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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: cmp on December 19, 2011, 10:42:03 pm
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It has come to our attention that several players are using two or more keys. I'd like to remind you that multi-accounting is forbidden in all cases, even when the keys are not used in Strategus.
Since many of you don't seem to be aware of this rule, you have a couple of days to remedy the situation by writing down the name of a character from each key and stating which one you want to keep. You can do it right here, or if you prefer anonymity, send me a PM.
Failing to do so will result in both keys being permanently banned. Don't even try the brother or friend excuse, we have ways to check and rule that out.
Don't forget to tell your clanmates/friends. If you have questions you can ask them here, spamming and trolling will get you muted.
Edit:
You are allowed to transfer money/looms to the main character you decide to keep.
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I dont have two accounts, but I was wondering why exactly it is illegal?
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again this ??
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,18515.0.html
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again this ??
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,18515.0.html
Your point?
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Your point?
me and brother using 2 PCs on same router. he is Wolves_Idzo_the_Bandit , and my is Bandit_Dado_the_Angry.
2PCs = 2 cd keys = same router.
edit: my neighbour Bandit_elsupreme_the_gnjus sometimes play on my router... IRL friends
THIS FFS ...
now we all need to post this again if wont to be sure that we dont get baned...
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me and brother using 2 PCs on same router. he is Wolves_Idzo_the_Bandit , and my is Bandit_Dado_the_Angry.
2PCs = 2 cd keys = same router.
edit: my neighbour Bandit_elsupreme_the_gnjus sometimes play on my router... IRL friends
THIS FFS ...
now we all need to post this again if wont to be sure that we dont get baned...
I didn't ask people with brothers/friends playing at their home, I asked people who multiaccount.
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I didn't ask people with brothers/friends playing at their home, I asked people who multiaccount.
ah kk my bad... :oops:
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Dunno if it includes me or not but i bought my mate Warband on steam and he only ever plays it once every few months when hes at my house. I make him use his account because he is a lazy **** who only skips the fun for a few mins/hours then gets bored.
My Main is ofc Osiris im not 100% sure what his is called but i guess i could make a hybrid for him to play instead of logging in on my comp
(just to note he never plays strat never actually plays much more then 5mins-1hour and im still not sure why its not allowed)
Its up to you if you belive the friend "excuse" as you put it but meh if i was going to use and abuse another account i would do it more then once every few months. I have tried many times to make him play but he isnt much of a grind monkey :(
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I'll say it again, this is only for those who have multiple accounts.
You don't? You're ok, no need to post here.
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I am curious how you differentiate besides IP.
I live at a dorm with more than 400 residents all sharing the same fixed external IP. I know of at least 3 that plays the game however they are both inactive. I cannot however say for sure if more are playing. It would not be entirely unlikely.
If I find my account banned I'll contact you.
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I have two accounts and I believe I got banned from Strategus as it's completely fucked right now.
I used one for a bit but then never touched it again (Klassic_Flook_ATS) which can be banned forever since I don't use it. (Lost my CD key for my original one for awhile so used my brothers who doesnt play)
However Noobie_ATS is my main and remains the same.
(I am a big cheater)
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I think you wouldn't be bothered by people posting how their brothers/friends/neighbours use the same IP if YOU would bother to explain how you want to differ those from multi accounters... if people knew how, they would know if they need to inform you or not. But as long as you play the allmighty, allseeing eye, people will be insecure.
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I think you wouldn't be bothered by people posting how their brothers/friends/neighbours use the same IP if YOU would bother to explain how you want to differ those from multi accounters... if people knew how, they would know if they need to inform you or not. But as long as you play the allmighty, allseeing eye, people will be insecure.
Fantastic idea. Especially the fact that it teaches all multi-accounters how to evade it.
How about thinking before throwing accusations around? Especially if it's something you don't know shit about.
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I expected something like this. But then I thought: "Hey, if there was something he mustn't tell them, he would know that people needed this info to know whether they need to post or not. So he wouldn't be pissed about people who posted without need."... :(
And the fact, that you must not tell the information how you differ multi accounts from multiple people playing the same game, as it could be faked by those multi account users shows that your system is not really reliable, doesn't it? :?
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I expected something like this. But then I thought: "Hey, if there was something he mustn't tell them, he would know that people needed this info to know whether they need to post or not. So he wouldn't be pissed about people who posted without need."... :(
And the fact, that you must not tell the information how you differ multi accounts from multiple people playing the same game, as it could be faked by those multi account users shows that your system is not really reliable, doesn't it? :?
Joker, I don't think you know how stuff like this works (I might be wrong, but that's my impression), because it's kinda obvious that we don't have a system that can tell you that stuff with absolute certainty - if we did, we'd probably be rich (or in jail for breaking over 9000 privacy laws). However, what we can do is pretty effective as long as people don't know the exact procedure... and they can't find it out it by trial and error, because we ban at random times, not at the exact moment one uses his second account.
