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Title: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Zaren on March 26, 2012, 03:37:31 am
The battle for fisdnar was finishing and the enemy team started spamming GG(as they were winning)
Allers continued to spam after being told to stop and as a result of crashing my chat(or lagging it) 3 times I put a poll to ban him. After the poll went through, Smoothrich decided to ban me. I feel that is complete BS as it was a BAN POLL and 59% of the server said yes to it meaning some people on ALLERS team said yes to it. I would also like smoothrich's adminship to be watched(not removed but watched).
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: LastKaze on March 26, 2012, 03:39:52 am
All i can say is admin abuse.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 03:40:08 am
I'll unban you in an hour just like Allers was banned for and call it even:  no need for ban polls, it was poll abuse, he was muted once the complaints started
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Spartacus on March 26, 2012, 03:40:43 am
All i can say is admin abuse.
+1
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: ArysOakheart on March 26, 2012, 03:41:10 am
Hard to retreat when everyone is spamming like that, and i'm sure you are aware of this.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 26, 2012, 03:41:21 am
I'll unban you in an hour just like Allers was banned for and call it even:  no need for ban polls, it was poll abuse, he was muted once the complaints started

The poll was up BEFORE the mute. Just ask ANYONE.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Aderyn on March 26, 2012, 03:41:53 am
he was not muted when the poll was put there and he was told in adminchat to stop even kept going anyways. Also i call for smoothrich to loose ALL his admin powers instead of just watched. He's always leeching in the EU battles for xp :( bad example!
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Sarpton on March 26, 2012, 03:42:16 am
How was is poll abuse?  He put up a poll before he got muted?  What I saw was smooth acting like a child.  And Allers was spamming the chat, so I don't see what the issue is.


:haw haw speeling guud
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Allers on March 26, 2012, 03:43:25 am
Ban deservedz0rz
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: marcus on March 26, 2012, 03:43:53 am
was poll abuse smoothrich is in the right
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 26, 2012, 03:44:52 am
I'll unban you in an hour just like Allers was banned for and call it even:  no need for ban polls, it was poll abuse, he was muted once the complaints started
I find it funny that originally Smoothrich goes on with "Make a ban appeal on the forums" blah blah blah etc, then as soon as it's mentioned that it was abuse and he realizes that they are right he tries to cover his own ass with the "I'll unban you in an hour".

Also this post makes it seem as the Smoothrich muted Allers, when in reality he had nothing to do with that and probably would have let it go on indefinitely.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 03:47:12 am
I told him to post about it and I'd handle it, its basically a troll thread but I decided to stay with my decision to unban after an hour once a thread was made, I am not abusing or griefing or trying to start drama like half the posts in this thread, just what I witnessed (ban polling top players during strat battles) is pretty typical of poll abuse
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 26, 2012, 03:49:01 am
(ban polling top players during strat battles)
It appears to me that you are implying that due to the fact that Allers was top of his team he is immune to punishment. He was doing something wrong, regardless of how well he was doing. His score has nothing to do with it, and I think if anything, Allers' reputation as a huge fucking troll has more to do with it than his score.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Kreczor on March 26, 2012, 03:50:52 am
he was not muted when the poll was put there and he was told in adminchat to stop even kept going anyways. Also i call for smoothrich to loose ALL his admin powers instead of just watched. He's always leeching in the EU battles for xp :( bad example!
Proof or stfu

How was is poll abuse?  He put up a poll before he got muted?  What I saw was smooth acting like a child.  And Allers was spamming the chat, so I don't see what the issue is.


:haw haw speeling guud

Poll Abuse is defined as putting up consequent polls within a short amount of time between each poll.

