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Title: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Nasturtium on January 18, 2012, 08:19:23 pm
Reddit is on strike today and offers an easy one step form to e-mail your congressman, there is also a good video on this issue if you don't know what it is. Please take 3 minutes and write your congressman or representative. http://www.reddit.com/ (http://www.reddit.com/)  /soapbox


Mods please leave this up till the end of the day, thanks

Edit: reddit up again, new link http://vimeo.com/35150174
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Muunilinst on January 18, 2012, 08:20:16 pm
whot he fuck need freedom
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Nasturtium on January 18, 2012, 08:24:03 pm
whot he fuck need freedom
What?
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 18, 2012, 09:17:37 pm
done. and i'll call my rep later today
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Nasturtium on January 18, 2012, 09:52:02 pm
done. and i'll call my rep later today

 You sir are a gentleman and a scholar
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Elmetiacos on January 18, 2012, 09:58:25 pm
Nation specific political stuff should go in the off topic section.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Nasturtium on January 18, 2012, 09:59:23 pm
Thanks sir buzzkillington, I have asked for an exception for today only since the vote is in three days.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Tzar on January 18, 2012, 10:02:59 pm
lol if this shit gets passed i hope they keep that shit out of the rest of the world

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Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Nasturtium on January 18, 2012, 10:10:31 pm
Unfortunately the rest of the world tends to follow the US' lead on stuff like this, with the notable exception of china which already has worse draconian control over the internets.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Zerran on January 18, 2012, 10:14:55 pm
Signed. Sent a letter to congress already a couple weeks ago. I've read the bill and, frankly, it disturbs me that shit like that even gets voted on, much less passed.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Angantyr on January 18, 2012, 10:18:39 pm
lol if this shit gets passed i hope they keep that shit out of the rest of the world

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There's been talk about something similar in the EU for a few years, already  :?
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Post by: Christo on January 18, 2012, 10:32:16 pm
Whoever thought this up, I'd happily send a bullet into his skull.

World is watching. Let's hope it get's stopped, it's more than just a "lol stop piracy" act..

Oh wait, if this passes, and they'll get total control of the internet overtime via EU copying US like always, will I get the Interpol knocking at my door, for typing such things?

Damnit.  :shock:
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Thovex on January 18, 2012, 11:19:23 pm
I'll be sending bombs by mail.
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Post by: Oberyn on January 18, 2012, 11:23:15 pm
Unfortunately the rest of the world tends to follow the US' lead on stuff like this, with the notable exception of china which already has worse draconian control over the internets.

Yes, I remember every single country in the world passing their own versions of the Patriot Act after being attacked by terrorists. For my opinions on this:

[22:30] <Oberyn> man why the fuck is wiki down. I have no voice over in the US, I'm not a citizen, I don't give a flying shit about your fascist attempts at regulating the net
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Nessaj on January 18, 2012, 11:26:15 pm
Stand Together: The Gaming Community vs SOPA and PIPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIbseM2ol2c&hd=1
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: LastKaze on January 18, 2012, 11:29:08 pm
Here's a petition that is also supported by Google https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/ (https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/)
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Post by: isatis on January 18, 2012, 11:30:30 pm
OUF I'm living in Canada!

...

SHIT

forgot it was George Bush copycat: Harper that was leading...

well, good luck!


(hoping that thing won't pass)

Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Jeez on January 18, 2012, 11:41:26 pm
if that shit passes the internet is dead
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Post by: Leshma on January 18, 2012, 11:45:05 pm
Nation specific political stuff should go in the off topic section.

Nation specific?

LOL

This will affect everyone.

Today, it's US law. Tomorrow it's UK law, day after that it's EU law...

Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Leshma on January 18, 2012, 11:49:52 pm
it's more than just a "lol stop piracy" act..

Of course it's not just stop piracy thing...

For those who don't believe it, I won't go into details trying to explain why. I'll just say that Microsoft is against this law so therefore it can't just be "stop piracy" act.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: LastKaze on January 19, 2012, 12:07:28 am
DOWN WITH SOPA AND PIPA!!!!
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Nehvar on January 19, 2012, 12:48:55 am
lol if this shit gets passed i hope they keep that shit out of the rest of the world

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Is that...an afro...behind that US flag?
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 19, 2012, 12:57:28 am
Yeah with Obama's "hopey-changey" logo in front.  Fuck him, he's a corporate whore.

The left looks too right.

BTW, was going to call my rep, but this was on his website:

“I am not a co-sponsor of this bill, and do not support the legislation because it fails to maintain the freedom of expression provided by the Constitution and infringes on our liberties".

