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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: FF_GeorgeWashington on March 18, 2012, 12:35:10 am
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Name: FF_GeorgeWashington
Date of ban: 3/17/2012
Admin who banned: Granpappy
Reason for ban: You may read my response on granpappy's admin feedback thread http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,20918.new.html#new
It help shows what kind of admin he really is.
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free george washington
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You're a pretty big troll going by what i've seen in game and the logs. Even if other admins could override the bans issued by others, i'm pretty sure no one would bother with you. See you in a week.
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Just because someone is a troll valid complaints by them should not be ignored.
I don't think someone should be an admin if they can't take being trolled.. a 1 week ban for trolling someone, seriously? why not just mute him and then if he continues to spam admin chat warn him not to do so and if he still continues then ban him for "chat abuse" or whatever the category that falls under. If you get mad over being trolled over stuff that isn't RL then you are a huge babby who should just uninstall cRPG and never come back.
My apologies if he was muted first and continued to say things in admin chat after being warned not to (but it doesn't seem that way)
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Badplayer, I get trolled all the time. FF_George_Washington was banned for his entire track record. He would really really like you to think it is about a single incident, but unfortunately for him, his antics are very well documented. I know that I have been questioned as to why he hasn't been perma-banned.
Request denied.
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That's pretty much exactly what happened, Badplayer. It's why the ban was extended, but not the main reason for him being banned. His shitty, childish behavior in I chat pretty much goes in tandum with all of the other various complaints we've seen from him.
For example..
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,27845.0.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,27845.0.html)
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You're a pretty big troll going by what i've seen in game and the logs. Even if other admins could override the bans issued by others, i'm pretty sure no one would bother with you. See you in a week.
If you are calling me a troll based how I play, that is an asinine statement to make let alone being able to accuse me of trolling because I'm calling an admin immature and biased for so far only being able to see me TK but no one else. This whole issue wouldn't have happened if he didn't act like an ass and responded professionally. I used to occasionly call people nerds but what ever comment I make in admin chat is sincere and truthful. When you have admins like Dexxtaa making admin chat messages such as "Whoever gets the last kill gets a free blojob" I feel the need to step in and tell them to act more professionally if they are supposed to be here enforcing rules. If they don't to act mature and enforce rules, they have no business being an admin. Reading the official rules I have broke none. You can try and pin the "No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing...)" but I did no such thing and use no vulgar language while attempting to reason with Granpappy.
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17:44:25 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] terrordeldeierto delibertally tk'd me
17:45:10 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I dont tolerate intentional tk's or team wounds, last fair warning. If I catch you, it will be a ban
17:45:26 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] So are you going to ban him?
17:47:00 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] It's simple, I'll explain it so someone of you're "ability" can understand. I accidently wound him, he tk's me and you warn me. You will not be biased or I will take it to the forums and ruin your credibility.
17:47:38 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] if you have screenshots George, go post them.
17:48:34 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] Ok well I will be taking note of your response. See you on the froums, your unprofessionalism and immaturity will be the downfall of yourself sir.
17:49:16 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I really dont care about your threats George. You claimed someone intentionally TK'd you. I didnt see it, I issued a warning. See you on the forums
17:49:24 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] post what you have
17:50:19 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] We will see, your lack of character and judgement clearly shows in your writing, what a shame.
18:06:32 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I appreciate you sticking around George. For you constant trolling and griefing in chat you are hereby banned for 1 week. Take that time to think about you behavior. You may screencap this and post in your unban request
Feel free to point out the "truth and sincerity" in the provided log excerpts.
Truth be told, I probably would have made the same suggestion before brushing off and ignoring you when presented with such silly threats. That said, each admin reacts differently to essentially being harassed in I chat. Also, were it not for the multiple complaints of delaying and teamwounding provided on multiple occasions, this alone probably would not have warranted a 7-day ban. Also, ban severity/length is up to each admin's own discretion (assuming no one is acting tyranical or crazy with their admin powers) and each admin's decision must be left alone and cannot be interfered with. Still, as I said, most admins were more than ok with this ban. I personally think it's a very apt punishment going from what i've seen and read.
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He wasn't muted or warned to stop saying shit in admin chat and he wasn't breaking any rules by giving his opinions about an admin in I chat unless you count however many few sentences he gave as "chat abuse". What he said is not banworthy at all, it's barely trolling and Grannpappy is being a huge babby about it. Say what you want about this being because of his "track record" but thats just a good excuse to abuse your powers on someone who didn't break any rules at this point but has done before.
The irony in George Washington getting banned for speaking his mind against a tyrant is not lost to me, history is repeating itself and soon a revolution will form, a republic with elected admins liberty and free speech, a constitution preventing admin abuse and transparency of bans, a flag of red, white and blue, a land where every man can make a living on the multiplier. And this land will be called.. America.
