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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Shaksie on January 30, 2012, 03:14:44 am
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I believe a two handed weapon like this is needed :
Shortened Poleaxe
weapon length: 114
weight: 3.5
difficulty: 16
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 114
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield
Secondary Mode
Secondary mode :
speed rating: 92 (should be same speed but other weapons have different speed for secondary weapons)
thrust damage: 26 pierce
swing damage: 28 blunt
Knockdown
Model would be the same as elegant poleaxe just shortened.
I'm not sure if other bonus v shields are the same as this, but the stab shouldn't have bonus v shield.
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You forgot to add unbalanced to the two-handed version. Every two-hander with shieldbreaking gets unbalanced.
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That is the point of it, there needs to be a semi reasonable non unbalanced two handed axe
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That is the point of it, there needs to be a semi reasonable non unbalanced two handed axe
Why?
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I do agree with you but yeah the devs. obviously don't. Can see their side of it though.
But you are never going to get the same two hander to have shieldbreaking without unbalanced, 93 speed, two handed stab with 26 pierce and decent cut dmg on the swing. No sir that is not going to happen :D
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Well some days ago i made this: http://imgur.com/a/oZHoM
Took the German Poleaxe though.
It's like 10 mins of work and could sure be polished a bit further :P
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Well some days ago i made this: http://imgur.com/a/oZHoM
Took the German Poleaxe though.
It's like 10 mins of work and could sure be polished a bit further :P
It looks good. But imagine holding that in real life. This would not be well balanced :D
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poleaxe....
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Why? Because there is a very large amount of shielders, at least on the Australian community there is and for two handers it is very inconvenient to use a slow and unbalanced weapon against shielders because they are more often than not much faster than a lumbering axe. Also, I made a few changes to it. And Meow, indeed it could :). Arkonor, obviously the head would be slightly decreased in size and the handle would be thinned down to suit the weight and length of it. It's head is not very much larger than other axes in the game and it is longer than most.
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imo unbalances weapons are more of a hold style
wait Australian oh maybe you would not know what i mean
unbalanced weapons are hard to feint with so you mostly hold your attacks with them
(like you make the enemy think your going to attack but you hold it long enough to wear they drop there block or try to attack to strike them)
have you tried this style of play?it takes some time to get use to but that is every style
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Yeah I know how to hold attacks and what it does :). But that's why they should make this weapon, to add a new bonus v shield weapon which doesn't require attack holding.
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oh i see
i was just making sure it was not just a NA term(did not want to confuse you)
(comment removed for idiocy)
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That is the point of it, there needs to be a semi reasonable non unbalanced two handed axe
I would like you to meet the fighting axe.
Fighting Axe
weapon length: 84
weight: 2
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 95
weapon length: 84
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 1
Bonus against Shield
Secondary Mode
The secondary mode is 2h. And it's balanced. Bonus against shield.
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I have used that quite a bit. It is too short and is nimble - fast and weak. There needs to be one in between heavy (unbalanced) axes and that axe.
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I've never seen any point in making all the 2h axes unbalanced and think they should be buffed since like noone uses them, but whatever.
And I'm sorry, but the model (for the German) just looks derp :P
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True. And the model would be altered to make it look normal ofc :)
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If you don't have a shield crushing weapon, just learn to hiltslash and learn to get the shielder other ways without breaking the shield. Do you want 2h animations, shieldbreaking, fast, balanced and high damage? Keep dreaming :D
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No.
If you want to be more effective against shielders, you should ahev goen polearm. Its one of the main reasons for chosing polearm weapons.
2h has a far superior Length to speed ration considering the grip positions and its easy enough to beat all but the best 1h with a small amount of footworking as 2h.
Adding a high teir, balanced 2h with Bonus against shields weapon would make most other 2h's with bonus against shields redundant.
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I just don't see why two handers have to be so ineffective versus shielders, and polearms are hardly worse than two handers without their shield crushing ability.
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weapon length: 82
weight: 3.7
difficulty: 14
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 82
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 38 pierce
slots: 2
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield
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weapon length: 82
weight: 3.7
difficulty: 14
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 82
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 38 pierce
slots: 2
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield
Tzar, don't be stupid. It's only the 2nd highest damaging weapon in the game, fast, usable on horse and eats shields for breakfast. It by no means gives 2handers a very good weapon against shielders.
Also: Great Maul (the #1 damaging weapon)
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i think mw flamberge should get bonus against shield...
it was a breakin pike wep soo why not?
(what noooooooooooooooooooo i'm not a mw spamberge owner! I just want a new balanced wep against shield)
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Tzar, don't be stupid. It's only the 2nd highest damaging weapon in the game, fast, usable on horse and eats shields for breakfast. It by no means gives 2handers a very good weapon against shielders.
Also: Great Maul (the #1 damaging weapon)
True true what was i thinking..... :mrgreen:
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Adding a high teir, balanced 2h with Bonus against shields weapon would make most other 2h's with bonus against shields redundant.
Most 2h's with bonus against shields are already redundant. Great maul or morningstar are just so much beter than any of the alternatives. I really don't see anything against adding a longer balanced 2h shield breaker. I would nerf the cut damage a bit and remove or at least severely nerf the stab. Or even just add it in around the persian war axe/bardiche area stat wise. That makes it nowhere near top tier, but still a decent (in the right hands) and hopefully fun alternative to the boring morningstar and great maul.
