Make it 2h proficiency. Its really nice addition but hardly anyone uses it. Now, with collision changes, its even more useful, but its not possible to have both enough 2h wpfs to be competetive against dedicated 2-handers and enough wpfs in polearms to make it useful.
First of all, I don't think it is a good idea to do this. It would make 2handers even better at clusterfuck fighting then they are now
You clearly havent used any sort of long weapon for a bit. Currently longer two handed swords get stuck on completely everything around you (and behind you, when doing overheads).Actually I have. They are still very decent in big groups if you actually know how to swing.
Horse rearing is completely useless for polearm mode since you have a much better bet at gravely injuring/killing the rider and his horse with a stab, not to mention you would get outreached.True. But would it not be a bit too powerful to have both normal and halfswording for someone with 6 PS and 157 wpf in both? I say the fact that you have to spread your wpf to be be able to fully use a greatsword is a good thing.
It also doesn't make much sense why someone who dedicates his entire fighting training to 2h swords would be completely unable to use this technique competently, while someone who specializes in polearm weapons (say - a pikeman) would be more than proficient with it. Many people are using the too-strong-for-price mace very often is sieges or massive clusterfucks because it's a lot better than a GS in those, where halfswording should be almost intuitive - while it's far from effective.
I don't really think it would be op, it would still be rather weak and useful only for close quarters combat. It deals less dmg on swings, it has tremendously inferior reach to 2h mode, no overhead. The only advantages are - ever so slightly better for close quarters (and by close quarters I mean heavy clusterfucks, imagine the fight after siege ladder arriving at walls) and higher damage on stab, but I personally find the polearm stab a bit harder to work with slightly.
Even if it DID use 2h prof, I imagine it would still be inferior in 19/20 battle cases and personally I'd nearly never use it since even then overheads are a solid, high dmg standard to use with 2h anims in big fights, ofc halfswording doesn't have overheads and generally weaker attacks. It just feels completely pointless for me atm.
Also, guess why noone uses 2h weps as polearms - they make really shitty polearms.
Its like you know how to drive a car so you want to pilot a plane with your car driving licence.
WPF=Your experience which is gained by fighting with same style.Half swording is very very different technique and it is somehow similar to polearm fighting techniques so it is %100 normal for it to use polearm WPF instead of 2h.
... Actually, you've convinced me. I voted yes but if I could change it to no, I would.That's what happens when someone (kocik) comes and says what I've been trying to say in a way MUCH better explained than what I did :D
I started to argue that we should do the same thing for all the weapons, because cRPG discourages hybrids so much that these secondary modes don't get any use.
But maybe that's not the point.
Should a person with a throwing axe be able to switch modes to use it as a 1H but still be able to use throwing axe skill? That would be interesting. Pure throwers could also melee decently just with all their points in throwing. Should someone with a Fighting Axe (1H) be able to use it in secondary mode (2H) and still use 1H skill? Should someone with a Long Sword (2h) be able to use it in secondary mode (1H) and still use 2H skill?
I think most people would say "no" to all of those. Why should half-swording be an exception?
Its like you know how to drive a car so you want to pilot a plane with your car driving licence.
WPF=Your experience which is gained by fighting with same style.Half swording is very very different technique and it is somehow similar to polearm fighting techniques so it is %100 normal for it to use polearm WPF instead of 2h.
Its like you know how to drive a car so you want to pilot a plane with your car driving licence.
No from me.
This (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14707.msg207293.html#msg207293) was my suggestion about giving 2h mode for poleaxes but i think even if that happens,poleaxe on 2h mode should use 2h wpf.
Just same as this situation.
WPF=Your experience which is gained by fighting with same style.Half swording is very very different technique and it is somehow similar to polearm fighting techniques so it is %100 normal for it to use polearm WPF instead of 2h.
Its like you know how to drive a car so you want to pilot a plane with your car driving licence.
No from me.
Yes, because it makes sense.
