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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Savaris on October 30, 2011, 08:20:17 am

Title: Rapier Sword
Post by: Savaris on October 30, 2011, 08:20:17 am
I really like the Rapier Sword maybe see as far to get it into the cRPG mod! I found a model "don't know if you can use it or even want to pay for it."

http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-rapier-sword/387787 (http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-rapier-sword/387787)

Stats could be around the same as the Long Espada Eslavona with a trade with more cut for less pierce

weapon length: 100
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 100
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 30 Cut
slots: 1
Cost: 11,500

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just a guess change it all you like

Let me know what you think!
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Digglez on October 30, 2011, 09:25:25 am
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A rapier is a slender, sharply pointed sword, ideally used for thrusting attacks, used mainly in Early Modern Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries

Doesnt fit cRPG timeframe at all.


30c? more like 15-20c.  Rapiers were so ineffective at cut that duels would often end in one or both duelists bleeding to death.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: gazda on October 30, 2011, 09:37:40 am
plus, that model you found, costs 35 dollars
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on October 30, 2011, 10:27:10 am
Doesnt fit cRPG timeframe at all.


30c? more like 15-20c.  Rapiers were so ineffective at cut that duels would often end in one or both duelists bleeding to death.

No. It depends on the rapier. Many people think "rapier" only means the thrusting weapon that practically can't cut at all, it doesn't.

Regardless, we rather need this.

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Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Siiem on October 30, 2011, 10:34:54 am
Doesnt fit cRPG timeframe at all.


30c? more like 15-20c.  Rapiers were so ineffective at cut that duels would often end in one or both duelists bleeding to death.

cRPG timeline = Whatever chadz deems ok. There is no real time frame.

And also, as much as I hate bringing this show into any of this. Deadliest warrior had a weapon on a recent episode called espada ropera or whatever, it could cut just as well as a sabre. However I realize they can't in game for balance sake.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 30, 2011, 10:55:50 am
I say yes. Only because "RAPIERS AT DAWN, SIR! I DEMAND SATISFACTION!"

Should only be able to chamberblock :P
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: zagibu on October 30, 2011, 01:44:09 pm
The problem with the model is not the price, but that it's high poly (4000 polygons) and thus unfitting for a game.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Skysong on October 30, 2011, 05:18:05 pm
And also, as much as I hate bringing this show into any of this. Deadliest warrior had a weapon on a recent episode called espada ropera or whatever, it could cut just as well as a sabre. However I realize they can't in game for balance sake.
I wouldn't use Deadliest warrior as reference for anything at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqC_squo6X4 watch starting from 12:00 and you'll see how fail they are.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on October 30, 2011, 05:40:53 pm
Everyone knows it's amazingly crap (although arguably entertaining sometimes) but those weapon tests are "fairly" accurate when it comes to cutting power of melee weapons. If they can cut well with an espada ropera.

Wow that link, the guy speaking is about as good at keeping interest as a below-average maths teacher. He also just talks about one poster for Deadly Warriors? Proves nothing.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Duke on October 30, 2011, 05:51:09 pm
That Youtube speaker mispronounced R. Lee Ermey's name....
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on October 30, 2011, 05:54:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHSXZnxLZ0I
Buff long dagger speed and add decapitation
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Jarlek on October 30, 2011, 06:30:53 pm
Why not do as they did in WFaS? 100+ speed, 100+ length. High pierce damage. No slashing. Those are really fun weapons, especially against plated 2handers (which are balanced in that game).
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Skysong on October 30, 2011, 06:41:51 pm
Wow that link, the guy speaking is about as good at keeping interest as a below-average maths teacher. He also just talks about one poster for Deadly Warriors? Proves nothing.
He is not a good speaker yay but he prove lots of things besides how fail deadly warriors is.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Siiem on October 30, 2011, 09:41:38 pm
He is not a good speaker yay but he prove lots of things besides how fail deadly warriors is.

Dude... if you cut a pig with something it doesn't matter how shit rest of the program is, it shows how good said equipment is at cutting flesh.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Jarlek on October 30, 2011, 09:53:10 pm
Dude... if you cut a pig with something it doesn't matter how shit rest of the program is, it shows how good said equipment is at cutting flesh.
Not really. Dead meat is easier to cut than living meat because the muscle... oh wait. You never said the pig was dead. Gotta watch the show now :D
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on October 30, 2011, 10:01:22 pm
Not really. Dead meat is easier to cut than living meat because the muscle...

I ALREADY SAID THIS
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Siiem on October 30, 2011, 10:36:21 pm
Not really. Dead meat is easier to cut than living meat

You really are stupid -.-
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Savaris on October 30, 2011, 10:39:36 pm
The model was meant to be and idea not that it has to be that one i am ok with any kind of model this was just a suggestion!
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on October 30, 2011, 10:41:34 pm
You really are stupid -.-

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Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Jarlek on October 31, 2011, 01:07:24 am
I ALREADY SAID THIS

Really? You did? Sorry then, I must have missed it. Because you obviously can't be an idiot that claims to have already said soemthing when people point out flaws in what you said! So let's look at the post where you said that :D

1st of your posts in this thread:
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Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on October 31, 2011, 01:40:44 am
You know, the really funny thing is that you didn't find "a flaw" in what I said, nor did you correct me. It was Siiem who said the thing about the pig. Joke's on you.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Jarlek on October 31, 2011, 02:00:23 am
You know, the really funny thing is that you didn't find "a flaw" in what I said, nor did you correct me. It was Siiem who said the thing about the pig. Joke's on you.
Not really. You were the one who claimed to have already said it. Joke's still on you.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on October 31, 2011, 04:25:40 am
Because you obviously can't be an idiot that claims to have already said soemthing when people point out flaws in what you said!

