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Title: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SpeedyBanana on October 19, 2011, 06:07:15 am
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WARNING: Use at your own risk with CRPG. It's still working fine for me, but the CRPG devs are claiming 40 bans (and at least one person here is flipping out over losing his characters). But if you care about your account/characters on CRPG, don't use it there.

Change for 2.0c - The occasional reset of auto block in game (stops working) should be fixed. If you didn't have that problem, there's no other change *at all* so you don't need to download 2.0c.

Warband Auto Blocker
for M&B Warband v1.143, Steam and Non-Steam
Version 2.0c


Download is at the bottom of this post, please read everything before you download!
Note: If you have issues with this version, read "TROUBLESHOOTING" at the bottom of the post before downloading version 1.

Features:
Full-fledged auto-block
Toggle on/off in game to prevent detection, with sounds to verify you've turned it on or off
Auto-adjust option so you don't need to release defend and click again to change block angle
Works seamlessly with both Steam and Non-Steam versions of Warband
Status window showing whether it's attached or not
Will automatically detach from the game if you close it, and reattach if you re-open it - just run it once and you're good

To use:
Download WABv20b.zip and unzip the file to anywhere you want - preferably not in your M&B folder for obvious safety reasons. Start MBAutoBlocker-v20x.exe (I would recommend renaming it for extra safety) in admin mode then start Warband. You should notice that even at the launcher screen it's detected what version of the game you're running and has attached itself.

Make sure you start the Auto Blocker *FIRST*.

Decide whether you're going to use auto-toggle or not – I would recommend against it for multiplayer, it makes it very obvious that you're using it. (It will follow every feint INSTANTLY). I'll leave the option in however, it's your ban if you want it.

Regardless of whether you check it or not, you can just start up Warband. Once at the main menu, go to “Options”, and make sure your blocking is set to “Automatic”.

Now, you can join a server. Press F7 to start it and you should hear a nice little 'CLANG' to let you know it worked. Press F8 to stop it and you should hear a little 'beep' to let you know it's off. This is useful for instant 'up-blocking', the M&B community's current preferred method of checking whether you're using this mod-app or not. So if somebody asks you to up-block, just tap F8 (BEEP!) and point upwards to block upwards, then when they're satisfied tap F7 (CLANG!) and you're back to auto blocking!


Download for 1.143 (Current):
Version 2.0c (Steam & Non-Steam)
Version 2.0b (Steam & Non-Steam)

Download for 1.134 (Old):
Version 2.0 (Steam & Non-Steam)

Troubleshooting:
This has been tested on several platforms, but if you encounter ANY issues, please try the following:
Windows Vista/7 - Make sure you run it in Admin mode (right click and run as Administrator)
Make sure you're running Warband v1.143
Make sure you're NOT running the old version 1 at the same time

If that doesn't work, please include the following in a support request via PM or a response to this post:
What version of M&B Warband you're using (version 1.xxx and Steam or Non-Steam)
Operating System (Windows XP, Vista, 7) along with 32 or 64 bit
What version of the Auto Blocker you're using (2.0, 2.0b, 2.0c)


Credits:
Several unnamed people for helping me test thoroughly. (If you'd like me to name you, toss me a PM – but I'm not outing anybody without their permission)[/list][/list][/list]

I've removed the download links for obvious reasons. I'm not here to spread a hack, just to point out the current problem with this game. It took about 2-3 minutes to find this on Google there's not much point in trying to cover this up any longer. And for the record I have never used this or any hack. I'm just another non hacking frustrated player,
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: LordBerenger on October 19, 2011, 06:08:36 am


Amen! Lol
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Oggrinsky on October 19, 2011, 06:17:25 am
Old news, old problem, old solution.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 19, 2011, 06:21:55 am
This is really old news. First wave was 40 bans, next wave was something like 200.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Patricia on October 19, 2011, 06:23:54 am
Yup, I autoblock.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SpeedyBanana on October 19, 2011, 06:24:07 am
This is really old news. First wave was 40 bans, next wave was something like 200.

Well I've been away for a while...
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 19, 2011, 06:27:06 am
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Anal Bleeding on October 19, 2011, 06:31:33 am
cool
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Brother_Morr on October 19, 2011, 07:25:19 am
Dood, The best way to counter Auto Block is just Crush through Spam. I don't care if you put that sword or shield up, I'll just bash it aside! Long Maul Works great on Auto Blockers, JUST LIKE YOU!
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: chadz on October 19, 2011, 07:29:47 am
I'm not even bothering to remove that link, I think the more we ban the more rewarding it feels.