1. Realism argument.1.Of course i base my suggestions to realism.Otherwise add lightsabers instead.
2. So in your opinion in real life if a skilled swordsman is using his two handed sword with halfswording technique he is also experienced and proficient while using halberds, poleaxes and all other polearm weapons? Since thats what comes out logically if your argument is valid.
Thinking of it in a different way, suppose you are a master swordman... wouldn't you know how to use that sword in different ways?No lol
Someone with high proficiency isn't going to be like WOAH I'VE NEVER HELD THIS WEAPON LIKE THIS BEFORE BWAAAA, they are going to be experienced in all forms of the weapon.
So I vote yes.
1.Of course i base my suggestions to realism.Otherwise add lightsabers instead.
2.Basically yes halfswording attack and block tecniques are closer to poleaxe fight rather than great sword fights.Usage of every aspect of the weapon,stronger stabs,surprise attacks,über balanced and powerful slashes...
3.All i say is halfswording is completely different and requires different training than normal sword fighting.If you want to use it properly,you should learn the tecnique (WPF) first.
No lol
You start this game as a peasant not "master swordsman" . If you want to become a "master swordsman" just get high "weapon master" skill and pump your wpf to 2handed and polearm therefore you'll learn both regular sword technique and half-swording capiche ?
Oh, it completely makes sense. Holding your sword in a bit different way clearly is more like using a halberd than using the mentioned sword normally.Halfswording was a technique 2hers used against other 2hers in plate armor. In other words it was an advanced fighting style for special purpose. Even the biggest halfswording pro wasn't able to do shit with polearms, if he didn't train it.
Then make 1 handing spears a different proficiency.YES! Then we can actually boost hoplites without a bazillion retards shouting "BUT POLEARMS ARE OP!" when the shield&spear is COMPLETELY different from a poleaxe/glaive/whatever.
Would be amazing to see this changed, im loling at the people saying "but you hold it like a polearm, so it must be used like one!" Fact is... anyone training with a greatsword would train in halfswording as well, as was already said, that doesnt mean hes gonna be able to use a halberd.Sigh. How hard is it to understand that you are not "training with a greatsword". You are training by holding the weapon that particular way. For instance. Going around swinging a 2h axe makes you better with greatswords? Makes no sense unless you look at the grip. A guy who trained with Greatswords to be awesome at Greatwords would train with BOTH the styles, normal grip at hilt (2h wpf) and halfswording (pole wpf). In this game the wpp category that closest resembles halfswording is polearm. Is it correct that a guy who knows how to use a poleaxe should be good with a sword? No. But the same can be said for a guy who is good with using a pike. A pike is VASTLY different from a glaive/axe/spear, yet they use the same wpf. Same with a maul/sword/morningstar for 2handers. Yet they all use the same wpf.
Love that there is an option to use halfswording, hate that this commonly used GS fighting style is not viable, iv been trying to use this in siege, and its completely useless.
Sigh. How hard is it to understand that you are not "training with a greatsword". You are training by holding the weapon that particular way. For instance. Going around swinging a 2h axe makes you better with greatswords? Makes no sense unless you look at the grip. A guy who trained with Greatswords to be awesome at Greatwords would train with BOTH the styles, normal grip at hilt (2h wpf) and halfswording (pole wpf). In this game the wpp category that closest resembles halfswording is polearm. Is it correct that a guy who knows how to use a poleaxe should be good with a sword? No. But the same can be said for a guy who is good with using a pike. A pike is VASTLY different from a glaive/axe/spear, yet they use the same wpf. Same with a maul/sword/morningstar for 2handers. Yet they all use the same wpf.
Half-sword, in 14th- to 16th-century fencing with the longswords, refers to the technique of gripping the central part of the sword blade with the left hand in order to execute more forceful thrusts against armoured and unarmoured opponents. The term is a translation of the original German Halbschwert. Equivalently, the techniques were referred to as mit dem kurzen Schwert "with the shortened sword."