I wasn't at the battle, but from what I understand Allers was being an asshole like always (<3) so someone decided to ban poll him instead of a kick poll (which would be much more reasonable given the circumstances). Consequently after smoothrich realized that the majority of the players we're not enjoying what Allers was saying, he decided to mute him. For some reason, the enemy team continued to ban poll him. That is from my understanding why blacktiger seems to think there is admin abuse.
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Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Sarpton on March 26, 2012, 03:52:25 am
 
The battle for fisdnar was finishing and the enemy team started spamming GG(as they were winning)
Allers continued to spam after being told to stop and as a result of crashing my chat(or lagging it) 3 times I put a poll to ban him. After the poll went through, Smoothrich decided to ban me. I feel that is complete BS as it was a BAN POLL and 59% of the server said yes to it meaning some people on ALLERS team said yes to it. I would also like smoothrich's adminship to be watched(not removed but watched).


^this
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: LastKaze on March 26, 2012, 03:52:46 am
Proof or stfu
Stop acting like a bitch "proof or stfu" only people who are actually guilty say this kind of shit.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Devestater on March 26, 2012, 03:53:47 am
I believe that smoothrich needs his power revoked. He has been nothing but a troll and is not a balanced fair admin. I support removing smoothrich from NA admins.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Kreczor on March 26, 2012, 03:57:08 am
Stop acting like a bitch "proof or stfu" only people who are actually guilty say this kind of shit.
I'm sorry? Kaze I'm not trying to insult you guys, but empty threats are just that. My lowly opinion requires proof to be shown before any judgement be passed.


e: I also like how everyone trying to get his admin removed is a hospitaller just fyi
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Allers on March 26, 2012, 03:58:02 am
so why dont we ban all the other people who spammed also?

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Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Freakshow on March 26, 2012, 03:58:16 am
I also support the removal of Smoothrich's admin powers.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Blackzilla on March 26, 2012, 03:59:13 am
@ bacon i kept typing gg
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 26, 2012, 03:59:25 am
so why dont we ban all the other people who spammed also?
Because everybody else stopped, I do believe.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Allers on March 26, 2012, 03:59:37 am
hospitallar
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Malaclypse on March 26, 2012, 04:02:26 am
AFAIK the crash bug affiliated with chat messages was fixed.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 26, 2012, 04:03:25 am
AFAIK the crash bug affiliated with chat messages was fixed.

It was, or so. But You guys broke my chat. And then allers goes and starts spamming again.

.....
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 04:03:54 am
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


I take the hate because other's can't, I take the trolls because other's won't, I am a martyr for the cRPG community, get on your knees and pray 2 me
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Sergee on March 26, 2012, 04:04:14 am
GG
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: BADPLAYERold on March 26, 2012, 04:04:22 am
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Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Xol! on March 26, 2012, 04:04:35 am
gg
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Zaren on March 26, 2012, 04:04:45 am
I'll unban you in an hour just like Allers was banned for and call it even:  no need for ban polls, it was poll abuse, he was muted once the complaints started
I put the poll in before the mute so no it was not
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Sir_Rodrick on March 26, 2012, 04:04:50 am
it's really cute that hospitaller is this mad to try and ban smoothrich, a great admin. GG on the recent fight btw.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Huey Newton on March 26, 2012, 04:05:03 am
gee gee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ)
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: marcus on March 26, 2012, 04:05:44 am
gg
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 26, 2012, 04:05:52 am
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


I take the hate because other's can't, I take the trolls because other's won't, I am a martyr for the cRPG community, get on your knees and pray 2 me
And now he thinks he's Jesus. Serious god-complex going on here.
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Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Zaren on March 26, 2012, 04:06:41 am
oh btw you never told me to post about it on the forums. i just did because i feel its an unfair ban
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Devestater on March 26, 2012, 04:08:21 am
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I take the hate because other's can't, I take the trolls because other's won't, I am a martyr for the cRPG community, get on your knees and pray 2 me

There you go! Here is proof of the kind of person that is in power.

P.S. I hope god strikes you with a lightening bolt.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Kreczor on March 26, 2012, 04:10:07 am
There you go! Here is proof of the kind of person that is in power.

P.S. I hope god strikes you with a lightening bolt.
You never answered me on the context of my signature. I thought we could laugh about it and have good times together...
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 04:12:32 am
Real talk:  emotions were high, it was end of a strat battle, Allers was being handled by the admins, but I think ban polls under most circumstances are griefing.. Allers was spamming chat after we stopped I guess but I honestly did not realize at the time he was doing it more then anyone else, as it mostly died down after the complaints started..

