as it comes to me from a high knowledgeable member of LLJK, that the Ashwood Pike is the highest damaging hoplite weapon in the game at the moment since the awlpike is no longer usable with a shield. I receive constant flak as I'm told that the hoplite is a "garbage class", a "broken class", and is generally disliked by the overall public of the game.
Lol.
Not long ago the Ashwood Pike was an almost useless piece of junk.
Spear/Shielders get finally a dedicated weapon, that can kick ass even without their shield, ergo they are a bit viable, and people are going mad.
I heard a lot of "Asswood Pike" and other crap too, and also got killed by one. Shit happens.
Even though I am EU, I hear things about LLJK. Do you really handle that opinion so important? Ingore it.
May i ask why 23/15? If you do not go for multiplications of three, the extra att. points are useless. If i was you, i would transfer the 2extra for skill and go with 5 WM, so it would look like:The reason I go for 23/15 instead of 21/15 is because I run around in extremely light armor so I'm generally easy to kill. With the extra health it allows me to survive for much longer and I don't feel the WM would help me as much as you think.
21/15
7 IF+PS
5 shield, athl, WM
should get you around 150wfp, i played this build as onehander, was quite viable.
May i ask why 23/15? If you do not go for multiplications of three, the extra att. points are useless. If i was you, i would transfer the 2extra for skill and go with 5 WM, so it would look like:he want a 31 24/15 gimped built
21/15
7 IF+PS
5 shield, athl, WM
should get you around 150wfp, i played this build as onehander, was quite viable.
The reason I go for 23/15 instead of 21/15 is because I run around in extremely light armor so I'm generally easy to kill. With the extra health it allows me to survive for much longer and I don't feel the WM would help me as much as you think.
Well, to be honest, 2 more STR points over 4 WM when you already have 7 IF, that is weird choice:) But, whatever floats your boat, i always maxed out WM in every build so far, sometimes it can really make a difference. How much wpf you gonna get with this build anw? If under 100, then it is not that good imho (not just for the repair chance).
Well yeah, if he goes for 31 and on, then i get it :) But, if this is designated for 30 and then retire the minute he hits 31, i would do it differently due to reasons stated above :)
Without any points in WM you reach 111 at level 30. By 30 I should have.... well I don't really know to be honest! I tend to die quite a bit so that's why I prefer the higher armor/hp when it comes to builds. Perhaps when I become a bit more skilled I will pursue a more WM sided build.
I used to hug the shield, but I'm trying a build with no shield this time. I spent a shit-ton of time on the duel servers honing my block/dodge skills and I feel like I'm actually getting better at this game. The shield makes the hoplite class too stagnant/predictable. I fought you a few times Krek, the speed disadvantage + the less dmg is way too detrimental. You'll do a lot better without the shield using footwork and weaving...I'm looking for a loomed ashwood pike right now and I plan to use it without a shield as well.I figured as much, as of late I've been ditching the shield in melee battle. I just figured (thought more of) that I'm not playing a hoplite unless I have the shield out.
(Only time to use a shield is obviously against enemy ranged)
I figured as much, as of late I've been ditching the shield in melee battle. I just figured (thought more of) that I'm not playing a hoplite unless I have the shield out.
longspear/pike wiggle more annoying than hoplite
Yeah I suggested that the ashwood needs a little nerf, at least make the costs higher. I dont really remember in which thread. But nobody seems to care :DOh they will care soon enough, the ashwood pike spreads like a virus, partly because I cant shut up about its OP ness. Really hope they just make it more expensive cause I really love using the thing even when its unloomed.
I play hoplite for a long while and I find it perfectly viable. It isnt underpowered or underpowered, as anyone with a degree of understanding can utilise it to terrifying levels of efficiency, but not any idiot can just pick it up and pose a threat.. Pully is by far the best hoplite Ive ever seen, but I like to think I can be posed as a challlenge somewhat for any player. Ashwood pike isnt to my liking though, I would stick with a warspear. People think they do the most damage with an ashwood pike, they are however, wrong. Unless something drastically changed in the coding of polearms with spears, I recall that any polearm over 150 length used with a shield gets a 35% damage reduction, the same as a longsword/heavy bastard sword would get with a shield. Which means with the 166 length ashwood pike you get the reduction, but you dont with the 150 length warspear, giving you more damage overall.I knew it!
