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Title: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 04:37:29 am
Are servers that aren't official allowed to lets tks/tw's happen on their server?
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Earthdforce on October 13, 2011, 04:40:17 am
I don't see why not..that would depend on their server rules, unless I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 04:43:18 am
Quote from: Earthdforce on October 13, 2011, 04:40:17 am
I don't see why not..that would depend on their server rules, unless I'm mistaken.

Really, I only ask because the Core rules state this:
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Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Reinhardt on October 13, 2011, 04:43:39 am
But all servers must abide by specific generalized rules, correct?
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Earthdforce on October 13, 2011, 04:45:20 am
Quote from: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 04:43:18 am
Really, I only ask because the Core rules state this:
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Then no, they can't, unless you don't care for gaining xp/gold from the server.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 04:47:57 am
And if I have a complaint for a server breaking these rules, or atleast saying they don't care from an admin?
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Earthdforce on October 13, 2011, 04:56:29 am
Probably let Meow know through IRC or PMs. Maybe cmp..
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: LordBerenger on October 13, 2011, 05:04:02 am
Not playing cRPG anymore but anyhow. Is it possible/allowed to turn off friendly fire if you got it connected to DB?

Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Earthdforce on October 13, 2011, 05:08:04 am
Quote from: CountBerenger on October 13, 2011, 05:04:02 am
Not playing cRPG anymore but anyhow. Is it possible/allowed to turn off friendly fire if you got it connected to DB?


Yes, I believe that is allowed.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Tydeus on October 13, 2011, 05:19:35 am
Quote from: Earthdforce on October 13, 2011, 05:08:04 am
Yes, I believe that is allowed.
I'm not so sure. At the very least, I know for a fact that if it is a DTV server, you have to have FF at 50%.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Kafein on October 13, 2011, 01:10:22 pm
Server are allowed to have additionnal rules (but not to "lock" the server indirectly, there is no clear distinction though, the dev team is the authority on that matter). But I think all the official rules are mandatory. I may be wrong.

However, afaik FF is off on DTV servers. You hit through teammates.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Horns_Archive on October 13, 2011, 05:52:02 pm
I believe some One very imoperant once said on your own servers you can do whatever the hell you want except aboose game modes for your own benefit like those silly Chinese  :P XD  than you not only get the ban hammer on your server butt also everyone in it when your caught
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 05:57:31 pm
Quote from: Horns on October 13, 2011, 05:52:02 pm
I believe some One very imoperant once said on your own servers you can do whatever the hell you want except aboose game modes for your own benefit like those silly Chinese  :P XD  than you not only get the ban hammer on your server butt also everyone in it when your caught

That's why I ask! I heard that, but the offical rules to get connected are stated up above. I was just wondering which is right, and if the official is right, the who do I complain too.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Meow on October 13, 2011, 06:19:46 pm
Yeah basically these (you already posted them above):
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are the core rules that we enforce on every server that is connected to the database.
If you find a server where those are not enforced you should at first contact the server operator.
You can find server info threads here: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,46.0.html
and here: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,59.0.htm

those mostly feature additional rules to our's and you can normally just PM the person who created the thread and tell him/her about your problems with the server.
If that person does not do anything about it and the server stays in a state where core rules are broken feel free to contact me by forum pm or irc and i will look into it.

This will most likely not end in an instant disconnect for the server but in me talking to the server operator and making them aware that they are running the risk of getting disconnected.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Horns_Archive on October 13, 2011, 06:24:57 pm
Dang it some important person was fucking wrong D:
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Meow on October 13, 2011, 06:29:21 pm
Quote from: Horns on October 13, 2011, 06:24:57 pm
Dang it some important person was fucking wrong D:

Nah that mainly was about people getting kicked and banned then trying to get the server disconnected because it wasn't their fault ;)

We do not force servers to unban people.
The only real requirement is that the server is accessible by the community and people can play on it.

So as long as a server is not banning EVERYONE except their clan and friends they can decide who to kick and ban without a reason.

That's what the whole "do whatever they want" was about.

Same goes for some other stuff like disallowing horse archers or enforcing endmatch duels and stuff.

With the amount of servers at the moment people can decide where to play so if they dislike some of those extra rules or being banned they can always play somewhere else.

That freedom does in no way replace any part of the core rules though :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 08:44:28 pm
Ok so would this be considered a problem?
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Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 13, 2011, 08:45:31 pm
How did I know this was about Haven...  :rolleyes:

I must be a wizard.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 08:46:52 pm
Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on October 13, 2011, 08:45:31 pm
How did I know this was about Haven...  :rolleyes:

I must be a wizard.

