Nvm.Can I spam too ? :D
nice screenshots of people quitting bro, you lack the screens of them being in spec then going to the other team
nice try though
It is a testament to the popularity of Chaos that rulebreaking from their members go unpunished. I made a ban request topic for Mentok's intentional teamkill that has since gone unpunished. Have witnessed many admins viewing said forum, and even said topic, with no comments. It now has 36 views with no other posts.Sir...
Idlewild
You know that it is not just banner balance that moved your players to one team. You speak of GTXting to play another game, and yet you didnt even "leave" for a whole minute. Neither did Robin, neither did Dexxtaa.
Corruption among Admins! Draw heads similar to their irl looks and put them on pikes over walls next siege map!
:twisted:
I am but a humble messenger wishing to move past this damn 1x.
instead of being a detective, why dont u get some kills (which you didnt have in any of your screenshots) help ur team win n mite not have an x1 all the time..... just a thought
I skipped over most of the thread except a few pictures but what you're saying is a team of 30 can't handle 3 people!?
TKoV
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I am but a humble messenger wishing to move past this damn 1x.Quoting thyself.. ye mewling milksop, go change they undergarments.
Good afternoon fellow CRPG'ers!
Detective Idlewild has put together much time and effort (an hour maybe) to put forth this great travesty! We recently had a very large thread that disputed the Grey Order's use of autobalance and how they would exploit it to be on the same team. After much discussion, a dev enforced that this is against the rules. Infact a well known, albeit generally disliked, player on NA (spook) was recently banned for it.
Familiar faces for many? (Apologies for large image size)
All on the same team, coincidence? Perhaps...(click to show/hide)
Normal Banner balance nothing to see here
Another round, same thing...(click to show/hide)
Normal banner balance nothing to see here
Robin_Longstride's offence(click to show/hide)
Why no scoreboard up? Robin probably just left the server
Last round of the map (Robin was put back)(click to show/hide)
How do we know this SS was after the last screen? There is no proof of anything going on here.
New map, our very own NA Admin Ganner abusing the rules!(click to show/hide)
Wheres the scoreboard, this is most likely me leaving the server or getting auto balanced.
Dexxtaa's offence(click to show/hide)
Dexx left the server, book it, done.
This example was removed, 50/50 chance of autobalance vs. intentional.
Sendir's offence(click to show/hide)
Again no scoreboard proving anything
Clearly, Chaos is circumventing the rules and are even pushed by appropriately titled BADMIN, Ganner! It makes it very very hard for the opposing team to even move past a 2x multiplyer, if they even get that far, and really ruins the fun.
Please address this gross web of deceit devs/admins!
Sincerely,
Detective Idlewild
lol what are u goin to make a thread about how we should be banned?? The problem is the server size... this is what happens when the server, with 40 people or less, consists of a few banners.... this happens on haven all the time.. 8 haven, 8 tkov, n 8 chaos with a few randoms and u often get 17 12 ratios and one team with a x5 for a long time
I agree with you, it can happen, but those are some screenshots of Chaos members within the same 2-3 maps killing themselves and coming back almost immediately. What I can prove outright is that Ganner is lying when he said he GTX to play other games, you can see him back again in the next screenshot which I have reposted for that purpose.(click to show/hide)
As well, Ganner's claim that it was predominantly banner balance putting clans on the same team is a lie. That screenshots show 4vs3 chaos members in the first round.
Except thats EXACTLY how banner balance works. After the first round happens THEN it balances banners to the same team.
Know how the system works before you accuse people of exploiting.
People who bannerstack are my old friends, and if chaos does it they're my old friends.
but i doubt it, CHAOs members have enough e-peen that they don't need to banner stack.
TL;DR: I have no idea how any of this works but I feel qualified to make an authoratitive thread about it and sling shit around.
i can vouch for most chaos members that i know, theses guys dont need to do that crap
But ill add this : Banner balance is the purest form of OP evilness in every possible way , im sick of fighting multiples clans on the same team since BB is retarded enough to put them all on the same side,
Gdamn it devs ! do something about it , i dont mind fighting clans (added challenge) but not all the freaking time
Find a differant way to balance teams ( BB is not the solution to fair teams and never will ) especially when clan stack lead to disatrous results in terms of troops diversity
Dude you are retarded, autobalance balances people with the same banner on the same team, sometimes it stacks teams badly and sometimes it doesn't seem to work well at all. Getting screenshots of people GTXting and then rejoining the server a few minutes later (something I do alot) is NOT abusing autobalance. From when I was in Chaos NOONE even mentioned trying to abuse autobalance because I assume they don't know how to do it, just because for a few rounds all the good players managed to stay on the same team without getting balanced off it does not mean there is some sort of abuse going on.