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Tzar, don't be stupid. It's only the 2nd highest damaging weapon in the game, fast, usable on horse and eats shields for breakfast. It by no means gives 2handers a very good weapon against shielders.
Also: Great Maul (the #1 damaging weapon)
Pretty much the whole point of this weapon is that it is NOT unbalanced. It has reasonable speed and length so it can be used like a sword which is more effective versus shielders and less against non shielders than a non bonus versus shield weapon is.
The closest thing I can find to what I am talking about is Hafted Blade versus Elegant poleaxe. They are quite similar but the hafted is better in almost every way excluding the bonus versus shield stat.
The point is bonus vs shield weapons must be played with very differently because they are unbalanced. This one would open up new options of play.
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i think mw flamberge should get bonus against shield...
it was a breakin pike wep soo why not?
(what noooooooooooooooooooo i'm not a mw spamberge owner! I just want a new balanced wep against shield)
The flame on the flamberge in real life was made to create longer and different vibration to the enemies weapon when they riposted their attacks.
But yeah obviously way more expensive to build and only really beneficial vs opponent that hadn't had training vs those.
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Pretty much the whole point of this weapon is that it is NOT unbalanced. It has reasonable speed and length so it can be used like a sword which is more effective versus shielders and less against non shielders than a non bonus versus shield weapon is.
The closest thing I can find to what I am talking about is Hafted Blade versus Elegant poleaxe. They are quite similar but the hafted is better in almost every way excluding the bonus versus shield stat.
The point is bonus vs shield weapons must be played with very differently because they are unbalanced. This one would open up new options of play.
I also want a balanced, long 1h weapon with crushthrough. It would open up new options of play.
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Actually curves on a blade are to increase strength :).
Can you read? This weapon is not overpowered. There are other weapons which are better in every way apart from the bonus vs shield. That was what my last post was about, either establish where I'm coming from or don't post stupid comments.
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I established that you're coming from AU.
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Yes?
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Actually curves on a blade are to increase strength :).
A flamberge is made by removing parts of a normal sword, so I'm not so sure about this.
Maybe if you dig up a real world example of what you're proposing for this weapon, it won't seem like such a far fetched idea. Plus, people like pictures. :P
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Better add true historical twohanded warhammer.
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(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/warhammerscomparison.jpg/)
http://www.lutel.eu/?p=productsMore&iProduct=153&sName=Two-handed-war-hammer-17016
http://www.lutel.eu/?p=productsMore&iProduct=146&sName=Two-handed-war-hammer-17010
or just make our ''Bec de Corbin'' 2H weapon. As it must be IRL.
http://www.lutel.eu/?p=productsMore&iProduct=154&sName=Two-handed-war-hammer-17017
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add pole hammer from native
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A shortened poleaxe is just an axe.
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You know, you could just... well... bring two weapons...
is that too damn hard? back when I was a two-hander I always spawned with two weapons...
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You know, you could just... well... bring two weapons...
is that too damn hard? back when I was a two-hander I always spawned with two weapons...
Psshh. Nabb. I'm a 2hander and I always bring 3 weapon!
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Two weapons is just annoying :) and no, a shortened poleaxe is not an axe. A shortened poleaxe is a poleaxe, which is shortened!
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Please pm me with changes you think should be made - to stats, model, name etc.
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Current Poleaxe is already way too short. :?
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I am with the guy. 2H are such a limited class. You have greatswords and a few unbalanced spamming weapons. Thats about it. Add more unique weapons, like something that is balanced and has a bonus against shield. Polearms have so much completely different weapons that require different fighting styles, I feel this is lacking in the 2H class.
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Indeed :). Current poleaxe is short because polearms get reach reduction when swinging, more so than two handed weapons.
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I mean its already way too short, historically speaking.
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I am with the guy. 2H are such a limited class. You have greatswords and a few unbalanced spamming weapons. Thats about it. Add more unique weapons, like something that is balanced and has a bonus against shield. Polearms have so much completely different weapons that require different fighting styles, I feel this is lacking in the 2H class.
Great Maul is definitely the best crusher out there. You also have fighting axe as a balanced shieldcutter, usable as 2h. However, I wouldn't mind a top-tier axe which is balanced and have decent stats.
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Fighting axe is much too short and is not very good for anything but shield breaking and when used in 1 hand. The shortened poleaxe would be effective versus shields and also versus non shielding targets, but less so than a non bonus versus shield weapon.
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Just make the 2h axes balanced already!
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Nahh just add this and keep the other stuff for a wider range of playstyles :)
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Just make the 2h axes balanced already!
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bahahah
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You know, I've been thinking, we need a onehit killing heat-seeking throwing lance which is thrown fast, got eternal ammo, got no difficulties, and finally auto-headshots the nearest enemy.
Just make it already.
/Thread.
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I really don't see how you people can overlook these things. It is less effective versus shields than the unbalanced weapons because they are generally faster and do more damage, but they are unbalanced and shorter. Swords are superior against non shielding targets in every way. This weapon is not overpowered.
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amazing idea!!!! next we should add the cut damage to 90c and make the weilder fly!! or maybe we can throw it and it homes in to someones head....
polearms have enough already. if anything they need a nerf, not an added weapon.
lol
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Derp. This is a two handed weapon, not a polearm. Read previous posts before you make your own criticism.