Go ahead, give it a try, and say your char goodbye :D
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SpeedyBanana on October 19, 2011, 07:39:59 am
I'm not even bothering to remove that link, I think the more we ban the more rewarding it feels.

Go ahead, give it a try, and say your char goodbye :D

How do the bans in this game work? Can you ban their cd-key or just their character?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SeQuel on October 19, 2011, 07:40:42 am
I'm not even bothering to remove that link, I think the more we ban the more rewarding it feels.

Go ahead, give it a try, and say your char goodbye :D

That's the spirit.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Hevi on October 19, 2011, 07:41:19 am
Go ahead, give it a try, and say your char goodbye :D
How prosaically and ironic.. love you chadz  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Oberyn on October 19, 2011, 08:37:42 am



   
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« Reply #139 on: September 18, 2011, 11:59:53 AM »
Big ban wave on CRPG for this. Fine on native and all other modules just don't use it on CRPG.

Lol
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Slamz on October 19, 2011, 08:59:38 am
How do the bans in this game work? Can you ban their cd-key or just their character?
They do key bans.  Anytime you get banned for anything, it's all of your characters.  Only way to get back is with a new CD key and even then a suspicious enough dev might decide to look up IPs, as we know they track IPs as well.

Basically this isn't some MMORPG where people can cheat for months and not get caught.  Good players, in particular, notice autoblockers and admins aren't that rare.

It's also not an FPS where you can aimbot and people can't really be sure if you're doing it or not -- blocking is up close and personal and a little too obvious.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Slamz on October 19, 2011, 09:10:57 am
Incidentally, new players shouldn't leap to the conclusion that people are autoblocking.  I'm a pretty mediocre blocker but I can still "pre-block" a lot of attacks -- that is, I know which way you are going to attack before you even start your swing.  Based on your weapon and our distance, I can be blocking your most viable attack before I even see it.

Better players can see it coming based on your arm movements.  I'm only so-so at this.  cRPG is much slower than native so if you can block the computer 50% of the time in practice, you can block players at least 75% of the time in cRPG.

Where it becomes more obvious is.....well, I guess I'll let the autoblockers find out.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SpeedyBanana on October 19, 2011, 09:12:44 am
They do key bans.  Anytime you get banned for anything, it's all of your characters.  Only way to get back is with a new CD key and even then a suspicious enough dev might decide to look up IPs, as we know they track IPs as well.

Basically this isn't some MMORPG where people can cheat for months and not get caught.  Good players, in particular, notice autoblockers and admins aren't that rare.

It's also not an FPS where you can aimbot and people can't really be sure if you're doing it or not -- blocking is up close and personal and a little too obvious.

Are you kidding me bro? I've been playing on the US Battle server and in the last 2 hours I already spotted two people (just from the ones I randomly spectated; I wasn't out searching for hackers) that are clearly using a block hack. Instantly blocking attacks with almost no reaction time, with no movement of either mouse or wasd in the direction of the block,  and even blocking in the correct direction before the other guy has even begun his swing.

You guys haven't fixed jack shit cause clearly people are still using this hack. At the end of the day there is no automatic way to detect this hack. An admin has to spectate the player and make a judgement call, which is about the worst system of hack detection possible.

I think the only thing the admins and devs managed to accomplish is ban the idiots that were blatantly abusing the hack. However, I would be willing to bet a lot of people are still using this just trying to be more subtle about it.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Spawny on October 19, 2011, 09:20:32 am
Are you kidding me bro? I've been playing on the US Battle server and in the last 2 hours I already spotted two people (just from the ones I randomly spectated; I wasn't out searching for hackers) that are clearly using a block hack. Instantly blocking attacks with almost no reaction time, with no movement of either mouse or wasd in the direction of the block,  and even blocking in the correct direction before the other guy has even begun his swing.

You guys haven't fixed jack shit cause clearly people are still using this hack. At the end of the day there is no automatic way to detect this hack. An admin has to spectate the player and make a judgement call, which is about the worst system of hack detection possible.

