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Title: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Formless on February 23, 2012, 04:52:19 am
Has anyone else noticed that 1 handers glance many many times more often then 2 handers.  For example, today I was playing with my main with a master work arabian cav sword 36 cut damage with 7 Power Strike, and I kept glancing off, the last round I played I glanced off 6 times ( including 2 off of Voester's thick head), very frustrating.

Compare this to my alt 2 hander also with 7 Power strike also with 36 damage (longsword) and I never glance with him.  Anyone else noticed this? And anyone else finds this a bit odd?

 
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Vodner on February 23, 2012, 05:01:27 am
Has anyone else noticed that 1 handers glance many many times more often then 2 handers.  For example, today I was playing with my main with a master work arabian cav sword 36 cut damage with 7 Power Strike, and I kept glancing off, the last round I played I glanced off 6 times ( including 2 off of Voester's thick head), very frustrating.

Compare this to my alt 2 hander also with 7 Power strike also with 36 damage (longsword) and I never glance with him.  Anyone else noticed this? And anyone else finds this a bit odd?

 
One-handed animations are far picker about their sweet spots than two-handed animations. I can consistently do damage to Voester with 6 PS and 30c side-swings on my long espada, so you should definitely be able to hurt him with the ACS.

Against well armored players, aim for the head, move with the swing (for the speed bonus), and nail your sweet-spots.

If an enemy is using footwork to force glances on your left swing, just aim further to the left of their head, and strafe so that they don't force an early hit.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: MrShine on February 23, 2012, 05:02:13 am
You might not be used to the animations.  The right swing for example can glance if you don't center your target.

Thrust can be tricky to turn sometimes and can glance if you are too close.

Left swing and overhead basically never glance, and they are head magnets.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: robert_namo on February 23, 2012, 05:30:30 am
Did you know that left swing aims at the head? I do cause I've been 2 hit by 1h many times.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Wraist on February 23, 2012, 06:25:46 am
You might not be used to the animations.  The right swing for example can glance if you don't center your target.

Thrust can be tricky to turn sometimes and can glance if you are too close.

Left swing and overhead basically never glance, and they are head magnets.

Ironically, one day in duel, I glanced two left swings with 7PS and I think a pierce weapon :|

For me, Polearms glance the most by far, then onehanders glance once in a while if you hit early in the RHS animation or don't turn into stabs, and 2hers I think I only glanced on a couple of stabs [but when I fight them, they do painful glances for shitty stabs as opposed to pure glances].
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: justme on February 23, 2012, 07:42:15 am
my GLA with 9 ps glance more often these days :/
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Camaris on February 23, 2012, 11:35:15 am
It is true that you glance more often with 1h cause you have less damage.
But on the other hand 2H often get stuck while in animations. Friendly and Enemy players
left right and behind of you are a pain as 2H and you dont have as big problems as 1h.

I guess overall its fair. 1h glance more often. 2H and Pole often get stuck while starting the swing.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Mala on February 23, 2012, 12:22:41 pm
It is true that you glance more often with 1h cause you have less damage.
...

Naa, with a practice 2h sword and low PS my swings have nearly never glanced off.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Spawny on February 23, 2012, 12:32:08 pm
Sweetspots. All there is to it.

90% of the time a glance is caused by hitting to early or too late in the swing. Proper footwork can solve a lot. Allthough having a high damage mw weapon and lot's of PS also helps :P
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Mala on February 23, 2012, 01:15:25 pm
Sweetspots. All there is to it.

90% of the time a glance is caused by hitting to early or too late in the swing. Proper footwork can solve a lot. Allthough having a high damage mw weapon and lot's of PS also helps :P
But why i need a highdamge "haha" 1h weapon, a lot of PS and proper footwork while with 2hand i only need to leftclick and wave my mouse a bit?
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Wraist on February 23, 2012, 01:47:41 pm
But why i need a highdamge "haha" 1h weapon, a lot of PS and proper footwork while with 2hand i only need to leftclick and wave my mouse a bit?

2her animations activate earlier. I have been hit for half my health when behind a 2her enemy, and if I was exactly at their side, I'd still get hit :|. If they didn't activate as early, I think they'd be able to hit through doors and the like [pretty sure that's why they activate earlier].
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Mala on February 23, 2012, 01:53:45 pm
before it was the same against enemy players. (and they still can hit through their teammates).
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: B3RS3RK on February 23, 2012, 01:54:31 pm
Srsly for a moment I read "Excessive Gangbang"


Man.

