WHAAAAA
LOOK AT ME! I SUCK SO HARD I CANNOT UPKEEP MY ITEMS! AND WITHOUT MY ITEMS I SUCK EVEN HARDER!
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Jim
Jim
I'm trying to be constructive
Prove that there is a balance problem.
All the cavalry on one side.
All the ranged roof/hillhuggers are on one side.
All the clans are on one side, vs randoms matches.
Shitton of 5-0, 5-1 matches.
Enough?
I am an archer and I have severe trouble in making money. from first gen lvl 1 to lvl 30 I have finaly reached 30k of gold.
That includes a donation of 20k from CoWorm to get my equipment.
Is it intended to earn so few money? If so, then how do people have money to buy loom points anyway?
I ride a rouncy, use a light crossbow/bolts, and have a sword in board in chain gear. That's hardly over-powered.
All of those are caused by upkeep now?
why is it stupid? I´m clanless atm and I use mostly byzantium banner (because I like it), but when I see one clan (like nords) owning the server, I switch my banner. Wheres the problem?
No. I'm talking about team balance.
I thought this thread was about upkeep.
Let me guess, you use the best bow (one of the top) and the best arrows...Saranid outfit, tatar bow, normal arrows?
Well yeah use the best gear and it is supposed to be hard to make money.
Warlord - that's just stupid. And obviously points out there's a balance problem if people have to scam a clan banner to break even.
Horses are supposed to be expensive and hard to upkeep. You'd be doing fine without a hawrse.
What is your wpf for the crossbow and sword? Break chance is related to that now.
That's no ToD avatar :?
In any regard, this is my observation over the last few months. Longer-term folks can mock it all they want, but after playing as many games as I have over the years, I can sort of see imbalance when it occurs. I'm sure others of you can see it too.
NERD
So its scamming when a clanless players changes his banner from time to time? Oh yes, permaban me please.
Simple. You hop into their colours just in the favour of milking the stupid multiplier.
They leave, other clan starts to own, you switch to their colours like a treacherous snake, and milk the multiplier even more.
That's top grade abooz of the feature.
Say what you want, Xant. I'm also a programmer. And you know what I'm talking about if you've played more than 2 or three games consistently. Don't be obtuse simply to be disagreeable.
Lies.
. stop using your horse every single map.
He is horse crossbowman. What would you expect?
He is horse crossbowman. What would you expect?
To Adapt, get off the damn horse until he gets a stack of gold to maintain his full gear.
Duh.
But how he can dismount - there are mob of angry killers with 20\1 KD, waiting for him.
Saranid outfit, tatar bow, normal arrows?
He is horse crossbowman. What would you expect?
Tbh upkeep is stupid. It only shows that they are incompetent to properly balance this mod.
And while you're at it, take out banner balance, because that also does nothing but creates a great deal of in-equality as well. How many nights do I log on, and stay consistently at 1X because--
And while you're at it, take out banner balance
Hold it. I think this is your problem. Once you get better at the game, you will help your team achieve a constant higher multiplier. Once this happens, you will be able to make money on much more equipment.
Yeah well clanstack using TS wins, as it should be. If you are losing, start teamplaying, join a clan.
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But the upkeep could use a new system where it doenst just pick random items somedays you just out of luck and repair your FX plate mittens x7 times in a row.......
My record is x8 times in a row atm :shock:
So even with total worth of gear say 30k you still not safe for some random upkeep shitstorm :mrgreen:
I've been playing c-rpg for about 4 months now, and it's a really enjoyable mod. However, after certain patches, the upkeep costs for even moderate gear have become un-coverable.
I refuse to play this any longer - the devs guys merely exaggerated a problem that already existed - High level, super-long term players can run around in full plate without an issue, while people who are relatively new to the game have to run around in sub-par gear all the time. The result is a few awesome players that get 20 and 1 KD ratios, and then the rest of us who are merely fodder.
You can call this what you will - a rant, a whine, etc. But I refuse to play a game where I can't even play with the gear that I own consistently.
And before anyone says "Sell a loom point" - go screw - there's no reason I should have to sell a point that takes so god-awful long to accrue, simply so I can use my gear.
