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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: Chagan_Arslan on April 14, 2012, 11:30:35 pm
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its the end of the round 8 vs 2 gk's one on horse one on foot, situation seems kind of hopeless so the on horse is giving the horse to the one on foot Hentzi the horse archer with almost full quiver
it turns 8vs1 soon and Hentzi starts to shoot them its 2:30 to the end, and rage on the chat begins in the next 30 seconds Hentzi kills 3 guys, while on chat he is called delayer and stuff like he cant win
finally the Bandit_Vagabond is making a poll to kick him, after he saw it he dismounted to avoid kick
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now i think that if the poll wasnt there he might win as he is good horse archer with skills to do it
also i wouldnt make this kick request if couple of maps later i didnt see how bandits went ankwardly silent to the fact that the last guy in their team Renay, was hiding with a crossbow on a side of the hill, and eventually made a draw as nobody could find him except for one guy that got killed by him
fun fact: Renay was also saying Hentzi was delaying just to pull some shit like he did later
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Making a poll to kick a guy because you are afraid of losing your multi is kinda weak. But it often happens when a HA is left. But chagan I think that Vagabond was not the only one ready to press the poll button. Give the guy a warning :P
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Okay, I was there both times. When Hentzi was the last one left, he was a Horse Archer and he kept riding away, meaning none of the meleers left alive had a chance to kill him. That is delaying in my eyes.
To the other situation. I was not hiding. I was on the mountain during the whole round and whenever somebody came to kill me, they died instead.
I was defending myself against my attackers. That is not delaying as far as I know. At some point I was the last one left and I went behind a tree to reload my crossbow, then everybody started writing I shouldn't hide and I should jump and kill myself. I don't think it's against the rules to not suicide as the last guy so they can keep their multiplier. If they wanna keep their multi, they have to work for it, meaning they have to kill me, but apparrently they were unable to, so why should I suicide?
And I have no problems with Hentzi whatsoever, I actually like that horse my old friend. I just thought it was stupid to keep riding away and making others wait.
Edit: Also, they did see me, I jumped around and whistled so they can see me.
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Okay, I was there both times. When Hentzi was the last one left, he was a Horse Archer and he kept riding away, meaning none of the meleers left alive had a chance to kill him. That is delaying in my eyes.
he had arrows, he was shooting...
ahh these ninjas.. always these ninjas :-/
what should a horsearcher do ?
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he had arrows, he was shooting...
ahh these ninjas.. always these ninjas :-/
what should a horsearcher do ?
So basically you are saying, if an archer on foot is left, he can keep on running away and shoot when there is the opportunity.
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Okay, I was there both times. When Hentzi was the last one left, he was a Horse Archer and he kept riding away, meaning none of the meleers left alive had a chance to kill him. That is delaying in my eyes.
To the other situation. I was not hiding. I was on the mountain during the whole round and whenever somebody came to kill me, they died instead.
I was defending myself against my attackers. That is not delaying as far as I know. At some point I was the last one left and I went behind a tree to reload my crossbow, then everybody started writing I shouldn't hide and I should jump and kill myself. I don't think it's against the rules to not suicide as the last guy so they can keep their multiplier. If they wanna keep their multi, they have to work for it, meaning they have to kill me, but apparrently they were unable to, so why should I suicide?
And I have no problems with Hentzi whatsoever, I actually like that horse my old friend. I just thought it was stupid to keep riding away and making others wait.
Edit: Also, they did see me, I jumped around and whistled so they can see me.
You were doing nothing on that hill. Time was clearly running out and you just waited there untill time ran out, causing a draw. You were outnumbered by far aswell. If this is not delaying then I don't know what is.
Anyway the point is that when Hentzi clearly had a chance fighting these last 5 guys with plenty of time left, this Vagabond polls just because he is scared to lose and because Hentzi is GK. And then the next map you actually delay and cause a draw while Vagabond is in your team and he doesn't make a poll. I'm sick and tired of this anti GK shit, especially by these Bandits. I believe us GK's have tolerated a lot of their douchebaggery but enough is enough. They used to try and be trolls but that time has long gone. They have turned themselves into ordinary douchebags. And nobody likes a douchebag. A shame because I think Gnjus is a nice and smart guy. He should tighten his leash on these idiots.
Regards,
Kerrigan
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I was spectating Renay and he was shooting till the end and even 30 secs before the round was ending, he was killing someone with this sword!
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So basically you are saying, if an archer on foot is left, he can keep on running away and shoot when there is the opportunity.
yes. but not passively standing on a roof. he must react with movement yes
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what molly said.