Meh, everyone figured it out real quick.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 13, 2011, 08:48:36 pm
It was my first thought the instant I read the OP to be honest.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 08:51:17 pm
Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on October 13, 2011, 08:48:36 pm
It was my first thought the instant I read the OP to be honest.

You and about everyone else I know.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Balton on October 13, 2011, 09:03:42 pm
It's kind of silly how servers are allowed to ban people without reason, yet have to follow a set of global rules. If that is the case, can't they just ban everyone who complains about their servers not enforcing global rules, and then, with everyone who would report them out of the way, not enforce global rules?

Especially if the first offense isn't a disconnect, in which case, the person who brings the offense to attention of the developers, will get banned, but the server won't be shut down. And if that person is in a clan, then as punishment for tattletaling (the English language has such a terrible word choice for this action), they can ban the entire clan, or friends of the person, or what not. A truly humorous system.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: LordBerenger on October 13, 2011, 09:13:29 pm
Quote from: Balton on October 13, 2011, 09:03:42 pm
It's kind of silly how servers are allowed to ban people without reason, yet have to follow a set of global rules. If that is the case, can't they just ban everyone who complains about their servers not enforcing global rules, and then, with everyone who would report them out of the way, not enforce global rules?

Especially if the first offense isn't a disconnect, in which case, the person who brings the offense to attention of the developers, will get banned, but the server won't be shut down. And if that person is in a clan, then as punishment for tattletaling (the English language has such a terrible word choice for this action), they can ban the entire clan, or friends of the person, or what not. A truly humorous system.

Omg it's Balton! /Crowd Cheer
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Meow on October 13, 2011, 10:17:45 pm
Disconnected as an admin obviously did not read the rules...

Also wb balton :mrgreen:

And no, normally this is done by pm or irc so people don't know who reported them.
Also i do check servers with my alts and when people get banned for complaining on servers they come to me so i have an eye on those servers.

For now this system works fine and enforces some basic rules like in this case punishing or at least warning for teamwounding which did not happen.

Also we still have this in case the other stuff fails or we just have a bad day:

Quote from: Meow on May 15, 2011, 02:53:23 pm
We reserve the right to terminate your server's database connection at any time without giving a reason.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: LordBerenger on October 13, 2011, 10:34:30 pm
Quote from: Earthdforce on October 13, 2011, 05:08:04 am
Yes, I believe that is allowed.

Sweet. If i still played CRPG would just got a serv without FF. Damn FF ridiculous for Rambo Solo Players only. And people's only problem with no FF would be that ''Spam fever'' would come.

Lol if you take FF away you would make admins job 50% easier atleast.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Digglez on October 13, 2011, 10:36:40 pm
Quote from: CountBerenger on October 13, 2011, 10:34:30 pm
Lol if you take FF away you would make admins job 50% easier atleast.

you also end up with a skillless spam fest
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: PieParadox on October 13, 2011, 10:49:49 pm
Honestly haven is the most fun server to play on NA. (O ya we only have 2 active ones)

Honestly, if you can't deal with everyone messing around and having fun on that server, leave, everyone else is having fun lol. I personally kill every teammate within range every round (ban me plz). Hardly worth making a thread about a couple TWs. Talk to Jesterer, then get Allers to talk to you seriously.

Don't try to disconnect the only other useful NA server!
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Allers on October 13, 2011, 10:52:37 pm
before this BOZO puts words in my mouth i said the tk is allowed when its two friends tking eachother because theyre OK with it. we see all the time 2 people WHO ARE FRIENDS OR CLANMATEs tking because they are obviously in teamspeak/vent and are ok with it. I ddint see any of the other admins doing anything about it so i assumed it correct. I also saw in either old ATS servers or NA servers (Prob NA) they did this too

Our server is the most popular NA server besides the Normal NA_CRPG ones. If people didnt like the server theyd be going to a different one right? They obviously like to play on our server. Weve heard from many people that its theyre favorite server and people like Anders who QQ about everything and want to get admin everywhere need to leave

Today the chaos raided our server and i was the last one. On our server we have a duel rule. It states that when you are the last one and there are 5 or less people left you can force duels. Thats what i did. While i was dueling the flag came up and they all rushed to it. I said in admin chat and in normal chat get away from the flag. Of course they didnt listen. So i finished my duel and then they capped the flag. I kicked them (2 people) because they didnt listen to the admin chat ( i said multiple times). All of chaos instantly leaves the server and i start getting rage PMs particularily by Patrick. Hes raging at me saying im a kid rager because I kicked them for not following rules? He tries to act smart with me by saying it wasnt in the rules. BUT i said in admin chat.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 10:58:44 pm
Quote from: Allers on October 13, 2011, 10:52:37 pm
before this BOZO puts words in my mouth i said the tk is allowed when its two friends tking eachother because theyre OK with it. we see all the time 2 people WHO ARE FRIENDS OR CLANMATEs tking because they are obviously in teamspeak/vent and are ok with it

Allers, look at my screen shots. I didn't put words in your mouth. You put the words there yourself.

