I thought shield skill doesn't save you from crushthroughs.In a game where skill is king, there remains one bane to it all: crushthrough. Why?
1.) it crushes through blocks. unless you have a +3 steel shield and 10 shield, you're gonna get crushthrough spammed.
2.) if it crushes through, it knocks down too. combined, this equates to balls.You make it sound like it's guaranteed while it's something like 40%ish chance (depends on weapon, but a bit under 40% on great maul and 30% on pole version).
3.) its almost an insta kill most of the time. this is abused constantly on siege.Seriously? It's high blunt but if you wear armor you'll definitely have a second chance if you don't get knocked down.
4.) its almost always used by trolls. and trolls are gay.Also used by some players who excel at using the crappy weapons that have this feature.
In a game where skill is king
Yeah, i am for keeping the crushthrough, but only for polearms (slim sticks) and 2hand (just some light piece of metal).Or then the maul would break your wooden shield or knock you down = dead after next hit) and kill you, at least break some bones , and if we are speaking about steel shields you just can't block that kinda force with your arm and shield.
If a maul hits a shield (an heavy protection of layered wood and steel reinforcements) it should bounce off and kill the attacker.
@OP
Go somewhere else. your kind ruin this game. thanks.
Or then the maul would break your wooden shield or knock you down = dead after next hit) and kill you, at least break some bones , and if we are speaking about steel shields you just can't block that kinda force with your arm and shield.*Mala deflects your clumsy overhead attack and your weapon got stuck in the ground (stunned for 10 seconds)*
*Mala deflects your clumsy overhead attack and your weapon got stuck in the ground (stunned for 10 seconds)*I would kick u and when ur stunned i would smash your head , and i don't normally use gmaul :)
*Mala hits you critical for over 9000 damage*
*Do you want to respawn? (y)es (n)o*
You are stunned, you can not kick.i can't be stunned because i would kick you first before starting to swing my maul without being sure that it hits xP . I will not be stunned if you don't use magic 8-)
Yes ashtrays would block the great maul piss easy.I have not said blocked but deflected.
Yep, cause we all know cprg has a deflect mechanic
Warband is the game of rockpaperscissors. Archers kill 2h. 1h shielders can kill archers and have advantage over 2h(very slightly), spear kills cavalry, polearm has longer reach, 2h is faster, crushtrough weapons kill shielders etc.
Chambering.I thought you couldnt chamber a CT weapon? Or am I wrong?
I thought you couldnt chamber a CT weapon? Or am I wrong?afaik
In a game where skill is king, there remains one bane to it all: shielders. Why?In a game where skill is king, there remains one bane to it all: crushthrough. Why?
1.) it crushes through blocks. unless you have a +3 steel shield and 10 shield, you're gonna get crushthrough spammed.
2.) if it crushes through, it knocks down too. combined, this equates to balls.
3.) its almost an insta kill most of the time. this is abused constantly on siege.
4.) its almost always used by trolls. and trolls are gay.
I'm sure you can think of more good reasons, but these are reasons immediately known to me, so...VOTE DOWN CRUSHTROUGH!
-Invicti_Crudux_Cruo
P.S
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I thought you couldnt chamber a CT weapon? Or am I wrong?You can, doesn't mean it doesn't crushthrough. If you chamber and it gets crushed through you don't get the chamber swing and just get hit.
This is.. all pretty much wrong. Shielders don't really kill archers, they can defend against them. Cavalry is the true counter, along with other ranged. Shielders don't have an advantage over 2h, definitely not in cRPG. Spear kills cavalry... but what's the counter to spear, then? Polearm has longer reach than what, shielders? So does 2h. Lots of polearms also have bonus vs shield, which is the real thing here. 2h is faster than what? 1h? No. Polearms? Nope.
Not complaining, mind. Rock-paper-scissor is a retarded way of balancing.
Shielders do have an advantage over 2h, again, they shouldnt, but they do
And do i really have to explain to you what counters a spear, use your brain man, its not so hard to figure out you know, I dont have to spell out everything so oblivious -.-
2h is faster than polearms, yes, totally true, again seen it, can clearly say it.
And the bonus against shield for polearms, is still spamming a shielder to death, only shield breaks faster.