My eyes are so pervert.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Kafein on February 23, 2012, 01:56:57 pm
But why i need a highdamge "haha" 1h weapon, a lot of PS and proper footwork while with 2hand i only need to leftclick and wave my mouse a bit?

This.

Or slow down the fuck out of the lightsabers.

The "getting stuck" argument also is invalid. Even though it doesn't make any sense, KAS overheads sometimes get stuck in teammates behind.

Long weapons were barely hit by the earlier active attacks, as clearly they still are the obvious choice, seeing the use data (50% of 2h kills are from DGS).
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Cyclopsided on February 23, 2012, 04:32:32 pm
On the note of 1h having retarded sweet spots for it's weapon length, enjoy the following info:
You'll glance with daggers and shorter 1h more than all the rest, because it makes those tiny sweet spot areas even smaller, while the intrinsically large glance area of the animation is still the same size.
All due to the weapon hitbox originating so far forward form the rest of your character. Y'know, at the end of your arm. That's why you can hilt-slash point blank with 2h side swings but glance with 1h.
~the more you know.

So now you know both ways to mess up 1h! Be out of their short reach, or step in so close you touch them and they glance.

A good player will use that knowledge to make themselves better when using a 1h.
A better player will use that knowledge to make themselves better against all enemy 1h.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: polkafranzi on February 23, 2012, 04:40:27 pm
Has anyone else noticed that 1 handers glance many many times more often then 2 handers.  For example, today I was playing with my main with a master work arabian cav sword 36 cut damage with 7 Power Strike, and I kept glancing off, the last round I played I glanced off 6 times ( including 2 off of Voester's thick head), very frustrating.

Compare this to my alt 2 hander also with 7 Power strike also with 36 damage (longsword) and I never glance with him.  Anyone else noticed this? And anyone else finds this a bit odd?

 

I dunno man, I think it's about skill, otherwise Royalknight Ito Ittosai or wutever he's called wouldn't be be going 50-4 on every map...2h'ers lagging behind  :lol:
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Kansuke on February 23, 2012, 07:27:17 pm
The main problem is on the 1h stab, it glance way too much with sword, if you don't turn into your stab you have no chance of hurting your opponent while 2h can stand straight stab and it won't glance which imho is bullshit if you consider how it is in real life where it's much easier to stab with a 1h.
This game and crpg are pretty much fucked on this level, you can swing a flammerge like if it was chopsticks.
Atm with my sword which does 24 damage trust combined with 8 PS my swing will glance 50% of the time against an opponent who has more than 40 armor.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Uumdi on February 23, 2012, 07:35:03 pm
Another note that's worth stressing is charging your swings for that second-long time window.  Is it 1 second, or 1 1/2, I forget, but you're character will let out an oh-so-manly grunt that gives you an extremely high damage bonus, like 30 or 50%.  Holding your swings on occasion helps a ton.

And if you play dirty like me, aim for the face and even the lower body.  I'm always always going for the face, but I think that's just cuz I'm a jerk.  I'd say I have no trouble glancing because I use a giant spear/hook, but I made a 3 PS wakizashi STF, and was getting hits on goretooth.

Probably for 1-5 damage... and he swatted me out of the air soon after, but the hits went through I swear to you!
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Vodner on February 23, 2012, 07:40:05 pm
Another note that's worth stressing is charging your swings for that second-long time window.  Is it 1 second, or 1 1/2, I forget, but you're character will let out an oh-so-manly grunt that gives you an extremely high damage bonus, like 30 or 50%.  Holding your swings on occasion helps a ton.
Between 0 and 0.5 seconds, the bonus linearly scales from 0% to 50%. Holding for 0.5-0.6 seconds will give you a 50% bonus. After 0.6 seconds, the bonus linearly scales down to 20% at 1.1 seconds.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Turboflex on February 23, 2012, 07:40:56 pm
I find pierce 1h glance less. Really nice to have a weapon with alternate like broad 1h axe for heavy armour guys who I would glance like crazy off in slash mode.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Laufknoten on February 23, 2012, 08:16:43 pm
I dunno man, I think it's about skill, otherwise Royalknight Ito Ittosai or wutever he's called wouldn't be be going 50-4 on every map...2h'ers lagging behind  :lol:
Well, the MW NCS is obviously the way to go. He's a great player and shows this every map, but he wouldn't pull out stats like that with an unloomed espada. Still I don't know why he's so god damn fast with this sword.  :D
NCS and Elite scim are the top 1h swords without a doubt. While there is only one long espada user on the map, there are usually 5 or more elite scim users. 1h price balance is just fail, elite scim and NCS should be the most expensive 1h swords.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Spawny on February 23, 2012, 08:29:09 pm
Well, the MW NCS is obviously the way to go. He's a great player and shows this every map, but he wouldn't pull out stats like that with an unloomed espada. Still I don't know why he's so god damn fast with this sword.  :D
NCS and Elite scim are the top 1h swords without a doubt. While there is only one long espada user on the map, there are usually 5 or more elite scim users. 1h price balance is just fail, elite scim and NCS should be the most expensive 1h swords.