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Hentzi never delays and never caused a draw. He just dismounts and sometimes fight or wait for enemy to slay him. There are some HAs that like to delay but those certainly aren't members of GK clan.
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Hentzi never delays and never caused a draw. He just dismounts and sometimes fight or wait for enemy to slay him. There are some HAs that like to delay but those certainly aren't members of GK clan.
EHM! NuuK ...
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You are responsible for Nuuk's behavior just like he is responsible for yours. Don't blame GKs for that...
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The rule about delaying is when the person who is last man is running away from an enemy without trying to engage in any kind of combat. 1. Hentzi still had enough arrows to be able to take the remaining players down. 2. Vagabond was alive at the time and decided that he couldn't do anything about Hentzi after seeing some of his fellow teammates that I will point out in full plate armour,and Hentzi had a strong chance of winning the round. 3. This is a bankable offence as it can be classed as abusing the poll system.
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ill take my archer alt, be quite passive until the end of an round and then run away with my 10 agility, shoot one arrow and then run away again. and that will continue til an draw, cuz i aint stopping. sounds fair?
yes, running and shooting sounds fair. in my experience, which is probably far away from yours,
many archers always do that, when I try to kill them. just running and shooting.
though, some of them stops and grabs a melee weapon, respect for them.
The game becomes hopeless when it remains last horse/archer... not specialy a GK
Once you see the game playing "cat vs mouse with arrows" on those few longs minutes, it would be difficult to dont press 1 on the keyboard...
I also pressed 1 against Hentzi, of course, I always press 1, no hard feelings.
we are not talking about pressing 1 or 2,
but about initiating a kick/ban poll against an other player.
I officially liberate your soul.
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Do you expect an archer with 0 power strike to fight with a melee weapon? That would be same as expecting a twohander with 0 power draw and 1 archery wpf to shoot arrows.
Also keep in mind that arrows are not in infinite amount, just 17 per stack or so.
I think whomever opened that poll deserves a ban for poll abuse. It doesn't matter if he did not do the same for his teammates/clanmates. The former reason should be solely enough.
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Are you actually serious??? How is it fair if a single guy is left and keeps on riding away so he can not be killed?? They had absolutely no chance to reach him and none of them had any ranged. I think this should just be left alone now and nobody should be banned.
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Are you actually serious??? How is it fair if a single guy is left and keeps on riding away so he can not be killed?? They had absolutely no chance to reach him and none of them had any ranged. I think this should just be left alone now and nobody should be banned.
So they had no chance of winning against him? So they are delaying?
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If a horse archer or other ranged class is running away and shooting then he isn't delaying.
If people take cover so that he can't shoot anyone, he has to dismount and engage in melee. If they don't take cover, he can keep shooting and running until the round is over or everyone dies or he runs out of arrows.
This is the official stance, there is no other interpretation of the rules.
Nobody will be banned this time, but if people go on accusing ranged players of delaying while they really aren't, feel free to remind them that junk polls are a bannable offense because next time it will be enforced.
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If people take cover so that he can't shoot anyone, he has to dismount and engage in melee. If they don't take cover, he can keep shooting and running until the round is over or everyone dies or he runs out of arrows.
This is the official stance, there is no other interpretation of the rules.
HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAAHAHHAHHHAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAA... next time I bring a shovel and try to dig a hole to hide in this open maps without cover. :mrgreen:
There should be a rule like last HA/HX has 30 seconds to kill someone then he has to dismount. Its fucking boring watching this crap for minutes while dead/alive.
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nm, has been said already
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i have been kicked from a server by an admin while i was horse xbowman pre gen i was the last against about 10 guys including ranged and cav players:P it was an open map i wasnt hiding, was always close to the enemy to avoid whine about running away and was attacking. there are no rules that say horse ranged as a last guy is forbidden but i thnk it was common sense f*** common sense.
i dont know how to quote this properly:S anyways this is a post of mine it was the frozen lake map i thnk not sure about its name.
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Ill let this of with a WARNING,
delaying can piss people off and isn't allowed, but take care that avoiding the enemy is not allways delaying (such as most likely in this case).
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thread remains open if anyone wants to discuss what is/isn't delaying.
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Ok since the thread is open for the purpose of discussing, let me go for it, that I have something doesn't quite fit into my mind there.
If a horse archer or other ranged class is running away and shooting then he isn't delaying.
If people take cover so that he can't shoot anyone, he has to dismount and engage in melee. If they don't take cover, he can keep shooting and running until the round is over or everyone dies or he runs out of arrows.
This is the official stance, there is no other interpretation of the rules.
