People keep saying the whole UIF is attacking poor little CHAOS, but all I have seen attacking them is DRZ? I thought CHAOS were meant to be the badass Merican faction so why is it so tough to fight the most powerful European one?
People keep saying the whole UIF is attacking poor little CHAOS, but all I have seen attacking them is DRZ?
People keep saying the whole UIF is attacking poor little CHAOS, but all I have seen attacking them is DRZ? I thought CHAOS were meant to be the badass Merican faction so why is it so tough to fight the most powerful European one?Actually, STR is attacking as well, and there were a couple legio attacks too. But in any case of course it's hyperbole to say it's UIF, but honestly, while chaos was the strongest NA faction, it honestly doesn't mean much at all especially because NA is bad at strat. Also, Chaos also exhausted half their armies in an ongoing war with hospitallers/occitan when DRZ attacked fresh with months of stockpiled stuff. You can talk shit and troll if you want, I'm just going to enjoy the xp from the huge battles while it lasts.
People keep saying the whole UIF is attacking poor little CHAOS, but all I have seen attacking them is DRZ? I thought CHAOS were meant to be the badass Merican faction so why is it so tough to fight the most powerful European one?
Your strength is individual dueling.
Incidentally, Chaos vs Druzhina, I watched the battles and have a comment/suggestion for Chaos:
Split up more.
The usual thinking is "group up and fight together". This is not the CHAOS way and you suffer for trying it. Druzhina has more ranged and more polearms. CHAOS has much better individual skirmishers (especially when playing on NA). I watch a 10 vs 10 engagement end up with CHAOS being wiped but then I watch a solo CHAOS guy trying to sneak around the side kill 6 people before he finally gets shot to death with arrows.
Basically you guys aren't good at working together and Druzhina's strategy relies on them working together. Therefore a possible solution is, well....chaos. If you spread out, some of you will get massacred by Druzhina pikeman clumps but around the edges where other CHAOS members are able to fight people in 1's and 2's, you do well. And while conventional wisdom is that "streaming into the fight is bad", it might be what CHAOS needs to do -- not stream straight back into the central grinder, but basically everyone run in different directions -- enemy archers have no crowd to fire into (where they miss their target but hit someone else anyway) and Druzhina pikemen aren't good if they get spread thin. They want to fight clump to clump, not man to man.
Their best defense to this would be to stay in a clump, but then they can't protect their archers as well as if they ran out to meet you, and they can't protect their siege shields, weapon racks and weapon depot as well either.
In the battles I watched, CHOAS would group up and charge, then regroup and charge again and during the regroups, Druzhina was running out to grab weapons, drop them in a central location and someone's full time job was to stuff them back into the weapon rack. This person was completely unmolested as the clump vs clump battle raged a safe distance away. They kept that weapon rack running for 3/4ths of the fight, only losing it when CHAOS lost cohesion and started trying more flanking maneuvers by the 1's and 2's, which Druzhina had to counter by clumping up, forcing them to fight right on top of their archers and weapon rack.
In conclusion, CHAOS is using Druzhina tactics but they aren't as good at it because they lack polearms and ranged.
CHAOS should try fighting using "chaos" tactics. Your strength is individual dueling. Your weakness is group vs group. If you can't figure out how to quickly improve your weaknesses, then maybe you can find a way to play more to your strengths.
(Also, if you would supply your armies with a small number of heavy throwing axes, I would totally have killed those spawn camping horses...)
I'm wondering what would happen if CHAOS basically said, "Everyone who feels confident soloing, go solo. Run around the sides, whatever, cause trouble and ignore all orders from here on out. Everyone else fight as a clump and listen to orders."I'm afraid in the case with DRZ, where they have so many archers supporting them, the front may more or less be equal on infantry, but the ranged would light them up, they'd get overrun, and they'll still have arrows leftover for the skirmishers. Not to mention cav. Plus, when the group gets split up, the chance they'll push straight through the middle of the (diminished) lines and capture the flags, instantly putting an end to the battle, grows.
I think that's really where they had us. Volleys of arrows blotting out the sun, falling down to headshot us all. Ping no longer matters. It's just dark and cold.