Regardless, I suggest you refrain from BAN polling people during strat battles, as under most circumstances its an unacceptable use of the poll features, report problems to I chat and admins have the power to warn, mute, kick, or ban as necessary.  I'm not exactly sure why ban polls are enabled in the first place, I have been turning them off NA_3 because they always get abused..

The ban has been lifted, my impartial sense of adminship felt that a quid pro quo ban for ban was fair as putting up ban polls when half the server is guaranteed to hit 1 out of competitive bias/rage is the wrong way to handle things.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Blackzilla on March 26, 2012, 04:12:43 am
You never answered me on the context of my signature. I thought we could laugh about it and have good times together...
He is still Devastated by the loss.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Bigadaboosh on March 26, 2012, 04:13:32 am
He is still Devastated by the loss.

+1
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: POOPHAMMER on March 26, 2012, 04:13:50 am
im gay
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Aderyn on March 26, 2012, 04:14:53 am
kreczor: proof? just check his scores from his last EU sieges and compare to those who actually fought :P

also

never seen smooth do any actual admining (enforcing the rules) apart from shit like this - maybe i'm just on at the wrong times?

oh well, just my observations. Maybe it differs from everyone elses but it sure might need some looking into.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: ammeron on March 26, 2012, 04:15:56 am
gg
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Kreczor on March 26, 2012, 04:17:07 am
kreczor: proof? just check his scores from his last EU sieges and compare to those who actually fought :P

also

never seen smooth do any actual admining (enforcing the rules) apart from shit like this - maybe i'm just on at the wrong times?

oh well, just my observations. Maybe it differs from everyone elses but it sure might need some looking into.

I actually don't have access to those battles due to being at work during the battles I couldn't participate.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Blackzilla on March 26, 2012, 04:20:17 am
kreczor: proof? just check his scores from his last EU sieges and compare to those who actually fought :P

also

never seen smooth do any actual admining (enforcing the rules) apart from shit like this - maybe i'm just on at the wrong times?

oh well, just my observations. Maybe it differs from everyone elses but it sure might need some looking into.
Havent seen smooth leech. But have you witnessed this guy leeching? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOIpKTI31HA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: larlek on March 26, 2012, 04:25:50 am
Smoothrich should give himself a 24 hour ban and think about what he did and why others might have thought it was wrong to do what he did. Once his ban is over he can make a thread explaining himself in detail and apologising if he wants too.

Larlik has spoken.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Slamz on March 26, 2012, 04:38:31 am
Define "poll abuse".

I thought it was multiple polls when people already voted no.

1 poll where 51% vote yes would not really be poll abuse.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 04:40:17 am
ban polling top players of an opposing strat team when you will have almost an ensured majority due to the other team all voting 1.. ban polls shouldn't be used when admins are present of which there were like 6 total on both sides who can and would handle complaints by following proper protocol
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Zaren on March 26, 2012, 04:41:23 am
Define "poll abuse".

I thought it was multiple polls when people already voted no.

1 poll where 51% vote yes would not really be poll abuse.
1 poll 59% yes

Edit:smooth the battle was over so it wasnt like i was affecting the outcome
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Miley on March 26, 2012, 04:42:38 am
Isn't the rule, "Don't poll if admin is there?"
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Rikthor on March 26, 2012, 04:43:45 am
Please ban yourself Smoothrich, for being a sperg and causing not angry nerds in Hospitallers and DL to rage like 10 year old children. Ban yourself now.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Devestater on March 26, 2012, 04:43:59 am
ban polling top players of an opposing strat team when you will have almost an ensured majority due to the other team all voting 1.. ban polls shouldn't be used when admins are present of which there were like 6 total on both sides who can and would handle complaints by following proper protocol
This theory would work if the admins would actually do their jobs instead of being biased; however, we apparently need a neutral party to review Smoothrich's admin activities in the NA servers. 
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 26, 2012, 04:44:30 am
Isn't the rule, "Don't poll if admin is there?"
I believe the rule is that if the admins disable polls, then you shouldn't poll.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: BADPLAYERold on March 26, 2012, 04:48:09 am
This theory would work if the admins would actually do their jobs instead of being biased; however, we apparently need a neutral party to review Smoothrich's admin activities in the NA servers.