The long espada is so expensive because it's meant to be used without a shield, making it effectively cheaper than a NCS/Shield combination.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Laufknoten on February 23, 2012, 09:37:43 pm
The long espada is so expensive because it's meant to be used without a shield, making it effectively cheaper than a NCS/Shield combination.
If that's the justification for the price - okay. But still I rarely see people using it either with or without a shield. The NCS' or Elite Scims are a better choice, even though I really like the long espada. A mw ncs has stats close to the 2h swords damage wise and the high cut makes it much more viable, while the elite scim is a weapon even a chimp would be successful with. They are both more efficient and easier to use, which is also shown by their "overuseness" and therefore they should be more expensive than the LEE imo.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: hippy_with_a_scimi on February 24, 2012, 12:31:12 am
If that's the justification for the price - okay. But still I rarely see people using it either with or without a shield. The NCS' or Elite Scims are a better choice, even though I really like the long espada. A mw ncs has stats close to the 2h swords damage wise and the high cut makes it much more viable, while the elite scim is a weapon even a chimp would be successful with. They are both more efficient and easier to use, which is also shown by their "overuseness" and therefore they should be more expensive than the LEE imo.

the scimi damage is not that great anymore to justify a price increase , beside there is tons of better choices out there nowadays like the LEE or the italian
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Gurnisson on February 24, 2012, 12:33:42 am
If that's the justification for the price - okay. But still I rarely see people using it either with or without a shield. The NCS' or Elite Scims are a better choice, even though I really like the long espada. A mw ncs has stats close to the 2h swords damage wise and the high cut makes it much more viable, while the elite scim is a weapon even a chimp would be successful with. They are both more efficient and easier to use, which is also shown by their "overuseness" and therefore they should be more expensive than the LEE imo.

Italian Sword is better than both NCS and Elite Scimi and it's also cheaper.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Zerobot1 on February 24, 2012, 08:33:35 am
Sorry but you're nuts if you think 1h needs any sort of buff.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Camaris on February 24, 2012, 01:15:27 pm
The long espada is so expensive because it's meant to be used without a shield, making it effectively cheaper than a NCS/Shield combination.

I know lots of people will come and say how op LEE is but i still think that NCS and KAS are superior even if you use them without shield.
1h stab is worst 1h attack. It doesnt make it better that it rocks if you do full damage from time to time. LEE would be fine if Stab would be fine.
It isnt => LEE is a specialist weapon for those who managed to learn  how to stab and if you look at the servers i hardly see people succeding.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Tindel on February 24, 2012, 01:49:27 pm
Im one of the people who can stab with 1h, i pretty much only use the LEE +shield.

I would like it lowered in price, cause it is unfairly expensive. Italian sword, elite scimitar, warhammer, steel pick,  these weapons ought to cost more than a LEE.


So i can wear plate...........    :lol:



Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Vibe on February 24, 2012, 01:53:58 pm
The main problem is on the 1h stab, it glance way too much with sword, if you don't turn into your stab you have no chance of hurting your opponent while 2h can stand straight stab and it won't glance which imho is bullshit if you consider how it is in real life where it's much easier to stab with a 1h.

This. My long espada glanced today at perfect range/positioning, but I didn't spin it. What a load of BS
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Gurnisson on February 24, 2012, 01:57:03 pm
I have no problem using 1H stab. I've used stab with grosse messer, italian sword and regular espada. Works fine.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: BlindGuy on February 24, 2012, 02:11:51 pm
I have no problem using 1H stab. I've used stab with grosse messer, italian sword and regular espada. Works fine.