If you want a long polearm to use with a shield, use a bamboo spear, its surprisingly effective.
I knew it!
In that case, why not use the red tassel instead? 2 more speed for 1 less damage seems worth it.
Couple of reasons really. One of them being that the tassel spear looks like shit and the warspear looks like a boss. But the main reason is the difference in damage. 1 pierce doesnt seem much, but trust me it makes a difference. It will be multiplied up from 1 damage to 2-4 damage, depending on ps value and speed bonus, and while this is not much of a difference for a cut weapon, it makes a noticeable diffence with pierce. The same thing goes for the swing damage. You have to sling the shield across your back sometimes, and 3 blunt is going to make one hell of a diffence.i don't see how that is so? why does 1 damage become 3-4?
i don't see how that is so? why does 1 damage become 3-4?
I play hoplite for a long while and I find it perfectly viable. It isnt underpowered or underpowered, as anyone with a degree of understanding can utilise it to terrifying levels of efficiency, but not any idiot can just pick it up and pose a threat.. Pully is by far the best hoplite Ive ever seen, but I like to think I can be posed as a challlenge somewhat for any player. Ashwood pike isnt to my liking though, I would stick with a warspear. People think they do the most damage with an ashwood pike, they are however, wrong. Unless something drastically changed in the coding of polearms with spears, I recall that any polearm over 150 length used with a shield gets a 35% damage reduction, the same as a longsword/heavy bastard sword would get with a shield. Which means with the 166 length ashwood pike you get the reduction, but you dont with the 150 length warspear, giving you more damage overall.
If you want a long polearm to use with a shield, use a bamboo spear, its surprisingly effective.
Nope. The damage penalty applies to all polearms used with a shield, regardless of reach. It's been like that for a long time. As in, ever.
hey that was me, and I killed you multiple times :lol:
Originally I was told that all polearms had the penalty, but the ones over 150 reach got an even worse penalty.
Let's be honest, it's pretty easy with that stun.Can't recall the last time that I've seen you. I guess it was somewhere begin 2011 ish.
I had no chance to even activate a block. :wink:
Can't recall the last time that I've seen you. I guess it was somewhere begin 2011 ish.
Ash pike is a little op in my mind, but a reduction in speed should bring it on parr with everything else, maybe lose 2 speedNO! YOU SHUT UP :mad:! shoo
Of course, there are very capable players with pikes and spears, but ask yourself if they would be less successfull with a two handed weapon or sword and shield. WIth the same amount of dedication and skill I would say: no. If anything, better.I am better with an unloomed ashwood pike (without shield) than I was with a MW German Greatsword or a MW German Poleaxe.
I am better with an unloomed ashwood pike (without shield) than I was with a MW German Greatsword or a MW German Poleaxe.
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU :mad:
ashwood got nerfed just as I ask for no nerf. FML :cry:
What nerf was just applied?
1 point less damage, but more severe is an increase of item cost. :cry:Ugh, I had no problem with the price of the weapon (Still don't) but a nerf? Really? As if hoplites need to be a smaller sized class?
Like the spear weapons would be a problem in this mod :rolleyes:
Ugh, I had no problem with the price of the weapon (Still don't) but a nerf? Really? As if hoplites need to be a smaller sized class?
Does this rank a different weapon as #1 for damage or does the ashwood still stand out?
1 point less damage, but more severe is an increase of item cost. :cry:If picking an unloomed 4.6k weapon is a better choice than a MW 15k weapon for certain players it kinda was a problem. This nerf adressed it nicely, I will still use it though, don't give a shit about the price, and now it has less damage I'll just have to loom it.
Like the spear weapons would be a problem in this mod :rolleyes:
Me have MW and teeth not hehehehe :PIt's nerfed, its weak and expensive now. Trade it with me for the obviously superior German Poleaxe!