The point is, the good players in cRPG are usually known. Hell, I'm mediocre, but I'm sure a lot of people have seen me ingame.
If you're unknown to admins/good players and you suddenly start steel cage blocking, you're suspicious.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SpeedyBanana on October 19, 2011, 09:32:05 am
The point is, the good players in cRPG are usually known. Hell, I'm mediocre, but I'm sure a lot of people have seen me ingame.
If you're unknown to admins/good players and you suddenly start steel cage blocking, you're suspicious.

The fact that there are admins on most of the day watching for this kind of stuff and the fact that there is a community around the mod has probably helped quite a bit to keep the hacking under the control. But if you guys think this hack isn't being used by more than a handful of people on the server everyday I think you're just kidding yourselves. This is the type of hack is not easy to spot if the person using it isn't an idiot. Kind of like wall-hack in fps games. If the player isn't abusing it, it's not something you're going to stop easily if your only method of detection is having an admin spectate him.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on October 19, 2011, 09:33:38 am
I already spotted two people (just from the ones I randomly spectated; I wasn't out searching for hackers) that are clearly using a block hack. Instantly blocking attacks with almost no reaction time, with no movement of either mouse or wasd in the direction of the block,  and even blocking in the correct direction before the other guy has even begun his swing.
Sorry, but this is just hackophobia. And it certainly does no good to neither to you or other players if you accuse people of hacking because you "spotted" them. There is no way to spot them 100% sure. There are known players that are autohacks themselves, and even more mediocre players manage sometimes to have a good day and block everything. Human brain can be astounding.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: The_Angle on October 19, 2011, 09:41:07 am
Perhaps this should be a concern raised to the actual developers of Warband itself. I'm sure they could provide a fix - or at least I hope. Write a nice email long essay/email about it. Or even create a petition.

Also the whole ban business makes me think of Bladerunner lol.

Rachael: May I ask you a personal question?
Deckard: Sure.
Rachael: Have you ever retired a human by mistake?
Deckard: No.
Rachael: But in your position, that is a risk.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Blondin on October 19, 2011, 09:51:11 am
Hell yeah so why don't you give a try, just a little try for an hour, you'll see what happen, does devs have a detector?
Just give a try, but you'll lose your char.
Yes there is a way to detect autoblock hack, and this is not by watching, first wave 40 bans, second wave 200 bans.
Some ppl were banned even if they only try the hack, spread the word, there is a detector.
Don't spread false info, because stupid ppl will try and lose their char.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 19, 2011, 10:15:37 am
aw man, how did you guys find that out. Now the reason I am such an expert duelist is out in the open.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Kafein on October 19, 2011, 10:24:29 am
aw man, how did you guys find that out. Now the reason I am such an expert duelist is out in the open.

 :o


Nested sarcasm.


Better than autoblock : insta-attacks : Just-in-time blocks, instantly followed by attacks (not chamberblocks !). Result : you don't even see the char blocking, just "does nothing" "cling" "attacks"
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Tot. on October 19, 2011, 11:45:02 am
Also the whole ban business makes me think of Bladerunner lol.

You realize it's not based on in-game human observation, right?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Ujin on October 19, 2011, 11:51:31 am
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« Reply #139 on: September 18, 2011, 11:59:53 AM »
Big ban wave on CRPG for this. Fine on native and all other modules just don't use it on CRPG.






Win.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Meow on October 19, 2011, 11:53:43 am
http://tkc-community.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&topic=9814.0

Protip: Remove session id from your links.

Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Paul on October 19, 2011, 12:52:38 pm
I love it. Finally new players don't have to feel respect or even admiration for decently skilled veteran players. No, they can just accuse them of cheating, claiming that they would be just as good if they'd cheat too - no matter the month or even years of training difference.

Sometimes I imagine what would happen irl, with for example table tennis. With some guy who started playing for like 3 month and thinks of himself as being pretty good. He then gets hopelessly owned by a guy who played for years. Then, instead of congratulating the veteran and stating that it's good to see how good one can get over time, he yells in his face "YOU FUCKIN CHEATER!".
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on October 19, 2011, 12:57:29 pm
Are you kidding me bro? I've been playing on the US Battle server and in the last 2 hours I already spotted two people (just from the ones I randomly spectated; I wasn't out searching for hackers) that are clearly using a block hack. Instantly blocking attacks with almost no reaction time, with no movement of either mouse or wasd in the direction of the block,  and even blocking in the correct direction before the other guy has even begun his swing.



