If you would like to play together in a team, why did you join with STR under same banner, giving you more chance of splitting up with your members.
Last patch made it really easy for big banner block to stay together.
Real problem is that other clans also joined up under same banner so it gets tougher and tougher to keep the multi.
1 A situation, can we sit in the first round of the SPECT?Yes, kinda as that in itself is not exploiting.
2 Position, If I went to the team (and if not resp) if I withdraw for SPECT?This is the whole reason why you guys get banned.
3 Do you enter a lock on the banner? Because full peasants run all years of our banner, it is annoying for factions.Not sure if there are plans on "locking" banners but you can not votekick/ban people for using your banner.
-If the banners will not be blocked if we kick / temporarily ban players for repetitive use and change on our banner?
Their defeat was merely a delay
The time after siege was remade
When the sons of cRPG would spill their own blood
Noone wanted to believe, believe they even existed
And when the truth finally dawned, it dawned in whine
BUT there is one they fear, in their tongue he is Athmeankiin....ADMINBORN
General rules
NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance
NOT OK: poll-kicking someone because you don't like his playstyle
lol beerborn, epic!
maybe someone should make balance depend on baner and tag in the same time ?????Then there will be RandomPeasant_the_Grey, Suckmycock1998_the_Grey etc. :lol:
it should fix that problem
1. Yes, kinda as that in itself is not exploiting.
If an admin sees that there are 20 people in spec odds are he will start kicking those to make room for active players.
Just so you don't come crying if that happens.
Because you are basically blocking slots for a whole round doing nothing.
(...)
2. This is the whole reason why you guys get banned.
You try to join the team with your members in it, you get put into the other team so you go back to spec and retry.
It's circumventing the autoteam balance and although there were adjustments made, some of you will have to deal with being in the other team if there are too many people with the banner.
3. Not sure if there are plans on "locking" banners but you can not votekick/ban people for using your banner.
Everyone has to choose one and the moment we allow that, there will be massive poll abuse from clans to remove players with their banner.
So using the grey banner is not a reason to start polls on people and will be handled as poll abuse.
Hope this clears things up.
To 1.:
I might even go so far as to ban people who pull that several times. Sitting in Spec itself is not forbidden, doing so to circumvent Autobalance is. Clogging up Serverspace to do nothing and to prevent losing your x2/3/4/5 is rather retarded, especially if it happens on Primetime (around 6-11pm GMT+1). If I see that a person continuously does that, even if I kicked him/her already twice or 3 times, it will end in a ban.
2.: To clear up: You chose a team, didn't like it, went back to spec to wait the whole round then, or do you try and get into the other team? If it's the first option, see point 1. If it's the second option, you may be banned for trying to bypass autobalance.
3.: No bans for using the same banner. We (speaking as Guard-member) even have the problems of other clans using our banner and can't do shit about it. Grow some balls and deal with it.
Lacoste if you "cant believe" it why do you brag it out. Yes, pretty amusing story of how Almighty Lacoste The Hero alone defeats dozen enemies while useless Greys stand still. That clearly bring the conclusion that they must be cheating somehow and the easiest explanation is that there are some Greys on the second team. What next? They did teamwounded me, but it would show up on the server logs, so all they do is stare, but men! Did you see that stare! That look was game-breaking! I tell you men, they had this stare! I couldn't do shit because of that cheating eyes of Grey! I tell you men! That stare! I tell you!
Still. Astonishing observation skills while in battle amok.
"Lacoste if you "cant believe" it why do you brag it out"what? what does that mean?
What next? They did teamwounded me, but it would show up on the server logs, so all they do is stare, but men! Did you see that stare! That look was game-breaking! I tell you men, they had this stare! I couldn't do shit because of that cheating eyes of Grey! I tell you men! That stare! I tell you!
I've read so much about what my clan did bad and knowing it being lies I can guess many old lies had become myths, and myths somehow are treated here as history. Again, what I am supposed to do with those lies I hear? I can deny it once, twice, yet it is getting annoying, when everyone can accuse you of anything and they don't even bother having proof or even considering it not true, and others think that these accusations are true by default. Why? Because facts are basic: If I weren't here to answer people who did read this topic would also believe form now on that Harpag controls every Grey character on Strategus.