If picking an unloomed 4.6k weapon is a better choice than a MW 15k weapon for certain players it kinda was a problem. This nerf adressed it nicely, I will still use it though, don't give a shit about the price, and now it has less damage I'll just have to loom it.
Unless something drastically changed in the coding of polearms with spears, I recall that any polearm over 150 length used with a shield gets a 35% damage reduction, the same as a longsword/heavy bastard sword would get with a shield. Which means with the 166 length ashwood pike you get the reduction, but you dont with the 150 length warspear, giving you more damage overall.
Originally I was told that all polearms had the penalty, but the ones over 150 reach got an even worse penalty.
I've been told the ashwood pike gets additional penalty with a shield because of its above a certain number length. The penalty it gets in speed is like 35% instead of 15% for somewhat shorter spears, these numbers might not be perfectly accurate.
Nope. The damage penalty applies to all polearms used with a shield, regardless of reach. It's been like that for a long time. As in, ever.
double sided lance has highest damage for hoplite i think
nevah! I have mighty poleaxe too, its much cooler!
Anyway, as for you, Kreczor, you seem to be picking up the style pretty well. You're decent when fighting with your teammates and seem to know when a good time to remove your shield is. The playstyle is mostly about your staying power in group fighting, the shield enables you to do things a pikeman wouldn't, but you can still assist teammates by hitting the guys attacking them and pressuring people a good distance from you. Your minimum range also requires (slightly) less finagling to land hits from it than a pike, making it slightly more versatile, if not as deadly, as something like a longspear. The fact that you can put away your shield just adds to that versatility. The way I look at being a hoplite is being able to extend the reach of another weapon, or being a spearman capable of blocking multiple directions at once, rather than playing as a shielder who's got a long one-direction attack. I guess that's why I only have 2 shield skill, but there you go.Thanks for the uplifting compliments :)
Which scenario are you describing there?What a lot of people are forgetting im this thread and in general, is that you can also use an ashwood pike without a shield, which makes it awesome! I'm describing the scenario of me having a MW German Poleaxe, but I'm using an unloomed Ashwood pike cause I do better with it. Spear weapons are very effective. Yes, money is a really low motivation factor, thats why this nerf was very minor and well deserved. 3 less damage than the awlpike but 2 more speed is still a great trade off that is worth it imo.
Because usually players pick different weapon classes because of personal preferences, and not because of the cost-benefit-ratio. I don't know which 15k MW weapon you are talking about, but it must be one of those 2hd sword/halberd - weapons. And I don't think many people will say "Hey! I will go hoplite instead of 2hd, because ashwood pike is so cheap!". I think money is a really low motivation factor.
We saw this concerning bows. Let's be honest, in almost every last patch archers got nerfed down more and more, and still we have too many of them. (Let's see what the missing ladders change). It's because apparently most archers simply wanted to play an archer in this game, and that's what they do regardless to any nerf or other penalty.
Ashwood pike was nerfed because it was basically an awlpike but...better. Like, just straight up better. Now it has slightly less dmg but with more range and can be used with shield. As a nerf, makes sense.
Kreczor, I would recommend altering your build to the following:(click to show/hide)
As compared with what you are currently running:(click to show/hide)
With the first build, you gain an extra rank of Power Strike, which will make you deal more damage, and will also offset the damage nerf introduced with the 0.260 patch. You would be sacrificing 3 health and 5 polearm proficiency. The health loss comes out to 4.2% less than what you would have with the second build, while the 5 polearm proficiency loss will be, for all intents and purposes, unnoticeable. Extra proficiency will not really help you as a hoplite, either; your role is to know when you can safely attack and support your teammates, and when you should focus on distracting opposing players with your shield. A few points of polearm proficiency will not help you in that regard.
No if I'm looking at it right, that's a build for lvl 30. He cut off 2 of your IF and 1 WM to get you that last strength and powerstrike. Weaponmaster and Ironflesh should be low priority skills, at least compared to powerstrike. They're nice to have, but sacrificing 3 hp and a fraction of a percentage point of speed for 8% on top of your powerstrike multiplier is definitely worth it, especially with the hefty reduction to your damage you get from using your weapon in 1 hand.