FINE? 1hand stab is the best looking and most win way of killing the last enemy and winning the round, the map and hitting  lvl 31 all at one time! LOVE 1handed stab!
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Xant on February 24, 2012, 02:31:17 pm
This. My long espada glanced today at perfect range/positioning, but I didn't spin it. What a load of BS

I'd like to see you stab with your "long espada" ;)
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Mlekce on February 24, 2012, 02:31:23 pm
Has anyone else noticed that 1 handers glance many many times more often then 2 handers.  For example, today I was playing with my main with a master work arabian cav sword 36 cut damage with 7 Power Strike, and I kept glancing off, the last round I played I glanced off 6 times ( including 2 off of Voester's thick head), very frustrating.

Compare this to my alt 2 hander also with 7 Power strike also with 36 damage (longsword) and I never glance with him.  Anyone else noticed this? And anyone else finds this a bit odd?

 

My balased scimitar glance every time i hit someone with heavy armor if i aim for body. never glance when i hit head,and no head armor can protect tincans from my scimitar.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Laufknoten on February 24, 2012, 02:46:10 pm
I have no problem using 1H stab. I've used stab with grosse messer, italian sword and regular espada. Works fine.
It works fine and if you know how to use it, even the butter knife Espada Eslavona is devastating. But compared to the 2h swords the 1h stab is laughable...
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: BlindGuy on February 24, 2012, 03:24:38 pm
It works fine and if you know how to use it, even the butter knife Espada Eslavona is devastating. But compared to the 2h swords the 1h stab is laughable...

Yes but I often kill ppl with Knife and Dagger (not long dagger, thats a trendy shit) cause the 1handed stab is so boss.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Phew on February 28, 2012, 03:42:37 pm
Right-to-left 1h swing glances way too much, even with perfect range/position. Left-to-right and overhead don't seem to suffer from this malady.

1h thrust, on the other hand, is just totally unpredictable. If you actually aim it at the guy, it will glance. So you have to aim it in some random direction then spin into your target. People rage at this maneuver, but it's only done because it's the only way to not glance with the 1h thrust. On top of this, there is no rhyme or reason to the 1h thrust hitbox calculation; sometime I can thrust directly into some AFK guy's skull and it misses, then another time I'll thrust and headshot some guy like 6ft off to my right.

2h is so popular because the animations are reliable; they don't glance unless you really screw up, and the hitboxes are logical. Every 1h thrust/right swing attempt is a potentially suicide.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: MrShine on February 28, 2012, 04:13:36 pm
Right-to-left 1h swing glances way too much, even with perfect range/position. Left-to-right and overhead don't seem to suffer from this malady.

I still have to get the whole 1h thrust down, but I don't think the right-to-left glances if you have the target in the proper location.

Normally for the left to right swing you can have the target more to the left of you, but the right-to-left requires the target to be centered.

Example:   X = enemy,  O = you.

Proper left-to-right swing location.

X
  O

Proper right-to-left swing location.

   X
   O

NOT

       X
    O

Right swing can really come in handy, especially given how its surprising range can catch people unexpectedly.  But I've been able to land most of my right swings so far with my 5 PS.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Turboflex on February 28, 2012, 04:21:45 pm
Good post MrShine, explains it well. I think this makes sense since your "forehand" shot  needs more of a wind-up since the point of contact is further away from you. It's definitely tricky to use, but you can use it deceptively, start your swing when you are turned away from opponent and then turn into it so you centre on him at contact point, you can catch a lot of people who assume you've missed and start their own attack.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: rustyspoon on February 28, 2012, 04:26:16 pm
Honestly, I rarely glance with a 1h and I have only 6 ps. Generally if I glance, it's because I made a mistake.

The big problem with 1-handers is they will often glance if you're being face-hugged. 2 handers glance much less from that range. It's kind of ironic that 2-handers perform better at really close range than 1-h swords.

That's one reason why I have 7 athletics. I can always keep opponents at the perfect range for me.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Dezilagel on February 28, 2012, 04:37:12 pm
That's one reason why I have 7 athletics. I can always keep opponents at the perfect range for me.