Here have a screenshot of how fucked up autobalance is already without needing anyone to abuse it(Any chance to post my scoreboard.jpgs!)(click to show/hide)
For added humor: I also checked Idlewild's forum profile just for shits and giggles.
Since registration on Oct 2nd, he made (excluding the ones in this thread) a grand total of 5 posts.
4 of them are ban requests.
What does this proof? Nothing.
But either he is a walking detector of severe ingame offenses or he takes his video games a tad too seriously and has trouble fitting into an online community.
I would not recommend to quit your daytime job, "detective".
Also, you Chaos guys are taking this so seriously, makes me think maybe you are suiciding on purpose!
Blanket ban NA.
It is only way
Solution : apply for Chaos. Get in TS more, we'd love to talk to you again. Now we have more KWEBECOIS for you to French with.
In complete contrast to yourself, who has 48 pages of posts. As crpg is generally a niche game, you spend entirely too much time here. Your stats, which I "checked for shits and giggles" shows that you have spent 17 whole days here + 5 hours. You have literally spent 413 hours on this forum. Which doesn't include the time you dedicate to your beloved clan.
A game to me is just that, a game. I report people who take away fun from the general community so that everyone can enjoy it. Not just those who have played the longest or are the most skilled.
If you would like my recommendation, it would be that you stop telling others to get a life, and probably get one yourself. Maybe even get a girlfriend. But, judging by your use of furry, boyfriend, gay pictures and other stuff just from your first page of posts, a boyfriend would be more appropriate.
Idlewild
thats not a solution Dexx! thats a bandaid ! :D
in other news i saw you got robin in chaos , good find!
In complete contrast to yourself, who has 48 pages of posts. As crpg is generally a niche game, you spend entirely too much time here. Your stats, which I "checked for shits and giggles" shows that you have spent 17 whole days here + 5 hours. You have literally spent 413 hours on this forum. Which doesn't include the time you dedicate to your beloved clan.
A game to me is just that, a game. I report people who take away fun from the general community so that everyone can enjoy it. Not just those who have played the longest or are the most skilled.
If you would like my recommendation, it would be that you stop telling others to get a life, and probably get one yourself. Maybe even get a girlfriend. But, judging by your use of furry, boyfriend, gay pictures and other stuff just from your first page of posts, a boyfriend would be more appropriate.
Idlewild
If anything they're guilty of leeching by suiciding at the start of the round, not abusing banner balance. Enough with the accusations until you get some definitive proof.
Also, you Chaos guys are taking this so seriously, makes me think maybe you are suiciding on purpose!
Edit: Can it be thread lock tiem?
Doesn't make up for the hole you and Pew left in our hearts when you left.
If it is really my misunderstanding, which can happen assuredly (I am a new player after all), then perhaps it would be best to request a punishment for those that did circumvent the balance? I have pretty good proof for Robin and Ganner doing this. Robin is shown in his screenshots both before and after his quit, which placed him on the same team as his Chaos members. And Ganner has said that he "GTX to play other games" but came back within 1-2 rounds, on the majority Chaos team.
I don't appreciate being attacked when I bring up an issue to the general community, it would have been a lot better to point out that I may be wrong. Instead I was attacked by members of Chaos and admins who are in Chaos.
Idlewild
worth a lock...
Idlemind, maybe ask Chaos guys for duel tips - never hurts to ask!
If it is really my misunderstanding, which can happen assuredly (I am a new player after all), then perhaps it would be best to request a punishment for those that did circumvent the balance? I have pretty good proof for Robin and Ganner doing this. Robin is shown in his screenshots both before and after his quit, which placed him on the same team as his Chaos members. And Ganner has said that he "GTX to play other games" but came back within 1-2 rounds, on the majority Chaos team.
I don't appreciate being attacked when I bring up an issue to the general community, it would have been a lot better to point out that I may be wrong. Instead I was attacked by members of Chaos and admins who are in Chaos.
Idlewild
Is Chaos too big for NA?
Chaos owns the server is this okay or should we return to how it was?
I am not embarrasing myself in any way, I brought up an issue, and brought proof which an impartial admin suggested was suspicious. If that's all I need to assure that you guys will generally stop circumventing autobalance and give a fairer shot to other players, then that's great. And if some of your members do decide to continue breaking the rules, I will have better screenshots. But I generally think it'll stop for a while.
Idlewild
I am not embarrasing myself in any way, I brought up an issue, and brought proof which an impartial admin suggested was suspicious.
The real problem is retarded Balance , its the main reason why people try to switch to others teams or quit or stay dead after joined a team if their team is bad or stay spec and wait for other to joins to "choose" their team etc etc...