Guess you just got retarded and wrote bullshit when I corrected you.

Not really, see? You're completely wrong there. I never claimed I said that in this thread, either. So you double fail.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: zagibu on October 31, 2011, 04:27:43 am
Can you please keep the personal stuff to personal messages?

I think a rapier doesn't make much sense in a game where two thirds of the population have mail or better armor.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 31, 2011, 06:09:43 am
125 speed and as Khorin said, chamber block only. Pure awesome.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Jarlek on October 31, 2011, 11:30:42 am
Not really, see? You're completely wrong there. I never claimed I said that in this thread, either. So you double fail.
Row, row, row your boat...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Penitent on October 31, 2011, 04:52:24 pm
We already have the Side Sword, the precursor to the rapier.  It's basically the same as a rapier would be (fast, stabby, elegant) and it fits the time period better.

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Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Jarlek on October 31, 2011, 05:17:24 pm
We already have the Side Sword, the precursor to the rapier.  It's basically the same as a rapier would be (fast, stabby, elegant) and it fits the time period better.

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Nobody likes my idea of the stab only sword?
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Penitent on October 31, 2011, 05:22:40 pm
Nobody likes my idea of the stab only sword?

A stab only would be an epee or foil...and I don't think it has a place in this game!  Other may disagree though.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Black Wind on November 01, 2011, 03:02:06 am
1. Swords gay.
2. Doesn't fit timeframe.
3. Swords still gay.
4. 100+ speed, stab only? Bitch, please. Then agility builds will flock to this bad-boy like no-other. Blocking won't be important as you'll just get spammed trying to fend off a "125 speed rating" sword by a user who has 170+ wpf.
5. If this sword is implemented, I think lightsabers should be too.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on November 01, 2011, 03:16:28 am
lol.

stab only rapier would be 100% useless, it'd be like a dagger but worse.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on November 01, 2011, 03:51:29 am
lol.

stab only rapier would be 100% useless, it'd be like a dagger but worse.
Errrrrrr... range?!??! Damage?!!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Siiem on November 01, 2011, 04:17:02 am
2. Doesn't fit timeframe.

Show me a post where chadz makes it crystal clear what time frame cRPG is in.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on November 01, 2011, 04:25:47 am
Errrrrrr... range?!??! Damage?!!?!?!?!

Err... downblock?!
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Gorath on November 01, 2011, 04:41:38 am
1. Swords gay.
2. Doesn't fit timeframe.
3. Swords still gay.
4. 100+ speed, stab only? Bitch, please. Then agility builds will flock to this bad-boy like no-other. Blocking won't be important as you'll just get spammed trying to fend off a "125 speed rating" sword by a user who has 170+ wpf.
5. If this sword is implemented, I think lightsabers should be too.

1.  Ninja's are gay
2.  Ninja "outfits" didn't exist except in hollywood.  Nothing says assassin like an outfit only an assassin would wear.  "Gee, I wonder who's trying to kill our lord.  Oh wait, perhaps it's that guy in black pajamas, a mask and a sword on his back (which is also stupid).  Nah, couldn't be."
3.  Ninja's are still gay.
4.  Shit, that's why agility builds flock to the long dagger.  Owait.
5.  If katana's are implemented, I think rapier's/sabre's should be too.  Owait.

Anyways, on topic.  I would love a rapier model, HOWEVER I think the side sword and Long Espada are fine.  Only issue is that the Side Sword's stats are shit.  It is the same damage stats as the Long Espada, however it trades 8 length, for 1 speed.  Every good duelist will tell you that this is a highly shit trade as 8 length is far more useful than 1 speed when damage stats are the same.  A speed buff would be a bit much so given the shorter (and arguably probably stiffer blade because of it) I would suggest giving a +1/+2 cut to the side sword.  This would make it a different but viable alternative to the long espada for the swashbuckler's out there.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on November 01, 2011, 05:22:50 am
Yes, Sidesword was OP at one time so Fasader, the king of item balance, made it completely useless!
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Black Wind on November 01, 2011, 06:50:21 am
Show me a post where chadz makes it crystal clear what time frame cRPG is in.

Oh, may as well add in rifles, and fucking shot guns then seeing theres no timeframe.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Black Wind on November 01, 2011, 07:05:07 am
1.  Ninja's are gay
2.  Ninja "outfits" didn't exist except in hollywood.  Nothing says assassin like an outfit only an assassin would wear.  "Gee, I wonder who's trying to kill our lord.  Oh wait, perhaps it's that guy in black pajamas, a mask and a sword on his back (which is also stupid).  Nah, couldn't be."
3.  Ninja's are still gay.
4.  Shit, that's why agility builds flock to the long dagger.  Owait.
5.  If katana's are implemented, I think rapier's/sabre's should be too.

Firstly, Who says I use a katana? Also, idk about you, but as far as "outfits" go, I use steppe armour. Furthermore, I would be happy to see katanas removed from crpg as they are spam weapons in my opinion.

Lastly, if ninja's are gay, they are less gay than all the other builds out there.

 
125 speed and as Khorin said, chamber block only. Pure awesome.

Yeah, because agility builds wouldn't use a weapon thst has 125 speed, and immense pierce damage.



Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Xant on November 01, 2011, 07:28:41 am
Yeah, because speed matters when you have a short weapon that can't block and can only thrust.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Siiem on November 01, 2011, 08:09:54 am
Oh, may as well add in rifles, and fucking shot guns then seeing theres no timeframe.

No, chadz has made the decision that gunpowder has not been invented in calradia.
Title: Re: Rapier Sword
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on November 01, 2011, 11:05:59 am
Err... downblock?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paw_2EJBzFs