Incidentally, Chaos vs Druzhina, I watched the battles and have a comment/suggestion for Chaos:
Split up more.
The usual thinking is "group up and fight together". This is not the CHAOS way and you suffer for trying it. Druzhina has more ranged and more polearms. CHAOS has much better individual skirmishers (especially when playing on NA). I watch a 10 vs 10 engagement end up with CHAOS being wiped but then I watch a solo CHAOS guy trying to sneak around the side kill 6 people before he finally gets shot to death with arrows.
Basically you guys aren't good at working together and Druzhina's strategy relies on them working together. Therefore a possible solution is, well....chaos. If you spread out, some of you will get massacred by Druzhina pikeman clumps but around the edges where other CHAOS members are able to fight people in 1's and 2's, you do well. And while conventional wisdom is that "streaming into the fight is bad", it might be what CHAOS needs to do -- not stream straight back into the central grinder, but basically everyone run in different directions -- enemy archers have no crowd to fire into (where they miss their target but hit someone else anyway) and Druzhina pikemen aren't good if they get spread thin. They want to fight clump to clump, not man to man.
Their best defense to this would be to stay in a clump, but then they can't protect their archers as well as if they ran out to meet you, and they can't protect their siege shields, weapon racks and weapon depot as well either.
In the battles I watched, CHOAS would group up and charge, then regroup and charge again and during the regroups, Druzhina was running out to grab weapons, drop them in a central location and someone's full time job was to stuff them back into the weapon rack. This person was completely unmolested as the clump vs clump battle raged a safe distance away. They kept that weapon rack running for 3/4ths of the fight, only losing it when CHAOS lost cohesion and started trying more flanking maneuvers by the 1's and 2's, which Druzhina had to counter by clumping up, forcing them to fight right on top of their archers and weapon rack.
In conclusion, CHAOS is using Druzhina tactics but they aren't as good at it because they lack polearms and ranged.
CHAOS should try fighting using "chaos" tactics. Your strength is individual dueling. Your weakness is group vs group. If you can't figure out how to quickly improve your weaknesses, then maybe you can find a way to play more to your strengths.
(Also, if you would supply your armies with a small number of heavy throwing axes, I would totally have killed those spawn camping horses...)
I think that's really where they had us. Volleys of arrows blotting out the sun, falling down to headshot us all. Ping no longer matters. It's just dark and cold.
I'm afraid in the case with DRZ, where they have so many archers supporting them, the front may more or less be equal on infantry, but the ranged would light them up, they'd get overrun, and they'll still have arrows leftover for the skirmishers. Not to mention cav. Plus, when the group gets split up, the chance they'll push straight through the middle of the (diminished) lines and capture the flags, instantly putting an end to the battle, grows.
The problem I see is that you're going to get pelted with arrows no matter what you do and if anything, clumping up just makes it better for the archers. Unless you have a solid shield wall (lots of people with nice, big huscarl or board shields) to advance with, preferably backed up with experienced pikemen, then you might as well spread out so that at least a missed archery shot is a miss and not a hit on someone else behind you.[/s]
The risk of them rushing your flags is the same for both sides. If you're all spread out and they suddenly clump and rush your flags, well, who's guarding their flags? There might be an amusing situation where both sides have no flags and it's suddenly a deathmatch.
Incidentally, I think trading has done more than castles. 50 players @ 24 goods per day @ 50 gold per good = 60,000 gold per DAY for your clan. Times 30 days is 1.8 million. And "50 gold per good" is fairly modest, I think.
I think a lot of NA has been sitting in 1 spot, crafting and selling for ~12 gold per good when even something like Ambean -> Mechin will get you something close to 30 gold per good in profit. (And it's really not that time consuming. You just need a couple of dedicated "traders" who load up goods, travel somewhere good, sell them, then come back. If you can produce goods on both sides of the trade route, so much the better. Out of those 50 players you could probably have 40 of them be slacker AFKers with 10 as semi-active crafters, traders and quartermasters and you'd be making bank.)
To be entirely honest, I completely agree with Slamz here. I could always tell that Chaos was almost entirely composed of duelists.
our guys hated your pikemen :)) they was one of our biggest problems, we didn't use to fight against so many pikes and learning something out of this too
Who was the guy that i did "this is sparta" from siege tower ?
