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Title: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on February 16, 2012, 05:21:38 am
As most of you SHOULD! know, the ME3 demo has been out for a little while. Has anyone else played it yet? What are yall's thoughts on the MP?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on February 16, 2012, 10:27:44 am
EA supports ACTA/SOPA/PIPA so fuck Mass Effect 3, even though I like the game and love the universe I won't touch it.

Never bought an Activision game since their whole Infinity Ward fiasco either.

Don't be a mindless sheep for just for once.

-

Edit:

Had to add this fan made Mass Effect 3 trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWjPRsYZlFw&hd=1). If anyone can resist the temptation :wink:

Pains me really not to buy this game - unless at least Bioware come out against ACTA.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Thovex on February 16, 2012, 01:25:25 pm
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This is what I do to games made/published by companies that support ACTA/SOPA/PIPA.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ManOfWar on February 16, 2012, 01:45:39 pm
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This is what I do to games made/published by companies that support ACTA/SOPA/PIPA.
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looks like I am going to have to pirate the whole damned trilogy for the computer

Damn that is gonna be a pain
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on February 16, 2012, 01:54:08 pm
The MP is quite boring at least for me.
It is like the Invasion mods, waves of NPC and you ave to kill them all or do some other tasks on time.
Ok, and you can level your toon a bit.

PS: engineer has been buffed, yay.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2012, 03:44:02 pm
I played ME1, liked it.

Then ME2 got out, most people I trust said it was shit. Never bought, never played.

I got no serious hope for ME3 and anyway if I ever want to play it, you can be sure EA gets nothing out of it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: [ptx] on February 16, 2012, 03:46:03 pm
ME2 wasn't shit, it just took a whole different direction from ME1. I quite liked ME1 too, had some fun with ME2 as well, some people say ME2 is better. You should try it!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vibe on February 16, 2012, 03:47:55 pm
Liked both ME1 and ME2, going to play ME3 too.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Thovex on February 16, 2012, 04:30:57 pm
I kinda preferred ME2 over ME1, but they were both great.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Teeth on February 16, 2012, 05:09:07 pm
EA supports ACTA/SOPA/PIPA so fuck Mass Effect 3, even though I like the game and love the universe I won't touch it.

Never bought an Activision game since their whole Infinity Ward fiasco either.

Don't be a mindless sheep for just for once.
Thank you, now I won't have to feel guilty about pirating it  :twisted:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Angantyr on February 16, 2012, 05:13:11 pm
Copying is not stealing :!:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nehvar on February 16, 2012, 05:47:26 pm
ME2 is good if you turn the difficulty all the way up.  The harder settings make a lot more sense than ME1, too.  Enemies get additional defenses like armor/shields/barriers instead of absurd amounts of HP.  I never got past the bar fight scene in ME1 on the hardest setting; found it too silly that some unarmored/unshielded bar thug could take twenty shots to the face from my space-pistol.

As for ME3...I won't be buying it...but I'll probably play it.  Fuck SOPA/PIPA/ACTA and Origin.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on February 16, 2012, 06:25:40 pm
YEAH PEOPLE, LETS GET THIS FORUM POTENTIALLY CLOSED BECAUSE OF TALKING ABOUT OPEN PIRACY!
GO GO GO PIRACY!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Thovex on February 16, 2012, 06:48:02 pm
YEAH PEOPLE, LETS GET THIS FORUM POTENTIALLY CLOSED BECAUSE OF TALKING ABOUT OPEN PIRACY!
GO GO GO PIRACY!

Only ManOfWar is talking about piracy, the NA bastard! The rest is not saying they are pirating it. So no.

The picture I posted has nothing to do with Piracy, I'm right there talking about killing myself for supporting that crap.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Angantyr on February 16, 2012, 07:35:19 pm
Piracy is now both a political movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_(Sweden)), and a recognized religion (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16424659).



Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Teeth on February 16, 2012, 07:39:14 pm
Talking about piracy isn't against the rules.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Tibe on February 16, 2012, 07:40:43 pm
I have to agree with Nessaj. EA has been seriuslly retarded recently by hoping to gain sales. All that anti-piracy bullshit, and they just dont fuck around with the PC releases oh noes, they have also started the same crap with the Xbox platform aswell. I dont see the point in this fight against piracy. People who pirate, would never even buy the game, even if torrents never exsisted. I think it would be like 5% of the pirated copies ammounts that would buy the game if piracy didnt exist. So what they do if they acctually win the war, is make the game less popular.

Same shit with Ubisoft. Complainin that every1 pirated Anno 2070 rather than bought it and made special buggy internet shit in em :evil:. But what they forget is their game came out about same time as Skyrim, MW 3 and other popular titles. Their release date was fuuucked. Not many people had money left in their pockets after MW 3 and Skyrim.

But Mass Effect overall? 1 was good, 2 I did not like soo much, 3 got no idea, havent been really big fan of this francise.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kalam on February 16, 2012, 08:33:58 pm
I am actually one of those people that buys games I like after I've pirated it. Not so much (haven't pirated anything in awhile) now, but a lot in the past. Since I grew up in a developing country, I used to straight up pay ($5 equivalent) for pirated shit and then buy original stuff when I had the money/the price went down.

Much the same for music and video, too.

That said, I won't be buying ME3 even though I love the series so far.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SixThumbs on February 16, 2012, 08:51:18 pm
Considering I'm not directly paying the directors and programmers and I've purchased multiple copies of games before or for a separate platform I have no qualms with pirating the occasional movie or game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: MadJackMcMad on February 17, 2012, 11:29:59 pm
I do hope this isn't an example of the final product.  The singleplayer intro is poorly paced, badly written and lacking any sort of aesthetic polish.  It has that bitter taste of unfinished.  Frankly it's immensely disappointing, a nosedive from the dramatically sound intro of the second game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on February 18, 2012, 01:10:55 am
I do hope this isn't an example of the final product.  The singleplayer intro is poorly paced, badly written and lacking any sort of aesthetic polish.  It has that bitter taste of unfinished.  Frankly it's immensely disappointing, a nosedive from the dramatically sound intro of the second game.
What is this singleplayer you speak of? I've already spent like 5+ hours on the MP and haven't even touched that thing yet.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vibe on February 18, 2012, 08:38:49 am
MP is quite fun tbh.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ujin on February 18, 2012, 12:45:19 pm
Just played the demo, MP is damn awesome. Can't resist now, gonna buy the game . I've fallen to the Dark Side , lol.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on February 18, 2012, 02:59:15 pm
Had to check out the demo and the MP isn't half bad but still based on the most simple of principles (which has never failed) -> carrot and stick. The handling is quite good though, almost perfect which is very surprising, seems they actually got rid of the sluggishness etc that you usually find in these console -> PC games. It will be hard to resist not buying it, personally I'm not that enthralled in the multiplayer, it has potential but there's nothing creative or innovative about it at all, it feels like something you would grow tired of very fast if not for the dangling carrot in front of you.

It really seems ACTA won't make it through so one could buy ME3 in somewhat good faith :wink: but still, meh, buying anything from those freedom hating companies is just -.- considering making ME3 "the final buy" though and after it no more compromising, ever (too bad EA/Activision sits on most releases :evil:).