Isn't this rule a bit unfair? I'm not good with horse archery builds, but since archers have very limited skill points; which leaves them with most likely 0 PS and 1 WPF in melee. Also 0 athletics in that case, since it is a horse archer. How can a Horse Archer is expected to dismount and engage in melee? Shouldn't the both sides wait for the flag? And let's say the flag did not appear on map, well shouldn't it be more like the horse archer should fight with a melee weapon on horseback at least? In that case, the other side should stop hiding as well. So wouldn't itl be much more fair treatment that way? The current seems brutal in the horse archer's perspective.
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Ok since the thread is open for the purpose of discussing, let me go for it, that I have something doesn't quite fit into my mind there.Isn't this rule a bit unfair? I'm not good with horse archery builds, but since archers have very limited skill points; which leaves them with most likely 0 PS and 1 WPF in melee. Also 0 athletics in that case, since it is a horse archer. How can a Horse Archer is expected to dismount and engage in melee? Shouldn't the both sides wait for the flag? And let's say the flag did not appear on map, well shouldn't it be more like the horse archer should fight with a melee weapon on horseback at least? In that case, the other side should stop hiding as well. So wouldn't itl be much more fair treatment that way? The current seems brutal in the horse archer's perspective.
Unfair? Are you kidding?
The rule is fair to both horse archer and rest of the world because it allows the former to fight without being flagged as delayers, but at the same time it avoids stupid stalemate situations, like doing nothing for minutes waiting for the flag.
And yes, dismounting is not necessary when fighting with a melee weapon, but if people are behind cover most of the time it will be hard to reach them on a horse.
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Unfair? Are you kidding?
The rule is fair to both horse archer and rest of the world because it allows the former to fight without being flagged as delayers, but at the same time it avoids stupid stalemate situations, like doing nothing for minutes waiting for the flag.
And yes, dismounting is not necessary when fighting with a melee weapon, but if people are behind cover most of the time it will be hard to reach them on a horse.
Make it so that no one cowers behind a wall and horse archer can fight on horseback. Not that the horse archer is at adventage with that possibly short one slot one handed weapon on horse back, against his/her opponent with a possibly gigantic sized greatsword. I am surprised someone like you did not even come with much of an argument. Have you guys even know the word "fallacy" or pretend like a politician to use the mass ignorance to your adventage? Explain the reason why this is not fair. What you do is to explain why that rule does exist. Also the phrase you use at the beginning "unfair? are you kidding?" is an offending word; which supposedly boosts your statement's power up while decreasing my reputation. Or at least it is an attempt to to make mine bad, and bless yours. These are called "fallacy" in case you are not familiar with it.
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stupid monkey.
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Make it so that no one cowers behind a wall and horse archer can fight on horseback.
So, you wanna add to the rules, that people are not allowed to take cover from a horse archer if he is the last one?
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Make it so that no one cowers behind a wall and horse archer can fight on horseback. Not that the horse archer is at adventage with that possibly short one slot one handed weapon on horse back, against his/her opponent with a possibly gigantic sized greatsword. I am surprised someone like you did not even come with much of an argument. Have you guys even know the word "fallacy" or pretend like a politician to use the mass ignorance to your adventage? Explain the reason why this is not fair. What you do is to explain why that rule does exist. Also the phrase you use at the beginning "unfair? are you kidding?" is an offending word; which supposedly boosts your statement's power up while decreasing my reputation. Or at least it is an attempt to to make mine bad, and bless yours. These are called "fallacy" in case you are not familiar with it.
You got it all wrong, that statement is not supposed to boost my other's statement power, it's supposed to show my incredulity when I read your post. If you didn't know, before this rule, it was perfectly acceptable for an admin to warn/kick a horse archer for delaying, even if he still had arrows and the chance to fight.
I gave you the hand, you try to take the arm. Nope.
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If people take cover so that he can't shoot anyone, he has to dismount and engage in melee. If they don't take cover, he can keep shooting and running until the round is over or everyone dies or he runs out of arrows.
This is the official stance, there is no other interpretation of the rules.
please make this rule known to all NA admins
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You got it all wrong, that statement is not supposed to boost my other's statement power, it's supposed to show my incredulity when I read your post. If you didn't know, before this rule, it was perfectly acceptable for an admin to warn/kick a horse archer for delaying, even if he still had arrows and the chance to fight.
I gave you the hand, you try to take the arm. Nope.
Ok. Then this shows this was a revolutionary change. But hey! There's always better. When Thomas Moore wrote "the utopia" it was the most ideal utopia mankind have ever dreamed of. But now, it's flaws can be spotted very easily by everyone who has a bit of an idea about the subject.