NA ninja build  :lol:
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Thovex on February 28, 2012, 04:39:24 pm
Honestly, I rarely glance with a 1h and I have only 6 ps. Generally if I glance, it's because I made a mistake.

The big problem with 1-handers is they will often glance if you're being face-hugged. 2 handers glance much less from that range. It's kind of ironic that 2-handers perform better at really close range than 1-h swords.

That's one reason why I have 7 athletics. I can always keep opponents at the perfect range for me.

I think you'll need atleast 10 if you play in EU.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Xant on February 28, 2012, 04:45:28 pm
If someone facehugs you, press e.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: San on February 28, 2012, 05:16:57 pm
Athletics is pretty hard to acquire if you're 1h, to be honest.


I think a good general area for right swing is slightly to your right, but not much more. It's much easier to hit if you're not even looking at your opponent and more to the side, too.


There are people who are amazing with the 1h stab that make it difficult to force glances, but I do think it's a little weak compared to the other directions. You do feel cool when you kill people with them, though.


What's aggravating is when the short 1hs overhead glance since it doesn't make sense for the animation. (or miss, but that's more weird hitboxes)
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Dravic on February 28, 2012, 05:24:42 pm
I think you'll need atleast 10 if you play in EU.

Fortunately, he is from NA.

I played NA a bit today, and even with 140+ ping I could make quite a positive ratio on most of maps...

... with 12str 4pt thrower.

Yes, I did actually hit them 90% of time and every guy took from 1 to 4 axes.

You ask me, how could I be accurate with throwing(!) with such a high ping (!!)? Low athletics of players...
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: BlueKnight on February 28, 2012, 05:43:56 pm
Naa, with a practice 2h sword and low PS my swings have nearly never glanced off.
blunt dmg is blunt dmg....
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: BlueKnight on February 28, 2012, 05:57:12 pm
The main problem is on the 1h stab, it glance way too much with sword, if you don't turn into your stab you have no chance of hurting your opponent while 2h can stand straight stab and it won't glance which imho is bullshit if you consider how it is in real life where it's much easier to stab with a 1h.
This game and crpg are pretty much fucked on this level, you can swing a flammerge like if it was chopsticks.
Atm with my sword which does 24 damage trust combined with 8 PS my swing will glance 50% of the time against an opponent who has more than 40 armor.

...................
Kansuke, have you been playing 2h?
The only moment when you don't need to turn your stab to hit the enemy as 2h is when you are both charging at each other. stab of 1h is as good as stab of 2h. 1h has higher speed which makes it block hits faster when you feint. sometimes it's just hardly possible to block from feinting because of the speed of sword coming to block. It's not insta block. 1h have faster blocks. Don't whine at 2h. their all weapons that have bonus agains shield are unbalanced (except 1h fighting axe with secondary mode). They cost a-fucking-lot and they don't deal any superior damage. sometimes in heavy armour and with a few points in IF you die after 2 hits from a shielder and his leftswing headshot. It's a lot easier to hit 2h with 1h weapon than to hit 1h with 2h weapon. Slowness of the fight and predicibility of the 2her makes him easy to block. also right swing of 1h is pretty long. It's because of an animation that adds additional range coming from the arm. Kansuke you are one of the bestestest 1h I was fighting with. You must know all of that. I don't know why you are whining. When you used to use your niuwedao or whateva it was so spammy and hard to block you were killing everybody. I am not sure if didn't you change that weapon because it wasn't nordic-looking. Anyway 2h needs to know something about these things to know his advantages and 1h knowing his weapon and a weapon of the enemy can pwn. I wrote so fucking long thing that I wonder if anybody read this. greetings  :)
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Xant on February 28, 2012, 06:28:47 pm
You don't need to turn into a 2h stab if you're just stabbing normally, but by spinthrusting you can effectively stab from any distance. Which is the major advantage of 2h - the amazing thrust. Stab of 1h is definitely not as good as the stab of 2h, nowhere near. Stab is the worst attack of 1handers due to its unpredictability. I'm not sure what you mean by hard to block from feinting, but all weapons have insta-block and thus none are faster than the other.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Mala on February 28, 2012, 08:31:28 pm
.... stab of 1h is as good as stab of 2h. 1h has higher speed which makes it block hits faster when you feint. ...