'The Economist' And 'Financial Times' Already Writing Off ACTA As Dead (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120210/11023517730/economist-financial-times-already-writing-off-acta-as-dead.shtml)
Latvia Joins Countries Putting The Brakes On ACTA Approval (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120209/13525017717/latvia-joins-countries-putting-brakes-acta-approval.shtml)
Poland Prime Minister Suspends Any Effort To Ratify ACTA; May Kill ACTA In The EU (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120203/11115017653/poland-prime-minister-suspends-any-effort-to-ratify-acta-may-kill-acta-eu.shtml)
Czech Government Suspends ACTA Ratification (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120206/10005617669/czech-government-suspends-acta-ratification.shtml)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: MadJackMcMad on February 18, 2012, 04:10:35 pm
What is this singleplayer you speak of? I've already spent like 5+ hours on the MP and haven't even touched that thing yet.


lol 5 hours.  LvL 20 Infiltrator here, with a LvL 14 soldier alt.  Bloody lightweights.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Siiem on February 18, 2012, 10:44:43 pm
Played the MP a bit with Lezard, I enjoyed it. Buying the game? HELL NO. You see shit everywhere "UNLOCK GAME CONTENT PRE ORDER NAOW" And the whole origin shit. Fu ea.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Teeth on February 18, 2012, 11:37:14 pm
That multiplayer sure is a surprise.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on February 19, 2012, 01:35:36 am
For the Multiplayer, has anyone figured out what the number next to the N7 means? Is it total missions attempted?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on February 19, 2012, 04:25:59 am
Just a heads up (sorry for the double post!) ME1 and 2 are 5 bucks at amazon. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=br_lf_m_1000771881_pglink_1?ie=UTF8&plgroup=1&docId=1000771881&plpage=1)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: tyranoid on February 19, 2012, 07:21:19 am
Played the demo got to lvl 20 in 2 hours or so incredibly bored now i hope this isn't the only thing there offering in "multiplayer"
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Siiem on February 19, 2012, 08:26:08 am
For the Multiplayer, has anyone figured out what the number next to the N7 means? Is it total missions attempted?

N7 is some sort of special forces code, dunno what exactly. Heard it in mass effect one, N7 special forces clearance.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on February 19, 2012, 11:31:28 am
Stolen from the mass effect wiki.
Quote
N7 is a vocational code in the Systems Alliance military. The "N" designates special forces and the "7" refers to the highest level of proficiency. It applies to marines who have graduated from an elite training program.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Teeth on February 19, 2012, 12:44:37 pm
It seems to be some kind of skill rating as the guys with the highest N7 rating top the leaderboards. Seems very arbitrary though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on February 24, 2012, 05:51:54 am
Bad news with everyone that bought the standard ME3...you'll have to buy a DLC to have the "real game experience".

SPOILER ALERT!

http://www.vg247.com/2012/02/21/mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-spotted-on-xbox-live/

SPOILER ALERT!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on February 24, 2012, 11:54:41 am
Naa, it is just an additional crewmamber and his mission.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Thovex on February 24, 2012, 12:57:11 pm
Still, ME's day 1 DLC made me chicken out from buying ME2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ujin on February 24, 2012, 02:16:08 pm
This guy pretty much sums it  up about the day 1 DLC. I might reconsider buying the game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on February 24, 2012, 03:12:18 pm
That would be a strong reconsideration. However, DLC made prior to release isn't a new thing, look at the COD (Activision) sales. It would seem that a lot ignore it and buy anyway, thus forcing more of this behavior on gamers in the future.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on February 24, 2012, 03:27:11 pm
It is the same thing like Sebastion in DA2.
It adds a few more story pieces but you dont need it to understand the plot, was nice to have but nothing more.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SixThumbs on February 24, 2012, 04:35:45 pm
Gogo and Umaro from FFVI were DLC and it's not nice that they make us pay for them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ujin on February 24, 2012, 04:57:03 pm
It is the same thing like Sebastion in DA2.
It a dds afew more story pieces but you dont need it to understand the plot, was nice to have but nothing more.
Didn't play that shit after i tried the demo. And i don't see how a motherwooping prothean character is not important for the plot, considering his race and everything that relates to it is one of the most important plot elements.

I think the DLC is , quite frankly , unacceptable.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on February 24, 2012, 05:03:30 pm
Well no doubt people will buy it no matter what like they did with COD and every other game that ultimately will only bring us worse and more expensive gaming experiences. Mindless drones without free will, slaves to entertainment and dopamine rushes thereof (false sense of achievement).

If you read the Bioware forums there's even a solid minority defending all these issues. It truly boggles the mind how people can champion causes that is in no way 'good' for them:

From Ashes DLC Released on XBL marketplace? (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9382439/1)  (72 pages before being locked)
Mass Effect 3: From Ashes (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705/286) (286 pages)

The excuse that the DLC has been developed by another company on the side - and therefore cannot/is-not included in the actual release - is also being called into question since the voice overs seem to be in the actual game, and thus goes to prove that they knew about and had it planned way prior to. Maybe they're just trying to save face, maybe not, either way;

I'm with TB, I like the Mass Effect universe I want to play the third installment to see the ending and I had pretty much decided this would be the last EA game I'd buy, but now, NO, as TB says a line has to be drawn in the sand.

There's too many negatives around Bioware/EA now, as many as there are with Activision. Time to stop buying/supporting their products altogether.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ozin on February 24, 2012, 11:49:43 pm
This is the worst kind of DLC I have ever seen.. To exclude such a vital part of the plot and release it as DLC on day one is just downright disgusting. There is no way in hell I'm going to be spending my money on this game now, not a chance.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on February 25, 2012, 01:28:10 am
Didn't play that shit after i tried the demo. And i don't see how a motherwooping prothean character is not important for the plot, considering his race and everything that relates to it is one of the most important plot elements.

I think the DLC is , quite frankly , unacceptable.

His culture has already lost against the reapers. There will be a few additional codex entiers but nothing more. You will not need him to beat the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ujin on February 25, 2012, 11:28:01 am
His culture has already lost against the reapers. There will be a few additional codex entiers but nothing more. You will not need him to beat the game.
I don't think i need to go into any further explanations why a prothean companion is drastically important. It's not about whether we need him to beat the game or not. We don't need most of the other companions either, should they also be DLC's ?

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Leesin on February 25, 2012, 11:52:53 am
I fucking despise 0-day DLC, it's so blatently greedy and insulting yet so many people will still pay for it, I will not buy any DLC for ME3 at all now, this stuff pisses me off so much it makes me not even want to buy or play the game anymore.

 Developers claim piracy loses them huge amounts of sales, even though it doesn't in reality, it's actually bullshit like this that loses them more sales.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on February 25, 2012, 11:58:40 am
Jack is hot <3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kafein on February 25, 2012, 12:39:12 pm
I'm not against DLC per se, but the price/value is generally ridiculous.

DLC's like that are worth no more than 0.30 euros.

Up to this date, I fail to find any DLC that was correctly priced. Except maybe the two excellent ones for GTA4.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Berplars on February 25, 2012, 03:23:40 pm
Those things make me wait for a Ultimate/Complete/Deluxe/whatsoever Edition, since i share the opinion about the first day free for some people DLC.
Also the later Version are often more costeffective then buying the DLCs one by one, so i can wait.

And due to that no DLC from Bioware that i got in these Complete Edition was ever worth the amount of money. I actually have never ever seen a DLC being worth its money, compared to the main game.
So i have never bought one besides from the All in One Editions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on February 25, 2012, 03:55:54 pm
They're trying to be like Activision more and more which is prompting a lot of people to opt out of buying Mass Effect 3 at the moment. Hopefully it'll stick for release so they will take notice but probably not as always with all the weak individuals. :twisted:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on February 25, 2012, 07:02:19 pm
I've only ever bought one bit of DLC for a game EVER. I never touch the stuff usually. I won't be with ME3 either.

Tbh the guy on that vid was kicking up a massive fuss. None of us even knows what the extra storyline will be. There's nothing to say that it will be so uberly awesomely important as he makes out.

