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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Haze_The_Hobo on October 15, 2011, 11:26:16 am
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Its ridiculous that people from asia and america playes on EU, it makes the game lag. I see lots of people with high ping (120+) playing on EU servers, it's not nice for us who live in EU area and want to play low ping game. Theres servers for everyone, please keep to ur own area.
Could you please make some kind of ping check on servers? So everyone would have fun and they would enjoy playing crpg, thanks.
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fucking hater, -1
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Im no hater, i just think everyone shud stick to their own servers, so the game wouldn't lag and it was fun. The point for servers of each region is to have lag free play.
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And for those who live inside eu and have high ping, well this goes for u:
one of the basic rules of online gaming is to get a decent connection, if u don't have it play single u cheap bastard.
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uh. ping chocolate chip cookie.
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I thought this was myth?
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I don't give a shit if u give me - votes, it just proves me ur one of those bastards im talking about. If ur so poor u can't afford 10mb connection, well hang ur self.
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this is getting ridiculously amusing
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Drown in minus votes, fucker.
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Hey kids, christmas is coming maybe u can ask mommy or daddy if they get u a decent connection?
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nearly all competitive twitch skill multiplayer games (counter strike, TF2, day of defeat, battlefield) institute ping limits of 100-200 at most. Granted these games have a much large following compared to cRPG so I dont know if cRPG can get away with limiting where people want to play.
In most instances I've seen, the high pingers are just leeching and not providing any benefit to their team. 300-350 would be a reasonable limit for cRPG
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300-350 wayyy too much, even 200 is too much. We don't need NA or asia players to cover us in numbers, EU 1 is full anyways at peak time, so is EU 4 and siege.
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300-350 wayyy too much, even 200 is too much. We don't need NA or asia players to cover us in numbers, EU 1 is full anyways at peak time, so is EU 4 and siege.
Yes and if you hadnt noticed, this is an international game, not EU exclusive. Someone with 200-300 can still contribute (ladders, ranged, shield block dumbie, etc)
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mate, we have a few skilled guys that play above average with 140+ on eu servers. dont see why we should ban them. anyway they gotta get used to the ping to participate in strat.
furthermore high ping wont make the server lag, so nope. and for op, the - arent against you, they rate your idea so stop raging.
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Digglez if there reads EU ON SERVER its not international, jerk.. :D
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Someone's high ping doesn't make the "game lag"..
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EU servers are located in EU i dont get the point of being racist and ban the players from other parts of the world.
For example a player from New Zeeland.
Have u ever seen a NEW ZEELAND cRPG server with a huge amounth of players ? i guess no.
The Game is for everyone, not just for rich Kiddies who have a good internet connection and the way u how u post ur opinion here is more than just fucked up !
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I have right for my opinion and when u grow up and have played online multiplayer for over decade u know what im talking about.. And btw, im not from rich family and i ain't a kid, i pay my own bills so shut it.
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You obviously don't know what you're talking about...
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Bad ping doesnt make the server lagg ...
GET IT
And yes u have the right for ur opinion and if ure not a kiddie smthin went very bad in ur childhood
cuz the way ur talking about that is more than just childish
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Bad ping players affect all. U can think it this way: someone whos lagging runs towards u, u start to fight with him but then hes suddenly 5 meters back, u say this doesn't affect gaming?
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And btw what is there childish if i want low ping server?
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My suggestion:
Get ur own server and play with ur own so u have ur perfect arian ping.
ull see very fast that playin without many players is not funny and a guy from madagascar doesnt feel better if he plays on his countries own server.
I dont see the point in closing the game for players who live in other countries.
EU servers are the best servers for cRPG and they should stay open for everyone cuz everyone has to be allowed to have the best gaming experience
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No i have a better suggestion, if madagascar guy wants to play here with us european people he can pay for 100mb connection.
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Ive a suggestion for u:
Read the fuckin newspaper and realise
that there are people who have not that much money nad cant pay for a 100mb connection
and thats a 100mb connection is not even available in most of the world´s countries !