Well then half of our best melee players in crpg is using autoblock^^


Too many people are seeing far too many ghosts here atm o.O
Just because a person can block your swings, doesn't mean he is autocheating. And some people are really good at seeing where you hit from the moment you click to hit.

According to your post I should accuse:  Jormglorm, Chase, Phyrex, Cooties, Siiem and soooo many other guys who's names I don't get into my mind atm :D
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Christo on October 19, 2011, 01:01:02 pm
Destroy them.

Damn cheating vermin, always showing up at any good game.
Burn in hell.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Ragni_Bross on October 19, 2011, 01:09:04 pm
So next time you keep getting owned by somebody with god-like blocking skills don't let it drag you down... they're just some goof with a hack.

Or they're just better than you.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Dezilagel on October 19, 2011, 01:34:52 pm
To be honest, this doesn't seem like too big a problem.

Sure I've stumbled across a few suspicious cases, but then we're talking like 3-4 people during my months of playing.

Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Siiem on October 19, 2011, 01:39:52 pm
Or they're just better than you.

Preposterous.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: _GTX_ on October 19, 2011, 01:41:37 pm
Yeah i agree with dezi, i havent spotted more than 1-2 cases which i could maybe accuse for hacking. But it really aint that bad on EU. Are u sure they arent just better than u ?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Kalam on October 19, 2011, 01:56:01 pm
You're in no position to judge until you've played the game for a couple of months. No matter how much natural talent a person may have, it takes awhile to acquaint oneself with the intricacies of the game mechanics. And even then, I would go so far as to say that only regular duelists can tell. There's just no other way to truly familiarize yourself with the system.

When you know what swings are faster than others on the different weapon types, the difference in length between the swings on different weapons, the timing required for a perfect one-hand stab, what kind of foot work allows you to attack twice, and all the other little details- and know it well enough to react to it without thinking- that's when you'll realize that there are at there are little to no auto-block hackers out there. Most of them got caught, and all get caught eventually.

On top of it all, auto-blocking doesn't help you against experienced players. Unless you're truly bad at blocking, and those people are few and far between.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Xant on October 19, 2011, 02:00:30 pm
On top of it all, auto-blocking doesn't help you against experienced players. Unless you're truly bad at blocking, and those people are few and far between.

It does, but only if the auto-blocker doesn't try attacking in return. As it is, no people thought as "good" have been caught using auto-blocker.. I'd say it's almost unnoticeable when bad players use it, as at least I tend to get most of my kills attacking "out of turn" against inexperienced players.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 19, 2011, 02:49:58 pm
This reminds me of Red Orchestra 2 recently.
I was accused of hacking cause i did a triple kill through a wall.
Their argument was, "you killed three of us behind a wall where you couldn't see" to which i replied "I saw muzzleflash and sprayed the area, that I got three of you was luck".
My point in that tangent is that sometimes people are just good (Captain Georges and his overpowered spamberge of overpoweredness) or just plain fucking lucky (me in every single duel i win).
I haven't heard of the banwave hitting anyone who didn't deserve it, so it seems like whatever is being done by devs is working properly. I don't think i've ever seen anyone block so well that i would be sure they were cheating.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: [ptx] on October 19, 2011, 03:05:55 pm
You realize it's not based on in-game human observation, right?

Hush, don't tell 'em!
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Xant on October 19, 2011, 03:08:39 pm
wooki takes any opportunity to brag about his RO2 antics
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 19, 2011, 03:13:41 pm
wooki takes any opportunity to brag about his RO2 antics

yeh, i am the 1337est sniper ever. i once hit a guy over 2000 meters with no scope thats how leet i am
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Post by: Xant on October 19, 2011, 03:17:35 pm
see
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Post by: Casimir on October 19, 2011, 03:28:18 pm
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Post by: Siiem on October 19, 2011, 03:29:30 pm
yeh, i am the 1337est sniper ever. i once hit a guy over 2000 meters with no scope thats how leet i am

How l33t did you say you are?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 19, 2011, 03:30:36 pm
yeh, i am the 1337est sniper ever. i once hit a guy over 2000 meters with no scope thats how leet i am

That leet
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Siiem on October 19, 2011, 03:33:12 pm
That's some leetnez.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 19, 2011, 03:36:52 pm
This thread is now about leetness, derail successful
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Blackzilla on October 19, 2011, 03:37:19 pm
I've gotten pretty good at blocking since i have played it since the begining of crpg... im not the best though.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Siiem on October 19, 2011, 03:39:00 pm
I've gotten pretty good at blocking since i have played it since the begining of crpg... im not the best though.