Once a robust balance system is done , theses situations will rarely happen and we wont go witchhunting on big clans because banner balance is FAIL ( cant blame clans on this )
So, you admit your ignorance, you prove that you do not understand the system you are claiming we exploit, but instead of apologizing you continue to accuse me and my clan mates of exploiting
Forgive me if i never take anything you ever say seriously.
If what Idlewild is trying to prove mistaken, then how exactly does one prove that a clan is abusing banner balance? Screenshots are far from definitive proof, so how exactly does one prove abuse? Is there even a definitive way?
This is constructive! It seems as if these admins ask for screenshots of the perpetrators in spec, however people can skip over that by leaving the server and coming back, then quickly going to the team they want. If they lose their multiplier I would assume they would most likely do this when they are at 1x. Also, it is very hard to take a screenshot of someone in spec as the hotkey for screenshots is Ctrl+Insert. Doing this while holding tab doesn't work, in my case I had to quickly press the hotkey when I let go of tab. It only worked about half the time. As well, someone who leaves the server and comes back to quickly join another team has a much better chance than a witness trying to get a screenshot that only works half the time, and you have to scroll down each time to check when the server is even moderately full. Try doing that everytime you attempt a screenshot, its really difficult.
Idlewild
screenshots dont work well , a fraps video with tab pressed all the time is much better
but lets not go witch hunting on theses guys , Chaos are cocky but they dont cheat the system
In other news , i was wondering why spook was no longer in sieges , hes one heck of a system aboozer , good thing he got dealt with
If what Idlewild is trying to prove mistaken, then how exactly does one prove that a clan is abusing banner balance? Screenshots are far from definitive proof, so how exactly does one prove abuse? Is there even a definitive way?
i can vouch for most chaos members that i know, theses guys dont need to do that crap
But ill add this : Banner balance is the purest form of OP evilness in every possible way , im sick of fighting multiples clans on the same team since BB is retarded enough to put them all on the same side,
Gdamn it devs ! do something about it , i dont mind fighting clans (added challenge) but not all the freaking time
Find a differant way to balance teams ( BB is not the solution to fair teams and never will ) especially when clan stack lead to disatrous results in terms of troops diversity
After all, all he said was: I am new, I don't like to be on the loosing team, I don't understand how banner balance works, I accuse a whole clan of foul play anyway, even if I was wrong, somebody should get punished, you guys are mean.
/CHAOS OUT
This about sums it up Mano.
Besides, if we're rolling a x5, why the fuck would we disconnect from the server to reconnect with a x1 even if it means being on the Chaos team? Seriously. You're thinking like a pubbie casual peasant.
If you are on the other team you will not keep a 5x like the other chaos members, you will lose it that round anyways when the Chaos dominant team wins. I thought this was obvious. Maybe you need to think a little more.
Idlewild
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That's Dynamike.
Idlewild you seem to play this game just to try and get people banned.
Don't be silly. If we disconnected, we not only lose our x5, we also gamble at being on the Chaos team, or the other. It's a gamble, you small minded peasant prick.
In the big scheme of things, multipliers are meaningless to us. I leave on 5Xs all the time.
If we end up on the non-Chaos dominant team, we not only lose our chance at milking the last round of x5, we lose it early and are stuck with a x1.
Reconnecting to the server doesn't guarantee us a spot on the Chaos team, you impudent plebian. I'm done wasting my time with you. You think at one angle, without regard to any other possibility. I have lost all respect for you and I'll take pleasure looking for you on the servers.
I recoil at thinking I used to have a measure of respect for you. I've been watching you for a few weeks, and I'm happy to see your combat skill develop, and I was going to ask you to hop on the TS server one fine day. And then you post this rubbish.
This thread is ultimately a waste of time, riddled with lies and false accusations. I will say this one last time :
CHAOS DOES NOT ABUSE ANY KIND OF BALANCE MECHANIC.
WE ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME PARAMETERS THAT ANY OTHER FIGHTER ON THE SERVER IS SUBJECTED TO.
I will see you on the servers, Idlewild. Good luck trying to get us banned.
Also, good luck in finding a clan. You'll need a lot of friends to save you from us.
Good day.
I would like to drop my affiliation with CHAOS's good rep for a moment and extend a large, SIT THE FUCK DOWN. to the honorable detective. This court is adjourned. Please learn to spell "offence" correctly. It is an S instead of a C. I would recommend paying attention in your english classes.
-Signed,
An English chocolate chip cookie.
Seriously, to all Chaos members:
/CHAOS OUT
Good luck to you, Idle.
Aww. I like NA drama.