Sorry if I was a little bit rude, but it annoys me when people make accusations without knowing all the details.
Unrelated:
2 people already muted for spam/trolling. Good job guys, keep going!
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Yeah, sorry if I sounded offending or unfriendly, I was just a bit pissed off by reading that you are about to ban people who use two accounts for one person which means both accounts go over the same IP, but you are leaving people alone when two or more persons are using one account each over the same IP, not telling how you differ them, and then, when people say: "Oh shit! I don't want to get banned without reason! We are the second kind of people, not the first kind, there is more of us, please do not ban us, we don't want to lose our characters!" you kind of behaved like "Oh people, stop pissing me off, I was not talking about you...". That's at least how it sounded to me. :? :wink:
And you are perfectly right, I don't have a clue about how this whole matter works. :mrgreen:
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I dont have two accounts, but I was wondering why exactly it is illegal?
Because playing c-rpg is serious business, it's important as Olympic games, World Cup and Superbowl put together.
I hope they (developers of this fine mod) will realize (before it's too late) that c-rpg is just a mod for a indie game, with no more than 5000 souls playing it and that c-rpg is nothing without its community.
My point is, they should be nicer to this community, acting less authorative and they shouldn't strive to create perfect "balance" because it seems many people (including me) find that boring.
Less serious, less rules (loose the bossy attitude), more fun, more casual is the direction they should develop this mod. Otherwise all players left will be kids who are terrified by scary cmps, chadzs, pauls and other "adults" who develop this mod.
Being terrified means they are afraid to speak their mind and are easily controlled. Also it seems that they suffer from "grind till you drop dead" illness and that must be the reason why the devs created the illusion that losing loompoint, a little bit of cheating in strategus (which only serves to spice up a bit incredibly boring strategus), multiaccounting and trolling on forums or in game are the worst things in this world.
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Less serious, less rules (loose the bossy attitude), more fun, more casual is the direction they should develop this mod. Otherwise all players left will be kids who are terrified by scary cmps, chadzs, pauls and other "adults" who develop this mod.
That's actually the direction where it's going. More casual, easier to get into.
Just check the amount of douchebags and 'LOL UMADBRAH!!!111oineleven" fail trolls ingame/forums.
Want more of those? huh.
I hope you are not serious. You want even less "law" than what it already is? Hah, members of this community never fail to amaze me.
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You're off topic, stop now.
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I have a question, Me and My girlfriend both play MnB, I always play on my Castor account, but very so often my gf plays on her seperate account Jon_Snow. The only problem is, we both use my desktop at my apartment to play the game?
so now she has to buy a her own pc just to play MnB lol?
on a slightly side note, why is it illegal and so severely punished to play MnB with the same IP?
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I couldnt get an answer to this either.
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Trust fall!
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so now she has to buy a her own pc just to play MnB lol?
Where did you get that idea?
on a slightly side note, why is it illegal and so severely punished to play MnB with the same IP?
It's not. Multi-accounting is one person having several keys.
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how can you even know if the same person has 2(or more cd keys), 2 cd keys two seperate players, how do you link them?
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I dont have two accounts, but I was wondering why exactly it is illegal?
Well, in many online games it is forbidden or a grey-zone to have more than one key, so why shouldn't it here?
With 2 keys you can get lots of advantages like exchanging equipment between your 2 characters, being able to recruit twice as many troops in strat or just being able to continue playing the game, although you have been banned on one key for being a bad boy ingame ;)
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i have two accounts, but that's because i had to convert steam key to standalone key since steam wasn't working properly for me. steam's working again so the new account isn't being used.
Reno is the one i want to keep, i think the 2nd account has Kladunk or something
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Well, in many online games it is forbidden or a grey-zone to have more than one key, so why shouldn't it here?
What???
Where did you hear that????
Nor in WoW, nor in SWTOR, nor in EVE online has anyone ever said "you cant have 2 accounts".
Quite the contrary! Companys love selling more copies of their games as it means you actually bought it again and again!
I can understand the "you cant have multi-accounts cause of Strategus" part (dubious as that may be...) but why not for normal CRPG?
Sorry for breaking off topic, just had to address the above statement.
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What???
Where did you hear that????
Nor in WoW, nor in SWTOR, nor in EVE online has anyone ever said "you cant have 2 accounts".
Quite the contrary! Companys love selling more copies of their games as it means you actually bought it again and again!
I can understand the "you cant have multi-accounts cause of Strategus" part (dubious as that may be...) but why not for normal CRPG?
Sorry for breaking off topic, just had to address the above statement.
Maybe it has changed now, but when I played WoW (several years ago now), I knew a couple of guys who were in trouble, because they had more than one key running on their computer.