So you're pretty leet you would say. How leet?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Blackzilla on October 19, 2011, 03:49:11 pm
So you're pretty leet you would say. How leet?
leet?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Xant on October 19, 2011, 03:51:18 pm
leet?

That's fairly leet.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Siiem on October 19, 2011, 03:52:37 pm
That's fairly leet.

How leet are you?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Phazey on October 19, 2011, 04:04:15 pm
How leet are you?

Fairly leet. Sadly, not leet enough to be accused of cheating much.  :|

I demand more accusations!
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Dehitay on October 19, 2011, 04:07:15 pm
Unless you're truly bad at blocking, and those people are few and far between.
Great, I didn't feel like enough of a loser before. Fortunate, I still have a different autoblock that nobody's ever banned me for - a shield.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Phyrex on October 19, 2011, 04:07:38 pm
The big question is; Why would you need an auto-blocker for cRPG anyways?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Xant on October 19, 2011, 04:10:30 pm
How leet are you?

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,15784.msg224303.html#msg224303

That is all, good sir.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Siiem on October 19, 2011, 04:15:29 pm
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,15784.msg224303.html#msg224303

That is all, good sir.

Pretty leet, almost Wooki level.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 19, 2011, 04:19:52 pm
Pretty leet, almost Wooki level.

indeed, that is pretty leet
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Slamz on October 19, 2011, 04:22:47 pm
The big question is; Why would you need an auto-blocker for cRPG anyways?

Enough people suck at blocking that I think we can safely say "blocking is hard", and that's why some are tempted to use it.

The REAL question is; Why would you want to risk getting your account banned forever over something that doesn't protect you from arrows, bolts, throwing weapons, horse knockdowns, getting surprised or just plain old being ganged up on?

I could at least understand people cheating like that if this was a 100% melee game but it's too much risk for too little benefit when there are so many things it can't help you with.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 19, 2011, 04:35:27 pm
Enough people suck at blocking that I think we can safely say "blocking is hard", and that's why some are tempted to use it.

The REAL question is; Why would you want to risk getting your account banned forever over something that doesn't protect you from arrows, bolts, throwing weapons, horse knockdowns, getting surprised or just plain old being ganged up on?

I could at least understand people cheating like that if this was a 100% melee game but it's too much risk for too little benefit when there are so many things it can't help you with.

mate, you must be new to the internet. It's for e-pen0r
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Pavel on October 19, 2011, 04:52:33 pm
The autoblock of mine is much better, but i still can't get used to it.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Christo on October 19, 2011, 04:53:05 pm
The autoblock of mine is much better, but i still can't get used to it.

Is it called a shield?  :)
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: nuffen on October 19, 2011, 04:59:40 pm
The autoblock of mine is much better, but i still can't get used to it.

The admins have come to a conclusion, they have decided to stop kicking everyone who shoots at you anymore. Your autoblock doesn't work anymore.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Zisa on October 19, 2011, 05:04:28 pm
my auto suck is alive and well.
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Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 19, 2011, 05:06:02 pm
my auto suck is alive and well.

Mine too!
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SpeedyBanana on October 19, 2011, 06:45:32 pm
It's sad how egotistical and arrogant the cRPG community is especially on the forum. I've been playing this mod for a while now and I've seen a few threads over that time about people suspecting hacks were being used. Every time someone made a mention of it they got trolled and flamed with comments such as "you're just a noob" or "the other guy is just better than you" or some other sumg / sarcastic reply.

Then these hacks were posted publicly and over 250 people were banned, a SIGNIFICANT percentage of players when you take a look at how few people are actually playing cRPG or Warband. A little bit of common sense would tell you that many people escaped the bans which just further illustrates how wide spread the usage was. Of course nobody went back to those posters months ago and said "wow... I guess you were right and were just a bunch of troll idiots"... no... of course not... because egotistical clowns will always continue to be egotistical clowns and cRPG is the egotistical clown hot-spot.

