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Title: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: oldscorp on October 07, 2011, 10:00:47 pm
How am i suposed to make money and aford to wear better gear than rags and club when the upkeep is so high and im x1 80% of the time because team balancing sucks and im always against a team were 10% are the grey clan or druzina?
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: rustyspoon on October 07, 2011, 10:07:26 pm
Hey, how about keeping this to 1 thread and not having a biased vote?

Also, upkeep is fine. If you're losing an obscene amount of money, you are doing something wrong.

According to your other thread you are level 27. You should already have a decent amount of money saved unless you blew it all on crap. Do you have 100 WPF for the weapon types that you are using? If you don't, your shit is going to break a lot. Are you playing siege? Longer rounds mean a greater chance of shit breaking.

Upkeep is very balanced nowadays and quite easy to deal with. I'm guessing you are doing something wrong if you are losing 100-3000 a match, as that is what you are saying in your other thread. Or, you're just exaggerating. Probably a combination of the two.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Xant on October 07, 2011, 10:11:40 pm
Your poll sucks. Have a "It's fine" option.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Patricia on October 07, 2011, 10:11:56 pm
I've been running around in full plate with my longsword with 103 wpf for almost 2 weeks now and I still break even or even gain money more often than not.

I also agree with the extremely biased poll and suck major dicks.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on October 07, 2011, 11:45:18 pm
Stupid poll, stupid suggestion and stupid initiator, because there are already about 5 threads regarding that theme.... :rolleyes:

Upkeep is fine. Maybe you should start something like light armour for x1/2 and heavy for x3/4/5.
Or learn to play without heavy plate^.^

There are lots of players who can get a couple of kills per round even when they use light stuff ;-)

Maxbe you don't know the time before the upkeep became what it is now, but 15-20 fully plated guys per team isn't funny :/
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Erathsmus on October 08, 2011, 03:32:04 am
This pole's so crooked a stripper couldn't dance on it.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Teeth on October 08, 2011, 02:29:28 pm
I use 40k gear on my 2h and make money. I use 53k gear on my horseman alt after buying a destrier and made enough money to buy a courser about ten hours later. Stop playing siege and go play battle.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Duke on October 09, 2011, 05:25:50 am
I use 40k gear on my 2h and make money. I use 53k gear on my horseman alt after buying a destrier and made enough money to buy a courser about ten hours later. Stop playing siege and go play battle.
So the only mode that should be played is Battle?

:|
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 09, 2011, 07:06:37 am
Yeah poll sucks.

I do find I loose between 250 and 1500 when I get hit up for up keep, which is a mostly every second round, if I avg it out. It is a bit of shock at the end of a 2min round (I play in Australia with 20 people, bite me.) to loose 1500. Yay I made 100 and lost 1500. Sweet! I'm only down 1400, now where is that whoring corner so I can whore myself out of debt.

My rig is;
Side Sword
Heater Shield
Heraldic mait with surcoat
Cav Chichakankakenrekrnerenrner KRAKEN~!~
Khergit Gaurd Boots
Plate Mittens
Rouncy
Cost 44,932.

And some time if I feel like pissing money up the wall I take an Arbalest and fire it from the back o me horse, yes only one shot.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: OttomanSniper on October 09, 2011, 07:33:59 am
Armor: 14h 40b 33l Cost: 106,306 gold Slots: 4/4 (Some items heirloomed.)

Horse archery items upkeep is too high. Look at my armor.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Teeth on October 09, 2011, 12:38:29 pm
Dont be lazy and calculate your actual repair gear cost, cause those heirlooms really increase your gear 'cost'. My actual gear cost is 40k, my gear cost that is displayed at my equipment page is 66k. All these heirloomed gear prices that are posted in threads like these really don't help to give a good indication of upkeep.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Patricia on October 09, 2011, 02:36:22 pm
Armor: 14h 40b 33l Cost: 106,306 gold Slots: 4/4 (Some items heirloomed.)

Horse archery items upkeep is too high. Look at my armor.

Heirloomed items up the total price without changing the initial upkeep.

Also, from this price and armor, I can only conclude that you're using an extremely expensive and heavy horse, such as the Mamluk or Cataphract or Charger, or maybe even plated charger, in which case that's your own problem.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Jarlek on October 09, 2011, 02:42:17 pm
Yeah poll sucks.

I do find I loose between 250 and 1500 when I get hit up for up keep, which is a mostly every second round, if I avg it out. It is a bit of shock at the end of a 2min round (I play in Australia with 20 people, bite me.) to loose 1500. Yay I made 100 and lost 1500. Sweet! I'm only down 1400, now where is that whoring corner so I can whore myself out of debt.

My rig is;
Side Sword
Heater Shield
Heraldic mait with surcoat
Cav Chichakankakenrekrnerenrner KRAKEN~!~
Khergit Gaurd Boots
Plate Mittens
Rouncy
Cost 44,932.

And some time if I feel like pissing money up the wall I take an Arbalest and fire it from the back o me horse, yes only one shot.
Ok, Jarlek to the rescue. Let's go over your equipment and see how we can reduce your upkeep without making you weaker.