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U guys talk like greek's, we don't pay for anything but we want it all. If it's so hard to invest 30 a month u really shud start thinking of ur life.
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"CAN'T AFFORD" Get a fking job, it ain't my problem if ur broke. AS i said earlier, start thinking of ur life and do something about it, if u don't want to work u don't get paid. In this modern world u can't just leech, if u born in madagascar and ur poor, well try to earn some riches.
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And for your info, if u can afford mb warband, a pc and internet connection u can't be that poor, so quit the bs and stop acting mr. world peace.
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Dude, see the real world not everyone is a rich chocolate chip cookie like u
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If u want to play with asian, american and madagascar guys u can suggest to make world server, where high ping and everyone is welcome, lets keep eu european, na american, asia asian.
Make one common server for these fools who like to play with pingers.
And btw u heard chocolate chip cookie word yesterday for the first time of ur life on history class? Get a new word it doesn't hurt me, it just proves me ur 12-14y old kid.
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1st: im 16
2nd: Yep, im a teenie
3rd: Im german and i know what a chocolate chip cookie is since im 6 years old and had my first contact with this poor bastards
4. U seem like one of them
5. i dont wanna hurt u
6. get ur own "little village x perfect ping server and ban everyone who isnt located in that village
I just want to help u, cuz the way u think and write shows clearly that u havnt learned much about the world and what life can be if ure not on the bright side.
Think a bit moar please
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First: You behave like a badass racist child.
Second: Its a myth, bad pings doesn't make the server lag! Go ask people who have knowledge (not me).
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You are so selfish.
What about ppl with a bad connection?
Go back to play world of warcraft, this community don't need ppl like you.
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Yes but the players lag and that affects everyone on the server thats what i mean. U can read my example i posted it earlier.
And this is not the place for ur personal issues Guardian, if the bad chocolate chip cookie did nasty things to u talk to a doctor.
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Come back when you understand how connection lag works.
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Yes but the players lag and that affects everyone on the server thats what i mean.
No, it doesn't.
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Omfg, if someone lags and bounces forth n back its a issue. It aint "no it doesn't"
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I never talked about server lag, i was talking about game lag = players who lag = they bounce forth n back..
How old were u guys? Seems like no one taught u to read yet.
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+1, The player lag problem. Fix it with ping limit, it is the same on other games too..
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Maybe he lost some fights against bad ping players.
Then the Ping aint the issue but ur skillz...
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+1, The player lag problem. Fix it with ping limit, it is the same on other games too..
It's a community free2play mod, not like other commercial pay2win games.
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Maybe he lost some fights against bad ping players.
Then the Ping aint the issue but ur skillz...
I play this game for fun, fps i play for real. So yes i lost many fights but don't cry about that.
Bad ping is just an issue that u kids don't understand.
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It's a community free2play mod, not like other commercial pay2win games.
Yes and theres servers for american and asian people, EU server is not only server, so why the cry? I agreed if it was one and only server that there couldn't be such limit, but theres lots of server.
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It's a community free2play mod, not like other commercial pay2win games.
But the game itself isn't a free to play game, i dont understand your point about telling me that "mods" would not need pinglimit? the game mechanics doesn't change even if it is a mod. It is normal that there are servers for americans and for europeans, the reason for that is the ping difference which makes the players with big ping harder to hit and honestly i dont understand why i would like to play on a server where i have 200 ping, it makes playing the game a lot harder and more annoying for everybody.
So what i was trying to say, (im gonna try to say it so simple that anyone can understand it):
The hitreg system can't keep up with the pings, it is a fact and you cant deny it.
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Stop calling this guy a racist, he's not a racist. Just a dumb-ass. And no one chose to be born dumb, give him a break.
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My mind is full of fuck. After reading all of the 3 pages. :|
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dam, it stopped being funny 2 pages ago. now its just sad : /
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Yes this is a great idea! Another way to ban more players and make the game more exclusionary and douche ridden. Yes you are so right 200 ping is too much! It soils the elitist experience (even though high pingers are easier to kill).
sarcasm
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Nerf 200 ping players because they warp all over the map and kill me instantly! They also have invisible cloaks and teleportation devices!
