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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 27, 2012, 01:57:02 pm
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Dadao
weapon length: 115 -2
weight: 3
difficulty: 12 +6 (Nearly everyone has 16 STR though)
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 115 -2
thrust damage: 0 pierce NO THRUST/ -22 pierce
swing damage: 42 cut -1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
5,226 only thing it really beats the highlander in...
From my +'s and -'s (considerably more of these) you can see how the highlander claymore beats my beloved Dadao in every way ('cept cash which doesn't really mater much after gen 1, and the difficulty going from so low everyone can use it including katana based agi spammers to medium.).
I personally propose a small stat change for the Dadao to make it in my opinion balanced would be to make the dadao a oneslot weapon (please note I'm heavily biased as I use it on my armored archer alt and would like an extra slot for arrows). This change would make the Dadao a better weapon for hybrids and would not nerf the highlander thus still keeping "somewhat" balance in the greatsword family.
EDIT: IMO giving it 45 cut would also balance it along with a possible boost in price. (this would however require a slight boost in one of the war cleavers stats)
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one slot...
the mace wasn't enough I see...
(aka.. just explain me how your 115 lenght 3 weight dadao can be 2 slot while the short longsword/HBS/BS is two...)
maybe a slight slight buff like +1 speed... but that's all.
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If this was one slot, it might become far too popular as a side arm.
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This wep has hella high cut damage. good lord.
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This was the 2nd 2h I bought when I first started cRPG and I did fine with it. It's fine as is.
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Also, The highlander claymore is way more expensive. It should beat it in every way. I'm not understanding why you would compare a 5k sword to a 12.8k sword and say it's not fair because the more expensive sword is a little better. I'm confused.
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(aka.. just explain me how your 115 lenght 3 weight dadao can be 2 slot while the short longsword/HBS/BS is two...)
IMO most of the low tier twohanders need some buff, however, all those swords you mentioned aren't worse in every other way 'cept difficulty 'n' cost than some other weapon... with the Dadao however this is different.
Also, The highlander claymore is way more expensive. It should beat it in every way. I'm not understanding why you would compare a 5k sword to a 12.8k sword and say it's not fair because the more expensive sword is a little better. I'm confused.
It may be way more expensive, but people buy 1+ extra damage and 1+ extra speed for 600k, get my point?
Also, highland is not "a little" better, it got a stab (which is a huge bonus), it's longer, and it even got more cut.
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Use the highlander claymore and stop having so much sword envy. You talk that sword up an awful lot anyways so use it. Enjoy the new upkeep though. =P. People always wanting sumthin for nuthin!
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Use the highlander claymore and stop having so much sword envy. You talk that sword up an awful lot anyways so use it. Enjoy the new upkeep though. =P. People always wanting sumthin for nuthin!
Would use it if it didn't look like shit with my armor.
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Dadao
weapon length: 115 -7
weight: 3 -0.5
difficulty: 12 -4
speed rating: 92 +1
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 42 cut -1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Cost: 5,226 -8,540
Nodaichi
weapon length: 122 +7
weight: 3.5 +5
difficulty: 16 +4
speed rating: 91 -1
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 43 cut +1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Cost: 13,766 + 8,540
This sword is less than half the price of the Nodaichi and the difference is negligable. In fact, due to it's much lower STR requirement, I'd go so far as to say that it's better.
No buff, if anything, it should actually be nerfed.
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Dadao
weapon length: 115 -7
weight: 3 -0.5
difficulty: 12 -6
speed rating: 92 +1
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 42 cut +1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Cost: 5,226 -8,540
Nodaichi
weapon length: 122 +7
weight: 3.5 +5
difficulty: 16 +4
speed rating: 91 -1
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 43 cut +1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Cost: 13,766 + 8,540
This sword is less than half the price of the Nodaichi and the difference is negligable. In fact, due to it's much lower STR requirement, I'd go so far as to say that it's better.
No buff.