I'm done.
Jim
If some few people Cough!! Cough!! Georges Cough!! wanna run around in full plate armor swining a flamberge but paying the price by retiring and selling loom points let him idc.....
Perhaps you should play on the servers without banner balance then, problem solved, why bother the rest of us? If you remove banner balance 80% of this mod would stop playing.
I have a hard time making gold too. I can break even (seemingly) with like 40k worth of stuff on a 1h/shield build. If I'm under that I make money for sure. If I try to use anything too fancy (plate mittens, or bring an xbow too many rounds) then I get hit too hard and have to stop for a while.
What helps is the marketplace. Sure, you can sell loompoints and get a big influx, and then buy a cheaper loom with the money, but that's not what I mean. I consistently trade on the market while I'm levelling, and it really helps my income. Out of every few trades I may make 10k or 20k (or more!) and it really helps. Or you can sell your loom, buy a cheaper one, and try to sell it for more money. Do that a few times and it really helps supplement your income!
Yes, you may get burned a few times (buying an item too high, or having to sell it too low) but then you learn what the items are worth. It's really fun! :)
Example: I am gen 4, but I have 5 gens worth of looms. :D This is all from trading, selling, and re-trading my way up! Plus I've got a nice buffer for upkeep.
Try the market dood...it's like a game within a game. Also, the more people that participate, the funner it is!
edit: ALSO i've tried like every good 1h weapon in loomed form. Trading around lets you try all kinds of shit. Fun as hell.
That actually worked very well in the first months of the marketplace. Back then one could easily do 100k of profit with two deals. But now that the marketplace is invaded by us traders and the majority of players are decently informed, you can't make much. Typically 10% profit out of invested money after a few days.
I love how roughly three-quarters of the people here respond "Obviously, it's your problem newb - i have no trouble maintaining my armor" when they're the obviously board trolls that live here - AKA old players in clans for the most part.
Look, I have no idea how to balance it - but there is a problem. It's not just me that's saying that, so I feel pretty justified in the complaint. However balance is done, it's screwing new players.
I challenge any one you to take off your banner and then try to maintain your gear with under 10K banked for a week - I'm certain you'll see what I mean.
And once again - this thread is directed at chadz, not the board trolls. I have already seen the population of C-rpg drop just in the time I've been online. Does he want to see it drop more? Because it will - new games out, etc. And not being able to consistently play 1.) a fair match against roughly the same geared/skilled people and instead getting stomped night after night by the supposed 'balance' system and 2.) not being able to use gear you purchase that's hardly high-end is going to drain players. Mock and laugh and say "Don't let the door hit you in the ass" all you want, but I've already seen the result of some of the changes on the player base.
so PM chadz and don't do a public thread if you don't want to read the other players opinion... but if you think old veterans in big clans are just forum trolls, then feel free to not follow advices.WHAT? You make 10k/hour when using all your top tier shit? That's impossible.
and no... i don't bank billions... when i have 350-400k usually i buy a heirloom point and my bank go back to 30-40k. now i play maybe 10-15 hours per month and i can pretty much buy a heirloom point every three months (so with 30-45 play hours in full 60k gear).
but being a cavalry is a totally different thing. i have a cav alt and i can maybe use the arabian warhorse only when i have x3 or x4 multi... but medium armor, lance, long war axe and rouncey is easly upkeeped with anything greater than x2. polearms are still effective on foot so i don't mind being a support pikeman or poleaxe shieldbreaker 50% of the time.
also high gen characters still get the same money as 1gen players do.
another hint. when you retire and you get back to level1, by the time you get level 25, you should have made at least 50-60k because there is no upkeep till level 26. want to make money fast? respec or retire as soon as you can. builds start rolling for good from level 15-16 so you have plenty of upkeep-free time to raise your funds.
WHAT? You make 10k/hour when using all your top tier shit? That's impossible.
1. play your toon to 31
2. check the market for highly sought after looms
3. retire and loom that item
4. sell your new heirloom for an absurd sum
5. play in plate and helmet with gilded mustache till your next retirement.
