen on here. This is the internet, get used to it and quit crying.

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Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 25, 2012, 08:07:48 am
Just deal with the "original" name :D
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Son Of Odin on May 25, 2012, 08:13:42 am
Meow when he sees this thread:
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Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Kajia on May 25, 2012, 08:42:22 am
seriously, why do we have people here who lobby FOR racism?
i mean, i am not saying banning this braun idiot is helping anybody, and that we can't just deal with it like mature humans: ignore him and he will eventually stop, or even better: educate the person and they will gain no fun insulting people (even if calling them gays (if thats considered and insult), and whatever)
--- but: what bugs me here is that you Zlisch are calling it a small problem we should just accept, and then you go and insult people for their effort to change something about it - wtf is up with you?
your mum didn't teach you to call out racists for their bullshit? I'm sorry if you missed that opportunity, my mum did and I love her for it.

well anyway, I'm not interested to stirring up the shit in some of the brains around, so I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Vibe on May 25, 2012, 08:45:54 am
Tbh I'm getting more sick of all the racism threads than the actual racists
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Christo on May 25, 2012, 08:57:42 am
Tbh I'm getting more sick of all the racism threads than the actual racists
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: LordBerenger on May 25, 2012, 09:14:31 am
Tbh I'm getting more sick of all the racism threads than the actual racists

I think that sentence classifies as racist.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Son Of Odin on May 25, 2012, 09:28:38 am
I think that sentence classifies as racist.
I think your profile texts classify as racist. "Stop being so sensitive" in there.

Don't bend Vibe's words. That's not what he meant.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Lech on May 25, 2012, 09:51:47 am
There is nothing wrong with racism, and some blacks actually were slaves, just like every other so called race.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Erzengel on May 25, 2012, 10:25:22 am
There is nothing wrong with racism, and some blacks actually were slaves, just like every other so called race.

Perhaps you should write that into your essay.  :D
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: LordBerenger on May 25, 2012, 10:44:13 am
I think your profile texts classify as racist. "Stop being so sensitive" in there.

Don't bend Vibe's words. That's not what he meant.

I was also totally serious.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Lech on May 25, 2012, 10:44:19 am
Perhaps you should write that into your essay.  :D

Good idea! Few lines of text is always few lines of text. I can change the title to "the importance of respecting slaves in online communities".
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Erzengel on May 25, 2012, 10:48:01 am
Good idea! Few lines of text is always few lines of text. I can change the title to "the importance of respecting slaves in online communities".

Go ahead if you think thats a good idea.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Kafein on May 25, 2012, 10:51:47 am
Tbh I'm getting more sick of all the racism threads than the actual racists


Also, I've yet to witness actual hate speech in game, and not just attention-whoring like this.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Lech on May 25, 2012, 10:53:55 am
Go ahead if you think thats a good idea.

Well, i respect other people alike. I'm not biased, for me color of skin, nationality, roots and slave status aren't important at all. Not that i know many slaves irl ...
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Adamar on May 25, 2012, 02:32:31 pm
WTF? Xenophobia is acceptable again? When did this happen?

This is not a good thing for the game.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Haze_The_Hobo on May 25, 2012, 02:47:14 pm
There is no such thing as racism.

If you get hurt over the internet, stop using it.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Butan on May 25, 2012, 03:03:14 pm
When I see this kind of thread, I'm more worried about how people pushing for censorship for good reasons will impact the liberty with which every cRPG players can freely jest on official servers than how actual racists are going to be punished.

If applying the rules to the letters would result in forbidding WORDS and not INTENT (which is often impossible to prove), then the game will become a lot more tedious than it already are for some (especially the old-well-known crew).


I would prefer that the game policy toward griefing stays as it is today: tolerance for all, punishment for the few most terrible persons.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: STOPHammerTime on May 25, 2012, 03:34:24 pm
There is no such thing as racism.

If you get hurt over the internet, stop using it.

And this is exactly why I think all racists are fucking morons.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 25, 2012, 03:35:45 pm
And this is exactly why I think all racists are fucking morons.
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There is no such thing as racism
So how can he be a racist?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Adamar on May 25, 2012, 04:31:19 pm
That was his quote...
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Ptolemy on May 25, 2012, 05:08:11 pm
Everyone is racist in some way. If you think you're not, you need to seriously take a closer look at your beliefs. I for one believe in freedom of speech, I'm not American, I'm not saying "First ammendment FUCK YEAH!", I'm just saying that people should be allowed to say whatever they want.