No, they really don't. It's easier to fight a decent 2hander/polearm user without a shield than with a shield. 2h/polearms have damage, reach and better animations (because a decent 2her/polearmer won't let a 1hander close enough to really abuse the fast left slash/overheads) for the medium-to-long distance range.
Yes. What counters war spear?
It's true because you "seen it"? Err, right. Well, I seen otherwise. Both are as fast, depending on the individual speed stat of the weapon.
Odd if its so much easier to fight without a shield, than why wont almost anybody do it, even when they have a chance for 1 vs 1. No archers or anything. The wont let a 1handler close thing depends on the athletics skill of the fighter and mostly 90% of fights ive seen, the shielder will get close and if he doesnt suck completely or isnt surrounded by swarms of enemies, takes a 2h out, with his shield strong enough for 3 more fights. Crushtrough is needed imo.Because pretty much everyone is bad? You can't judge what's good and what's not by what most people do. It doesn't depend on athletics, it depends on the other guy knowing the basics of kicking.
shielders, but also a 2h/polearm will do the job.Anything can kill a warspear user, obviously, it doesn't grant immortality, but how do shielders or 2h/polearms counter the weapon?
it depends on the other guy knowing the basics of kicking.
You can't judge what's good and what's not by what most people do.
Ahh, but thats where you are wrong my friend, that is the only way to judge what is good and what is not. Man I can see that myself that the sword swings way better without the shield, but apparently nobody does it. Every1 will rather use a shield, than take a shot at the directional blocking. Point proven, it is easier to fight with a shield, than without 1, cause if it was the other way around, every1 would stick their shields on their backs and 1h without it in a chance of a fair fight, but that happens very rarely. So I can judge what is good and what is not by what the majority does.It is easier to fight without a shield, unless you are facing multiple enemies - you can return attacks faster most of the time and it is easier to defend against some feints. When facing one enemy, you usually don't put it on your back for a number of reasons:
shielders, but also a 2h/polearm will do the job.With decent PS, the warspear is one of the best dueling polearms out there. It certainly isn't hard-countered by shielders, two-handers, or other polearms (nor should it be). A better player of any of those classes can kill a warspear user, but that's a player countering another player - not a weapon countering another weapon.
Honestly man, how many people have you seen pulling off a nice kick, constantly? Kicking is completely different story. When you speak of weapon countering than kicking and chambering are completely different story. The basics of kicking and chambering depends on every classes performance, they have no place in the current discussion....... :rolleyes:
I voted yes because getting killed by crushthrough is the most rage-inducing thing that can happen in c-rpg. They're not OP, but I just really really REALLY hate them.
Well the poll speaks for itself.
P.Shaha :D
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My signature never fails on these cases.
Didn't I see you running around with a great maul the other day on siege? Lobby much, koldborn? :)(click to show/hide)
Actually I'll you both of you and that Gurnisson dude
These mechanics exist for a reason, not that hard to think a bit about it and realize which one.
Although I think that weapon you use on your main is immensely gay :P
Again, I agree with you, I use the great maul from time to time as well, people need to stop whining about every little thing and just learn to deal with it. I just couldn't resist the opportunity to call you out on a post supporting your (current) weapon. Oh and just 6 alts? Talk to me when you have 17 and we'll be on the same page :P.
People tend to whine about certain mechanics/items when they see 1 or 2 members doing well with it. It's completely natural and god help us if the item balancing team / developers listen to those desperate cries.
It's amazingly easy to disable a mauler, but seems easier to whine about it on forums. :oops:
I can leave a couple of tips here for those having an hard time:Another good observation is that the deadliest maulers, are the ones in medium (loomed if possible) gear, who don't have to rely on glancing hits from enemies while spamming away. A good combo of speed + PS is priceless.(click to show/hide)
Hope this helps in anyway,
Cheers
Never try to stab a mauler? My favorite weapon is the long spear and the ashwood pike, and I beat 8/10 maulers by stabbing, lol.
SHIELDERS hide your shield on the back if 1 on 1 a mauler. The shield won't help at all, and only make you slower.Removing your shield leaves you exposed to weapon stun on held sideswings. Also, putting your shield on your back does not make you any faster.
learn to play.This is the best opinion about this thread.