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BlackMilk
blackmilky
want to keep BlackMilk, obviously
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Update:
You are allowed to transfer money/looms to the main character you decide to keep.
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I am curious how you differentiate besides IP.
I live at a dorm with more than 400 residents all sharing the same fixed external IP. I know of at least 3 that plays the game however they are both inactive. I cannot however say for sure if more are playing. It would not be entirely unlikely.
If I find my account banned I'll contact you.
They must be able to see the MAC address of the PC you connect from. So if you connect from different PCs they may think you're sharing your account with someone else (which may only be an issue if you play strategus). Or if you ever allow your bro/friend to play on their account on your PC you should probably let them know. If they play on their own PC then I'm assuming they are able to see the different MAC addresses.
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My friend from Greece is banned for long time. Since xmas is very close and he's very poor , we are gathering money to buy him another cd key so he can play crpg..
So, first cd key is not usable because he's banned because some turk guy or something couldn't mute him, is it multi acc if he starts playing with the new one?
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My friend from Greece is banned for long time. Since xmas is very close and he's very poor , we are gathering money to buy him another cd key so he can play crpg..
So, first cd key is not usable because he's banned because some turk guy or something couldn't mute him, is it multi acc if he starts playing with the new one?
It's not multiaccounting, but knowing Panos I'm quite sure it won't take long until he's banned again.
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It's not multiaccounting, but knowing beer I'm quite sure it won't take long until he's banned again.
Ty very much for your time, dear Cmp!
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My buddy sometimes plays when he's over. Does that multiaccount?
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Well it sure gets you muted if you wanna troll here...but in case you are serious i do not know how it could be made any clearer:
I didn't ask people with brothers/friends playing at their home, I asked people who multiaccount.
I'll say it again, this is only for those who have multiple accounts.
You don't? You're ok, no need to post here.
Multi-accounting is one person having several keys.
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Not sure if this matters to me or not be a just post it in case i get banned.
My main account is Dgirth12.
About a year ago i used a other cd key via steam for about a month. not used it since. cant even remember the account name. i could dig up the cd key for it you need it.
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They must be able to see the MAC address of the PC you connect from. So if you connect from different PCs they may think you're sharing your account with someone else (which may only be an issue if you play strategus). Or if you ever allow your bro/friend to play on their account on your PC you should probably let them know. If they play on their own PC then I'm assuming they are able to see the different MAC addresses.
The MAC address routing is done in a subnet per subnet basis. In a plug & play fashion. I don't see why they would have any way to get the MAC address of the cRPG client machine. The Internet doesn't need it (outside of your subnet, that is).
Anyway, MAC address spoofing is ridiculously easy.
Btw : I have another account that I used to create one STF char (back when it was "either STF or normal" on a per account basis and without cooldown), maybe a couple of months ago. I don't remember when I used it for the last time and I never registered into Strat with it. You can safely ban that key, but not my first key ofc. =)
What???
Where did you hear that????
Nor in WoW, nor in SWTOR, nor in EVE online has anyone ever said "you cant have 2 accounts".
Quite the contrary! Companys love selling more copies of their games as it means you actually bought it again and again!
I can understand the "you cant have multi-accounts cause of Strategus" part (dubious as that may be...) but why not for normal CRPG?
Sorry for breaking off topic, just had to address the above statement.
Multiaccounting is forbidden in almost all F2P games because it usually allows you to do "push", helping your first account with the easily-obtained resources of secondary accounts. And it clutters the database.
and my mother sometimes play crpg as well :( plz don;t ban uzz :(
I think he's actually serious
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... couldn't you just lie and be like "Yeah I've got a bro who plays too" ?
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... couldn't you just lie and be like "Yeah I've got a bro who plays too" ?
If you think it will work, go ahead and try.
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If you think it will work, go ahead and try.
*Insert Clint Eastwood stare*
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The MAC address routing is done in a subnet per subnet basis. In a plug & play fashion. I don't see why they would have any way to get the MAC address of the cRPG client machine. The Internet doesn't need it (outside of your subnet, that is).
Anyway, MAC address spoofing is ridiculously easy.
Yes, spoofing mac addresses is relatively easy and pretty much anyone can follow a tutorial on how to do it. I doubt many people would go through the effort. If you run windows packet capture with ethereal I'm pretty sure you get the mac address when a client communicates with your PC, so obviously the mac address information is sent when completing the network handshake when a client connects to a server.
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so am i cleared now, cmp?
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If you think it will work, go ahead and try.
*Insert Clint Eastwood stare*
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Hello, I want to ask
I T_sgt_zDevilBox and my brother Gregari, we play 2 computers simultaneously, whether it means Multiaccounting? And whether we will receive for it ban?
If yes, that to us to do?
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only playing with my 2nd key once a week but if i must prefer one.
Keep "Kocik"
Kill "Fikirtepeli"
cheers