So at least he has his priorities straight here.

btw there's a website, sopaopera.org (or something like that...google it) which shows who's for and who's against the bill.  Dem's and republicans are basically split down the middle in both parties (i.e. half dem's are for/against, half republicans are for/against).  Pretty obvious to see who is a corporate whore, and who isn't.  It's also easy to tell who is up to date on their facts, and who isn't.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: LastKaze on January 19, 2012, 01:01:15 am
Quote from: Google
Members of Congress are trying to do the right thing by going after pirates and counterfeiters but SOPA and PIPA are the wrong way to do it.

1. SOPA and PIPA would censor the Web

The U.S. government could order the blocking of sites using methods similar to those employed by China. Among other things, search engines could be forced to delete entire websites from their search results. That’s why 41 human rights organizations  and 110 prominent law professors  have expressed grave concerns about the bills.

2. SOPA and PIPA would be job-killers because they would create a new era of uncertainty for American business

Law-abiding U.S. internet companies would have to monitor everything users link to or upload or face the risk of time-consuming litigation. That’s why AOL, EBay, Facebook, Google, LinkedIn, Mozilla, Twitter, Yahoo and Zynga  wrote a letter to Congress saying these bills “pose a serious risk to our industry’s continued track record of innovation and job-creation.” It’s also why 55 of America’s most successful venture capitalists  expressed concern that PIPA “would stifle investment in Internet services, throttle innovation, and hurt American competitiveness”. More than 204 entrepreneurs  told Congress that PIPA and SOPA would “hurt economic growth and chill innovation”.

3. SOPA and PIPA wouldn’t stop piracy

To make matters worse, SOPA and PIPA won’t even work. The censorship regulations written into these bills won’t shut down pirate sites. These sites will just change their addresses and continue their criminal activities, while law-abiding companies will suffer high penalties for breaches they can’t possibly control.

There are effective ways to combat foreign “rogue” websites dedicated to copyright infringement and trademark counterfeiting, while preserving the innovation and dynamism that have made the Internet such an important driver of American economic growth and job creation. Congress should consider alternatives like the OPEN Act , which takes targeted and focused steps to cut off the money supply from foreign pirate sites without making US companies censor the Web.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Nessaj on January 19, 2012, 01:20:05 am
It is more republicans than democrats pushing this bill, and the ones fighting against it in the senate are Democrats.

So blaming this on Obama in any way is pure propaganda (and I'm no fan of him since he appointed the same wall street crooks as Bush had), then on top adding the cute puppy, laugh. Big thumbs down.

White House Will Not Support SOPA, PIPA -->
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/14/white-house-sopa-pipa_n_1206347.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/14/white-house-sopa-pipa_n_1206347.html)
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2012, 01:28:31 am
Even though this is ULTRA creepy, I don't think the US government would ever shut down any big US website. How much tax money does Facebook pays ? Now you understand that actually using this legislation against US business (which have, obviously, US websites), is like shooting yourself in the foot for the US government. But of course this isn't a reason to accept such a ridiculous law. It is basically infringing like the whole constitution, especially with the privacy and the innocence presumption parts. And even though a court would never shut down big, mainstream sites like youtube, it could shut down more subversive ones, heavily threatening freedom of speech.


If the law ever passes, the first thing I expect is a sudden increase in server uptime price outside of the US. What makes a website "american" ? The servers or the company ? Either way, goodbye american internet startups, hello to all the clones from around the world. And what if they ban the DNS entries for all those "rogue" sites ? Lol... that's what Lybia did. Not long before the old man was killed.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Odion on January 19, 2012, 01:36:15 am
Nation specific political stuff should go in the off topic section.

its not nation specific.
if the law passes they can take google down on account of it linking to copyright material.

this is not a matter of IP blocking the US which you can bypass with a proxy. The site will be taken down 1st, and then the owner has to appeal in court. So everyone will be affected.

infact one of the people that supports SOPA. (Rupert Murdoch) called Google "a piracy leader"

and if you dont know anything about this man then you better look him up.

sopa= no google= no internet
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2012, 01:44:27 am
its not nation specific.
if the law passes they can take google down on account of it linking to copyright material.

this is not a matter of IP blocking the US which you can bypass with a proxy. The site will be taken down 1st, and then the owner has to appeal in court. So everyone will be affected.

infact one of the people that supports SOPA. (Rupert Murdoch) called Google "a piracy leader"

and if you dont know anything about this man then you better look him up.

sopa= no google= no internet

Internet without google could work. It's only the web that is heavily relying on it afterall. But the web is nearly everything internet-related.