Shadowren was online and muted Allers himself, a ban poll was not needed.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 04:48:16 am
1 poll 59% yes

Edit:smooth the battle was over so it wasnt like i was affecting the outcome

You elected to go with a ban poll in a situation that could've been, and was being, handled by admins:  its overstepping the purpose of the poll system and I told the admins present/your team to direct you to post an unban appeal and I would handle it.  I'm not surprised this thread devolved into shit posting and trolling, but I made my decision and I wasn't set out to abuse admin powers or grief another team or anything.  Like I said I would, I unbanned you after you made the thread.. though its too bad this is a SMOOTHRICH IS TYRANT thread and not an apology for submitting a ban poll when you shouldn't of!  No worries though, I won't hold a grudge towards anyone posting here, even if others do so against me.  I will chalk it up to post-strat battle hysteria from all parties

Also, I am pretty sure I am under the closest scrutiny of any NA admins already due to my propensity to troll and be a boisterous shit talker, but any actual decisions or bans I make are founded purely on fairness, reason, and keeping the servers griefer free.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Zaren on March 26, 2012, 04:49:59 am
You elected to go with a ban poll in a situation that could've been, and was being, handled by admins:  its overstepping the purpose of the poll system and I told the admins present/your team to direct you to post an unban appeal and I would handle it.  I'm not surprised this thread devolved into shit posting and trolling, but I made my decision and I wasn't set out to abuse admin powers or grief another team or anything.  Like I said I would, I unbanned you after you made the thread.. though its too bad this is a SMOOTHRICH IS TYRANT thread and not an apology for submitting a ban poll when you shouldn't of!  No worries though, I won't hold a grudge towards anyone posting here, even if others do so against me.  I will chalk it up to post-strat battle hysteria from all parties
you should probably know i heard nothing of being told to do anything. thats not your fault or anyones fault though. I just made a ban appeal because i dont think a ban for posting a ban poll is necessary. Second it passed with 59% meaning people on his team agreed with it. 3rd, he was muted AFTER the poll. And not only that, Shik who was there didn't do anything either.Saying something along the lines of "I think it might be poll abuse BUT IM BIASED" I am saying you made a biased decision.
One that doesnt matter now but one that was biased.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Devestater on March 26, 2012, 04:50:22 am
Shadowren was online and muted Allers himself, a ban poll was not needed.

As previously stated, the ban poll was submitted before he was muted.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: BADPLAYERold on March 26, 2012, 04:51:50 am
As previously stated, the ban poll was submitted before he was muted.

And that is why you wait for the admins to do their job instead of being a cRPG vigilante and taking things into your own hands.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Shadowren on March 26, 2012, 04:52:36 am
Smoothrich handled the situation just fine. I would of done the same if i was in his shoes.

Shadowren was online and muted Allers himself, a ban poll was not needed.

I muted him after the poll when i started to see complaints.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 04:53:13 am
you should probably know i heard nothing of being told to do anything. thats not your fault or anyones fault though. I just made a ban appeal because i dont think a ban for posting a ban poll is necessary. Second it passed with 59% meaning people on his team agreed with it. 3rd, he was muted AFTER the poll.