Quote from: chadz on October 16, 2011, 19:15:35
Just for the record- last round more than 100 greys logged in from one IP. Over one hundred warband keys from a single household. Your fucked up sense of fairness is what forces us to take steps like this in the first place. So would you kindly get rid of this attitude?
How can I answer to that crap in any other way? People throw shit at me, and what I am supposed to do?
The only thing we did and it is against the rules is finding the way to play together. Here being known as "abusing team balance system". And that is only a response to many taking our banners by purpose and thus making system impossible to balance teams by banners. Also I think that this is retarded that our men are being punished by admins only for willing to play with not against clan mates. Unless there are free slots on the server I see nothing wrong by sitting on the spectator. Whether it's first or every round. Anyone can join after all.
Lacoste I did understand you perfectly. You were fighting like a godsent, defeating hordes of enemies, random ones, Grey ones, every ones! Yet when you fell (how that could happen?!) You've noticed our evil creatures that were watching you die. I am still amazed by your skills to judge everyone in every situation while on killing rampage. Yet you can. You can see their dicnkess, you can count them, you can clearly know what they were upto whole time. Nevertheless you do not understand one thing - things you think you saw, and things that happened. You weren't them, you didn't know what they are upto. Why you're so certain they were letting enemies win? Oh you weren't you've just posted on forums that 3 Greys are being dicks and they're "directing" battle outcome even so you have no idea what they were doing. I ask you, if there were 3 random dudes would you bother posting it on forums? I doubt so. You would just call them noobs and move on. Yet when it comes to Grey everyone seems some mysterious conspiracy. They could be just rallying, but no! It has to be one of their dick moves! That's reason why Almighty Lacoste dies defending! It would never happen if it wasn't of Grey.
You absolutely ignore the fact that you are not alone on the servers. Other people want to play, too, and if you Greys are so skilled, and you all join one team, the one team should win all the time, am I right? How can this be fair?Other people can play, no one from us prohibits so. And Yes. I am very sorry but I think that this is fair that the better team wins. If we want to play together and we win all the time, there is a simple solution for the opponents: play better and start winning so we do not win anymore. That is pretty fair to me.
Fair teams is MORE important than clan players playing together.There is a difference between FAIR and BALANCED. BALANCED is maybe more thrilling, yet there will never be a perfect balance, as there will never be a draw on siege.
Osiris. Like It was explained. Yes, we all once provided account data information to our leader. We were making a this plan for summer was coming. In case of holiday absence. Admins did not like that and thus Harpag deleted all that account data at once. Even so he had our login information for a short while, it doesn't mean that any strategus actions gameplay-wise were taken. NONE to be clear. Just validated and left.
Other people can play, no one from us prohibits so. And Yes. I am very sorry but I think that this is fair that the better team wins. If we want to play together and we win all the time, there is a simple solution for the opponents: play better and start winning so we do not win anymore. That is pretty fair to me.
Also I think, in contrary, that it isn't fair that you end up playing against your clan mates only because you were playing good.
There is a difference between FAIR and BALANCED. BALANCED is maybe more thrilling, yet there will never be a perfect balance, as there will never be a draw on siege.
To me it is more important to play WITH MY FRIENDS ON TEAMSPEAK than with random dudes who don't give shit about me and my doings. Like I said I don't even bother that much about multiplier as much as being with my clan mates. I would rather be loosing with them alongside than winning against them and having constant 5 times multiplier.
Yet I believe that this is fair if we, by playing good earn that multiplier. This is after all a reward and a fair one.
Any more "fairtalk" from you?
Osiris. Like It was explained. Yes, we all once provided account data information to our leader. We were making a this plan for summer was coming. In case of holiday absence. Admins did not like that and thus Harpag deleted all that account data at once. Even so he had our login information for a short while, it doesn't mean that any strategus actions gameplay-wise were taken. NONE to be clear. Just validated and left.