You are calling someone inbred when you sign your posts on a forum that shows your name to the left of every post.
BADPLAYER.
It's to prevent the last line being mistaken for a signature. Jeez you guys not trying, blinded by rage, or actually retarded?it looky pretentious.
Idlewild
I think you must be living in some kind of parrallel dimension where everything you posted in this thread as "proof" of chaos bypassing the autobalance system didn't get totally shredded as totally worthless.
And don't worry, I know you are. Must be Texas, or Louisiana....what's wrong with Texans and Louisian..ans?
...what's wrong with Texans and Louisian..ans?
Badplayer.The fact that you refer to three states (in an offensive way) due to someone's posts on an online forum board shows your ignorance. (and the fact that I'm responding to it shows mine!)
But on second thought I revise to Alabama.
Idlewild
The fact that you refer to three states (in an offensive way) due to someone's posts on an online forum board shows your ignorance. (and the fact that I'm responding to it shows mine!)
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/02/justice/texas-video-beating/Congratulations, one incident..of course that shows a whole state...
Alabama - Inbred
Louisiana - Racist
Thrown in with the wrong lot earth,
4 down
Idlewild
17 days, 400+ hours of your life gone on a forum in a year. That's more than an hour a day everyday. At 10/hr you'd have 40k minus taxes if you spent your time being constructive.
3 down
Keep em coming
And don't worry, I know you are. Must be Texas, or Louisiana.
17 days, 400+ hours of your life gone on a forum in a year. That's more than an hour a day everyday. At 10/hr you'd have 40k minus taxes if you spent your time being constructive.
3 down
Keep em coming
And don't worry, I know you are. Must be Texas, or Louisiana.
Congratulations, one incident..of course that shows a whole state...
What a weird signature....
Anyways, let this thread die guys, he won't listen to anything anyway.
TKoV
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Are you saying next as in trolling about us on forums or pretending to be sherlock holmes and then creating a BS thread about us? obviousfailtrollisobviouslyafailtrollPS you did not miss much.
PS I skipped a bunch of pages
PS you did not miss much.
Idlemind
Offense is the preferred spelling in American English, while offence is preferred everywhere else. Both are real words, and neither is superior to the other. Theyre exactly the same in all their definitions.
Go back to school you uncultured dumbass amerikkkan, you're such a poser.
So we'll never see badplayer or 7000bc reply after the hole I tore them, taking out the Chaos trash one by one. Stooping to Chaos level is pretty fun guys.
Idlewild
Everything you've said and screenshotted does not indicate very much, Idlewild, however I will do my best to make sure my clan members reaffirm their obeyance of the server rules. If I see them breaking rules such as actually bypassing autobalance and not just being switched due to bannerbalance I will issue them their bans myself, assuming someone else doesn't handle it first. I am in a good position in this case, however, because of my near-constant contact with each member who's playing.
My bias towards my clanmates only goes as far as my trusting them when I issue a warning to them, which I can do outside of the server chat, conveniently. It is bad for business to have a clan with rampant rulebreakers, and as such I do my best to avoid such a thing.
Your screens show a bunch of score boards with absolutely zero proof of any rule breaking. I don't think you can get any more impartial than an EU admin with no ties whatsoever to a NA clan, so can this be dropped now?
Admins can be partial, I have kicked, muted, banned and even permabanned clan mates, and I am not the only one.
Have faith, some people know how to shoot straight without playing favorites.
It is impractical hence the -1 it was nothing personal.
Referees are
1 past their prime and no longer able to participate, where as we are still very much able to play
2 paid... Where as we don't get squat if in spectator... And we die often when posting chat warnings... Did I mention how much gold and xp we don't get due to wasting depending on the day 20% to 50% of our time in spectator mode?
Though I admit a clan just for NA admins would amuse me to no end... If the BADMIN clan really gets rolling, it would be hilarious... However... It takes an active member well above normal levels to make a suitable Admin, and the vast majority of the above normal active members are part of clans due to clans being a fundumental aspect of cRPG.
3 I get lonely if playing by myself... So I would stop playing if you remove the social aspect of a clan... I need people to listen to, and sometimes even talk to, it makes me happy and carefree...
I want to ask admins here as i can't see what you consifer as proof enough or not.
Would these proof of a bypassing autobalance:
1- Dawid the grey on blue team http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/mb50x.jpg/
2- he switches to spec http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/mb53f.jpg/
3- And he is among his clan now http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/mb55v.jpg/
So such thing is proof of bypassing?
I'm not an admin but this is obvious bypassing.
Oh joy how I love this community.
gentlemen, there is only one solution
blanket ban NA
gentlemen, there is only one solution
blanket ban NA
or give Wookie admin powers!