Needless to say, DLC, particularly first day DLC, is stupid though. Just an excuse to charge gamers far more. I miss the days of good expansion packs that were essentially an entire new game, or just extra content included in patches.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 25, 2012, 07:07:12 pm
The only DLC I purchased was for Deus Ex: Human Revolution, or Borderlands, and that was because I felt it had actual impact on my game for the price, and not "Pay ten bucks for a side quest (Dragon Age 2). Turn in 5 bucks of gamer tokens for two new horse skins (Oblivion)."

I prefer expansion pack DLC like Borderlands did, not "Release an unfinished game and make you pay to finish it" like DA2 did.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on February 25, 2012, 07:28:17 pm
Yeah, I already preordered the collecto's edition, and finding out that you'll be able to just buy the special mission as DLC somewhat ticks me off, but I love ME universe, so I'll continue to give them $80
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mtemtko on February 25, 2012, 07:28:52 pm
err vietnam DLC for BFBC2, how much was it again? all i remember is i didnt regret it one bit
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on February 25, 2012, 08:30:18 pm
Any DLC that is made AFTER the release date is fine, it is the issue of creating this type of DLC for sale at launch meaning they're purposely keeping (important) parts of the game from people at the get-go. Now whether those parts play into the main story or not isn't really an argument, the character it self is a Prothean, just listening to its dialogue would be reason enough in it self.

Obviously the DLC with the Prothean is going to be really interesting, probably epic, because hey, people need to buy it extra PLUS its a friggin' Prothean, of course they're going to make something amazing, it isn't just some random human or race. Just wait and see until after release, the only other option would be that they're then purposely releasing a bad DLC, and why would they do that..

Quote from: Mass Effect Wiki
The Protheans are an extinct alien race which mysteriously vanished over 50,000 years ago. The only known space-faring species of their time, the Protheans arose from a single planet and developed an immense galaxy-wide empire. Not much is known about them, but many of their artifacts, ruins and technology have apparently survived the ages.

[...]

In addition to the technology they left behind, the Protheans left a greater influence through their in-depth study of other races. Their work has had the greatest impact on humans and the hanar. In humanity's case, the discovery of Prothean ruins on Mars, which were home to a small data cache, introduced humans to element zero and eventually revealed the location of the Charon Relay. A Prothean ruin on Eletania can also yield an ancient recording from a Prothean data recorder that was implanted into a Cro-Magnon human.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prothean (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prothean)

So, combined, we have:The choice shouldn't really be hard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Fasader on February 26, 2012, 05:25:46 pm
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This is what I do to games made/published by companies that support ACTA/SOPA/PIPA.

Arrrrrrrrrr!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Xant on February 26, 2012, 06:43:00 pm
insightful as ever
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Loar Avel on February 26, 2012, 09:13:47 pm
I have play the demo.


Enjoyed the single player mode, still a little scared about "Much more action than ME2! Much less Role playing! You can even play the game without discussion choice!"
And the beginning is a little strange too... (What? Alliance take MY ship? I'm a spectre! they don't have the authority for that!)

Played the multilayer mode too and...  Man, if I want to fight endless wave of brainless opponent in coop, I will play a zombie game like Killing floor.  It was sooo boring, and their system buy random pack for your character just smell like "If we don't made this, you will clear the multiplayer mode in just one week"
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Siiem on February 26, 2012, 11:34:45 pm
Enjoyed the single player mode, still a little scared about "Much more action than ME2! Much less Role playing! You can even play the game without discussion choice!"

In defence this is the different modes you can choose from, either "action, roleplaying or story" if you choose roleplaying you get a game that is closer to ME1. Action = gears of war and story = Oprah.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ulfardarri on February 27, 2012, 03:38:34 am
Very good demo multiplayer is awesome cant wait
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Jacko on February 27, 2012, 08:15:39 am
I played Mass Effect 1, was okey I guess. I've installed ME2 but haven't got around to finish it. It's just Kotor in another universe with bad shooter mechanics.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on February 27, 2012, 09:04:47 am
I played Mass Effect 1, was okey I guess. I've installed ME2 but haven't got around to finish it. It's just Kotor in another universe with bad shooter mechanics.
And Kotor was amazing...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Loar Avel on February 27, 2012, 07:35:38 pm
And Kotor was amazing...

But Kotor got lightsaber!

In defence this is the different modes you can choose from, either "action, roleplaying or story" if you choose roleplaying you get a game that is closer to ME1. Action = gears of war and story = Oprah.

To be honest, the fact that we can choose between these mode is one of the cause of my fear, it's mean that the developer think that dialogue could be optional for the game, (well, they also made a mode story, with less action ^^, but I'm a pessimistic man)

The other cause are, general evolution between Me1 and Me2, trailer only insisting on the action and on "Save the earth!" (I have saved the galaxy before, just save the earth? Child play! ^^) And the fact that I've found unofficial trailer much better than the original one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8kTn_X_rKg&feature=plcp&context=C3f1d704UDOEgsToPDskIGBe5MtAx8tWIb7WsAuKDe

In fact, this trailer (the french version in fact ;)) make me wait ME3 much more than what EA give us, and this make me really scared.





Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on February 27, 2012, 10:10:30 pm
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8kTn_X_rKg&feature=plcp&context=C3f1d704UDOEgsToPDskIGBe5MtAx8tWIb7WsAuKDe

In fact, this trailer (the french version in fact ;)) make me wait ME3 much more than what EA give us, and this make me really scared.

Naa, its even more cheesier than the official versions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on March 06, 2012, 05:52:59 am
Sooooooo Mass Effect 3 drops in less than 10 minutes... :D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Tyr_ on March 06, 2012, 11:49:37 am
Mod will be dead soon       :evil: The reapers are coming :evil:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Fasader on March 07, 2012, 08:17:20 pm
lol @ "ruthless" full renegade shepard bawwing at little kid getting fried by reapership, most retarded scene ever.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on March 08, 2012, 12:00:13 am
The Prothean squad-mate is pretty amazing, how anyone could argue he isn't extremely important to the game is beyond reason. He explains so many things and adds a ton of quality to the missions as a companion.

EA/Bioware is without a shadow of doubt in the wrong to keep him from the standard retail game.

Also lots of cheese in diz game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Cyber on March 08, 2012, 02:42:11 pm
I loved both ME1 and ME2 and really enjoyed the story but i won't be buying ME3. Keeping content from players at launch and releasing day1 DLC is just BS also origin + supporting acta. Not that it matters though since 95% of consumers don't give a fuck about it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 08, 2012, 02:48:23 pm
Been playing it and I assure you, whatever your reservations about that DLC...THE GAME IS WORTH BUYING  :D

I'm about 15 hours in and been having a hellish amount of fun. I've always liked the Mass Effect series but this is really good.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: chadz on March 08, 2012, 03:06:02 pm
ME1 was actually pretty good.
ME2 took some time to get used to, but was still ok.
ME3.. what is this i don't even... the only explanation I have so far is that it automatically switched my game to the dumbed down action version when importing the ME2 char. The lack of depth is just pathetic. It is a purely linear shooter.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Xant on March 08, 2012, 03:11:33 pm
BioWare really dropped the ball with ME3. It's amazing how different BW is now.