1.: Stop trying to make fun of Lactose killing several enemies, this was not the key part of his statement and thus ridiculing it won't help you anything.Sorry, but that just cries for itself.
2.: If you see three random noobs standing around, you can assume that every one of them is only playing for himself, but with three clan players you can assume they are following a plan. Or would you say your three clan mates standing around are no different from three noobs standing around, with exception of having the same banner/tag? Are you saying you have noobs in your clan that stand around and do nothing instead of taking the flag?I am saying that I do not know what they were doing as well as Lactose or You.
3.: I see no reason why one shouldn't believe lactose. It makes perfectly sense for the smaller group of clanplayers to let the bigger group of clanplayers win, if they are asked for it over teamspeak. This is not cheating, but it's a dick move. And never mind how much you hook up on his statement that he killed several enemies, if they were really standing around - and you can see this very well in a fight, if you turn around for a second, twice or more - and there WERE more Greys on the other team, I think the evidence is clear.If we did such dick moves we wouldn't be making such a fuss about playing in one team. Also that reminds me that our teamspeak is dead for over a week. Anyhow this is not evidence, this is conjecture, a guesswork. From what had been said I can tell same and say that they had a plan to push enemies back and sadly Lactose wasn't a part of that plan and that's why he died lone.
Yeah, also you had a team speak motd saying that everyone needs to supply their account data to him...Firstly we do not use TS MOTD method and never did. We use channel descriptions and clan forum notices. Forum notices was AFAIK taken down instantly and about channel descriptions on TS - well last time it was online we stil had info about upcoming attack on the first strategus castle. Thing that happened months before.
That was WAY after the incident with the 100 accounts and at that time everyone of you already knew that it was against the rules.
That also caused this post: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14919.0.html
So stop calling it lies and all when it is more than clear that your clan is used to breaking rules for an unfair advantage.It is still a lie to tell that Harpag does all the strategus work. All he did is logged in. Once. And nothing else.
Getting rid of that reputation is way harder than getting it.I wouldn't mind if we did earn that bad reputation that I am trying to get rid off. But most of it is just speculation of some third party assholes who have nothing to do with Grey Order.
Making posts here just denying it all will not change that.
I see a lot of very fair and nice members of your clan these days, they help people if they screw up on the market by snatching the items and returning them and being helpful overall.But it won't stop us being called cheaters, won't it? Even we're not?
That is the right attitude.
But it won't stop us being called cheaters, won't it? Even we're not?
1. We know that Grey Order (or at least a couple of people of them) abused many many many things in this game, nothing to argue about. Majer you do your clan no good by denying everything here and calling people liars ;)Our clan is big, thus having extraordinary good and sometimes rotten apples. Yet despite marginal individuals, who do not spoil the fun, as for clan doings and planned actions we did none of things other than playing together in one team. And this is main reason of overall butthurt on forums.
2. As far as I know some of these abusers have left them or were kicked out of the clan due to that and the abuse is gone mostly. Happens sometimes still, but most of the time they behave on servers.Like I said, this is a big clan. I cannot relate to the personal issues but blaming clan policy about any of that is just stupid. We do well to maintain our ranks solid without people throwing shit at all of us constantly.
After this thread i vote everyone going to EU1 with grey's banner at peak hours!Like it never happens when we join server...
Don't pull crap for a year and see how that works out.We were blamed for everything long before team stacking became a problem. What does guarantee that it won't happen again? If we keep winning rounds everyone will keep looking on our hands and seek for any reason to get us banned. What we would need to do is to disappear for a year. Disband a clan so we won't be a treat on Strategus and randoms would never need to struggle on server for a multiplier.
@Meow We were blamed for everything long before team stacking became a problem. What does guarantee that it won't happen again? If we keep winning rounds everyone will keep looking on our hands and seek for any reason to get us banned. What we would need to do is to disappear for a year. Disband a clan so we won't be a treat on Strategus and randoms would never need to struggle on server for a multiplier.
Majer you shold stop writing immediately.
You make everything worse :rolleyes:
All I'm going to say here. Quit it, it is better for your clan
I don't think this can be called "defending". It's rather confirming the community in their prejudice.
So if you want to start to get some credibility [...]
Sure if you are a retard with prejudgements.
Did it ever come to your mind to think of an alternative to the banner balance system (I suggested to have something like a "create faction" command line on the character page, or you can join one of the existing factions by a dropdown menu, where you application has either to be accepted or declined. Instead of the banner you choose the faction your character belongs to decide where you will get balanced to. This way no random players with your banner can push your clan members out of your team any more),
Their defeat was merely a delay
The time after siege was remade
When the sons of cRPG would spill their own blood
Noone wanted to believe, believe they even existed
And when the truth finally dawned, it dawned in whine
BUT there is one they fear, in their tongue he is Athmeankiin....ADMINBORN
Let the admins deal with it, this stigmatization of a whole clan is just not right
No, keep defending your clan. If the members wont do it no1 will
This has gone waaaay overboard and has turned into a godamn lynch. Give them a chance for fucks sake.
We are all human, we make mistakes. Stop throwing the rocks
You make everything worse :rolleyes:No it's community being retarded as always.
Majer, it's nice to see how you try to defend your clan, it's a sign of loyalty, but you are doing it completely wrong.Oh how comes? What other possibilities do I have? Eating all the shit that is flying at my direction?
I don't think this can be called "defending". It's rather confirming the community in their prejudice.WHAT DID I CONFIRM YOU MUPPET? Do you have any reasoning capabilities?
If someone accuses you of something, it is a BAD idea to get in rage yourself, starting to offend others and call them liars back, as it doesn't help you to appear trustworthy, unbiased and resonable. (Which is an important condition to "win" a discussion.)I do not want to win any discussion. I want to stop reading that bullshit about me and my other mates on very unbiased enviroment. It is also not raging to call Oberyn
All I'm going to say here. Quit it, it is better for your clanNothing is better for my clan if everyone is hostile by default. Like I said, Harpag didn't have a custom to confront peasant talk. It grew to that extend that everyone outside Grey Order believes everything told on this forums about us, and mostly it is a crap talk.
There is no doubt about it that the clan policy has something to do with your bad image.Obviously You have no idea, and no, not a lot of them. Knowing how big this clan is compared to others I would even say that we're one of fewest number of bug abusers in cRPG if any.
Obviously you do not care if your members ignore rules which ends in a lot of them doing so.
Don't reaccept people that had their old accounts banned for account hacking or autoblocking.Had we any? Or are we regular-basis cheaters now?
The right thing to do would be to show how your clan changed, and how mature and resonable you all are. In this case, attacking is NOT the best defence. That's where you fail, and I dare to say that your rage post as answer to Oberyn's accusation did its part to escalate the discussion here.Oh, and everyone else can attack Grey Order with blows under the belt without any hestiation? I am not a fucking Jesus to provide second cheek to get bruised. I would like to remind you that constant accusation of greys wrong doings without any evidence is the reason I ever bothered answering this. Who is attacker? The one man with shield or reckless mob?
STILL they have a right to have higher multipliers than x1, only because they give you someone to play with on the servers.No. They have the right to EARN for a bigger multiplier. Even Greys get beaten sometimes by randoms. It happens. Often on the opposite side they've got a quality force like HRE. If they want to have better odds for winning, they should join a strong clan or form an alliance instead of roaming pointlessly on the server. That is the cRPG mod not carebear kinder-garden.
Did it ever come to your mind to think of an alternative to the banner balance system (...)Seriously you think we didn't? How naive can you be? The response is that nothing has changed and it was suggested ages ago.
Thou art a MEME THIEF !!!
Hi I would like to ask a few behalf Grey Order questions about the MULTIACCOUNTING.
1 A situation, can we have Harpag owning all the password accounts of every single one of our members?
2 Position, If I bought a hundred cd-keys, can I use them in Strat?
3 If we get caught, and forgiven, can just relentlessly continue to cheat like a bunch of cunts with no repercussions?
Thanks for reading, and please fast Reply from the webmasters. Jayroslavo and Gryfita The Greys
Thou art a MEME THIEF !!!
New and improved and intepretating people's whine over autobalance, but meh......its a laugh