I also believe in freedom to ignore someone you think is a fucking moron.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: LordBerenger on May 25, 2012, 05:30:20 pm
If you're a finn and you're a racist clap your hands!
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Adamar on May 25, 2012, 05:38:12 pm
Everyone is racist in some way. If you think you're not, you need to seriously take a closer look at your beliefs. I for one believe in freedom of speech, I'm not American, I'm not saying "First ammendment FUCK YEAH!", I'm just saying that people should be allowed to say whatever they want.
I also believe in freedom to ignore someone you think is a fucking moron.

Just saying.

Even if it will cause people to be oppressed in some way?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: TheFocusedOne on May 25, 2012, 09:03:35 pm
I'm just saying that people should be allowed to say whatever they want.

This libertarian ideal is very, very stupid for a well functioning society.

In society there will always be deviant members.  Deviance is (among other things) members of visible minorities, homosexuals, emos, nerds, the mentally handicapped, the extremely poor, the physically disabled - the list goes on and on.

Those in society who are not deviant, on a subconcious level, look to segregate themselves from those that they see as deviant - and hate speech perpetuates this by enforcing negative social morays (schema) into the collective conciousness of the society.  Because no matter how smart or above 'peer pressure' you think you are - hearing something often enough makes you more prone to believe that thing - it is called classical conditioning and it works on pretty much every animal.

To that end, some speech is actually destructive to the foundations of freedom and equality that our society so highly lauds.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Herkkutatti on May 25, 2012, 09:05:18 pm
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Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 25, 2012, 09:23:02 pm
seriously, why do we have people here who lobby FOR racism?
i mean, i am not saying banning this braun idiot is helping anybody, and that we can't just deal with it like mature humans: ignore him and he will eventually stop, or even better: educate the person and they will gain no fun insulting people (even if calling them gays (if thats considered and insult), and whatever)
--- but: what bugs me here is that you Zlisch are calling it a small problem we should just accept, and then you go and insult people for their effort to change something about it - wtf is up with you?
your mum didn't teach you to call out racists for their bullshit? I'm sorry if you missed that opportunity, my mum did and I love her for it.

well anyway, I'm not interested to stirring up the shit in some of the brains around, so I'll leave it at that.
All this fear of racists and chocolate chip cookie's are fucking up peoples brains, I recall once being on EU_1 with more than half the players denying that Seinstein and his crew were quite intelligent people, and then insulting the hell out of me for claiming it... I believe freedom of speech is important shit and unless you're scammin' 'n' shit or actually being a threat to other peoples lives then it's a lot more important not to fuck up freedom of speech than to ban speech you disagree with, I believe in the right to be a racist asshole. As long as the persons intentions are not to physically harm another human being I do believe he should be allowed to say whatever fucked up shit he pleases.

And if society wants to cut down on racism the first step (and probably the final one as well) would be to stop teaching nationalistic ideas to people, not mention how wrong what is caused by nationalism is while ignoring the cause, while waving your countries flag and talking about how you're a better person than anybody else due to being born in Sweden or something.

And BTW, an insult only maters if it comes from someone you respect, and I doubt you respect the racists, so why does their opinion mater and have to be dealt with as long as it's pretty clear they ain't gonna go out and massacre a bunch of children the next day?

Also, I recall once in NW a guy was banpolling some guy called 104th_Tony_the_Slave or something due to using black skin color along with his name, is Tony_the_Slave a horrible person? Do we want people banned for that shit here?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: RandomOutsider on May 25, 2012, 09:36:54 pm
All this fear of racists and chocolate chip cookie's are fucking up peoples brains, I recall once being on EU_1 with more than half the players denying that Seinstein and his crew were quite intelligent people, and then insulting the hell out of me for claiming it... I believe freedom of speech is important shit and unless you're scammin' 'n' shit or actually being a threat to other peoples lives then it's a lot more important not to fuck up freedom of speech than to ban speech you disagree with, I believe in the right to be a racist asshole. As long as the persons intentions are not to physically harm another human being I do believe he should be allowed to say whatever fucked up shit he pleases.

And if society wants to cut down on racism the first step (and probably the final one as well) would be to stop teaching nationalistic ideas to people, not mention how wrong what is caused by nationalism is while ignoring the cause, while waving your countries flag and talking about how you're a better person than anybody else due to being born in Sweden or something.

And BTW, an insult only maters if it comes from someone you respect, and I doubt you respect the racists, so why does their opinion mater and have to be dealt with as long as it's pretty clear they ain't gonna go out and massacre a bunch of children the next day?

Also, I recall once in NW a guy was banpolling some guy called 104th_Tony_the_Slave or something due to using black skin color along with his name, is Tony_the_Slave a horrible person? Do we want people banned for that shit here?