At least the Witcher 2 enhanced edition's coming out next month.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 08, 2012, 03:13:31 pm
Which mode are you guys playing it in? I went for the RPG mode. Which is pretty much exactly the same as ME2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Siiem on March 08, 2012, 04:08:13 pm
EA and BioWare on march 1st http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SixThumbs on March 08, 2012, 04:42:07 pm
Just the fact that they made two modes for a game says to me that they're trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator of two genres now. Apparently a couple senior developers of the company have gone indie also:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/9453-Goodbye-BioWare-Hello-Indie
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 08, 2012, 04:42:43 pm
I like how they spent all that time redesigning Jack when you see her a grand total of TWO TIMES in the entire game :evil:

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EA and BioWare on march 1st http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU

That's more like me and the thousands of others downloading their crappy game the night before release.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Siiem on March 08, 2012, 05:18:50 pm
DIE.
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Elmokki on March 08, 2012, 06:01:44 pm
The ending of the game is utter shit and whoever wrote that should be shot.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on March 08, 2012, 09:14:14 pm
Supposedly there's 16 different endings:

http://www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Endings (http://www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Endings)

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Candiru on March 08, 2012, 09:17:40 pm
fssF
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Banok on March 09, 2012, 12:32:13 am
Bioware used to be either my favourite developers or in the top 3. The aquisition by EA has slowly bled them out to something different, I'm not surprised thier vets are leaving. bioware used to make quality innovative games, swtor is pherhaps the most expensive, least innovative game ever created.

me1 was amazing I bought this game on xbox and pc, worth it.

me2 felt like they pointlessly redesigned good mechanics for bad ones. was still overall enjoyable, but I'm glad I waited till way after release to play it, and pirated it with full dlc. so think i will be doing the same with me3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on March 09, 2012, 12:59:51 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIP73xIAPLU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIP73xIAPLU)  8-)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SixThumbs on March 09, 2012, 01:27:51 am
I like that it's on repeat.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Logen on March 09, 2012, 01:34:07 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wKH6T3trFuw#t=175s
If it was DAO there would've been two additional lines: "Get off my ship you goddamn bundle of sticks!" and "Get him boys, lets throw him outta the airlock!'
This dialogue wheel thingie always was godawful, and now they managed to dumb dialogues even further down by narrowing it to two options.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 09, 2012, 02:23:03 pm
lol the ending (yes, singular -- let's be honest now) is so bad. Sooo bad.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on March 09, 2012, 03:05:44 pm
If you want to know why Bioware who was once a pioneer of PC gaming is now nothing more than a husk of its former self; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QLz0CqtMVc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QLz0CqtMVc)

Excellent report.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 09, 2012, 06:14:25 pm
That video fails at making any real point  :|

Not being overly familiar with this Hepler thing it's very disconnected and not very good and he just comes across as an idiot. The lotr point made me laugh. I'm one of those who actually thinks Tolkeins writing wasn't great and I do prefer the movies. I really struggled to read the books and I read A LOT of books so I have plenty to compar to. That doesn't make me a fan boy and neither does it make her a fan girl. This guy just comes across a bit butthurt. Particularly his closing comments which were moronic.

I understand she's a scape goat for a MUCH wider issue though.

Regardless, ME3 and even Dragon Age 2 were good games. Not great games, but solid and I still enjoyed them. The issues I had with DA2 certainly had nothing to do with the story. The story in DA2 was solid and in ME3 it seems good so far (trying to ignore the criticisms of the ending). It's the gameplay that suffers, and I doubt very much that that has much to do with her (DA2 repeatable dungeons were what ruined it, ME3 boring rinse and repeat combat).

I think a lot of gamers just take things way to far.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Candiru on March 09, 2012, 07:16:40 pm
It's all about the journey, not the destination  :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SixThumbs on March 09, 2012, 07:48:24 pm
Mass Effect 3? Plus-comme mass defects 300,000,000
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 10, 2012, 06:09:44 am
Interesting ending. Last portion is very intense and well presented. Ending (at least the one I did), wasn't the best.

Game was fantastic though. Just disappointed in the ending. Looked through all the alternate endings as well to get some idea of the differences and not much changes.

My ending:
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I like how they spent all that time redesigning Jack when you see her a grand total of TWO TIMES in the entire game :evil:

I didn't even see her  :|
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 10, 2012, 07:35:48 am
Interesting ending. Last portion is very intense and well presented. Ending (at least the one I did), wasn't the best.

Game was fantastic though. Just disappointed in the ending. Looked through all the alternate endings as well to get some idea of the differences and not much changes.

My ending:
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I didn't even see her  :|

Interesting? After all that time the last 5 years you've spent BUILDING the galaxy based on your actions, all they have to offer is some half-assed deus ex machina bullshit that completely NEGATES everything up to that point with essentially "oh well gawd hits the reset button and you have the choice of red, blue, or green lights in the ending footage." Shit's a joke. Bioware blows.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ujin on March 10, 2012, 07:15:04 pm
Completed the game yesterday.

I would've forgiven it and Bioware for an almost completely linear endless shooter form they went for to finish the series, the lack of depth in this one, just because i wanted to see how the story ends, what my actions in previous games would do in this one and just because i like the universe , the characters and the " directing/camera work/cheesy epicness " (yes ,mostly even in the 3rd one).

Hell , i would've even forgiven them for the Tali stock picture, Ashley (and i don't like that character anyway) turning into a latex-covered bimbo (yay teenage audience), the ridiculously cheesy Kai Leng uber-ninja-asian assassin character and the additional costumes for some of your teammates that look almost as cheesy with those gay -ass glasses (yay teenage audience v2).

But the ending didn't just ruin the 3rd game. It ruined the whole franchise , the Mass Effect series.


Never again Bioware, never again. You've been given a second chance after Dragon Age 2 and you blew it .
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Teeth on March 10, 2012, 07:38:58 pm
Its just a shooter now. I remember using all my abilities and my squadmates abilities and pausing the game to apply them in Mass Effect 1. Combat used to be intense, tactical and challenging. Now its just a shooter, even as an adept I barely have to use any abilities. I only do it because I love seeing enemies being bounced around with biotic explosions and throw.

Theres always hordes of really weak enemies instead of a small number of challenging opponents in each stage.

Really glad though they took all the tedious stuff out. The decrypting and hacking mini games were just boring. So was the planet scanning.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SixThumbs on March 10, 2012, 08:10:08 pm
Wasn't snookie in this game or something? Shouldn't that have been a hint right there of where this was pandering?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Earthdforce on March 10, 2012, 08:32:26 pm
Wasn't snookie in this game or something? Shouldn't that have been a hint right there of where this was pandering?
Diana Allers is Jessica Chobot, not that monstrosity.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 10, 2012, 08:39:20 pm
661 pages and still rolling strong:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916/661
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vibe on March 10, 2012, 09:08:42 pm
So the ending is really that bad? I really enjoyed ME1 and ME2 for the story, but from what Bioware has been shitting out lately (DA2, SWTOR) I can only imagine this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 10, 2012, 09:14:28 pm
It's god awful. Completely stupid and a ruination of the entire series. It gives 0 closure and leaves you with more questions than they actually answered. Lots of people have commented saying that if it's got the bioware message boards united in one cause (to put pressure on bioware to make a proper ending) then they really must have screwed up. As usually they are at each others throats.

There's a poll going with over 10000 votes for a new ending. That's impressive considering it's been less than a week and it's the bioware forum.

When people are theorising that the ending is infact Shepards hallucinations and it's a clever marketing ploy by bioware so they can make another game (or a shit ton of DLC), then it's gotta be bad. And that's no joke, this theory is actually very heavily discussed. Fact is they said over and over that the ending would give full closure to the story, you would have multiple options that would be dependent on both your ME1 and ME2 gameplay and this would be the final one is complete bull. It gives no closure and despite there being 16 (slightly) different endings, all of them end in essentially the same result.

The game itself is fantastic as is the story...the entire trilogy is just ruined by the last 10mins which completely negates everything you have ever done for 3 games and potentially over 120 hours of gameplay.

As shown accurately here:
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Someone put it concisely:
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Mass Effect isn't anything like other games where you're just a player/viewer.

Shepard's story is our story as much as it is Bioware's. These endings comes down to whatever you do, Shepard is screwed, the crew is screwed, and so is the galaxy. Our choices didn't matter.

http://www.ign.com/blogs/goldenadamas/2012/03/09/how-mass-effect-3-free-additional-dlc-endings-can-redeem-the-trilogy/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 11, 2012, 05:20:03 am
Epic spoiler alert so do not go near it if you don't want to know full details. In fact...only open that spoiler if you've finished the game.