If you think these hacks just came out in the past couple of months you've got to be really f***ing stupid. The reality is that these hacks have been in the game from the start as any half decent programmer could make an auto-block hack seeing as how the whole auto-blocking system is already part of the game design. So what happened before this hacks became public? Nothing... people were using it and none of you were the f***ng wiser, especially all the admins; some of them who claim to be experts at the game and that it takes an expert to really know if someone is hacking. Well all you "experts" didn't know jack shit until the hack creator got bored with this game and decided to put it up on a public forum for everyone to download. It took well over a year before people started getting banned for this hack, and only after it was posted on a public forum and made about as obvious as possible that a hack does exist. So your comments about how "I could easily tell if someone is hacking" makes no f***ing sense and is just another example of the egotistical clown nature of this community that I mentioned.

Perhaps there is a way to automatically detect this specific hack... there probably is... considering the guy who developed it offered to send the source code to anyone who PMs him. The point I'm trying to make is:

1). That the whole "admin spectating" system of detection is clearly worth jack shit considering how long it took for people to realize the fact that hacks are prevalent in this game, and in the end it wasn't even player spectating that discovered this. The community became aware and actions were taken only after the hack developer put up the hack for public download and offered the source code as well. Yeah... obviously it's going to be easy to deal with once you can easily download the hack, test it out to see how it works, and look over the source code to see how it's programmed. 

2). Systems like Steam's VAC or PunkBuster take continual updates to stop hacks as there are many ways to get around detection and it takes a team of people working full time to keep hacking under control in other games. It's not like this auto-block hack was designed to bypass any kind of security; from the looks of it, it seems about as complex as a regular trainer, yet it was being used in the game for so long by a large number of people until the community found out. If you think his hack can't be redesigned with more thought so that it's harder to detect automatically or visually then you're a f***ing idiot.


At the end of the day it doesn't much matter to me as I always play cavalry or archer. Frequent admin presence, public knowledge of this hack, and a super small game population where word gets around has helped keep this hack under control. I still believe this is being used today from what I've seen, but realistically it's probably by 1-2% of the population or less and because of game dynamics (arrows, bolts, throwing, horses, etc), it doesn't have a big impact on the game to the point where it ruins the fun or becomes unplayable. I'm sure if this mod doesn't die down in the next 6-12 months somebody else will get board with the game and decide to put up his hacks for public download. At which point a lot of will think to yourselves "ohh wow... I guess we were wrong and this has been going on for a while" but publicly still maintain an arrogant attitude about how you actually knew about this all along... because... you know... you're such a pro at this game that there's no way anyone could ever fool you! What a joke...
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 19, 2011, 06:48:32 pm
WE ALL KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE OH MY GOD!

The sky is falling bro.... *whispers* the sky is falling

Seriously, we all know that these hacks have been and probably are still going on. What we are saying though is that the vast majority (not all, just the vast majority) of the people that are accused of hacking are actually just really good.

We are also saying that we catch them sooner or later...
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Xant on October 19, 2011, 06:49:20 pm
many people escaped the bans which just further illustrates how wide spread the usage was.

Based on what?

Also you can say fuck.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: nuffen on October 19, 2011, 06:51:50 pm
Then these hacks were posted publicly and over 250 people were banned, a SIGNIFICANT percentage of players when you take a look at how few people are actually playing cRPG or Warband. A little bit of common sense would tell you that many people escaped the bans which just further illustrates how wide spread the usage was.

Your assuming they were banned because someone observed them hacking, and that there was a lot that wasn't banned. What if the hack itself was logged over some time, then everyone who ever used it was banned, wouldn't that change your perspective a little bit?
No one in their right mind would dare to auto-block in c-rpg because it means they will lose their character, not after last ban-wave.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Xant on October 19, 2011, 06:55:10 pm
Yes, spend 100 hours getting a decent character, use autoblock once and all those hours go to waste... no point.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wiawins_ATS on October 19, 2011, 07:00:42 pm
Fortunate, I still have a different autoblock that nobody's ever banned me for - a shield.
Win.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: MrShine on October 19, 2011, 07:26:41 pm
tl;dr: hacks are bad, mmkay.

I get your message that hacks can be detrimental to the game and should be taken seriously. 

Here's the message from us that you need to get.

1) A bunch of people have already been banned.  Will hackers try again with different tools?  Yes.  Have the devs demonstrated their ability to thwart hackers and be concerned about the issue?  Yes. 
2) This is old news, the community has already been over this and you're just beating a dead horse.
3) Players that were banned: ~250
    Good players that were banned: ~0
The players who are awesome are still around and have been through waves of autoblocker bans.  That should tell you something.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: chadz on October 19, 2011, 07:31:01 pm
Are there people using the hack currently?
Yes, I'm guessing around 50 or so were dumb enough to try again since last ban wave. I could check, but I really don't care enough right now. We'll wait for some time until we ban the next wave. Also, any official admin is not allowed to ban for suspected autoblocking, because we don't need a witchhunt here. The only thing that hurts a game more than hacks is people suspecting other people of hacking.

