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Should Shortened Poleaxe be added?

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Yes, but not with these stats.
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Yes, but not with this model.
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2012, 10:02:51 am »
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True. And the model would be altered to make it look normal ofc :)
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 10:24:43 am »
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If you don't have a shield crushing weapon, just learn to hiltslash and learn to get the shielder other ways without breaking the shield. Do you want 2h animations, shieldbreaking, fast, balanced and high damage? Keep dreaming :D
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 11:42:32 am »
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No.

If you want to be more effective against shielders, you should ahev goen polearm.  Its one of the main reasons for chosing polearm weapons.

2h has a far superior Length to speed ration considering the grip positions and its easy enough to beat all but the best 1h with a small amount of footworking as 2h.

Adding a high teir, balanced 2h with Bonus against shields weapon would make most other 2h's with bonus against shields redundant.

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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 09:56:05 pm »
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I just don't see why two handers have to be so ineffective versus shielders, and polearms are hardly worse than two handers without their shield crushing ability.
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2012, 09:59:48 pm »
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 weapon length: 82
weight: 3.7
difficulty: 14
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 82
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 38 pierce
slots: 2
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Bonus against Shield
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 11:15:13 pm »
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 weapon length: 82
weight: 3.7
difficulty: 14
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 82
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 38 pierce
slots: 2
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield
Tzar, don't be stupid. It's only the 2nd highest damaging weapon in the game, fast, usable on horse and eats shields for breakfast. It by no means gives 2handers a very good weapon against shielders.

Also: Great Maul (the #1 damaging weapon)
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2012, 12:11:51 am »
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i think mw flamberge should get bonus against shield...
it was a breakin pike wep soo why not?

(what noooooooooooooooooooo i'm not a mw spamberge owner! I just want a new balanced wep against shield)

So the new response to ranged ragers is not "get a shield", it is "learn to chamber ranged nub!"
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2012, 12:40:45 am »
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Tzar, don't be stupid. It's only the 2nd highest damaging weapon in the game, fast, usable on horse and eats shields for breakfast. It by no means gives 2handers a very good weapon against shielders.

Also: Great Maul (the #1 damaging weapon)

True true what was i thinking.....  :mrgreen:

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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2012, 12:57:36 am »
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Adding a high teir, balanced 2h with Bonus against shields weapon would make most other 2h's with bonus against shields redundant.

Most 2h's with bonus against shields are already redundant. Great maul or morningstar are just so much beter than any of the alternatives. I really don't see anything against adding a longer balanced 2h shield breaker. I would nerf the cut damage a bit and remove or at least severely nerf the stab. Or even just add it in around the persian war axe/bardiche area stat wise. That makes it nowhere near top tier, but still a decent (in the right hands) and hopefully fun alternative to the boring morningstar and great maul.

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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2012, 06:40:39 am »
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Tzar, don't be stupid. It's only the 2nd highest damaging weapon in the game, fast, usable on horse and eats shields for breakfast. It by no means gives 2handers a very good weapon against shielders.

Also: Great Maul (the #1 damaging weapon)

Pretty much the whole point of this weapon is that it is NOT unbalanced. It has reasonable speed and length so it can be used like a sword which is more effective versus shielders and less against non shielders than a non bonus versus shield weapon is.
The closest thing I can find to what I am talking about is Hafted Blade versus Elegant poleaxe. They are quite similar but the hafted is better in almost every way excluding the bonus versus shield stat.
The point is bonus vs shield weapons must  be played with very differently because they are unbalanced. This one would open up new options of play.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2012, 06:43:44 am by Shaksie »
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2012, 08:09:26 am »
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i think mw flamberge should get bonus against shield...
it was a breakin pike wep soo why not?

(what noooooooooooooooooooo i'm not a mw spamberge owner! I just want a new balanced wep against shield)

The flame on the flamberge in real life was made to create longer and different vibration to the enemies weapon when they riposted their attacks.

But yeah obviously way more expensive to build and only really beneficial vs opponent that hadn't had training vs those.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2012, 08:11:28 am by Arkonor »

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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2012, 08:50:13 am »
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Pretty much the whole point of this weapon is that it is NOT unbalanced. It has reasonable speed and length so it can be used like a sword which is more effective versus shielders and less against non shielders than a non bonus versus shield weapon is.
The closest thing I can find to what I am talking about is Hafted Blade versus Elegant poleaxe. They are quite similar but the hafted is better in almost every way excluding the bonus versus shield stat.
The point is bonus vs shield weapons must  be played with very differently because they are unbalanced. This one would open up new options of play.

I also want a balanced, long 1h weapon with crushthrough. It would open up new options of play.

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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2012, 09:01:03 am »
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Actually curves on a blade are to increase strength :).
Can you read? This weapon is not overpowered. There are other weapons which are better in every way apart from the bonus vs shield. That was what my last post was about, either establish where I'm coming from or don't post stupid comments.
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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2012, 09:03:28 am »
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I established that you're coming from AU.

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Re: Add weapon : Shortened Poleaxe
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2012, 10:34:10 am »
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Yes?
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