BUT...ME3 community managers have been quoted as saying that the community reaction is a result of people not picking up the full details and that we don't have all the facts. Basically if we did, the ending would make sense. Suggesting there's either the possibility of DLC to explain it, or we need to pick up the hints in a replay.

Then someone posted this:
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Now this may seem a bit whacky...but all those little plot holes and issues that made little sense in the ending are picked up and put back together if this is true. It's generating a huge amount of discussion on the bioware forums.

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Basically...if any of this is true it means Bioware are incredibly crafty buggers/the greatest trolls in the history of video gaming. It's a line Bioware have taken many times in the past, subtle hints in the gameplay leading to the greater ending. They could have simply taken it to a new level. Regardless, it means there could be some extensive DLC.

The more and more that comes out of this, the more likely this seems. There are so many hints throughout the game that it's almost laughable. It's something Bioware have ALWAYS done in their games. Subtle hints to the final story that most people don't pick up until later examination.

From Mac Walters...the lead writer:

Mac Walters
Me too. RT "@chrisnavis: @macwalterslives Really looking forward to the future of the Mass Effect franchise after the #ME3 endings."

There's now theorising that they witheld the ending so they could release it after the full release in all regions, in order to stop the true ending being leaked. Basically they want to go out with a bang. Certainly everything currently hints at it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 11, 2012, 08:26:16 am
So basically you're saying that they want everyone to pay another $10 for them to fix their shitty story because they pretty much HAVE TO after the overwhelming backlash they've gotten about it and at the end they can say "we obviously had this planned all a long." In any case, that all that sounds more like ridiculously contrived fanboyism than anything else really. I admit that it's kind of fun to entertain though.

It makes perfect sense that "control" is paragon blue and "destroy" is renegade. That's the entire point. The Illusive Man's solution is the most logically sound in a utilitarian perspective. The end justifies the means. By choosing this, Shepard would be making the ultimate sacrifice to obtain everything he's been fighting for -- he would be sacrificing his life, morality, and honor in order to preserve the current cycle. Life despite its faults. By choosing "destroy," he would instantly be committing genocide and killing friends and allies in the process. It's the exact same with the Salarians and Quarians. Despite them being on the "good" side, it would be completely fitting for them to be "renegade" if they had their way with the Krogans and Geth. The irony of the Illusive Man "being right this entire time," as Shepard puts it, is analogous to pretty much everything the story is about. Even the Reapers have noble intentions (preserving civilizations through harvest so that the universe resets before the population destroys itself and ruins it for future generations -- which is pretty much the exact same story as Final Fantasy X).

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Logen on March 11, 2012, 09:23:35 am
he would be sacrificing his life
Doesnt he continue to exist in some form in that ending?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: chadz on March 11, 2012, 10:33:22 am
...

I suppose you are being sarcastic. I have never ever before seen someone clutching at straws like this. You are simply converting plot holes into a full fletched game studio conspiracy theory.

So I just finished the game, and of course it's not all bad. If it were standalone, with no predecessors to live up to, it would have been ok-ish.

But here is the problem: you can clearly see that it's the last episode of a trilogy. you can see the financial decisions in the background so obviously it hurts.
- complex dialogs. cut down to 2 choices, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- amount of different skills. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- amount of decisions that change the gameplay. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- mini games / side quests. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- decisions affecting the endings. Maybe it's Hey we now make a genious ending to this game. However, we cover it up entirely and let the player dream a shit ending. We can then laugh at all the stupid guys who don't get it. And eventually we release the REAL ENDING for free just to show everyone that they were wrong!
or maybe it was more like
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It's a perfectly rational decision. It's a trilogy, they don't give a fuck if you liked the last one or not. The cash cow has come to an end. Also, I don't think it's bioware to blame here (fully), they are controlled by EA, and EA says cut spendings while keeping income stable. Perfectly rational. Although they probably didn't expect a backfire like this.

(And apart from that, the only ending I can think of that's worse than the current one [whatever color], is the most cliche one: IT WAS ALL A DREAM! WHAT YOU SAW HAD AS MUCH MEANING AS ANY FANFIC! It's completely open what really happened! For all you know, you could be the boy in a school class in london in 2012 that fell asleep durig physics class and made up ME1-ME3 in his head! Just provide a schoolbell sound at the end via 10$ DLC and we're set!)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Paul on March 11, 2012, 10:40:19 am
I guess I'm about the only one who kinda liked the Monkey Island 2 ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 11, 2012, 10:43:12 am
Doesnt he continue to exist in some form in that ending?

Well I was referring to his life as the life as he knows it now..
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ujin on March 11, 2012, 11:02:51 am
original ending written by the ex lead  writer Drew Karpyshyn.

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/somethingawful-the-plot-of-me3-changed-dramatically-big-big-spoilers.250066288/ .

Reasons for it being substituted are unknown, supposedly the script getting leaked by hackers before the game came out could be one of them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 11, 2012, 01:00:40 pm
...

Well if the writers are saying we don't have all the facts yet (in terms of people that dislike the ending...aka 15000 people at least simply on the forums poll), then it all just doesn't fit right. The community manager also has said it's a hallucination on twitter. And she'll have been bloody briefed on this already.

Tbh releasing some DLC, which MANY people have already said they'd be willing to pay out their arse for would extend the cash cow even further. It's one of the most successful video game franchises ever made. Do you really think they would just stop? Sure they said it would be a trilogy...but that doesn't mean fuck all when it comes to games. Besides I wouldn't at all be surprised if they witheld the ending simply to screw over people who pirated the game ect. Particularly as the ME script has been leaked several times in the past.

Regardless this view has gotten a ton of discussion. 50 pages in less than 12 hours:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/73

It is clutching at straws...but I'd rather hold out for a better ending than the one they gave us. They leave Shepard breathing in the bloody rubble for god's sake!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: BlameMeForTheNoise on March 11, 2012, 01:18:38 pm
I'm so glad i didnt buy this game now...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 11, 2012, 04:46:42 pm
Michael Gamble
Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

That was tweeted from the producer of Mass Effect franchise on the EU release day (after NA had already been complaining about the endings for a while).

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on March 11, 2012, 09:00:06 pm
Well, the ending was quite  ... unsatisfying.
Anyway, i am still alive and that is what counts.

Here the ME Mala, unfortunately i had to recreate the face.
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And here from the last minutes.
"Ouch, i am not feeling so well. Bloody overpowered archers." :P
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vibe on March 11, 2012, 10:01:49 pm
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Problem is not just with Mass Effect 3, but with every game EA vomits lately. Dragon Age 2 was in my opinion horrible at best, story dull and you spent the entire game going through the same zones (be it the city or some "random" cave that looked just like the previous one).
SWTOR was a disaster and was pushed out by EA way way WAY too early to catch Christmas sales. The amount of gamebreaking bugs that game had at release (and even more than 2 months after release) is saddening. The game needed atleast 6 more months of work.

I don't know how much is Bioware's fault and how much EA's, but one thing is sure:
EA is just one big greed machine and they are not even trying to cover that image up anymore. I just hope more people slap them in the face and pirate their games.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Candiru on March 11, 2012, 10:35:30 pm
Just finished it. The end was not good at all. Would be nice to see some more of what happened. The game was still a very nice experience considering I've never played Mass Effect before :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 11, 2012, 10:51:04 pm
Michael Gamble
Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

That was tweeted from the producer of Mass Effect franchise on the EU release day (after NA had already been complaining about the endings for a while).