Though the DC was entirely unexpected. I just wanted the offense(if it was, as I said up above, I didn't know if it was) to be recorded for the record.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: LordBerenger on October 13, 2011, 10:59:10 pm
Quote from: Digglez on October 13, 2011, 10:36:40 pm
you also end up with a skillless spam fest

Skillless spam fest > Ban threads/Unban threads every minute about Team killing/damage
and people griefing with FF.

Dunno if it's hard coded but...maybe your attacks could stop when you would hit through a teammate and thus ''bounce off'' the teammates character. If you understand where i'm going with this. Similar to thrusting your weapon into the ground.

But i'm not sure if it's hard coded or not.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 13, 2011, 11:00:02 pm
Technically even if it is two friends, it is still not allowed. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Miracle on October 13, 2011, 11:01:05 pm
I have seen TKing on the Haven server, but there was punishment for it.  Granted it wasn't a kick/ban and just a mute, it still is punishment.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Allers on October 13, 2011, 11:01:34 pm
yes anders but you didnt screenshot the rest of it
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Allers on October 13, 2011, 11:03:50 pm
Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on October 13, 2011, 11:00:02 pm
Technically even if it is two friends, it is still not allowed. *shrugs*

Thats what i heard from the NA servers....
not going to say which admin said it
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 13, 2011, 11:04:36 pm
Quote from: Allers on October 13, 2011, 11:03:50 pm
Thats what i heard from the NA servers....
not going to say which admin said it

I can think of a few who would say it...
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 13, 2011, 11:06:01 pm
Quote from: Allers on October 13, 2011, 11:01:34 pm
yes anders but you didnt screenshot the rest of it

There was nothing else beside that. The other stuff concerned the duels rule of your server. You can easy access the logs and post them in your defense if you feel like I have wronged you or your server. My own clan likes the server too.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Patricia on October 13, 2011, 11:11:44 pm
Ah, that's funny! It got disconnected like what, 10 minutes after I got kicked along with all of the guys from Chaos because allers kiddie raged.

He asked for duel while there was the master of the field flag. We respected the duel rule by dueling him but then he lost the round anyway and kicked us all out of rage.

He also told me on steam that since it's his server and he's an admin, he's above the rule and he doesn't have to enforce them himself or his clanmates/admins but everyone else has to.

See for yourself:

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Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Allers on October 13, 2011, 11:15:13 pm
I didnt lose the round i lost the round when you capped it you were being smart and saying they were waiting for their turn to duel. No. They were sitting there capturing the flag and when i got near one of them to stop the cap theyd attack me AFTER i called duels I warned them 4 times in chat and in admin chat but they didnt listen and so i kicked them
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Patricia on October 13, 2011, 11:19:37 pm
Quote from: Allers on October 13, 2011, 11:15:13 pm
I didnt lose the round i lost the round when you capped it you were being smart and saying they were waiting for their turn to duel. No. They were sitting there capturing the flag and when i got near one of them to stop the cap theyd attack me AFTER i called duels I warned them 4 times in chat and in admin chat but they didnt listen and so i kicked them


Only mentok took 1 slash at you, the rest of the time they were just sitting there watching you run to them, and in the end you still kicked us all.

Don't get me wrong, I like the server, but holy shit, the admins are full of shit and never even follow their own rules, including you.

I think we should need more admins from the community, not strictly Haven members, causing a HUGE bias, and possibly also a head admin that actually has a sense of how to properly run and admin a server.
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Allers on October 13, 2011, 11:27:36 pm
kicked us all (mentok and joseph) Yeah that was all of Chaos - the only ones who were capping
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Meow on October 13, 2011, 11:33:11 pm
They sacrificed Allers for a second chance.

Before this happened i heard too many people say they like the 30slot server so have fun i guess.
And consider this a second chance with me totally spying on you all the time :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Question: Are servers allowed....
Post by: Malke on October 13, 2011, 11:34:18 pm
Cool thing, this server is fun although I don't particularly like most of the admins I honestly prefer it over many other servers.. Unfortunately.