1+ speed is only real advantage Dadao has ('cuss no one with 100k+ cRPG gold is gonna think twice about using more expensive and better weapon... Nodachi however is longer (7+ length is a lot) and deals 1+ more cut damage (1+ isn't that big, but still)... also, everyone knows Nodachi is not a good twohander weapon, but Dadao IS worse... and is in a bigger need for a buff...
...so go eat a cow or somethin'.
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If it gets a buff, it should be much more expensive.
+1 is really no difference at all at the end of the day, be it damage or speed.
7 length is basically nothing, it's not even really noticable on the battlefield, it's what, 0.1 of a second more running before you can hit? If that?
0.5 Weight really makes very little difference, the Nodaichi will stun more often (barely) yes, but it'll also slow down your running acceleration more as well, so it's even there.
That just leaves the cost, which the Dadao is under half of what the Nodaichi is - this doesn't factor into if people will buy it or not, true, but it does factor into repair costs, which is significant. Either make the Nodaichi cheaper, or don't buff the Dadao.
The way I see it, the Dadao is a middle of the line sword for middle of the line use, at which it excells as it's one of those swords which is almost as good as it's far more expensive counter-parts. This doesn't need to change, that's my opinion.
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If it gets a buff, it should be much more expensive.
+1 is really no difference at all at the end of the day, be it damage or speed.
7 length is basically nothing, it's not even really noticable on the battlefield, it's what, 0.1 of a second more running before you can hit? If that?
0.5 Weight really makes very little difference, the Nodaichi will stun more often (barely) yes, but it'll also slow down your running acceleration more as well, so it's even there.
That just leaves the cost, which the Dadao is under half of what the Nodaichi is - this doesn't factor into if people will buy it or not, true, but it does factor into repair costs, which is significant. Either make the Nodaichi cheaper, or don't buff the Dadao.
The way I see it, the Dadao is a middle of the line sword for middle of the line use, at which it excells as it's one of those swords which is almost as good as it's far more expensive counter-parts. This doesn't need to change, that's my opinion.
7 length is NOT barely nothing, try outstabbing a danish greatsword with a longsword, once you're capable of blocking, and fighting another capable blocker who doesn't spam insane feints and isn't a pro chamberer around 50% of all hits will be due to outstabbing (if you're both using a danish greatsword).
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Completely disregarding whether a change is actually needed, changing the slot requirements on a weapon is not in any way a slight change. It fundamentally changes how the weapon can be used. Be very wary of slot changes, as they can and almost certainly will have unintended consequences.
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Dadao doesn't need a buff.
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personally I love the dadao it "could" use a +1 speed that would be cool but then it would make the Mdao kinda worthless.
But if anyone wants to trade a +1/2 miadao for a +1/2 Dadoa I'm willing!
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I think the dadao is great value for money.
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AO is a good dad, he created us all.
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Dadao is one of the best weapon in 2H department. I'll trade my mw longsword for mw Dadao in any time.
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It has a curved blade. This is a huge yet subtle advantage. Try the Twohandedsword it is fast, damaging, long, cheap and has a stab.
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Not really sure the curved blade does much except look like the blade is closer than the hitbox actually is.
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Dadao is one of the best weapon in 2H department. I'll trade my mw longsword for mw Dadao in any time.
Considering I just posted another sword with better (or equal) stats in all departments are you sure you wanna make such a trade?
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+1 more speed and some increase in it's cost, and we got a very nice sword there. It's the Sultan of All Swords (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28031.msg409133.html#msg409133)!