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He is also quoted to saying that Bioware would not do a "Lost" ending where you're left with more questions than answers so right off the bat he's full of shit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Candiru on March 11, 2012, 11:02:30 pm
When he speaks to that little boy in the end "It's getting late but okay, one more story"

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Loar Avel on March 12, 2012, 07:50:43 am
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Wookimonsta on March 12, 2012, 11:19:04 am
GRAAR! ME MAD! EA BAD! EA TAKE MONEY AND NOT MAKE GOOD MASS EFFECT GAME!

seriously though, i had fun with the rest of the game, and if this whole "hallucination conspiracy" is on to something, Bioware becomes the god of rpgs

also
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Fasader on March 12, 2012, 06:23:50 pm
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Leshma on March 12, 2012, 07:03:44 pm
This game sounds like a big deal.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on March 12, 2012, 07:07:58 pm
Well, it is quite nice for a story "rpg" only the end is a "bit" wierd .
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 13, 2012, 06:38:51 am
seriously though, i had fun with the rest of the game, and if this whole "hallucination conspiracy" is on to something, Bioware becomes the god of rpgs

You become "gods of rpgs" by releasing a game with a completely shit ending and make everyone pay for the "real" ending months later?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 13, 2012, 12:07:31 pm
Depends how they do it. I'll bet they do pay, seeing as they must know a lot of people would be willing to. But there are also suggestions that they kept the ending back till the game has been fully released (doesn't release in Asia till 15th), partly due to the fact the storyline was previously leaked (several times) and it'll be a free dl. Particularly as all the devs/writers are insisting they can't say anything until it's reached full release.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Darkoveride on March 13, 2012, 02:01:51 pm
I liked the ending. its that element of thinking after 3 games you had the whole thing figured out, in comes god child screws you over with adding another layer of complexness.
It bieng left on a cliffhanger is no different from fallout 3, and as many have speculated and im inclined to agree was the entire end sequence is shepard fighting against reaper indoctrination (subtle hints about that).

Everything will be made clear in dlc im sure and i know alot of people will rage about that but its nice to get meaningful dlc for a change.

GK wisdom speaking hear listen to it closely.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 14, 2012, 02:55:02 pm
This should be required reading. This article outlines people's complaints perfectly and in a fairly objective manner. Not the 'me3 fans are spoilt brats' spiel that IGN has been spitting out.

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Darkoveride on March 14, 2012, 06:27:37 pm
meh article everyones thinking in black and white in relation to the ending, look closer there are subtle hints that suggest that the ending is false, watch the ending sequence starting from when you get knocked down. there are also other hints throughout the game. im damn near 99.9 % sure that the ending is a case of indoctrination.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mala on March 14, 2012, 07:35:43 pm
Then i still miss the "You have failed" screen.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 15, 2012, 01:01:49 am
False or not, it's a complete farce and a waste of people's time either way. It should have ended as Shepard pushes the console to open up the citadel, followed by an end cinematic and some epilogue text describing the outcome of your decisions ala Dragon Age. As it is now it's either "thx for playing, sux d00d" or "lol you have to wait for the DLC in the coming months."

There was not nearly enough Jack in this game to justify all this bullshit.
Title: Re: ME3 Deleted Ending Scene
Post by: Nessaj on March 15, 2012, 09:51:48 pm
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http://www.me3finalhours.com/ (http://www.me3finalhours.com/)

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The real story behind the Mass Effect saga is finally revealed!

Geoff Keighley (host of Spike’s GTTV) takes you inside BioWare to meet the team behind Mass Effect including director Casey Hudson. Meet the people behind this legendary game franchise and discover the untold stories about its creation over the past 9 years. The 15,000 word feature story is accompanied by extensive interactive features, video interviews with Hudson and lead writer Mac Walters, never-before-seen art and details that will get every Mass Effect fan talking.

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No doubt they'll go for the Indoctrination route as an explanation for the ending, why else delete this scene unless it didn't happen.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 16, 2012, 04:08:46 am
- complex dialogs. cut down to 2 choices, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.

 :cry:

I... But that is the reason why I loved ME1 and ME2...

Someone say chadz is exaggerating, please  :cry:

Piffle sniffle...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GreasySausageSandwhich on March 16, 2012, 07:27:31 am
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I think there be DLC a-comin'.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Wookimonsta on March 16, 2012, 02:14:11 pm
GODDAMIT PENNY ARCADE

the guys from penny arcade know some of the devs from Bioware and spoiled the fucking ending
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on March 17, 2012, 01:14:48 am
Spoilering just in case someone doesn't want to read the ending.
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 17, 2012, 03:47:14 am
Big but worth it.

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O and more importantly:

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There’s been a lot of discussion and debate about the conclusion of Mass Effect 3, so I thought I’d share my  perspective with you here. I’ll avoid outright spoilers, but I’d still recommend finishing the game and experiencing it for yourself before reading this. 

For the last eight years, Mass Effect  has been a labor of love for our team; love for the characters we’ve created, for the medium of video games, and for the fans that have supported us.  For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made as a player since the journey began in 2007. So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of your actions.  You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey.

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way.  Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.

We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcade calling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received.   

But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series.

I am extremely proud of what this team has accomplished, from the first art concepts for the Mass Effect universe to the final moments of Mass Effect 3.  But we didn't do it on our own.  Over the course of the series, Mass Effect has been a shared experience between the development team and our fans—not just a shared experience in playing the games, but in designing and developing them.  An outpouring of love for Garrus and Tali led to their inclusion as love interests in Mass Effect 2.  A request for deeper RPG systems led to key design changes in Mass Effect 3.  Your feedback has always mattered.  Mass Effect is a collaboration between developers and players, and we continue to listen.

So where do we go from here? Throughout the next year, we will support Mass Effect 3 by working on new  content.  And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard. 

We look forward to your continued support and involvement as we work together to shape the remaining experiences in the story of the Mass Effect trilogy.

Thanks for taking this journey with us.
 
Casey Hudson

So basically he doesn't really say anything.

Funny...it's reached full release and now the Japanese fans have added their concerns over the ending. I wonder how long they can deflect the issue.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 17, 2012, 07:15:59 am
I suppose you are being sarcastic. I have never ever before seen someone clutching at straws like this. You are simply converting plot holes into a full fletched game studio conspiracy theory.

So I just finished the game, and of course it's not all bad. If it were standalone, with no predecessors to live up to, it would have been ok-ish.

But here is the problem: you can clearly see that it's the last episode of a trilogy. you can see the financial decisions in the background so obviously it hurts.
- complex dialogs. cut down to 2 choices, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- amount of different skills. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- amount of decisions that change the gameplay. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- mini games / side quests. cut down, because it's cheaper, and won't affect sales numbers drastically.
- decisions affecting the endings. Maybe it's Hey we now make a genious ending to this game. However, we cover it up entirely and let the player dream a shit ending. We can then laugh at all the stupid guys who don't get it. And eventually we release the REAL ENDING for free just to show everyone that they were wrong!
or maybe it was more like
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It's a perfectly rational decision. It's a trilogy, they don't give a fuck if you liked the last one or not. The cash cow has come to an end. Also, I don't think it's bioware to blame here (fully), they are controlled by EA, and EA says cut spendings while keeping income stable. Perfectly rational. Although they probably didn't expect a backfire like this.

(And apart from that, the only ending I can think of that's worse than the current one [whatever color], is the most cliche one: IT WAS ALL A DREAM! WHAT YOU SAW HAD AS MUCH MEANING AS ANY FANFIC! It's completely open what really happened! For all you know, you could be the boy in a school class in london in 2012 that fell asleep durig physics class and made up ME1-ME3 in his head! Just provide a schoolbell sound at the end via 10$ DLC and we're set!)