Side Sword: One of the expensive 1handers. I'm gonna say to you the same that I say to people using the Knightly Arming Sword. Wtf, dude? Why are you taking such an expensive weapon when there are cheaper versions of it that are exactly the same or even better stat wise?
For my example. Here is Knightly Arming Sword:
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And here is Long Arming Sword:
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The only difference? 1 fucking cut damage. One. They have the same speed, length, stab, weight and difficulty.

The price difference is 2.2k. Why the fuck would you take the Knightly? Same goes for the Side Sword. You want a fast sword with a good stab? Try switching to the Italian sword. You lose 3 stab, but gain 3 slash. You lose 1 speed but gain 3 length. The price difference is 1.4k. Enough to make a difference.

Heater Shield: Good choice. Nice 1 slot shield for little money. No change necessary.

Heraldic Mail With Surcoat: Armour should be the last you downgrade. That being said. You can use lighter armour for making money. I use Blue Tunic Over Mail as my money maker. Cheap without being crappy.

Khergit Guard Boots: Boots are the last you should spend money on. The only exception is cav (which both of us are) so I guess your gonna have to keep this one. Just remember to downgrade it when you don't take the horse.

Plate Mittens: The FUCK dude? No. Just. NO! There is NEVER a reason to take such high weight, high cost, shitty defence gloves. This thing here costs more than your bloody weapon! It's in the price range of the greatswords and the glaive! You want the best defense for the cost? Take Wisby Gauntlets or Mail Gauntlets. You want to spend more money on defence? Upgrade the ARMOUR and not the gloves.

Rouncey: Good horse to make money with. Maybe take some lesser armour to constantly make more money. Upgrade the horse when you got an x3 or above so you can keep it rolling for as long as possible.


Also I just noticed one thing:

Yeah poll sucks.

I do find I loose between 250 and 1500 when I get hit up for up keep,
Bolded the important part.

You DON'T repair every round. But when you repair you repair a lot. They increased the repair percentage but decreased the repair chance. Meaning, you repair less times but you repair for more. OF COURSE you're gonna lose money those rounds you repair shit. That's because you gain money on every single round you don't repair.

Rawr.

Jarlek out.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Xant on October 09, 2011, 03:19:57 pm
Plate Mittens: The FUCK dude? No. Just. NO! There is NEVER a reason to take such high weight, high cost, shitty defence gloves. This thing here costs more than your bloody weapon! It's in the price range of the greatswords and the glaive! You want the best defense for the cost? Take Wisby Gauntlets or Mail Gauntlets. You want to spend more money on defence? Upgrade the ARMOUR and not the gloves.


Lol wut? Plate Mittens give 10 armor for 1.5 weight. Which body armor gives the same? It costs yes, but how is it "shitty defence gloves"?  :lol:
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Jarlek on October 09, 2011, 03:25:20 pm
Lol wut? Plate Mittens give 10 armor for 1.5 weight. Which body armor gives the same? It costs yes, but how is it "shitty defence gloves"?  :lol:
weight x3, so 4.5. Padded Leather is 4.5 and gives you 27 and 10 leg. Which one gives the most armour compared to weight? It's also only 1.6k and not 10k.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Xant on October 09, 2011, 03:30:27 pm
weight x3, so 4.5. Padded Leather is 4.5 and gives you 27 and 10 leg. Which one gives the most armour compared to weight? It's also only 1.6k and not 10k.

Weight x3 just when caluclating WPF, no? Otherwise why doesn't it say "4.5" weight directly if it really is 4.5 weight?

Nevertheless, let's say it's 4.5 weight. 10 Armor for 4.5... you won't get that in body armors. 1 armor = 1 weight in the medium and high tier bodyarmors.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Jarlek on October 09, 2011, 06:08:04 pm
Weight x3 just when caluclating WPF, no? Otherwise why doesn't it say "4.5" weight directly if it really is 4.5 weight?

Nevertheless, let's say it's 4.5 weight. 10 Armor for 4.5... you won't get that in body armors. 1 armor = 1 weight in the medium and high tier bodyarmors.
1 armour = 1 weight?

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Nope. Not for this one.

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Not this one either.

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and again!

So nice bullshit there!

But you are right, it probably isn't that bad in a weight to armour ratio, but we are talking about armour to cost here so your points and opinion are (as always) completely useless.

Have a nice day, sucka :D
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Xant on October 09, 2011, 06:40:10 pm
1 armour = 1 weight?

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Nope. Not for this one.

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Not this one either.

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and again!

So nice bullshit there!

But you are right, it probably isn't that bad in a weight to armour ratio, but we are talking about armour to cost here so your points and opinion are (as always) completely useless.

Have a nice day, sucka :D
Studded Leather over Mail
weight: 13.5
body armor: 43

+1 lbs +1 armor

Heavy Kuyak
weight: 14.5
body armor: 44

Let's look at what we get when we go 1 lbs heavier..

Banded Armor
weight: 15.5
body armor: 45

Hmm okay.. maybe that's a coincidence..

Black Coat of Plates
weight: 19.5
body armor: 50

Hoo boy, it's actually 5 armor for 4 lbs!