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He wasn't muted or warned to stop saying shit in admin chat and he wasn't breaking any rules by giving his opinions about an admin in I chat unless you count however many few sentences he gave as "chat abuse". What he said is not banworthy at all, it's barely trolling and Grannpappy is being a huge babby about it. Say what you want about this being because of his "track record" but thats just a good excuse to abuse your powers on someone who didn't break any rules at this point but has done before.
The irony in George Washington getting banned for speaking his mind against a tyrant is not lost to me, history is repeating itself and soon a revolution will form, a republic with elected admins liberty and free speech, a constitution preventing admin abuse and transparency of bans, a flag of red, white and blue, a land where every man can make a living on the multiplier. And this land will be called.. America.
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Proud American Stuff
To reiterate, the chat itself is not what got him banned. It was weighed in and affected the severity of the punishment, but it alone is not why he's sitting on the sidelines for a week. Multiple reports of teamwounding, griefing and delaying are why he was being banned in the first place. Think of it as adding icing to a shit cake made entirely from batter consisting a variety of examples of poor in game behavior.
I can't speak for granpappy or how he personally feels about the issue obviously. I'm just giving you the perspective of myself and a few other admins when it comes to why we aren't taking offense to it.
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To reiterate, the chat itself is not what got him banned. It affected the severity of the punishment, but it alone is not why he's sitting on the sidelines for a week. Multiple reports of teamwounding, griefing and delaying are why he was being banned in the first place. Think of it as adding icing to a shit cake made entirely from batter consisting a variety of examples of poor in game behavior.
Banning someone for things they have previously done is stupid, I intentionally teamkill people all the time and have been banned for it before, if I started arguing with/criticizing an admin could he then just ban me for the TKing I have done but am not doing currently?
The worst I see George do is revenge teamwounding and a little shittalking people (and I mean very little compared to people like myself) I deserve a ban more than he does if you are talking about poor in game behaviour. This is just about 1 admin(or admins) who can't take being insulted and his petty grudge with someone he doesn't like.
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17:44:25 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] terrordeldeierto delibertally tk'd me
17:45:10 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I dont tolerate intentional tk's or team wounds, last fair warning. If I catch you, it will be a ban
17:45:26 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] So are you going to ban him?
17:47:00 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] It's simple, I'll explain it so someone of you're "ability" can understand. I accidently wound him, he tk's me and you warn me. You will not be biased or I will take it to the forums and ruin your credibility.
17:47:38 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] if you have screenshots George, go post them.
17:48:34 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] Ok well I will be taking note of your response. See you on the froums, your unprofessionalism and immaturity will be the downfall of yourself sir.
17:49:16 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I really dont care about your threats George. You claimed someone intentionally TK'd you. I didnt see it, I issued a warning. See you on the forums
17:49:24 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] post what you have
17:50:19 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] We will see, your lack of character and judgement clearly shows in your writing, what a shame.
18:06:32 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I appreciate you sticking around George. For you constant trolling and griefing in chat you are hereby banned for 1 week. Take that time to think about you behavior. You may screencap this and post in your unban request
Feel free to point out the "truth and sincerity" in the provided log excerpts.
Truth be told, I probably would have made the same suggestion before brushing off and ignoring you when presented with such silly threats. That said, each admin reacts differently to essentially being harassed in I chat. Also, were it not for the multiple complaints of delaying and teamwounding provided on multiple occasions, this alone probably would not have warranted a 7-day ban. Also, ban severity/length is up to each admin's own discretion (assuming no one is acting tyranical or crazy with their admin powers) and each admin's decision must be left alone and cannot be interfered with. Still, as I said, most admins were more than ok with this ban. I personally think it's a very apt punishment going from what i've seen and read.
So because you think it's trolling, it has to be? I'm not sure I hold your word that highly especially since I don't know you at all. In all honestly, you are tossing the term troll around too much and you seem to not understand it. You are either oblivious or very prejudice based off your statements. You assume I'm trolling because I said I was going to ruin his credibility but how does your thought process determine what is trolling or not? I would personally like to know. He banned me for three days for revenge tking someone who tkd me and another incident happens where instead of killing, I report and he still threatens me is a little idiotic and shows perfectly well the frustration I have with Granpapy. You also make the comment every admin has agreed on the ban given, is there an admin committee that determines what is ban able or not? I'm going to assume no so throwing a comment out there like that is a little far fetched. Sure I haven't had the best track wreck but that doesn't mean each situation isn't unique on it's own and deserves more investigating then "hey he's been banned before, fuck him." The only admin I have ever known to do something right is Ecko when he was around and Man of war chaos. When something is reported, instead of threats he answered and says it will be handled. It seems that it's a rarity to get decent help.