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When I used to play Exteel on NA server there were a lot of idiots like OP who wanted to kick us foreigners out. I vote no and OP will have to DEAL WITH IT 8-)
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im sorry man i understand a ping limit it makes sens to me
300 ping is ok
but to be so hateful about it is beyond me(i dont mean that in a racist way urjustmadbro)
ping limits yes
being a total douche and undermining the very thread you posted is fail(i admit i too have done this but not in an asshole way)
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OP doesn't know how ping works.
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I never talked about server lag, i was talking about game lag = players who lag = they bounce forth n back..
How old were u guys? Seems like no one taught u to read yet.
Maybe YOU should invest it a better ISP, modem, router, country - sounds like packet loss between you and the server making people rubber band.
Also, Fuck off and die.
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OP doesn't know how ping works.
True, but was it worth resurrect the thread only to say this (again)?
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Although the dude is a moron, I share his intention. There were two guys from Japan on EU yesterday, and one of them was running eight figures while spamming. Guess what, he had a score of 20+ to 4 or so. I fought him a couple of times, and it was very hard to hit him.
Fact is: bad ping does not only work to your disadvantage. I don't know how Warband is coded, but there are several possibilities to deal with the inevitable connection roundtrip time, and not all of them are a disadvantage for the actual lagging player.
That's why I support a 200 ping max limit. If it goes above that for 10 seconds, you are kicked. At least on one of the servers, so that foreign guys still have a chance to play on the other servers.
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I never talked about server lag, i was talking about game lag = players who lag = they bounce forth n back..
How old were u guys? Seems like no one taught u to read yet.
I pay for a 20 mb connection. When it runs well it's more than enough considering I live in England. However Virgin Media suck balls so for the past 4 weeks it barely gets above 10mb and my pings are usually anything between 100-400.
Besides, in this game, players who have bad pings rarely cause issues on your end. It's if you have a bad ping that the issues arise. Barely being able to move ect. People can still hit you fine, even if you are rubber banding all over the place on your screen.
Anyway, you sir, are an idiot.
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Besides, in this game, players who have bad pings rarely cause issues on your end. It's if you have a bad ping that the issues arise. Barely being able to move ect. People can still hit you fine, even if you are rubber banding all over the place on your screen.
Not true.
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Although the dude is a moron, I share his intention. There were two guys from Japan on EU yesterday, and one of them was running eight figures while spamming. Guess what, he had a score of 20+ to 4 or so. I fought him a couple of times, and it was very hard to hit him.
..snip...
You should admire his spam while having to think 1/4 to 1/2 second or so ahead, not make up some sad reason why he got kills.
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do your research
other players cannot make you lag by having bad ping
games that have servers of this size NEVER use the terrible systems found in early FPS shooters and i dont know of one game made in the last 5 years that still does
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Did I say that? I said that it was hard to hit him, not that the whole game was impossible to play. In fact, you couldn't hit him with overheads or stabs, only sweeps worked sometimes. And no, there was nothing to admire there, he was a bad player, couldn't even block 1 swing.
Do your own research, Shovey, there are not just "old" systems and "new" systems of dealing with network lag. Every solution has advantages and disadvantages, and the problem wasn't somehow magically solved. It seems M&B (like almost all games) can't handle lag well in combination with turns (because most games only interpolate positions using the player's velocity, not acceleration), which leads to the phenomenon of "lag armor".
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what is "lag armor"? im not familiar with that term (please not i no nothing of coding maybe that is the reason lol)
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Urban dictionary: Lag armor (http://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=%22lag%20armor%22&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3Dlag%2520armor&ei=QeCmTq6nHar_4QT_oIwf&usg=AFQjCNEA4KC-m4cdqV8BWClhoM5Hry4LeA&cad=rja)
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i do this on accident sometimes when my steam is updating or something it makes me feel bad :twisted:
(idk y i did not think of using urban dictionary)
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There aren't servers for ever one. Be less a douche. The high ping is hardly wrecking your servers. The game can only just handle more than 30 players.