Allers was misbehaving, and I honestly did not catch him continuously spamming chat:  I would've unbanned you in an hour anyways, I think the length of the ban I set in game made people rage more then anything, but I do believe ban polls aren't necessary in strat battles when admins are present, I should make sure they are disabled for when I am actually in them so incidents like this don't happen again.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 26, 2012, 04:53:54 am
In an effort to disperse some tension, I wrote a chorale dedicated to this incident.
http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/30a862f941d2c621a9f5bfec8a15d3b9f2b81fb1 (http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/30a862f941d2c621a9f5bfec8a15d3b9f2b81fb1)
It is titled "Jemand Gestohlen Meine Ziege" also known as Google Translate's interpretation of "Somebody stole my goat".
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: LastKaze on March 26, 2012, 04:54:32 am
The poll was before the admin said anything,  why would he deserve a 1 day ban, if people on the other team agreed to ban him...
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 04:57:11 am
I just threw 24 hours as a default time, with the intention to unban him as soon as he came to the forums, to show that ban polling people you dislike/are causing some trouble isn't the way to handle problems in strategus battles when admins are present.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Zaren on March 26, 2012, 05:00:34 am
Ok guys a few things before im going to get off this post(hopefully).
1.I did/still do disagree with smoothrich's decision
2.I DO respect his administrative choice although I may not agree with it
3.I do not wish there to be continued bad feelings between anyone from this
4.(and most important) I am convinced that Chris P Bacon will be the next Mozart
Edit: WHAT HE DIDNT WRITE IT!!! BLASPHEMY
http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/30a862f941d2c621a9f5bfec8a15d3b9f2b81fb1
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Aderyn on March 26, 2012, 05:01:27 am
so what punishment did you have in mind for allers and the rest of the spammers smoothrich? just wait for another admin to mute them or what?
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Smoothrich on March 26, 2012, 05:03:09 am
Allers spammed chat, so he was muted.  That's all.  If anyone else continued to spam chat after warnings, they'd be muted.  If people left the server to rejoin to continue spamming and evade the mute, they'd be banned.  This is the standard policy for "chat spamming" or "chat abuse" without it being racism or harassment.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 26, 2012, 05:16:48 am
Edit: WHAT HE DIDNT WRITE IT!!! BLASPHEMY
Where do you think the "Jay" and "Pet" come from in my username? Silly goose.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on March 26, 2012, 07:50:24 am
Accidental post why cant i delete
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Ganner on March 26, 2012, 08:16:02 am
1.) Ban polling in a strat battle is nothing more than greifing and or nerdraging.  If you have an issue with someone take it up with an admin.  If said admin does not action the person the appropriate reaction is to document the event (TAKE SCREENSHOTS AND/OR FRAPS) and post in the admin feedback forum.

2.) This section is for ban/unban requests, everything else will be considered spam and sanctioned accordingly.
Only posts allowed are on-topic posts by the people asking for a ban/unban, admins and witnesses that can provide relevant information regarding the individual case.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Porkthegreat on March 26, 2012, 12:25:42 pm
Smooth needs his admin revoked and to be banned, he constantly lets allers horsebump and tk friendly.  If you speak in 'I' chat or mention it nothing gets done.  I guess ill just have to start spamming print screen button and be an annoying prick like the majority of the community.  Team bumping me 5 times in a row until I die isnt right, 5 tk reports in a row should be proof enough, especialy when there is only 1 enemy left and allers is going out of his way to run me over and then says "owned".  Stop being biased and do your job as an admin.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Blackzilla on March 26, 2012, 02:17:12 pm
Smooth needs his admin revoked and to be banned, he constantly lets allers horsebump and tk friendly.  If you speak in 'I' chat or mention it nothing gets done.  I guess ill just have to start spamming print screen button and be an annoying prick like the majority of the community.  Team bumping me 5 times in a row until I die isnt right, 5 tk reports in a row should be proof enough, especialy when there is only 1 enemy left and allers is going out of his way to run me over and then says "owned".  Stop being biased and do your job as an admin.
Screen shots or it didnt happen.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Kreczor on March 26, 2012, 02:37:25 pm
Screen shots or it didnt happen.
Making fun of Aderyn is one thing. But God help me if you're going to insult porky like that. I say we all just take a break and chill out.
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Blackzilla on March 26, 2012, 02:45:20 pm
Making fun of Aderyn is one thing. But God help me if you're going to insult porky like that. I say we all just take a break and chill out.
If you say so.  :(
Title: Re: Smoothrich admin abuse
Post by: Ganner on March 26, 2012, 02:58:20 pm
Locking this thread.   It has devolved to nothing but spamming and pile on OH YEA I DONT LIKE HIM EITHER!

If you have genuine concerns take it to the feedback forum.