The worst Indian Jones film made the most money. The forth one. Once you know an enterprise like this is going to end you really don't have to try. Games and movies have 1 major thing in common, nearly all the money you make on AAA films/titles comes in the first 1-2 weeks. After that its a dribble of cash that no one cares about.

Basically the first game needs to be good and if possible the second one needs to be great and then you just don't have to give a shit about the third. Valve seem to be one of the few big companies bucking that trend but then again its been a fucking long time between drinks. ie where is my third fucking episode you fucking FUCKS!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Darkkarma on March 19, 2012, 06:38:44 am
So long as we are speculating towards the endings and what they meant.


] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYgr1rqEec&feature=endscreen&NR=1] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYgr1rqEec&feature=endscreen&NR=1)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Loar Avel on March 19, 2012, 09:50:28 pm
A good laugh about the ME3 ending

the name of the video is
Mass Effect 3 - Ending Movie Comparison - All the Colors

If you don't want to be spoiled, don't watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ujin on March 20, 2012, 03:16:01 pm
dont watch if you dont wanna see spoilers.



best indoctrination theory videos out there :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on March 21, 2012, 10:45:13 pm
Creator of Lost on Mass Effect 3 ending:

http://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/182263625082355712 (http://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/182263625082355712)



Added:

http://blog.bioware.com/ (http://blog.bioware.com/)

Quote
To Mass Effect 3 players, from Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder of BioWare

Posted on March 21, 2012 by darklarke

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

I believe passionately that games are an art form, and that the power of our medium flows from our audience, who are deeply involved in how the story unfolds, and who have the uncontested right to provide constructive criticism. At the same time, I also believe in and support the artistic choices made by the development team.  The team and I have been thinking hard about how to best address the comments on ME3’s endings from players, while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the game.

Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it.  The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. This is an issue we care about deeply, and we will respond to it in a fair and timely way. We’re already working hard to do that.

To that end, since the game launched, the team has been poring over everything they can find about reactions to the game – industry press, forums, Facebook, and Twitter, just to name a few. The Mass Effect team, like other teams across the BioWare Label within EA, consists of passionate people who work hard for the love of creating experiences that excite and delight our fans.  I’m honored to work with them because they have the courage and strength to respond to constructive feedback.

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

The reaction to the release of Mass Effect 3 has been unprecedented. On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback.  As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.

Thank you for your feedback – we are listening.

Ray
Posted in BioWare
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Logen on March 21, 2012, 10:55:08 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kafein on March 21, 2012, 11:31:51 pm
= *Points at meaningless ratings and critics instead of addressing the problem*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Tyr_ on March 22, 2012, 01:02:47 am
"that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations"
Ordering a double cheeseburger in McDonalds and receiving a normal cheeseburger is not "up to my expectations". This is like ordering a steak and receiving a bowl of salad
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 22, 2012, 01:21:22 am
Quote
Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey.

So all the fanboy "indoctrination" theories are false :lol:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Loar Avel on March 22, 2012, 07:50:22 am
Bilwit, I don't see anything in your quote saying that the fanboy "indoctrination" theories are false.


Just see 'OH fuck, FAN are really mad a us, we will make another ending on a new DLC... 10 buck only'



I'm also reading 'fuck critic say we're good and ME3 is a good game, they can't be wrong! Even if our fan are waiting for us with rope, tar and feather'
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 22, 2012, 08:37:28 am

Just see 'OH fuck, FAN are really mad a us, we will make another ending on a new DLC... 10 buck only'


.. new content based on fan/critic feedback. That's admitting that they didn't have it all worked out beforehand.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on March 23, 2012, 07:22:06 pm
More infoz for all the lazy ME3 fans hiding in here.


Eminem hates Mass Effect 3 ending:

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A couple of more interesting things:

http://geek.pikimal.com/2012/03/22/controversy-erupts-over-mass-effect-3-writers-forum-post-name-release/
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/ (read this)

Penny Arcade, who is campaigning for Bioware's ending also shut down the Children's Charity the Retake Mass Effect 3 crowd had started:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/23/why-childs-play-stopped-taking-donations-from-retake-mass-effect/

The reasoning behind it (via Twitter (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10496260/1)):

Quote from: Twitter
@TheFroats:
@cwgabriel @TychoBrahe We say, here, free money to go buy sick children toys...and you say NO??? Have you guys lost your God Damned MINDS?

@TheFroats:
@cwgabriel @TychoBrahe CP used to be about helping kids and combating negative gamer stereotypes. What changed? You forgot your mission.

@cwgabriel:
@TheFroats I don't know what to tell you man. If you read what Jamie said and still think that way I'm sorry.

@TheFroats
I did and I do. If someone says "Support child's play if you like Kiddie Porn", shut that down, totally. But a blanket policy?

@cwgabriel:
@TheFroats Child's Play is not a tool to draw attention to your cause. Child's Play is the cause. That's our feeling on it.

@TheFroats
@cwgabriel It was not a tool to draw attention. It was a tool to fight a negative stereotype...which is why you guys created it, remember?

@cwgabriel:
@TheFroats it's not your tool to fight your negative stereotype. you can not use the charity as a shield.

@TheFroats
@cwgabriel It was a tool to fight "our" negative stereotype...the one you created the charity to fight. Gamers. Not ME3 detractors. Gamers.

@TheFroats
@cwgabriel Maybe I can't change your mind. But you were one of the good guys...and you broke my heart tonight. We wanted to help and we did.

@cwgabriel
@TheFroats I'm sorry man. I hope me taking the time to talk with you about it at least shows you that I care about it.

@TheFroats
@cwgabriel I don't doubt you care, I doubt that you're making the right call. Who's helping the kids, who's hurting them? Thx for your time.

It it also worth to mention that Penny Arcade has an Expo - PAX - where game developers and publishers attend. They're not just some website without commitments/big-business involved. This incident even conforms that belief more, they have insiders posting secrets on their forum for then to delete it later, allowing only select few or close friends at Penny Arcade gain their insight.

Personally I think it is rather disgusting that they (PA) would rather stop a Children's Charity because of association than just let the children be helped. If you look at every other help/donation organization out there which receives donations there are always millions of fund raisers in which a specific group of people with specific ideals raise funds. Not to mention as the person on Twitter says, if anything the essence of the Retake Mass Effect movement is to turn negativity and disapproval into something positive.

Retake Mass Effect 3's Children's Charity gathered 80000$ in 9 days. Yes NINE DAYS. Pretty amazing if you ask me.


The most interesting is of course the forum posting by one of Bioware's writers, apparently he has a reputation for posting tidbits on the Penny Arcade forums for then to delete the posts an hour later. He basically slammed the ending of Mass Effect 3 putting all the blame on the Lead Director Casey and Lead Writer Mac:

(click to show/hide)

Screenshot of the forum posts before they were deleted here (http://i.imgur.com/rP7TD.jpg).

Bioware have been out denying this stating that it wasn't the writer who posted it. I personally do not believe that statement unless they come out and say the writer had his forum account hacked and even so I would want irrefutable proof from Penny Arcade.

Anyway, interesting stuff imo, so much intrigue! :twisted:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 23, 2012, 09:04:01 pm
I was actually fine with the Reaper motive and Shepard dying as well, it's just how the ending unfolded and what was presented after that was total garbage and reeked of contrived drama/ambiguity. An ending where Shepard hits the console and a resulting cinematic followed by splash screens with text descriptions of the result of all your choices and what happened to your squadmates ala Dragon Age would have been perfect.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on March 23, 2012, 10:54:36 pm
More interesting is the major debate that is now on about how detached critics reviews are from fan opinions reflected by the fact that it's rare for big name games to receive less than 8/10 on most reviews. Forbes (ironically also the only website that has consistently written on the ME3 endings objectively unlike IGN/Gamefront ect) has quite a good article on the matter:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/23/do-positive-mass-effect-3-reviews-reveal-a-conflict-of-interest-in-gaming-journalism/

Bioware have been out denying this stating that it wasn't the writer who posted it. I personally do not believe that statement unless they come out and say the writer had his forum account hacked and even so I would want irrefutable proof from Penny Arcade.