Then..

White Transitional Armor with Surcoat
weight: 22
body armor: 53

3 armor for 2.5 lbs..

Black Armor
weight: 29
body armor: 60

7 armor for 7 lbs..

Obviously I'm not talking about the total weight vs armor ratio being 1:1, that'd be retarded... and beyond the point.... say you are wearing heavy kuyak.. 14.5 weight, 44 armor.. you then want more armor, which is better... 16.5 weight for 46 armor ... (+2 lbs +2 armor..).. or 1.5 (or 4.5) more lbs and +10 armor? You won't get the same armor values from just upgrading your body armor..
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Teeth on October 09, 2011, 09:08:33 pm
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Dat attitude! Funny how you bring up armours that exactly prove Xant's statement. Blame your own reading comprehension cause Xant is right.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Jarlek on October 09, 2011, 09:19:02 pm
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Obviously I'm not talking about the total weight vs armor ratio being 1:1, that'd be retarded... and beyond the point.... say you are wearing heavy kuyak.. 14.5 weight, 44 armor.. you then want more armor, which is better... 16.5 weight for 46 armor ... (+2 lbs +2 armor..).. or 1.5 (or 4.5) more lbs and +10 armor? You won't get the same armor values from just upgrading your body armor..

Ahhh, you were talking about upgrading armour. That makes more sense (you can agree that what I thought you said, 1 pound for 1 armour, sounded retarded xD)

And I never meant that gloves arent usefull at all, but they are not the best weight/cost wise. They are often when you want to upgrade a little bit, but he was wearing plate gloves with heraldic mail. Which is much more efficient (especially costwise) with mail/wisby gauntlets.

Dat attitude! Funny how you bring up armours that exactly prove Xant's statement. Blame your own reading comprehension cause Xant is right.
Improve your own reading comprehension. Me and Xant were talking about different things and we just both found it out. Think about your own attitude.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Teeth on October 10, 2011, 12:29:48 am
Improve your own reading comprehension. Me and Xant were talking about different things and we just both found it out. Think about your own attitude.
What the hell are you on about? You just completely misunderstood Xant and made various insults to his intelligence because you failed to comprehend his post. Something to which I found amusing cause you were talking smack on Xant as a result of personal failing. I reply to that and now you say there is something wrong with my reading comprehension? Please explain what I misread in this thread.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Jarlek on October 10, 2011, 01:13:21 am
What the hell are you on about? You just completely misunderstood Xant and made various insults to his intelligence because you failed to comprehend his post. Something to which I found amusing cause you were talking smack on Xant as a result of personal failing. I reply to that and now you say there is something wrong with my reading comprehension? Please explain what I misread in this thread.
"1 armor = 1 weight in the medium and high tier bodyarmors."

I mistook this to mean that the weight=the armour of medium/heavy armours.

He meant that every extra weight gives only an extra armour point.

Considering what he wrote, it make more sense what I thought he meant.

He then pointed it out, and agreed that what I mistook it for was retarded,  and I then agreed that what he really meant.

You then shit all over the place and laughed at my reading comprehension.

Be honest now, what does this sound the most like:
"1 armor = 1 weight in the medium and high tier bodyarmors."

That armours have 1 armour per pound or that you gain one armour for every extra pound when you upgrade the armour?

If you really think the last one then you need to get your head fixed.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Patricia on October 10, 2011, 01:27:18 am
weight x3, so 4.5. Padded Leather is 4.5 and gives you 27 and 10 leg. Which one gives the most armour compared to weight? It's also only 1.6k and not 10k.

Do you either run naked with gloves or with armor and no gloves?

They're meant to be used together, not separately, and if anything gloves are overpowered, specially heirloomed.

+16 body armor? LOL! k.

Here, let me equip this 27 body armor nomad robe and have fucking 43 body armor.

Here, let me equip this 63 body armor lordly gothic plate and have fucking 79 body armor.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Jarlek on October 10, 2011, 01:33:47 am
Do you either run naked with gloves or with armor and no gloves?

They're meant to be used together, not separately, and if anything gloves are overpowered, specially heirloomed.

+16 body armor? LOL! k.

Here, let me equip this 27 body armor nomad robe and have fucking 43 body armor.

Here, let me equip this 63 body armor lordly gothic plate and have fucking 79 body armor.
Of course. I was origionally talking about it being useless to use with that low armour. He's better off with mail gauntlets or wisby. ESPECIALLY money wise, as was the original discussion.

I personally always run with gloves, they can be good weight wise if you know how to match them with your armour. My personal cost/weight/effectiveness wise are the mail gauntlets.

And yeah, armour looms in general are OP, especially the gloves.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Xant on October 10, 2011, 01:39:15 am
Oh y'all. I think we can at least all agree on one thing. Bjord is retarded.
Title: Re: Upkeep price sucks
Post by: Teeth on October 10, 2011, 11:38:06 am
You then shit all over the place and laughed at my reading comprehension.
Yeah I understood what Xant meant out of that sentence, together with the context of the post it wasn't that hard to grasp. I wouldnt have made my post if you werent being an utter douche.