So I'm offering an even more revolutionary (in my perception) idea. Since it is very unfair that a horse archer have to dismount and engage in melee while it has no melee stats, even lacking a good amount of athletics. While on the other hand, since the other guy can not fight back with a ranged weapon; this makes him a melee class which makes him far more superior in close combat.
Now, what I suggest is; make it so that, when the melee guy hides behind some walls and the horse archer guy can not shoot him. Let them wait for the flag first.
If the flag doesn't appear make it so that, Horse Archer has to use a melee weapon; from horseback (or dismounted if he/she wants). While the melee guy, should not be hiding anymore to make it possible the Horse Archer to use it's horse. This is, I think, is a much more fair treatment. Not saying it is the best, but I personally can not think anything better. Thereby, I suggest it.
And ok. That might be your style of writing. But that is what this statement does normally. Or is where it actually originated from. I see many people use the same style as well, so it is percieved as a natural behavior in here. However I would wish that people would stop using these. So it is actually you gave me the hand, I embraced it and gave my arm. You did not take it. Or I am highly schizophreniac. Or we think we are talking in the same language, but we don't in reality.
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But the whole point is to avoid delaying, because it's boring. If we force people to wait for the flag, there's no improvement...
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what about making the flags appear automatically when a team has 1 last guy? didnt think on this too much maybe a stupit idea :P or flag time can be set to a shorter time when a team has 1 last guy, like 30 sec?
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ok guys support me :) http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,30561.new.html#new
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what about making the flags appear automatically when a team has 1 last guy?
This sounds alright.
Ronins suggestion is unfair to meleers, why would we not be allowed to hide from horses, they have a huge advantage over infantry.
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Ronins suggestion is unfair to meleers, why would we not be allowed to hide from horses, they have a huge advantage over infantry.
Not for cavs, but horse archers. The horse archer will have a horse to compensate it's 1 wpf and 0 ps, while the melee will still have a chance to kill him with his melee weapon. Even if the melee class is one hander, I think he has a good chance to win. After all, it comes to mindplay. Not to mention it is much more easier for the twohanders and polers, due to the long range.
what about making the flags appear automatically when a team has 1 last guy? didnt think on this too much maybe a stupit idea :P or flag time can be set to a shorter time when a team has 1 last guy, like 30 sec?
This is a good suggestion. But it should fall under the suggestions corner, that there is nothing admins can do about it. It's game mechanics, therefore devs' work. I'd love to see this done and would make completely solve the problem. But we can only discuss about the server rules right now.
But the whole point is to avoid delaying, because it's boring. If we force people to wait for the flag, there's no improvement...
You got a point there. Even if I think people should be more patient than they are and actually wait for the round to finish, this is asking the impossible. I personally have no issues with waiting the flag, because watching other players fighting to death is not boring to me. It is like watching a scene from a movie most of the time while enjoying my tea/drink/beverage in the meantime. But yeah, that is only me. We can't expect everyone to wait for that long to be able to play. Especially considering there are lots of childish, impatient and raging players who play this game; it would be unwise to put such a rule to use. I see now and admit that part is very flawed.
Thereby I change it to a much more simple:
Horse Archer -not any other cav- has to use a melee weapon; from horseback (or dismounted if he/she wants). While the melee guy, should not be hiding anymore to make it possible the Horse Archer to use it's horse.
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@ Ronin
Do u actually think that people come to play this game to watch you prance around for 2 minures at the end of each round while a tincan stands behind the wall? And what when flags come you cant cap it on horse back you have to dismount and when a guy with huge ass sword as u stated comes allong since you are so crippled in melee youll just.mount and kite him how fun for.the rest 100 people that are spectating.
And yes since a HA has little to no chance of actually winning this sort of situation prolonging the inevitable and busting other peoples repair chances is not only delying its jus egocentric and gay.
Dismount, die, lets move on yoh aint doing anything except pissing ppl off, dont be a duche.
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@ Ronin
Do u actually think that people come to play this game to watch you prance around for 2 minures at the end of each round while a tincan stands behind the wall? And what when flags come you cant cap it on horse back you have to dismount and when a guy with huge ass sword as u stated comes allong since you are so crippled in melee youll just.mount and kite him how fun for.the rest 100 people that are spectating.
And yes since a HA has little to no chance of actually winning this sort of situation prolonging the inevitable and busting other peoples repair chances is not only delying its jus egocentric and gay.
Dismount, die, lets move on yoh aint doing anything except pissing ppl off, dont be a duche.
Maybe it should be made clear to all new players that they can't be any class they want because they might piss off the others with their build.