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300-350 wayyy too much, even 200 is too much. We don't need NA or asia players to cover us in numbers, EU 1 is full anyways at peak time, so is EU 4 and siege.
Go crawl back into your mothers belly and come back when you are done evolving your brain...
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EU1 and 2 should have 100-200 ping limit, EU4 and 5 not.
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Could you please make some kind of ping check on servers? So everyone would have fun and they would enjoy playing crpg, thanks.
I enjoy Crpg more if people like you were in the Asian servers
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To me this seems like elitist fucktardism. You obviously take the game too seriously. If you have problems with this issue you can always put up your own server and have that ping limit, simple as that. You got killed by a lagger? Just deal with it 8-). I don't see that many people lagging anyways.
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To me this seems like elitist fucktardism.
More like nooblitist fucktardism, if he feels threatened by high ping players.
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To me this seems like elitist fucktardism. You obviously take the game too seriously. If you have problems with this issue you can always put up your own server and have that anti-cheat, simple as that. You got killed by a cheater? Just deal with it 8-). I don't see that many people cheating anyways.
What if I replace some of your hollow words. Hmm, still the same no-value-argument. Oh well, it was worth a try.
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Only no-value players are endangered by cheaters/laggers.
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If you say so. It can't be denied that a guy in lag-armor killing 10 no-value players at the flag has quite the effect on the round outcome. Wait, I already know your elaborate answer: "Deal with it."
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You're talking like there's a million of laggers on the server everyday.
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I don't know where the problem is. lagging players? man ... you don't seem have enough problems IRL, or what? oh wait, your real-life IS the problem ... ?
sry 'bout that, really, but that's no reason to bother this fine community with it, full of respectable people from all over the world. earn some respect yourself, i suggest. I mean don't try to expel people just because of their origin/wealth/hardware. it's a social failure, y'know? ever heard of that thing called 'golden rule?
One should not try and kick others from servers if one would not like to be kicked from servers aswell
i wonder why in our days people aren't ashamed of getting called an asshole anymore ... must be a society thing.
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lmao lag armor - a relic from peer to peer - still used as an excuse, never goes outta style.
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Laggers and cheaters... Am I just blind or stupid because I don't seem to spot them on the servers? Guys topping the scoreboard are not laggers and not cheaters. Let's have a few examples. Do you think Leed, TomMyYYy, DaveUKR, Torben, Assarhaddon, Cicero, Georges or Chase for example are laggers or cheaters because they are always topping the scoreboard? Hellno! They are just good players as simple as that. There is really no reason to be mad about some average or below average player who gets few kills by lagging, or by cheating which makes them even more sad individuals... Cheaters will be caught and I don't see any reason to put bad ping players away. Lag armor lol, I haven't met a player who has an armor that my axe can't destroy and slice like it was a bag of sausages if I am skilled enough.
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lag armor is a thing to laugh at - i mean isn't it funny? i think yes 8-)
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I don't give a shit if u give me - votes, it just proves me ur one of those bastards im talking about. If ur so poor u can't afford 10mb connection, well hang ur self.
I live in semi-rural Oregon and with the absolute best connection my ISP can offer me at my current residence I average 180-200 on EU servers. Does this stop me from occasionally sucking it up, hopping on, having my laggy ass kicked but still enjoying the game with my European friends? No.
I know it's hard to believe, but my continent isn't woven out of fiber optic cabling.
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provincial xenophobes
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I would like to thank everyone for the eloquent and constructive arguments that have been brought forth. It is always a pleasure to discuss about game mechanics with fellow intelligent players, that are not only curious about game design, but also have the technical understanding to participate in the discussion at all. Especially Zisa seems to be very knowledgeable, thank you for widening my horizon.