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@ Badplayer, Technically speaking, someone is banned from the website 9/10 times for something that they previously did. Whenever someone makes a ban request on this forum they are reporting someone for something they had done in the past.Still, I think I get what you're saying and i'll just say that the events that were taken into consideration aren't from like half a year ago. They are all very recent (within the past couple of weeks or so) This guy has maybe been back for a few weeks and he's already got multiple, (some on-going) ban requests going for him. Most admins didn't even know who george washington was before they saw the multiple, very recent ban posts going for him. THAT is the track record we are referring to.
@ George,you are not obligated to agree with or respect anything I say, especially considering that I was not the one who banned you. What's more, you can argue about the semantics of being a troll is, but by this community's standards, when a guy is reported for delaying rounds,team kills and in general makes the kind of posts you make on the forums, he's going to be labeled a troll more often than not. (having multiple people with no relation to one another complaining about your in game behavior is an added bonus) Also, as a matter of fact, admins do come together on a private section of the forums and discuss certain players and their conduct. Yours has been a subject of discussion for a few days now. We don't need to do it with most rule violators, but you seem to be one of those special few. I guarantee you that this group of admins takes stuff like this(tossing out lengthy bans) very seriously and we don't just ban guys on a whim. Furthermore, our actions are moderated by shik and other devs(one also weighed in on this issue and agreed with the suggested ban by granpappy). They regularly give us input when it comes to ban discussions and have even had to remove admins in the past for the actions they took. This isn't some super secret close knit society that likes to kick people while they are down.
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Banning someone for things they have previously done is stupid, I intentionally teamkill people all the time and have been banned for it before, if I started arguing with/criticizing an admin could he then just ban me for the TKing I have done but am not doing currently?
The worst I see George do is revenge teamwounding and a little shittalking people (and I mean very little compared to people like myself) I deserve a ban more than he does if you are talking about poor in game behaviour. This is just about 1 admin(or admins) who can't take being insulted and his petty grudge with someone he doesn't like.
No, you may not see it, but george teamwounds constantly and tries his hardest to piss everyone around him off. He is a repeat offender. He needed a time-out, hopefully when he comes back he will stop purposely disobeying rules at all chances.
This is really cut and dried. ANyways, this is grannpapy's ban.
I miss the old george form long ago.
Technically speaking, someone is banned from the website 9/10 times for something that they previously did. Whenever someone makes a ban request on this forum they are reporting someone for something they had done in the past.Still, I think I get what you're saying and i'll just say that the events that were taken into consideration aren't from like half a year ago. They are all very recent (within the past week or so) This guy has maybe been back for a few weeks and he's already got multiple, on-going ban requests going for him. Most admins don't even know who george washington was before they saw the multiple, very recent ban posts going for him. THAT is the track record we are referring to.
Pretty much this.
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To reiterate, the chat itself is not what got him banned. It was weighed in and affected the severity of the punishment, but it alone is not why he's sitting on the sidelines for a week. Multiple reports of teamwounding, griefing and delaying are why he was being banned in the first place. Think of it as adding icing to a shit cake made entirely from batter consisting a variety of examples of poor in game behavior.
I can't speak for granpappy or how he personally feels about the issue obviously. I'm just giving you the perspective of myself and a few other admins when it comes to why we aren't taking offense to it.
Where is the proof that I delayed, or griefed? Team wounding is something that is unavoidable at some point. I'm using a crossbow or throwing so is there are incidents where my shot doesn't go straight as anyone who has ever used ranged knows. I also receive no warnings when we kill each other at the end of the round after we have won. You are also basing these statements off fellow posters who a desire to have me banned for what ever reason that may be. NH Digglez has been the only one and has had 2 ban requests for me so saying I've had "multiple" threads against me is a little broad. I talked to an admin already about the first incident and got it settled. The second one he showed a log where I did say I killed him for payback but I already served three days as part of that and the other kill. I'm not really sure I understand but because I've been accused of other things and because I supposedly "trolled" granpappy, that means there is undeniable proof that I'm a tking troll who needs to be banned for an additional week. I'm that is what you're are trying to say, it's a little odd.
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I, Patrick Henry, am shocked and appalled at the flagrant disregard to human rights! Who are you, sirs, to so quickly cast down the mighty first president and glorious general of our United States of America? Is it so satisfying to subject others to your skewed and prejudiced judgement? Are we not all here to enjoy a rousing bout of Might & Blade: Warbands CRPG Mod?
Tell me, friends, what sort of lives you lead that you find yourselves creating such petty conflicts with a good, honorable, and honest man like George Washington? I believe that George Washington is innocent of your charges and furthermore that there should be a full investigation of the admin in question complimented by a reworking of your ban request system. Hear me, friends, a week long ban should not be granted for exercising ones own First Amendment right of free speech! Also, if I may be so bold, I must voice my objection to the continued tenure of the admin GrannPappy as he is clearly unfit mentally to continue to serve such a position. Such immature, illogical, and brash decision making must not stand!