That's why clever people relax, say to themselves "just wait a week" when they suspect one and go on. We just laugh when people get all thrilled and say "i suspect someone of autoblocking!". Because we don't give a shit. When he did, we know it. And when he didn't, the reporter looks like a jerk.

The point is: you have no point. I'm not even sure what you were trying to achieve with that thread. So people know there's an autoblocker? Well no shit, that has been around for nearly a year. And no secret at all.

Frequent admin presence, public knowledge of this hack, and a super small game population where word gets around has helped keep this hack under control.
Yeah, that sure worked out well for native. Getting your ass banned with your looms locked up was what kept this hack under control in cRPG. They even say so in the first line line of the thread you linked. Do not use in cRPG.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Zisa on October 19, 2011, 07:31:53 pm
I get your message that hacks can be detrimental to the game and should be taken seriously. 

Here's the message from us that you need to get.

1) A bunch of people have already been banned.  Will hackers try again with different tools?  Yes.  Have the devs demonstrated their ability to thwart hackers and be concerned about the issue?  Yes. 
2) This is old news, the community has already been over this and you're just beating a dead horse.
3) Players that were banned: ~250
    Good players that were banned: ~0
The players who are awesome are still around and have been through waves of autoblocker bans.  That should tell you something.
win

Banana...
Hackers have been around forever. I consider it lame, but try and have pride in the way you play and assume defeat comes at the hands of a skilled opponent.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Phazey on October 19, 2011, 07:42:50 pm
I like chadz' post. Nice of him to respond here.

I would like to add: if you play a few months and learn the mechanics of the game a bit, you'll realize that an autoblock is not going to help you win against skilled players.

Blocking is only a small part of the equation that is crpg. Like others have pointed out, you need to be able to attack properly. You also need footwork. You need battle awareness. Teamplay. Map knowledge. Heck, there is too much to sum up.

An autoblock hack will allow you to block melee attacks flawlessly for a little while. But you aren't able to stop arrows, prevent cav from bumping you and you can probably not attack back properly. Good luck and have fun for a week or two and then get permabanned...

I can't see who would want that, to be honest. And it also shows, if you look at the names of the people who are banned for autoblock, almost none of them were 'known' players. Mostly just newbies looking for an edge and probably failing to get it, because we never see them top the score charts or have a big impact on battles.

You see, i'm not worried. The devs got this under control. To end, i'd like to quote the cover of my favorite virtual book: DON'T PANIC!   :wink:
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Xant on October 19, 2011, 07:59:04 pm
Also, any official admin is not allowed to ban for suspected autoblocking, because we don't need a witchhunt here. The only thing that hurts a game more than hacks is people suspecting other people of hacking.
Awesome policy.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Blondin on October 19, 2011, 08:00:21 pm
Don't we already had this discussion in old forum? You know in 2010...
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 19, 2011, 08:02:08 pm
In over a year of playing cRPG I have never seen anyone that I suspected of autoblock. Sure there's probably been some, but I have yet to see a player that I haven't been able to defeat. Sure there are many better than me, Bjord, Phyrex, Paul, etc(The list is looooong), but I can sometimes beat them, and they're just clearly better than me. But none of the hackers that were banned were high profile players known for being consistently awesome. So either they get banned very swiftly, or they simply don't compare to the good players.

I'm sure there will be a lot of hackers banned again in the next wave, but atleast they get banned. And the more they play in the meantime, the more they lose when the ban hits them.

And I can verify that no admin is spectating people that are suspected of autoblocking. It's a horrible idea.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SpeedyBanana on October 19, 2011, 08:35:51 pm

The point is: you have no point. I'm not even sure what you were trying to achieve with that thread. So people know there's an autoblocker? Well no shit, that has been around for nearly a year. And no secret at all.
 Yeah, that sure worked out well for native. Getting your ass banned with your looms locked up was what kept this hack under control in cRPG. They even say so in the first line line of the thread you linked. Do not use in cRPG.