Half-sword is used for leverage advantage when wrestling with the sword, as well as for delivering a more accurate and powerful thrust. Both of these are critical when fighting in plate armour, because a slice or a cleaving blow from a sword is virtually useless against iron or steel plate. Most medieval treatises show armoured combat as consisting primarily of fighting at the half-sword; the best options against an armoured man being a strong thrust into less-protected areas such as the armpits or throat or, even better, the same against a man who has already been cast to the ground. Some weapons may have been modified specifically for this purpose, sporting what is called a ricasso. Some longswords had a short ricasso, usually too close to the cross and hilt of the blade for practical use in half-swording except as a point of extra leverage in a thrust. The ricasso on larger swords, such as the two-handed sword, provided a longer area more fitting for gripping during half-swording. Filippo Vadi suggests that a sword be sharp only at the tip. It has been suggested that some swords were left unsharpened in a part of the sword a hand's breadth wide about half-way down the blade in order to facilitate this technique.
In Italian and English, "half sword" refers to a crossing of the sword in the middle of the blade, and by extension the relatively close range at which this takes place.
hmm wait so flamberg is best half sword ingame atm (there is only half sword animation) and no one complain
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ah i found that in internet i am not such big proknowlaged :P
but still no ones have to use that weapons like polearms... and stop with that complaining about pole mode coz it make no sens!
how you can use 2 h like polearm???? Pole weapon is some kind of long stick(sometimes only stick) with kind of blade(or mace axe ect) on the end.
maybe dev make pole mode but still is so similar to true halfswording technique(shorter reach weaker swings more powerfull stab you grab sword on balade and... weapon is way slower.... slower)
and do not cry abou that op stab on german coz on mw GGS is some like 33( alwpikes 34~35) and that sta is so short, so it oly for special occasions
not for regular.
btw flamberge is strange.... its like half and half swording :P
If halfswording is changed to use 2h prof, then by the exact same logic the fighting axe, langes messer, military sickle and such should all use 1h prof when used in their alt-mode as 2her's. It's not like someone who is training to use a langes messer would just suddenly forget what the hell is going on if he puts his second hand on the handle.And throwing weapons! It's not like someone who is trained in throwing axes would just suddenly forget what the hell is going on when he uses it in melee!
Exact
same
logic.
Make it happen.
And throwing weapons! It's not like someone who is trained in throwing axes would just suddenly forget what the hell is going on when he uses it in melee!
Exact
same
logic.
It really is silly, isn't it?
If halfswording is changed to use 2h prof, then by the exact same logic the fighting axe, langes messer, military sickle and such should all use 1h prof when used in their alt-mode as 2her's. It's not like someone who is training to use a langes messer would just suddenly forget what the hell is going on if he puts his second hand on the handle.Those weapons should use either wpf, whichever is greater.
Exact
same
logic.
Make it happen.
Those weapons should use either wpf, whichever is greater.
No. They should use whatever wpf their starting "class" is. Otherwise 2hers that can halfsword should use 2her or polearm wpf, whichever is greater.So does it scare you more to face throw axe with 140 wpf or throw axe with 1h 1 wpf... in melee.
Since the base class for langes/fighting axe/mil sickle/etc is 1her, it should use 1her.
throwing weapons = throwing wpf
2hers/halfsworded = 2her
By just having them use "whichever is greater" we're getting into the territory of why bother having wpf classes at all.
So does it scare you more to face throw axe with 140 wpf or throw axe with 1h 1 wpf... in melee.
What?I do not get why you are against these bastard weapons using highest prof, by your logic all bastard weapons use 1h?
With what I'm saying the thrower would have that 140wpf on his side which would be a buff, obviously.
I'm not actually against the idea of buffing people equally.
how many other idiots besides me uses langes 2h etc?
I do not get why you are against these bastard weapons using highest prof, by your logic all bastard weapons use 1h?