It's worth saying that the writer himself out right denied it, not bioware. But tbh he'd be stupid not to. If that post is real and he admitted it he'd be pretty quickly out of the job.

I think PAX will be where the announcements will occur. A gaming panel is a good place to do it. If Bioware don't come out with something during PAX they'll be ripped to shreds. Unless of course there's a lot of pandering towards them.

As for pennyarcade. There's A LOT of anger against them from most gaming communities, especially now with the ME3 stuff. They've lost a lot of credibility by taking the stance they have. As have IGN and a few others. Their constant slagging off of ME3 fans as entitled, whining brats (yes quite a few of these websites actually said this) has just cemented them as to detached from the gaming community.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on March 25, 2012, 07:58:11 am
Indoctrination fanboys' dreams are crushed.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ujin on March 25, 2012, 10:11:41 pm
Indoctrination fanboys' dreams are crushed.

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Alright then. To conclude , we have an :

Incredibly god aweful ending

of an average game

that managed to ruin one of the best series in the history of videogames

and might as well just destroyed the reputation of a once glorious game developing company which used to set standarts for crpg's back in the days



Well plaid , well plaid indeed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: SixThumbs on March 26, 2012, 02:05:31 am
Courtesy of google search of "well plaid"
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I only played the first one on release and it wasn't good enough for me to remember any of the story except for a back-stab, squid ship turning people into zombies and circling around some guy for 3-4 minutes as a final boss battle. Also that bioware likes to screw me out of "achievements" for not picking an extreme personality for a character.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vibe on March 28, 2012, 08:53:02 am
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on March 28, 2012, 09:14:49 am
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Heh, looking at that picture, so much creativity, so much innovation, all ruined, that's quite sad.

Think of what games stood for back then, how innovative and creative they were, how the solutions presented often made you think outside-the-box. Do we see that anymore today? No. 98% of all games are trying to mimic the shallow Hollywood style. The Mass Effect series is a good example, the quality of the series lessened over the years but in terms of technology it improved, better controls and so on, however in terms of creativity, innovation, thinking outside-the-box, all that went away in favor of Hollywood production ideals.

It would seem that gaming is already hijacked by Hollywood wannabes but hopefully it isn't too late, as we see with all the player-funded projects (The Gaming Spring!).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Tigero on March 28, 2012, 08:18:00 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wisHcuBzTCM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wisHcuBzTCM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeRk1YFn8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeRk1YFn8s)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Wookimonsta on March 30, 2012, 11:44:26 am
this:
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vibe on April 06, 2012, 08:39:54 am
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/04/04/ea-is-the-worst-company-in-america-now-what/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/04/04/ea-is-the-worst-company-in-america-now-what/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/04/04/ea-is-the-worst-company-in-america-now-what/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/04/04/ea-is-the-worst-company-in-america-now-what/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/04/04/ea-is-the-worst-company-in-america-now-what/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: chadz on April 06, 2012, 09:28:21 am
The sad thing is this has more to do with the fact that christian homophobes have been hating mass effect for the implementation of gay relationships, rather than EA just being an ignorant bitch.

But still, well deserved #1, congratulations.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on April 06, 2012, 12:10:47 pm
O btw:

Quote
An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans. For many of you the "Extended Cut" will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. Oh and it's at no cost to you - the fan.

Here is a mini FAQ to help you understand what the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut is and isn't:

What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey.


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.


What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.


When will the Extended Cut DLC be available?
Currently the Extended Cut DLC is planned for this summer, no specific date has been announced at this point.


Why are you releasing the Extended Cut DLC?
Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3. The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional context and answers to the end of Commander Shepard's story.


So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vibe on April 06, 2012, 12:20:54 pm
Quote
Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3. The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional context and answers to the end of Commander Shepard's story.

Lol, no way no how they'll admit they fucked up the game, eh?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on April 06, 2012, 12:22:51 pm
Lol, no way no how they'll admit they fucked up the game, eh?

Course not, it would be bad business strategy  :P

There's a lot of arguments about how ME3 can't really be considered art as well so Bioware can basically shove their artistic integrity up their arse.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Nessaj on April 06, 2012, 12:48:06 pm
Dark days ahead for EA and Bioware.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bilwit on April 06, 2012, 01:00:19 pm
Quote
EA continues to push the bounds of what’s acceptable to gamers, and their winning this poll is an indicator they’ve gone too far. But the next marker must be a decrease in sales, or else all the rage is for nothing.

Everyone bitches about their games but they keep buying them. Gamers are that stupid. Look at the Madden NFL franchise: it's a complete joke that they put out essentially the same game year after year with the same bugs and shuffling of new/old features and everyone who plays whines about it, but they're still the ones that will be buying it the very next year. EA doesn't care about bad press or feedback because they know that people are dumb enough to keep paying. Everyone bitching about Mass Effect will still buy the DLC, thus proving this correct. They know exactly what they're doing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Vibe on April 06, 2012, 01:15:50 pm
Everyone bitches about their games but they keep buying them. Gamers are that stupid. Look at the Madden NFL franchise: it's a complete joke that they put out essentially the same game year after year with the same bugs and shuffling of new/old features and everyone who plays whines about it, but they're still the ones that will be buying it the very next year. EA doesn't care about bad press or feedback because they know that people are dumb enough to keep paying. Everyone bitching about Mass Effect will still buy the DLC, thus proving this correct. They know exactly what they're doing.

Sad but true. As for me, I'm not buying EA games anymore, I'll gladly pirate any that looks decent enough to play, but they won't get a single cent out of me until they change their shit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: tyranoid on April 08, 2012, 05:05:36 am
>>2012 not pirating every single game before buying
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Overdriven on April 08, 2012, 05:17:51 am
Watch and laugh at the stupidity of these people in the crowd...the Bioware panel at Pax:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHYV4QDYcYo&context=C45a95e4ADvjVQa1PpcFPF8jd0qVTiqyAdk-W0nmDwE5OXSJvAWWQ=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq7083558a4&feature=context&context=C45a95e4ADvjVQa1PpcFPF8jd0qVTiqyAdk-W0nmDwE5OXSJvAWWQ=

I didn't watch past the second one (there are 4) as it's pretty much just 'zomg look at what an awesome job we did' mixed with stumbling questions which were obviously planted and chosen specifically for their ease. But to sum up this is what it entailed:

- Sweetening the crowd for a few minutes with some 'banter'
- Announcement of standard multiplayer DLC (maps, characters and weapons) with a trailer. Pretty boring stuff.
- Bioware answering 'selected' questions posed earlier by the community which were piss easy for them to answer.
- Sticking by their not changing the ending policy with the usual bullshit answers.
- Insisting that the stock photo they based Tali's face on is something they do all the time. They then preceded to get the model they used for Samaras face to stand up in the crowd (she was in cosplay Samara outfit) and insist it's the same thing, even though it's obviously not.
(click to show/hide)
- Pretty much refusing to comment on the indoctrination theory
- Banging on about how ME3 required double the work of the other games and listing as many statistics as they could pull out their arses.
- Some useless questions from the crowd.

The entire thing was the expected farce and naturally there's already a lot of people pissed off over it. It just seems like they've made things worse as a result. Anyway here's an article which describes it pretty well:
http://www.reddit.com/tb/ry71d
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 08, 2012, 07:08:54 am
Bleh, a reminder of the death of one of my favorite series of all time, Populous... Bugger...

Now I am sad...

Excuse me while I fire it back up again... One of them...