The web without DNS to the known american websites, and things get much more complicated. At least for the poor sobs that can't reach other DNS servers. Lol, imagine some "underground" people selling books with possible IP adresses of DNS-forbidden websites. :mrgreen:

But anyway, really closing a website is that, closing it. Forcing the ISP to end the contract and don't give IP adresses to the servers. Nothing to do with DNS.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Elmetiacos on January 19, 2012, 02:49:23 am
its not nation specific.
if the law passes they can take google down on account of it linking to copyright material.

this is not a matter of IP blocking the US which you can bypass with a proxy. The site will be taken down 1st, and then the owner has to appeal in court. So everyone will be affected.

infact one of the people that supports SOPA. (Rupert Murdoch) called Google "a piracy leader"

and if you dont know anything about this man then you better look him up.

sopa= no google= no internet
Google and others will relocate to other countries, presumably.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Zerran on January 19, 2012, 03:05:10 am
Just found this, thought I should share  :P

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Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Zaren on January 19, 2012, 03:26:38 am
^ NAME COPYER
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Post by: Zerran on January 19, 2012, 03:47:47 am
^ NAME COPYER

I am afraid, good sir, that I have been registered longer than you, and that as such it is YOU that is the name copier :D
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Kajia on January 19, 2012, 04:08:39 am
well of course, this sopa thingy and pipi whatever is all bullshit - no doubt.

but I can not believe that they actually consider censoring the internet.
now, don't think I am naive or something, hell no! I guess people could actually adapt (as in: when it's passed) to such an act of stupidity - but what is more likely is that it'll cause some great uproar and big action that causes much trouble and eventually destroys the system ... har har
... do you think anybody would be that stupid? ... oh! I'm willing to accept a lot of stupidity! but here it seems more like a BIG diversionary tactic to me ...
great corporations, interested in having an anti piracy something, can't seriously have more power that google ITSELF - I mean, what? someone shuts down google?! no way! first who shuts down google get's cut off himself, even if it's the US government, lol!
[in fact, the US government, or court, or dunno-who can't be the one deciding shit here, in fact the US is shoulder-deep in debt, they can't even shit without anybody taking an interest, same with every other government of any other country in the world. who got the money, got the debtors, and they do what he wants] [that's no conspiracy theory, I hope you see that]

as I said, it's a big fuzz, I stirs up a lot but I wouldn't take it too seriously ... and even if I'm wrong: I'm up for some creative, cooperative rebellion! show them who's boss  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Zerran on January 19, 2012, 04:29:18 am
Possible... though honestly I think it's more a combination of plain stupidity and corruption.

Fun fact: take two semesters of college economics and you have more formal economics training than most of our congressmen.  :?
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Post by: Dom.Miguel on January 19, 2012, 07:35:41 am
Possible... though honestly I think it's more a combination of plain stupidity and corruption.

Fun fact: take two semesters of college economics and you have more formal economics training than most of our congressmen.  :?

If you go to high school you probably have more brains then your congressmen
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Brrrak on January 19, 2012, 07:57:33 am
I don't fully understand the motivations behind this bill: perhaps it can be simply explained with such things as corporate greed, institutionalized stupidity, or even a disturbing trend toward authoritarian control by the government.  Perhaps there are even individuals who are motivated by a genuine desire to see our (the U.S.'s) economy turn from a gradual downward trend, and revitalize it in some manner.   SOPA and PIPA will inhibit growth and freedom, and I do not care which one is your primary concern, because limiting both will only lead to problems in the future.

This isn't just a problem for us in the U.S. as some have stated.  No, we don't set policy for the entire world (no matter how much it can be argued we try), but any large, stable, modern liberal democracy passing such a bill sets a precedent for other large, stable, modern liberal democracies..  Europe is home to many of those, and it won't simply stop with those nations either.  I realize I'm largely preaching to a choir about this, but if one person reads what I've written and decides to take steps to help prevent any action toward internet censorship, then there hasn't been any wasted effort.

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Post by: Herkkutatti on January 19, 2012, 08:05:25 am
i need my "Free music/tv show/movie/game"  Downloads!  :cry:   And if this shit happens  and EU follows USA  , i will move to russia and live happy life the end.
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Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2012, 08:34:36 am
Just found this, thought I should share  :P

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Wait what ?


Acting against a lion that escaped the zoo by going flamethrower on kittens  :mrgreen:

Best analogy I've ever seen.  :lol:

[in fact, the US government, or court, or dunno-who can't be the one deciding shit here, in fact the US is shoulder-deep in debt, they can't even shit without anybody taking an interest, same with every other government of any other country in the world. who got the money, got the debtors, and they do what he wants] [that's no conspiracy theory, I hope you see that]

Well in my eyes it is the prototype of the conspiracy theory. Maybe not hard as the egyptian-templar-illuminati-freemason-jew riding unicorns and controlling the world. But just as bad. Those who got the money don't necesarily have the government that owe money to them under their feet. If the government (or whatever part of it) decides not to give your money back, you're screwed. And that's exactly what is happening with -for example- some towns in france that refuse to pay interest of ("rogue", since they didn't knew what they were really signing) variable-rate loans from failbanks (rates went x10 so you can understand).

Just like with any geopolitical/financial relation between two entities of decent size, no one is independant from the other. The debtors have the government balls just as the government has the debtor balls, which tends to balance things up.
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Post by: korppis on January 19, 2012, 08:50:56 am
This is the best thing that might ever happen to internet!

http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Support-The-Daily-WTF-in-Supporting-the-Support-SOPA-Movement.aspx (http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Support-The-Daily-WTF-in-Supporting-the-Support-SOPA-Movement.aspx)
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Post by: Zerran on January 19, 2012, 11:37:55 am
This is the best thing that might ever happen to internet!

http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Support-The-Daily-WTF-in-Supporting-the-Support-SOPA-Movement.aspx (http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Support-The-Daily-WTF-in-Supporting-the-Support-SOPA-Movement.aspx)

 :lol: Great article. Sadly it seems it was lost on some people that this was satire.
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2012, 12:38:33 pm
That guy is both hopeless and clueless about it. And please note the 3 year old syntax.

https://twitter.com/#!/rupertmurdoch

Best tactic : wait till those braindead grandpas actually die in a world they no longer understand.


And don't forget to check my favorite website. Hilarous as always. http://shelleytherepublican.com/
Title: Re: Do your part for internet freedom. Sign the PiPa/sopa petition
Post by: Elmetiacos on January 19, 2012, 01:03:10 pm
This isn't just a problem for us in the U.S. as some have stated.  No, we don't set policy for the entire world (no matter how much it can be argued we try), but any large, stable, modern liberal democracy passing such a bill sets a precedent for other large, stable, modern liberal democracies..  Europe is home to many of those, and it won't simply stop with those nations either.  I realize I'm largely preaching to a choir about this, but if one person reads what I've written and decides to take steps to help prevent any action toward internet censorship, then there hasn't been any wasted effort.
Curious argument, and the polar opposite of the one usually advanced for the Tobin Tax: if our country does it before anyone else, all our business will just leave for foreign shores. Here you're arguing that if the US disadvantages itself with respect to Internet freedom, the rest of the World will play monkey see, monkey do. I'm an old cynic and for me, we're living in the period of Net freedom which is going to end: before long the politicians and bureaucrats, applauded by big business (especially the likes of Murdoch, who just wants the whole thing to go away because he doesn't like the idea of something if he can't tell it what to do) will close the loophole and it will be as locked down as what's on TV.
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Post by: Kajia on January 19, 2012, 10:50:17 pm
Those who got the money don't necesarily have the government that owe money to them under their feet. If the government (or whatever part of it) decides not to give your money back, you're screwed. And that's exactly what is happening with -for example- some towns in france that refuse to pay interest of ("rogue", since they didn't knew what they were really signing) variable-rate loans from failbanks (rates went x10 so you can understand).
Fair enough. Some towns, eh? Nice to see some people have the guts to say no. Can't tell of anything like that happening in f**king Germany, bah.

All I see here is out-sourcing at every corner. Take transport for example: the 'deutsche bahn' (german railroad company) is getting out-sourced more and more, it doesn't work any more! even the best and fastest trains with the highest technology (ICE) have technical issues every snowfall because of frost damage! what minor reasons, wtf? They can't afford anti-frost oil, or something? Is that the vowed german engineering? ... this is the bahn getting fit for the stock market. It's already only 51% state-owned. you see that kind of scheme everywhere! US, France, UK, ... wherever!
Now, my point is: this is not happening because it might benefit us in any way (as for the example, whole railroad lines were took off the network), it is more a way of some smaller groups to use their power to extend it by sending lobbists and take out whole structures that might interfere with their means (in my example car industry, maybe), and all that through the hands of voted governments, bypassing laws and everything.
For all this shit they 'have to' cut off education, healthcare, and even production (which gets out-sourced to countries where people get payed less). It's sick if anything. You know the trick Kafein, I know what your signature is about, I knew it before. Look at the funny big difference from war-money to money spend on useful things ... funny as hell.

You're able to see the whole same pattern in the PiPa/sopa stuff aswell. I think they try to make us 'ready' for accepting that our 'freedom' of speech and freedom of information might be regulated in the ways the money flows. They try it with this fuzz first, because most people will eventually (have to) give in to live with it at one point. I for one can't watch many videos on youtube, because of some GEMA music-copyright-issue regulations already! There are ways and means to evade that problem, but in most cases I don't evade it and simply don't watch the vids. That is frightening! Because if it works on this it works on the whole internet!
Yes, but then you'd have a pissed off google company! ha!
That's why it won't happen ... not in such a simple way.