Anyway my point was that the light crossbow shouldn't have a faster arrow speed than bows for the balance reasons I added. If both crossbows and bows are increased, or only the sniper that might be a different matter. Bows cower in fear of the throwing overlords, too. ^^
Wake up, there was dmg nerf for xbows. We live in postpatch time, not prepatch!
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Im scared, that chadz gonna see what you posted and then will do it. And post an evil post in this topic such like:
I see no reason why xbow's should receive any buff at all. Certainly I don't see why a 1-shot kill should be sped up to where it can't be dodged by an aware opponent over range.
If xbows are the red-headed stepchild to throwing, then NERF throwing. Xbows need 0 buff in any way. That slow draw speed and flight speed BALANCE that huge PIERCE damage type that 1-shots most people on the battlefield.
I've seen some pretty annoying (nasty) guys with light crossbows on horsies.
They're anti cav and they hurt a lot when they charge at someone and fire that bolt close range. Speedbonus makes the bolt deadly.
It would still take multiple bolts to kill people, but if you take out the horses on 3 enemy cavs, you saved the lives of at least 3 teammates.
dedicated x-bowers suck.
You can still do good with 1 in crossbow wpf. If anything there should be a bigger hit on people with 1 xbow wpf and a much bigger boost to dedicated or hybrid xbowers.
currently reports show that wpf for crossbows is practicly capped around 135 in terms of accuracy.
So you're paying a lot of gold and consuming a lot of upkeep for a weapon which you will fire maybe once or twice per round and score 0.1 kills with it on average. Doesn't make sense, or makes sense only on camping fortress maps.
Looking at x-bows without any thought of a mechanic buff or nerf, this is my single biggest issue with x-bows. The upkeep is redonkulous given that during an AVERAGE round you may shoot it twice unless you're camping some nigh unreachable roof, in which case everyone votekicks you anyways rendering that strategy moot half the time.
Overall, I think crossbows are fine, and the only thing I'd do is to make it rain less often.This is the one thing that needs to be changed as xbow is the only weapon to suffer a penalty from rain afaik.
Second:
Make that so every point above 150 wpf in xbows still gives actual advantage. For now, one person did some tests and it shows, that there is no point in putting in xbows more than 150 wpf. I would like to put 180 in xbows, but it doesnt matter - i say: give us more accuracy if we are going to put wpfs above 150 points.
Discuss.
just increasing the reload speed
Well... while I don't know what sorts of maps you play on NA servers, on EU servers on some maps playing as a crossbowman ( I was a crossbow/polearm hybrid last gen with more crossbow wpf of course) makes sense and nets you kills - but to score 3-4 kills in a round with a crossbow you'll need a good position, wpf (since you will be firing from range and even if you didn't you want the reload speed) and a bit of luck. However, on many maps it's more efficient to just melee, even if your char is crossbow oriented (but on the other hand a crossbow oriented char isn't gimped in melee, so it's not a problem).
Of course the crossbow pays off when you shoot some really good lancer's horse or assassinate some hero melee fighter, since that sort of thing wins rounds.
But my point is, unless you're going to play as a crossbowman, meaning spend most of the round firing the crossbow rather then charging around like a normal infantryman, it just doesn't make sense really to carry one. Consumes a lot of upkeep, weighs you down, and if you aren't playing as a crossbowman you'll be able to fire it once or twice. You're better off with throwing as a sidearm, or hell, even a bow, because these things can be fired on the move (bow not so much as throwing, but eg strongbow you can stop for a moment, fire, and resume moving, something impossible to do with a crossbow).
Overall, I think crossbows are fine, and the only thing I'd do is to make it rain less often.
I guess you mainly care about HorseCrossbowman.
What?
Who's even mentioned those people? I don't think anyone cares about horse xbowmen. They're like HA's with downs.
What?
Who's even mentioned those people? I don't think anyone cares about horse xbowmen. They're like HA's with downs.
Triple sniper xbow, steel bolts, full black armor, plated charger. Best build ever.
Thanks to me, Rache and few others, who were The First Horse Crossbowmen/women ;)
i think something should be done, so wpf from 150+ in xbows gives a big(ger) advantage, as crosbows are good for hybrids now, but dedicated x-bowers suck.
You can still do good with 1 in crossbow wpf. If anything there should be a bigger hit on people with 1 xbow wpf and a much bigger boost to dedicated or hybrid xbowers.
For "How to play a crossbowman" look at DaveUKR.
What?
Who's even mentioned those people? I don't think anyone cares about horse xbowmen. They're like HA's with downs.
Thanks to me, Rache and few others, who were The First Horse Crossbowmen/women ;)
Also, take a look. I am not the best HC ever, but, well... see it yourself.
which shows crossbows are fine