To be honest, I thought the funniest thing was the naked guy who spent pretty much the whole match shoving weapons back into the weapon rack. We were joking about that, like his girlfriend asking him,
"So what did you do in that game you guys played earlier? Did you kick some ass?"
"Oh, I picked up weapons and I put them into a rack. For about an hour. It's what I do."
It's a mechanic that definitely falls a bit short in terms of "fun".
And in our defense, we're fighting to our very last man, and keeping our chins up, and some of us, our mouths shut.
Youd have been signifacntly more effective defending a village. Do what you have been doing agaisnt us an pack the narrow entrnaces with pikemen. An army of pikeman is not as good in the open field when you cant bottle neck people. You already lost many of your villages but you still have 2 to defend.
And yet, we didn't really have the option of a village defense. The only village we had a significant number of well-geared troops inside of was entirely bypassed by their armies. They simply walked right by Tebandra and left it alone, we didn't get the option of a decent village defense. We could have holed up in one or two places, sure, but we also didn't want them stomping all over our allies while we sat back idly waiting for an attack.On top of that, village defense is hardly an option because for some strange reason like 99% of the village maps put defenders into disadvantage over the attackers.
Which is also part of the reason why all these battles have happened at such a poor time: We can't force them to attack us.You can tweak your night time a little bit. Like set it to 8am-4pm EST or something like that.
Why not just make it so the attacker can choose the server, and the defender can choose the time?Maybe give Defender the option to pick their choice of the two, it seems that NA players would be on a larger disadvantage on EU servers, and with alliances you can always have people in a good timezone merc for you.
On an unrelated note, the video card on my laptop died two weeks ago which effectively means I'm out of Warband for an unknown period of time.
People keep saying the whole UIF is attacking poor little CHAOS, but all I have seen attacking them is DRZ? I thought CHAOS were meant to be the badass Merican faction so why is it so tough to fight the most powerful European one?
Obviously Mr Smartface there have been a lot more battles since I made this comment, at which point there had only been one or two non DRZ attacks. Thus the claim that the entire UIF is attacking, was at that that point clearly and obviously false. In fact it still remains to be (given the widespread accusations of who exactly the UIF is) false, in that it is not correct that all alleged, nor even all former confirmed UIF factions have attacked CHAOS in this war.Everybody gets in the pool and you all rise a little higher.
It seems hiding in NA territory has made PTX a grotesquely fat strategus player. Multiple burgers are being eaten by PTX right now, lets hope he can get out of Ambean without the need of a mobility scooter one day. :rolleyes:
People keep saying the whole UIF is attacking poor little CHAOS, but all I have seen attacking them is DRZ? I thought CHAOS were meant to be the badass Merican faction so why is it so tough to fight the most powerful European one?
Obviously Mr Smartface there have been a lot more battles since I made this comment, at which point there had only been one or two non DRZ attacks.
Thus the claim that the entire UIF is attacking, was at that that point clearly and obviously false. In fact it still remains to be (given the widespread accusations of who exactly the UIF is) false, in that it is not correct that all alleged, nor even all former confirmed UIF factions have attacked CHAOS in this war.
And of course Ribald Ron, we honour our merc agreement with DRZ, 22nd is a small faction in strat and without our strong diplomatic ties or as some might say "hiding" 22nd would quickly go the way of the Mercs. I make no claim that we have stood and done nothing to help DRZ, we would be fools not to support them in the ways we have previously agreed to do so. However with regards to trade, 22nd territory is a free trading zone to all peaceful traders. There is no special treatment there.
Anyway I should hope you have a better idea of whats going on after all CHAOS is directly involved, while all we are currently doing is honouring mercing agreements with our good friends the DRZ.
Always the group with the most members that win? no penalty for huge alliances? no incentive to wage war?Welcome to online games!