My point is that this hack has been around for a LONG time and until the creator got bored and decided to put it up for public download where you could test it out and see how it works (and even made the source code available), none of you could visually tell if someone was hacking or had any way to detect it. Telling me you've known about this for a while is an outright fucking lie, because there was no official mention of this or any bans that I can remember UNTIL the guy who made it put it right in front of your face and said "here you go bro, here's the hack and here is the source code so you can see how it works"
 
So more specifically my point is your hack detection system and knowledge of this hack was only thanks to the fact that the creator gave it to you and all the information you needed on a silver platter. So if anybody else decides to remake this hack with a little more thought you're probably going to have very little chance of combating it until he gets bored with this game and decides to share it with everyone as well.

Now I'm not exactly blaming you here, this is really more of a case of poor game design and shitty euro programming by the developers. I appreciate the effort you guys are putting in to try to stop this. The only thing I hate is your smug and arrogant attitude, and that of some of the community members. How you say "Go ahead, give it a try, and say your char goodbye" and other comments you've made.... I mean buddy... none of you knew about this or could stop it until the guy gave you all the information on a silver platter. So when somebody else makes another auto-block hack what are you going to do if he doesn't decide to put it up for everyone to download or give you the source code?

Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: [ptx] on October 19, 2011, 08:43:35 pm
It's sad how egotistical and arrogant the cRPG community is especially on the forum. I've been playing this mod for a while now and I've seen a few threads over that time about people suspecting hacks were being used. Every time someone made a mention of it they got trolled and flamed with comments such as "you're just a noob" or "the other guy is just better than you" or some other sumg / sarcastic reply.
Funny of you to accuse others of arrogance, when you even fail to read the rather informative replies you have received to this thread, whilst spouting these "i-know-everything-better-than-you-all" misinformed posts.

At above - no one bothered to stop it, because it wasn't known that such existed.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: 22nd_King_Plazek on October 19, 2011, 08:43:59 pm
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Yea thing is though all the guys that got banned were sucky players. So who gives a damn?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on October 19, 2011, 08:51:25 pm
again is the question, whats your point? We should accuse everybody who is suspicious of cheating? In your OP you suggest that the next time we got beaten, we should automatically assume he is a cheater. Is that your point?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: SpeedyBanana on October 19, 2011, 08:52:21 pm
Funny of you to accuse others of arrogance, when you even fail to read the rather informative replies you have received to this thread, whilst spouting these "i-know-everything-better-than-you-all" misinformed posts.

At above - no one bothered to stop it, because it wasn't known that such existed.

Clearly you do a great job of reading as well since just a few posts above the creator of the mod stated everyone's known about it for a year yet action was only taken just a few short months ago once the hack was put up for public download.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: nuffen on October 19, 2011, 08:56:15 pm
Clearly you do a great job of reading as well since just a few posts above the creator of the mod stated everyone's known about it for a year yet action was only taken just a few short months ago once the hack was put up for public download.

Or, the devs was monitoring the amount of hackers until enough people started to use it to be a problem, and bam, they solved the problem.
Is it a problem now?
No
Have it been a problem?
yes, it was solved very quickly.
Will it be a problem?
If so, it will be solved just as quickly.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Kaelaen on October 19, 2011, 09:04:12 pm
Why, oh why do people think the ability to block is the epitome of skill in this game?

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Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: chadz on October 19, 2011, 09:05:33 pm
I guess it's the creator of the autoblock script and mad he can't bypass the detection. So he trolls here so one of us would reveal the detection method.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN SIR.
Moved to spam where it belongs.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Bobthehero on October 19, 2011, 10:00:18 pm
I am a leet hacker.
I have auto block auto attack auto run and 34 powerstrike.

Bwahahahaha, tremble.

Edit: I just realised that there is some comotion in the TW forums about a guy talking about hacks getting Permabanned from the forums, could it be related?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Siiem on October 19, 2011, 10:13:17 pm

U mad?
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Meow on October 19, 2011, 10:24:40 pm
He mad :(
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
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Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Nessaj on October 20, 2011, 10:00:27 pm
@Banana - Let me be the first to say...  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7NPgEz96mdY#t=63s)
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 21, 2011, 11:31:04 am
this is a good thread, it has almost become a friend to me. It has given me many laughs and we had some good times. Unfortunately, its like a friend with aids and cancer so it'll be dead soon. Aw well.
Title: Re: Here's the secret to being awesome at this game... auto block hack...
Post by: Vibe on October 21, 2011, 11:36:12 am
Good thread :D