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I use my highland gaymore because i like the high cut damage while the pierce is mostly just a "hey I can poke you but I'd rather overhead you anyday" kinda thing. I only master worked it because I like the way it looks' I mainly rely off of my lightsaber (Mw heavy bastard sword) to kill people. Besides the dadao almost does the same damage 1 less has the same speed and what 2 length both of which is nearly the same and you lose a stab which honestly just gets in my way. Your logic dictates that since the elite scimitar, steel pick and Iberian mace are underpowered because they lack a stab and should be buffed. Suck it up and either pay for the claymore or be happy with dadao cuz its pissing me off you get nearly the same stats for such a cheap weapon
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I use my highland gaymore because i like the high cut damage while the pierce is mostly just a "hey I can poke you but I'd rather overhead you anyday" kinda thing. I only master worked it because I like the way it looks' I mainly rely off of my lightsaber (Mw heavy bastard sword) to kill people. Besides the dadao almost does the same damage 1 less has the same speed and what 2 length both of which is nearly the same and you lose a stab which honestly just gets in my way. Your logic dictates that since the elite scimitar, steel pick and Iberian mace are underpowered because they lack a stab and should be buffed. Suck it up and either pay for the claymore or be happy with dadao cuz its pissing me off you get nearly the same stats for such a cheap weapon
Twohander stab is extremely overpowered and usefull if you don't suck with it, and I'll say that the elite scimmy, the steel pick and the Iberian mace are underpowered once there is a weapon with the same stats in every category ('cept slightly better in a few spots) which also has a stab.
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If any 2h weapon should be lowered to 1 slot I'd say a light, low-difficulty 2h/1h one. Like the bastard sword.
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This wep hits like a truck plus the curve blade like somebody said has HUGE advantages. When you attack from the sides of people and hit without completing the animation, it won't glance. I say nerf this wep because of the cost or raise the cost significantly and leave the stats alone. Super strong wep.
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This wep hits like a truck plus the curve blade like somebody said has HUGE advantages. When you attack from the sides of people and hit without completing the animation, it won't glance. I say nerf this wep because of the cost or raise the cost significantly and leave the stats alone. Super strong wep.
Just sayin', curved blade don't magically prevent a weapon from glancing, this blade may be curved but it ain't really got ghostrange or shit like that, if you think a curved model is gonna prevent a weapon from glancing I hope no one takes your posts serious.
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I almost couldn't post when you said the elite scimmy was underpowered as well as the steel pick both of which many 1h wield effectivly better than the 1h stab ones. Im not posting in this sad sad thread again to much ridiculousness
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I almost couldn't post when you said the elite scimmy was underpowered...
...ONCE THERE IS A WEAPON BETTER OR EQUAL IN EVERY WAY BUT COST BUT ALSO HAS A DECENT STAB (AND THIS IS A TWOHANDER, WHILE ONEHANDER STAB IS FUN AND AWESOME IT'S NOT NEARLY AS EFFECTIVE)
Read my entire post please.
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...ONCE THERE IS A WEAPON BETTER OR EQUAL IN EVERY WAY BUT COST BUT ALSO HAS A DECENT STAB (AND THIS IS A TWOHANDER, WHILE ONEHANDER STAB IS FUN AND AWESOME IT'S NOT NEARLY AS EFFECTIVE)
Read my entire post please.
If anything, one handed stabs can be seen as more effective depending on how they're used.
I know I absolutely hate the time dilating thrusts the 1h and polearms have where I did before they go through the motion of stabbing.
So they just chamber a thrust, spin around then I'm dead and AFTER I've hit the dirt, the actual animation of stabbing happens.
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If anything, one handed stabs can be seen as more effective depending on how they're used.
I know I absolutely hate the time dilating thrusts the 1h and polearms have where I did before they go through the motion of stabbing.
So they just chamber a thrust, spin around then I'm dead and AFTER I've hit the dirt, the actual animation of stabbing happens.
Onehanded stab is effective, if you don't suck with it, but what makes the twohanded stab so good is that it can pretty much outreach everything
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Dadao is great, doesn't need a buff
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Dadao is good.
Dont use it though. it looks bad and is inferior because it is cheap as you say yourself.
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Buff? lol are you serious?
If anything it needs a small nerf to make the war cleaver a more visible upgrade of the dadao.
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Buff? lol are you serious?
If anything it needs a small nerf to make the war cleaver a more visible upgrade of the dadao.
Currently highland claymore is the upgrade... :rolleyes:
Warcleaver is just a weapon with slightly similar stats 'cept a few changes here 'n' there, not an actual upgrade, more a different item.