Umm, the 1h stab is ultra slow.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: karasu on February 28, 2012, 08:34:06 pm
Starts slow, and ends fast, you always need to use speed with mouse movement in order to avoid glance, almost at the end of the animation.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Spawny on February 28, 2012, 08:40:35 pm

 1h has higher speed which makes it block hits faster when you feint. sometimes it's just hardly possible to block from feinting because of the speed of sword coming to block. It's not insta block. 1h have faster blocks.

This post was wrong on so many accounts, but this has to be adressed:

weaponspeed has NOTHING to do with block speed. Every manual block is an instant block. The only times you can't block are when you're stunned for some reason or when you are in the middle of a swing with an unbalanced weapon.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: BlindGuy on February 28, 2012, 10:40:59 pm
Well, this needs clarification: 1hander with shield is not the same as 1hander without shield. Shield slows your blocks and your movement.

2hander has vastly superior animations, and is VERY popular:

Currently I play an archer, with +3 warbow, here is my build:

Attributes

Strength    18    
Agility    18    

Weapon proficiency
Available points: 0
One Handed    50   
Archery          150

Skills

Iron Flesh       5    
Power Strike       6    
Athletics               6
Power Draw       6       
Weapon Master  6    

 But my REAL pride and joy is my sidearm, the GODLIKE and MIGHTY:

+3 Short Sword.

29 cut, 29 pierce, and 103 speed.

With this baby I have owned SO many players. I seldom glance and bounce, and the stab is GODLIKE. I go from backpeddling to putting my hand thru enemies chests in an instant. If I get your head, your gonna get 1/2 hit.

But since this weapon is so pidly, and even with 'loom pack mod (FINALBOSS, your mod is BOSS, thanks) you cannot tell it is a +3 easily, MANY are the players who see an archer, think: OOOH Im gonna pwn him, and end up eating 1handed stabs for breakfast. Also with nice footwork (a quick stepback after the stab and a half step forward) you can link a facestab into an overhead before they can react, usually ending the round for them.

Only drawbacks to 1handed is having to live in your enemies pocket, moreso with a weapon like mine (81 lengh).  But with clever usage 1handed is the most rewarding. I have always found it easy to use range/speed on 2handers and polearms to rape ppl, but mastering 1handed and killing players with more range, speedy animations, armour, wpf, STR and dmg with a weapon that costs 100 gold to upkeep will never cease to make me smile.

PLAYERS TO WATCH to see 1handed used well: Osiris (currently a 2hander I believe, but his smooth spinning and chopping style has always made me fear him)
Massasin: Kastu is always a good player but his running off/coming back superaggresion is very effective.
Theres SO many more but those 2 are very cool to watch.

PLAYERS NOT WATCH: SO MANY bad shielders out there, but the worst are the ones who do well, eg Leoking: High level and reliance on a overpowered shield make him lazy with his awereness and swings.

Inshort: 1handed is GREAT, it just takes a little effort to learn.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Miley on February 28, 2012, 10:53:46 pm
Yes, they glance sometimes, and sometimes they almost one hit you.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: EyeBeat on February 29, 2012, 12:31:57 am
Yes, they glance sometimes, and sometimes they almost one hit you.

You don't wear armor. 

Also...

Pretty much anything you say can be taken with a grain of salt since I remember last week over heading your naked head twice with my +3 elite scimi and not killing you.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Vibe on February 29, 2012, 01:50:40 pm
The only times you can't block are when you're stunned for some reason or when you are in the middle of a swing with an unbalanced weapon.

There is also a small window at the end of the swing/thrust when you can't block with any weapon.
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Diomedes on February 29, 2012, 10:19:38 pm
I'd like to see two-handers deal less damage on their weird-angle swings.  I'm okay with them landing those blows - it's just what they do - but I'm not okay with the tip of a 2hander glitching around my shield, nicking my chest, and still dealing 3/4 my health.  The real strength of 2handers is that they can land a lot of blows other weapons can't, and are often the more versatile for it.  I'd like to see a greater value placed on the quality of their hits rather than merely the quantity.

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Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Siiem on February 29, 2012, 10:54:05 pm
Starts slow, and ends fast

Starts slow, and ends fast

Starts slow, and ends fast
Title: Re: Excessive Glancing with 1 hand weapons
Post by: Dezilagel on February 29, 2012, 10:56:23 pm
...if you know what I mean...