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Title: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Qaki on March 15, 2011, 05:34:30 am
Ive heard alot of answers.. soo does anyone know for sure?  :|
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Patricia on March 15, 2011, 05:41:46 am
Damage up to PD req of bow + 4.

Accuracy has no PD limit, so yes.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: N4B_Jack_Sparrow on March 15, 2011, 07:04:46 am
So if I am going to increase my power draw I am going to shoot easier or what??

What about my agility? What if I'm going to increase my agility am I going to shoot faster? I think yes but I'm not sure.

But the moast I want to be a good shoter! So I have to  "point" well.  (I want to "meriti" well in Slovenian).

I'm from Slovenia so please understand my mistakes.

Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Barracuda on March 15, 2011, 03:19:23 pm
Quote from: Qaki on March 15, 2011, 05:34:30 am
Ive heard alot of answers.. soo does anyone know for sure?  :|

No. I've tested this and I had no accuracy increase with higher PD. Other archers have also verified this in their posts.

Edit: It does however increase the time that your reticule stays small.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Patricia on March 15, 2011, 06:48:37 pm
Quote from: Barracuda on March 15, 2011, 03:19:23 pm
No. I've tested this and I had no accuracy increase with higher PD. Other archers have also verified this in their posts.

Edit: It does however increase the time that your reticule stays small.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,876.msg11499.html#msg11499

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Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Barracuda on March 15, 2011, 09:48:21 pm
Quote from: Patricia on March 15, 2011, 06:48:37 pm
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,876.msg11499.html#msg11499

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I stand corrected. I've tested this with nomad bow 3-7 PD (or khergit 4-7 PD, I can't remember) and it didn't have any notable effect.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Polobow on March 16, 2011, 05:10:41 pm
Quote from: Patricia on March 15, 2011, 06:48:37 pm
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,876.msg11499.html#msg11499

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That left picture looks like it is zoomed in.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Elmetiacos on March 16, 2011, 08:30:58 pm
It definitely does not. It used to in earlier versions of the mod, but that has now changed. We tested it on an archery thread on the TaleWorlds forum with screenshots and everything.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Miley on March 16, 2011, 10:55:48 pm
I was about to ask this same question, but then I found this. :3

Does anyone know, for sure?
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: cmp on March 16, 2011, 11:07:26 pm
It does, but cRPG reduces it by lowering your WPF.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: jspook on March 16, 2011, 11:11:13 pm
Ahhh, so at 1 wpf, as indicated in the above tests it would definately improve.  But with any amout of wpf, it would negate the gain by lowering it so it stays the same.... right??
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Grey on March 16, 2011, 11:17:51 pm
So Ive always been right in stating that a true dedicated archer has PD 6.  After that, every little bit of WPF u can grab with WM is agood thing.

I build archers to 18 Str 3 Agi, then stack everything in agility from then on, WM and Athle, who cares if your shots do a little bit more dmg, if you cant hit what you aim at.

But then, for me personally, there are only 2 bows, War and Strong, all the others are not viable realistically, much as I loved my 3 STR shortbow arrowMG42, this patch leads to sensible, hidden, unarmoured archers doing the real ranged dmg, with war bows, from far away, and High PD will NOT help you enough to be worth it. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increase accuracy in bows?
Post by: Keshian on March 17, 2011, 01:17:03 am
Quote from: jspook on March 16, 2011, 11:11:13 pm
Ahhh, so at 1 wpf, as indicated in the above tests it would definately improve.  But with any amout of wpf, it would negate the gain by lowering it so it stays the same.... right??

What Cmpx said, at least it sounds to me, is that there is a benefit but just a lesser benefit because it also reduces wpf which affects accuracy.  So it would seem that pd 6 with 150 wpf is slightly less accurate than pd 7, which also does a little bit more damage.  But since the tradeoff is usually +1 powerdraw means -1 weaponmaster going into archery (8-9 wpf at higher levels) its a balancing act and putting 1 more into weaponmaster instead of powerdraw increases your accuracy but not as much as would be expected relatively and you dont get the damage bonus (though there is the roughly 1.5% wpf damage bonus from +9 wpf).  So play around with your builds and see what works for you.

I also noticed recently just how much helmets still affect wpf and even my 9.5 weight body armor compared to 4.5 or 2.5 weight armor.  The reticules are significantly tighter and a faster draw.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Patricia on March 17, 2011, 01:26:35 am
Ah! Take that people saying I was wrong.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Grey on March 17, 2011, 01:29:17 am
People jacking my style now all over the place:

(click to show/hide)

Stylish, and doesn't sap your accuracy. Armour is for the weak...in mind and spirit...
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: RagnarLodbroke on March 18, 2011, 02:28:41 am
Quote from: cmpxchg8b on March 16, 2011, 11:07:26 pm
It does, but cRPG reduces it by lowering your WPF.

finally, Where is the damn guy who said i was wrong?

WHERE?

EDIT: Patricia, happy now? u finally got ur answer, if u stack more PD u get inaccurate...Seems like im not so stupid after all....
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Bothersome_Aldryk on March 18, 2011, 04:30:31 am
Ragnar, as far as I can tell, he just said that cRPG has it reduce WPF to counter the fact that it would normally grant wpf. At no point did he state that PD lowers WPF.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: RagnarLodbroke on March 18, 2011, 12:06:54 pm
Well what i was trying to explain on the last thread i met u was : If u stack PD and forget about WPF in archery u get inaccurate.

 U need alot Wpf in archery to not lose any Wpf if ur PD is 6.
If i remember correctly u needed 220 wpf in archery with 6 PD prepatch to have the same amount Wpf. depends on ur armor tho.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Bothersome_Aldryk on March 18, 2011, 03:49:37 pm
That rumor appears to be an antiquated relic of the old patch. I have played on my friend's PD 10 archer, and it was not noticeably less accurate than my archer with 6 with similar WPF. I shall have to continue testing to be sure of course.
Title: Re: Does PowerDraw increas accuracy in bows?
Post by: Murchad on March 18, 2011, 08:02:16 pm
My archer this gen was 8pd, 6wm with maskerworked khergit.
it was very accurate and fast and i'm told it was very painful.
i only had 3ath which i really noticed so if i do another foot archer i would do 7pd 6wm and put extra skills in ath

i picked masterwork strongbows and warbows off the ground and the accuracy was still good on strong but widened up noticeably on the warbow. this was with 154wpf