You weren't there when (Braun/BlindPew/whatever name the coward has now) was talking. He wasn't just saying things, he was trying to provoke us with his comments.
Obviously we both have different opinions on the issue. At least you're willing to come here and talk about it in a civil manner. Let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 25, 2012, 09:50:26 pm
he was trying to provoke us with his comments.
If he was doing that he wasn't a racist, just some random asshole, probably didn't believe in half the shit he was sayin'...
...while I personally believe all races and nationalities are equally not something to be proud of I don't mind others having other opinions...
IMO if the person was trying to provoke him you should've just muted him as an asshole and not as a person with different world views and opinions of right and wrong.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 25, 2012, 09:51:50 pm
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Random facts, I guess? More people where I live need to hear them since they are stupid white cloaks(not really) and hate others. Just wish people'd see facts straight.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: RandomOutsider on May 25, 2012, 10:13:07 pm
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Random facts, I guess? More people where I live need to hear them since they are stupid white cloaks(not really) and hate others. Just wish people'd see facts straight.

Seriously, your analogies need to be better. Comparing the working conditions in China (no doubt really bad) to what he meant by slavery is completely different.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 25, 2012, 10:15:42 pm
Seriously, your analogies need to be better. Comparing the working conditions in China (no doubt really bad) to what he meant by slavery is completely different.

I didn't direct it to anyone. The guy above talked about slavery?

I was just posting that out there.

And yea, i DO suck at analogies.

We need an Alien invasion or something so that we can have a common enemy or something we can put our hate towards. Best way to get people to unite is have an outside threat
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: RandomOutsider on May 25, 2012, 10:20:08 pm
We need the Reapers to come and give us a better ending.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Leshma on May 25, 2012, 10:47:17 pm
I'm just saying that people should be allowed to say whatever they want.

People should stay silent until they think of something smart to say, imho.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Rainbow on May 25, 2012, 11:19:36 pm
All this fear of racists and chocolate chip cookie's are fucking up peoples brains, I recall once being on EU_1 with more than half the players denying that Seinstein and his crew were quite intelligent people, and then insulting the hell out of me for claiming it... I believe freedom of speech is important shit and unless you're scammin' 'n' shit or actually being a threat to other peoples lives then it's a lot more important not to fuck up freedom of speech than to ban speech you disagree with, I believe in the right to be a racist asshole. As long as the persons intentions are not to physically harm another human being I do believe he should be allowed to say whatever fucked up shit he pleases.

And if society wants to cut down on racism the first step (and probably the final one as well) would be to stop teaching nationalistic ideas to people, not mention how wrong what is caused by nationalism is while ignoring the cause, while waving your countries flag and talking about how you're a better person than anybody else due to being born in Sweden or something.

And BTW, an insult only maters if it comes from someone you respect, and I doubt you respect the racists, so why does their opinion mater and have to be dealt with as long as it's pretty clear they ain't gonna go out and massacre a bunch of children the next day?

Also, I recall once in NW a guy was banpolling some guy called 104th_Tony_the_Slave or something due to using black skin color along with his name, is Tony_the_Slave a horrible person? Do we want people banned for that shit here?

LOL at first grade responses.  Okay freedom of speech as long as you don't physically harm anybody.  Lets revert back to the days of burning crosses on lawns and spray painting racial slurs on garage doors.  You are just a pot stirer.  As long as you get a rise out of somebody you feel as if you have accomplished something. 

On a side note people often times feel 100x larger then life in cyber world.  Remember this!  It may seem as if the people you are talking to and poorly about have no names and faces but i'm here to tell you they do.  Words are symbolic to meaning and passion and when you start pulling on those strings chaos breaks out from order.  I know I know... Grow a thicker skin right?  I would rather see a world where people treat others with respect then everybody just grow a thicker skin and burn crosses in lawns.  Being calous *spelling?* is so ugly afterall.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: TheFocusedOne on May 25, 2012, 11:25:56 pm
It may seem as if the people you are talking to and poorly about have no names and faces but i'm here to tell you they do.  Words are symbolic to meaning and passion and when you start pulling on those strings chaos breaks out from order.  I know I know... Grow a thicker skin right?  I would rather see a world where people treat others with respect then everybody just grow a thicker skin and burn crosses in lawns.  Being calous *spelling?* is so ugly afterall.

Intelligence and empathy on cRPG forums?  What is this sorcery?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Olwen on May 25, 2012, 11:27:41 pm
Anyone offended by racism is either a nationalist pig or some guy who is trying to make himself feel like he's making a difference.

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Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Bjord on May 25, 2012, 11:44:00 pm
Don't bend Vibe's words. That's not what he meant.

Gosh! Everyone knows what he meant!

Obviously Vibe wants us to bend him over, not his words.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: RandomOutsider on May 26, 2012, 01:46:03 am
Locking this thread. Some people will always be immature about this issue.
The things you say here in the forums and in-game not only reflects upon yourself but also the general cRPG community.