(I am pretty sure that there should be a "profit" in the list somewhere)
Remember that you need the helmet with the gilded mustache. That is very important.
I have already seen the population of C-rpg drop just in the time I've been online.
my US_Cavalry alt.
with my US_Cavalry alt.
Omg thats you?! You horse killer, I'll def hunt you even more when I see you now.
Upkeep works, just don't be stupid with your money. You use crossbow and bolts, expensive 1h and expensive shield, helmet, chest, gloves and boots, and on top of that A HORSE. Sure its all medium gear, but you're carrying a lot of different items and they add up.
This is what I did when I played cav.
x1 light armor on foot, 1h weapon, crappy shield
x2 medium armor on foot, 1h weapon, medium shield
x3 medium armor on horse, 1h weapon, medium shield
x4 heavy armor on armoured horse, 1h weapon, good shield
x5 heavy armor on armoured horse, 1h weapon, good shield, xbow or a lance
I ALWAYS made money if I upgraded my gear depending on multiplier.
And you're 4th gen, how are you a new player? By 4th gen you should have at least a few hundred thousand in the bank, unless you blew it all on looms, or was stupid and didn't manage your money right. If so, you deserve to be poor.
Hey dude, I just told you I did that. I hovered at 10k for months actually, until my recent retirement where I made 80k leveling back up to 30. Now I wear my 80k+ worth of gear almost every round, and am down to 70k.
I challenge any one you to take off your banner and then try to maintain your gear with under 10K banked for a week - I'm certain you'll see what I mean.
As melee, I have never ever had to consider upkeep when deciding what I want to wear. And my usual amount of gold is 3000, as I keep buying new stuff and then selling it to buy something else. So yeah, I think your rant is exaggerated, rather than the upkeep.
Anyhow, adios.
don't lie about your bank please...
As for the original topic of the thread. I agree that upkeep is not the perfect solution, but it's clearly the best one anyone's been able to come up with so far.
As far as I know you didn't even ask the community for different solutions before announcing the upkeep patch... :?
As melee, I have never ever had to consider upkeep when deciding what I want to wear. And my usual amount of gold is 3000, as I keep buying new stuff and then selling it to buy something else. So yeah, I think your rant is exaggerated, rather than the upkeep.
Anyhow, adios.
I just hope that when I start playing again (in about 4 months) c-rpg will not be dead and upkeep will be removed and game properly balanced.
Upkeep is doing fine job but I never liked it and never will. They need to figure out how to balance the mod without upkeep.
I'm done.ok, James. I'll see you in 2-3 weeks maybe less ;P
Jim
The total cost of all my gear is 87k and I still break even or only lose less than 5k gold a day. If anything upkeep costs are still too low.
It would be nice if the developers would implement a system which doesn't depend on luck and constant "losing" of something ( = gold), but more on a system to balance the effectiveness of different classes and levels, without limiting them in their possibilities. I suggested a system with a maximum value of equipment, depending on your level, which can be raised by sacrificing skill points. And god knows this is not the only possible solution. But unfortunately the decision was made to have the player "worry" all the time about different things, a system which punishes failure, instead of rewarding success, like a good game does.
Sure, upkeep is working more or less. This doesn't mean it was the best solution... or even a good one... there are so many ways to achieve balance, what made you decide for upkeep, without at least asking the community for alternative ideas? I don't say you had to make a poll about the best suggestions and then being bound to create what the community voted for, but on the other hand I know alternatives, which if you compare the pros and cons to the upkeep system clearly outmatch latter.
Really, I think the only reason why cRPG is persisting that long is because of the lack of alternatives. The game design and the crappy community with its enormous amount of wannabe-funny trolls is almost unbearable. To me, at least.
I'll change it right away.
then send them to chadz if your alternatives are sooooo much better...
all those people knowing how to cure everything but never start doing it but rather rant about everything.
How about a system which doesn't have any upkeep at all, but you have to invest skill points to exceed a certain value of equipment? This way we have all dice rolls removed, your performance ingame will be more predictable, and in theory you can run around with whatever equipment you want, AS LONG as you want.
When you put it like that, it doesn't sound so horrible. Might consider it if we ever decide to completely change the game again :P