It seems hiding behind his big friends' backs has made Plazek a slightly distanced strategus player. Multiple UIF factions are attacking Chaos right now, whilst the rest are sitting by back, indirectly helping DRZ by trade and protection of their common territory. Why would the entire UIF march north? It would make no sense, since DRZ alone would probably be able to deal with this war easily. But, i guess, it is quite convenient to ignore that and just make snarky comments, pretending that there is no big super alliance. :rolleyes:
two things I do care about. Hold a grudge some moar, just remember to stay off our land. But that should not be too hard for you guys now should it.Wait, you hold your grudge from PREVIOUS STRAT battles, and you want us to stay off your land.
Wait, you hold your grudge from PREVIOUS STRAT battles, and you want us to stay off your land.If we are at war with the Antarans and the largest constituent of fighters is CHAOS then it is wrong to assume there is some kind of relationship between them that could mean there is a danger to allowing them in our land?
What about it being open to ALL PEACEFUL TRADERS? Haven't you learned not to deal in absolutes, Mr. Smarty Head?
To allow an ally of our enemy into our land is a clear security risk. Something an American I should imagine would understand considering how the border control in American airports works. :PNo, I don't really understand that - it was a trade caravan, which you accept all peaceful trade caravans.
Then all clans mercing for Chaos is their allies and should be punished? :)His argument, not mine.
His argument, not mine.
Apparently 22nd hasn't helped you guys at all. Yet he loves to call people on dealing with absolutes. And trash talk. :rolleyes:
You're basically just going to do whatever you want to unless somebody begs which isn't gonna come from me. :mrgreen:
who said we need begging? And you RibaldRon don't have anything of interest to us, because you got no troops to fight with.Just going based on your track record.
gl with thatThanks, that's not sardonic at all. :rolleyes:
Goddamn, Lordark, I used to think Valdian was bad. But no, give me Valdian back.
Your faction leaders bitch and bitch relentlessly about us trolling, but yet they allow you to exist? Shut your face for once you annoying little twit.
Nebun are you done attacking CHAOS? The cave i'm hidng in is dark and scary. ;)
Yes :))Ok so if i somehow get a fief i wont lose it to you? Good. The cave was dark and damp. It feels good to go out in the sun safely again!
no, it means we continue our war somewhere else
It' s like see the old Soviet Union invade the weak Europe and then try to invade America,i would see how will end. :shock:
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginAre you stupid? Is a comparison, an example ...you don't need to post shit like this :|
Are you stupid? Is a comparison, an example ...you don't need to post shit like this :|
It might just be the worst example ever used in human history.
"It' s like see the old Soviet Union invade the weak Europe and then try to invade America,i would see how will end. "
First of all, Soviet Union never invaded Europe (nor was "Europe" ever weak) OR tried to invade America. So there's that, but okay -- it might work if it was some kind of an elaborate fantasy setting that correlated to what's happening in-game. But how... how does it even... I mean... DRZ = Soviet Union, okay, I can see the correlation. But is uh.. is Chaos "weak Europe"? If so, why? What's "America" then? If Chaos is America, who's the weak Europe? How does the situation in strat resemble what Soviet union invading Europe&America would've resembled? Why would you craft up such a fantasy scenario of Soviet Union invading weak Europe and then trying to invade America in the first place to 'make a comparison'?
I'd get it if it was something like "It's like wolves trying to take down a deer" or it's like "when USA attacked Vietnam" but just your fantasy scenario alone assumes a lot of things that never happened and all of it just so you could make an awful, awful comparison that has no resemblance to the situation in Strat?
In fact was a fantasy example ,for weak Europe i mean territories they have already took in EU strategus part,you have explained what you meant(next don't post stupid images like that and ask explain).
tl;dr WAT IS DIS
Xant, don't go into that fantazy world :)) i doubt he got the same info on soviet union and europe during ww2 as we do.And if you get the idea was a fantasy idea don't use irony like i don't know history,i didn't meant any happened event in this world especially WW2 than i know better than you.
i know better than you.
dregh94What do you want nobody called you,the people in discussion are nebun me and xant don't join discussion you are not called in cause.
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Prove it.
Yeah dregh i'm stupid, where's your invitation? Get the fuck out of here, mang. This par-tay's strictly invitation only.As you wish, i let you continue to speak in your nerd discussions,people who don't understand what i mean but use prejudices only. :|
Dregh... *sigh*And you are german so what?Any problem with italians?
btw: That guy is Italian.