One little thing still bothers me, though. In peer to peer connections, delay issues are actually less problematic than in client-server connections. This makes me wonder about your remark concerning lag armor being a "relic from peer to peer". I'm sure you didn't just mistakenly post false information, considering how well-informed you must be about the technicalities of multiplayer game programming, so could you please educate me on what exactly you meant with that statement?
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I would like to thank everyone for the eloquent and constructive arguments that have been brought forth. It is always a pleasure to discuss about game mechanics with fellow intelligent players, that are not only curious about game design, but also have the technical understanding to participate in the discussion at all. Especially Zisa seems to be very knowledgeable, thank you for widening my horizon.
One little thing still bothers me, though. In peer to peer connections, delay issues are actually less problematic than in client-server connections. This makes me wonder about your remark concerning lag armor being a "relic from peer to peer". I'm sure you didn't just mistakenly post false information, considering how well-informed you must be about the technicalities of multiplayer game programming, so could you please educate me on what exactly you meant with that statement?
Your eloquent nonsense is indeed misinformation. It was a common whine in days gone by with peer to peer, which has no doubt been improved, but was always the battle cry of weak minded fools who refused to learn the force (Jedi Knight 2 - Dark Forces). Or, learn how to lag shoot when most people where on 56k modems - i.e. adjust to the game presented instead of the imaginary game thought to be played.
Since it is all too common to seek out an excuse for defeat rather then learn from mistakes, I am not surprised to see the dreaded 'lagger' tag. Older whiners pass on their 'knowledge', their bitterness and their sense of being wrong when they are defeated in a game, it is natural but unfortunate that impressionable minds (i.e. fools) succumb to these winds.
Since your are also obviously a fucking zombie, and thus brain dead, I commend your efforts at argument but scowl at your efforts at a straw argument - perhaps you are genetically related to scarecrows, or the spell of your creation was very similar.
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Jedi Knight 2 - Dark Forces uses client-server connections. Anything else to add?
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Jedi Knight 2 - Dark Forces uses client-server connections. Anything else to add?
Yes numbnuts, you had to learn how to compensate for the lag, I played it. It's an old game. You are not going to score points here.
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I know the game quite well, made maps for it and modded it, was quite active on The Massassi Temple for a while. I don't see why you brought it up, but while we're at it, I'd like to remark that its weapons had very low projectile speed (5-10 m/s, IIRC). This was the main reason you had to lead with your aim, not bad connections. I am also not sure how you can "lag shoot" someone that does a turn, but the game on your machine shows him running straight, because the packets with the information about his turn have not yet arrived at the server, and your client is interpolating his last position with his last known velocity. Maybe you can mind-read other players you are connected to? Are you some kind of digital telepath?
By the way, people with high ping were regularly kicked by the host in JK: DF2. I sure do wonder why...
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I know the game quite well, made maps for it and modded it, was quite active on The Massassi Temple for a while. I don't see why you brought it up, but while we're at it, I'd like to remark that its weapons had very low projectile speed (5-10 m/s, IIRC). This was the main reason you had to lead with your aim, not bad connections. I am also not sure how you can "lag shoot" someone that does a turn, but the game on your machine shows him running straight, because the packets with the information about his turn have not yet arrived at the server, and your client is interpolating his last position with his last known velocity. Maybe you can mind-read other players you are connected to? Are you some kind of digital telepath?
By the way, people with high ping were regularly kicked by the host in JK: DF2. I sure do wonder why...
Yes, there was many a whine ' Lag armour' wtf.. until the wise started sharing this tip:
Do not attack where you think he is...
Attack where he is going to be.
So you either learned prediction, and thus somewhat of how your opponent thought, or you died, whined and complained that there was something wrong.
This was the single most important tip when dealing with 'lag', and some would hear it but not understand, complaining of some unfair advantage that did not exist and patently shown to be false when someone else would kill the so called lagger.
Packet loss is caused by mischievous daemons for reasons unknown, probably to fuck with you.
Yes.
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Oo Massive discussion. Didn't mind reading, just posted this instead :mrgreen: