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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2012, 05:47:14 pm »
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1.: Stop trying to make fun of Lactose killing several enemies, this was not the key part of his statement and thus ridiculing it won't help you anything.
Sorry, but that just cries for itself.

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2.: If you see three random noobs standing around, you can assume that every one of them is only playing for himself, but with three clan players you can assume they are following a plan. Or would you say your three clan mates standing around are no different from three noobs standing around, with exception of having the same banner/tag? Are you saying you have noobs in your clan that stand around and do nothing instead of taking the flag?
I am saying that I do not know what they were doing as well as Lactose or You.

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3.: I see no reason why one shouldn't believe lactose. It makes perfectly sense for the smaller group of clanplayers to let the bigger group of clanplayers win, if they are asked for it over teamspeak. This is not cheating, but it's a dick move. And never mind how much you hook up on his statement that he killed several enemies, if they were really standing around  - and you can see this very well in a fight, if you turn around for a second, twice or more - and there WERE more Greys on the other team, I think the evidence is clear.
If we did such dick moves we wouldn't be making such a fuss about playing in one team. Also that reminds me that our teamspeak is dead for over a week. Anyhow this is not evidence, this is conjecture, a guesswork. From what had been said I can tell same and say that they had a plan to push enemies back and sadly Lactose wasn't a part of that plan and that's why he died lone.

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2012, 05:58:28 pm »
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About your teamspeak going down, what exactly was your reasoning behind just randomly claiming a channel on our teamspeak? to good to ask for permission first?

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2012, 06:01:12 pm »
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Yeah, also you had a team speak motd saying that everyone needs to supply their account data to him...
That was WAY after the incident with the 100 accounts and at that time everyone of you already knew that it was against the rules.
That also caused this post: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14919.0.html
Firstly we do not use TS MOTD method and never did. We use channel descriptions and clan forum notices. Forum notices was AFAIK taken down instantly and about channel descriptions on TS - well last time it was online we stil had info about upcoming attack on the first strategus castle. Thing that happened months before.
Anyway I strongly believe that anyone who was about to provide those login informations provided it already, and any further data was discarded. Maybe that's because after that "100 accounts incident" nothing ever happen later on.
Quick question - did devs/admins notice any "mass" actions in terms of strategus gameplay like trading or moving troops? Oh they didn't. Maybe because there we none.
All Harpag did is logged in, once. Didn't perform any tasks. It's like If I had an account on steam, let my friend log in on that platfrom to show him what games I have available, and thus get banned for piracy even he did not played or download any of those games I had bound to my account.


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So stop calling it lies and all when it is more than clear that your clan is used to breaking rules for an unfair advantage.
It is still a lie to tell that Harpag does all the strategus work. All he did is logged in. Once. And nothing else.
And you exaggerating is beyond help. It's like me calling you a rapist because I know you watched bondage porn.

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Getting rid of that reputation is way harder than getting it.
Making posts here just denying it all will not change that.
I wouldn't mind if we did earn that bad reputation that I am trying to get rid off. But most of it is just speculation of some third party assholes who have nothing to do with Grey Order.

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I see a lot of very fair and nice members of your clan these days, they help people if they screw up on the market by snatching the items and returning them and being helpful overall.
That is the right attitude.
But it won't stop us being called cheaters, won't it? Even we're not?


@Zotte I have no idea what are you talking about. Maybe Harpag did receive permission or something like that. After all he needs to discuss things with other members. Maybe because he does not control our accounts?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 06:09:04 pm by Majer »

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2012, 06:07:04 pm »
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Why do people start arguing here over and over again?  :rolleyes:


1. We know that Grey Order (or at least a couple of people of them) abused many many many things in this game, nothing to argue about. Majer you do your clan no good by denying everything here and calling people liars ;)

2. As far as I know some of these abusers have left them or were kicked out of the clan due to that and the abuse is gone mostly. Happens sometimes still, but most of the time they behave on servers.

3. This thread is a good step forward. Better ask for things you are not really sure about instead of doing them without asking.


Now why all the raging here from Grey Order and lots of other people?   They just asked a couple of things. Answer in a correct way and done. No need to accuse people over and over again  :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 06:08:44 pm by Gisbert_of_Thuringia »

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2012, 06:07:51 pm »
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After this thread i vote everyone going to EU1 with grey's banner at peak hours!
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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2012, 06:15:41 pm »
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But it won't stop us being called cheaters, won't it? Even we're not?

It sure won't if you guys keep breaking rules like circumventing the autoteam balance.
Why would people not call you cheaters for that?
It's exploiting a game mechanic to get an unfair advantage, might as well call it cheating.
This stuff sticks.

My whole point is that the summed up amount of stuff you guys pulled gave you a bad image, the way you post here won't change a thing about that.

Don't pull crap for a year and see how that works out.

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2012, 06:18:45 pm »
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1. We know that Grey Order (or at least a couple of people of them) abused many many many things in this game, nothing to argue about. Majer you do your clan no good by denying everything here and calling people liars ;)
Our clan is big, thus having extraordinary good and sometimes rotten apples. Yet despite marginal individuals, who do not spoil the fun, as for clan doings and planned actions we did none of things other than playing together in one team. And this is main reason of overall butthurt on forums.

And when someone lies like Oberyn about Harpag controlling whole factions trough strategus I will call them liars because that's logical and simple.
I didn't deny that Harpag had account data of our members, yet he hadn't perform anything you would call cheating or abusing in that area.

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2. As far as I know some of these abusers have left them or were kicked out of the clan due to that and the abuse is gone mostly. Happens sometimes still, but most of the time they behave on servers.
Like I said, this is a big clan. I cannot relate to the personal issues but blaming clan policy about any of that is just stupid. We do well to maintain our ranks solid without people throwing shit at all of us constantly.


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After this thread i vote everyone going to EU1 with grey's banner at peak hours!
Like it never happens when we join server...


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Don't pull crap for a year and see how that works out.
We were blamed for everything long before team stacking became a problem. What does guarantee that it won't happen again? If we keep winning rounds everyone will keep looking on our hands and seek for any reason to get us banned. What we would need to do is to disappear for a year. Disband a clan so we won't be a treat on Strategus and randoms would never need to struggle on server for a multiplier.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 06:23:48 pm by Majer »

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2012, 06:30:48 pm »
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Majer you shold stop writing immediately.
You make everything worse  :rolleyes:

All I'm going to say here. Quit it, it is better for your clan

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2012, 06:41:52 pm »
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@Meow We were blamed for everything long before team stacking became a problem. What does guarantee that it won't happen again? If we keep winning rounds everyone will keep looking on our hands and seek for any reason to get us banned. What we would need to do is to disappear for a year. Disband a clan so we won't be a treat on Strategus and randoms would never need to struggle on server for a multiplier.

Then don't give them a reason to get you banned.
Make sure every single of your members knows the rules.

There is no doubt about it that the clan policy has something to do with your bad image.
Obviously you do not care if your members ignore rules which ends in a lot of them doing so.
That on the other hand makes people hate your clan.
Take actions, remove people from your roster that fail to understand rules after multiple warnings, don't reaccept people that had their old accounts banned for account hacking or autoblocking.

These things obviously make people dislike the clan itself.
Which then, unfair as it is, hits every member of the clan in the same way although only a part screwed up.

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2012, 06:42:16 pm »
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Majer, it's nice to see how you try to defend your clan, it's a sign of loyalty, but you are doing it completely wrong.

If someone accuses you of something, it is a BAD idea to get in rage yourself, starting to offend others and call them liars back, as it doesn't help you to appear trustworthy, unbiased and resonable. (Which is an important condition to "win" a discussion.)

If someone accuses you of something, and you answer "What? Liar! LIAR! FUCK YOU! It's not true, YOU are lying here! You are jealous, you want to harm us, you fucking liar!", how does this look to other persons?

Did it ever come to your mind that over a long period the reputation of your clan could have had its justification, and so your clan is less trustworthy than others would be? So if you do something in a grey area (  :D ), people will tend to assume the worse, not the better things. Unless you close your eyes to all those things that happened before, you must admit it's your own clan's fault.

The right thing to do would be to show how your clan changed, and how mature and resonable you all are. In this case, attacking is NOT the best defense. That's where you fail, and I dare to say that your rage post as answer to Oberyn's accusation did its part to escalate the discussion here.

For me personally you already failed by not seeing how it is unfair to have random public teams fight clan teams. Of course the clan team is the better team, but still this doesn't count as argument. Of course it's fair when the better "thing" wins, but they have to be about equal and comparable. You can't ask what is faster, a plane or a Maserati. But you can ask what is faster, a Maserati or a Ferrai! Things must be comparable. Random players are NOT clan players, they do NOT connect to play with friends, and they do NOT play as success orientedly as clan players do, and STILL they have a right to have higher multipliers than x1, only because they give you someone to play with on the servers.

So if you want to start to get some credibility: for me personally it would be admitting that in no way you can request to have big clan teams fight some random public teams and call this being fair.

And I bet you can start to convince the others by doing similar things.

Did it ever come to your mind to think of an alternative to the banner balance system (I suggested to have something like a "create faction" command line on the character page, or you can join one of the existing factions by a dropdown menu, where you application has either to be accepted or declined. Instead of the banner you choose the faction your character belongs to decide where you will get blanced to. This way no random players with your banner can push your clan members out of your team any more), making a nice and friendly post on the forum where you elaborate and (especially important!) reason your suggestion objectively, have all your clan member sign this thread, and then PM one of the developers or chadz himself with the kind plea to answer on the topic, as it would help you to improve your reputation, exactly as the community (and chadz himself) would like to see it from you. I am absolutely sure everyone will appreciate this attempt to improve yourself, as there is absolutely no reason to doubt in its honesty if you are doing it this way. And if you still get balanced into the enemy team, then console yourself with the insight that your team is too good to be only on one sight, and see this as opportunity for a training against better enemies for both groups of your clan.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 06:45:56 pm by Joker86 »
Joker makes a very good point.
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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2012, 06:43:03 pm »
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Majer you shold stop writing immediately.
You make everything worse  :rolleyes:

All I'm going to say here. Quit it, it is better for your clan

No, keep defending your clan. If the members wont do it no1 will

This has gone waaaay overboard and has turned into a godamn lynch. Give them a chance for fucks sake.

We are all human, we make mistakes. Stop throwing the rocks
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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2012, 06:46:47 pm »
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I don't think this can be called "defending". It's rather confirming the community in their prejudice.
Joker makes a very good point.
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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2012, 06:48:47 pm »
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I don't think this can be called "defending". It's rather confirming the community in their prejudice.

Sure if you are a retard with prejudgements.
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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2012, 06:51:16 pm »
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So if you want to start to get some credibility [...]

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Re: Questions from Greys
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2012, 06:54:20 pm »
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Well this is a fine looking mess.
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