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Pappy's immature and overreacts worse than me.
George Washington is a mega troll who should be banned anyway.
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Pappy's immature and overreacts worse than me.
George Washington is a mega troll who should be banned anyway.
Not sure how I'm a mega troll but it seems the admins no longer want to argue because they can't provide the sufficient evidence I requested. Instead of evidence, I'm told I'm a troll who has done nothing but bad things since I've been back but is nothing more than damage control to try and make excuses for my one week ban. If you can't beat me in an argument, I guess the next best thing is to just ban.
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So far almost every admin has agreed with Granpappy's ban. It's clear the way you're acting and your actions were inappropriate and against the rules. You can sit here and argue all day defending yourself but doubt it's being removed. Accept it - wait out the time and as I said before, come back with a new attitude. It really is as simple as that.
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So far almost every admin has agreed with Granpappy's ban. It's clear the way you're acting and your actions were inappropriate and against the rules. You can sit here and argue all day defending yourself but doubt it's being removed. Accept it - wait out the time and as I said before, come back with a new attitude. It really is as simple as that.
As long as I know I won the argument that is fine for me, you can sit here and try to tell me how I'm wrong which isn't surprising since you're obviously angry that I called you a nobody. I would refrain from posting in issues you have no clue about. You can work on getting more posts somewhere else which the thread is more general.
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As long as I know I won the argument that is fine for me, you can sit here and try to tell me how I'm wrong which isn't surprising since you're obviously angry that I called you a nobody. I would refrain from posting in issues you have no clue about. You can work on getting more posts somewhere else which the thread is more general.
Just further proves how shitty your attitude is, you're acting like some elitist. As I previously said, come back with a better attitude and maybe you won't get banned, if anything you're being a little salty right know.
P.S - If you won the argument you woulda been unbanned.
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GeorgeWashington's ban was justified and well deserved.
There, that's five admins who have made their opinion public, and more who have agreed in the Admin section.
I would refrain from posting if I were you George, just digging yourself a bigger hole.
The ban is not going to be lifted, so just wait it out like a man.
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GeorgeWashington's ban was justified and well deserved.
There, that's five admins who have made their opinion public, and more who have agreed in the Admin section.
I would refrain from posting if I were you George, just digging yourself a bigger hole.
The ban is not going to be lifted, so just wait it out like a man.
Lock the topic then if you agree it is determined already amongst the admins. Lock it with insufficient evidence for my banning to further prove to myself I'm innocent of my crimes. You can declare my attitude is bad but unless you have evidence to post, no one should be posting in the thread to just clutter.
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Lock the topic then if you agree it is determined already amongst the admins.
If that is what you want..
Your wish is my command.
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So can someone explain to me, after reading the following quoted text, what George Washington is being banned for? Because it seems pretty clear to me that he's being banned, without warning, for trolling in admin chat. Until then, I have to say, I do not agree with the decision based on information found in this thread, George's 3 day ban thread, and knowledge of who George Washington(both) is.
17:44:25 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] terrordeldeierto delibertally tk'd me
17:45:10 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I dont tolerate intentional tk's or team wounds, last fair warning. If I catch you, it will be a ban
17:45:26 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] So are you going to ban him?
17:47:00 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] It's simple, I'll explain it so someone of you're "ability" can understand. I accidently wound him, he tk's me and you warn me. You will not be biased or I will take it to the forums and ruin your credibility. [/
17:47:38 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] if you have screenshots George, go post them.
17:48:34 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] Ok well I will be taking note of your response. See you on the froums, your unprofessionalism and immaturity will be the downfall of yourself sir.
17:49:16 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I really dont care about your threats George. You claimed someone intentionally TK'd you. I didnt see it, I issued a warning. See you on the forums
17:49:24 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] post what you have
17:50:19 - [PLAYER2ADMIN][FF_GeorgeWashington] We will see, your lack of character and judgement clearly shows in your writing, what a shame.
18:06:32 - [ADMIN][GrannPappy] I appreciate you sticking around George. For you constant trolling and griefing in chat you are hereby banned for 1 week. Take that time to think about you behavior. You may screencap this and post in your unban request
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Admittedly, I too was under the impression that he had not been banned up until this point. Given that pappy had issued a 3-day ban a few days prior that does sort of change things if the I chat trolling was the only reason he was banned this time.It will be looked in to.
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Okay, so to clarify what happened here, whether or not you should have been banned by pappy for what we assume he banned you for, is currently aside from the point. That is, he may very well have been in the wrong, but you'd just have been banned by someone else. What happened, is that we took a look at the logs, and found several cases of you intentionally tking. This was found the day you got banned, so your ban would still have taken place on the same day, just a few hours apart.
Anyway, your retroactive punishment will last 1 week due to you just coming off of a 3 day ban and that week started with Pappy's ban.