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Title: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Mustang_Sweets on February 01, 2011, 04:23:37 pm
Okay, I just found out that masterworking my Espada Eslavona doesn't seem worth it. This comes majorly from the fact that at masterwork it only ends up with +3 cut +4 pierce +2 speed. What happened to my +4 +4 +2? Shoulda I complete this heirloom or just sit on it till a hopeful fix and heirloom something else?

So it's total stats in the end are

Balanced Espada Eslavona
weight - 1
requirement - 10
spd rtng - 101
weapon length - 90
swing damage - 29, cut
thrust damage - 32 pierce

Masterwork Espada Eslavona
weight - 1
requirement - 10
spd rtng - 102
weapon length - 90
swing damage - 29, cut
thrust damage - 33 pierce
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Earthdforce on February 01, 2011, 04:58:29 pm
Well what else would you loom?
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: krampe on February 01, 2011, 05:03:31 pm
My broom or well the knightly arming sword
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Balton on February 01, 2011, 05:24:24 pm
As far as I am aware all masterworks were nerfed significantly in the last patch. Mine definitely took a heavy blow.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Engine on February 01, 2011, 06:15:08 pm
It's absolutely not worth heirlooming for 1 extra damage.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: UrLukur on February 01, 2011, 06:42:23 pm
It's absolutely not worth heirlooming for 1 extra damage.

Extra +1 speed ? It's worth it, as long as he use it.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Engine on February 01, 2011, 07:17:25 pm
If it's ALL he uses (a la Walt's awlpike), I can see that. Personally, I don't think +1 dam/speed is worth the ugly grind to 31 all over again.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Yaron on February 01, 2011, 07:37:25 pm
Looks strange, if I look at the other Masterwork Swords .... oO
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Punisher on February 01, 2011, 07:57:10 pm
I think all swords have this problem, not worth getting them past Balanced atm.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Keshian on February 01, 2011, 08:07:07 pm
Tell me about it I was about to heirloom my daodao for the 3rd time and it would be +5 damage/+2 speed total, but the masterwork is +1/+1 of that.  So i heirloomed my great long axe for +.5 weight, +3 cut damage, +1 blunt damage.  I think chadz just hasnt gotten around to rebalancing the heirlooms, because the swords are the worst for it, should only heirlooom twice as masterwork not worth it and the benefits are lesss then other weapons.  My axe with 1 heirloom gets over half the damage bonus that the sword gets in 3 and gets more wight so less likely to get block stunned by heavier weapon and to block stun lighter weapons.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: HeroZero on February 01, 2011, 08:09:22 pm
War Spear heirlooming is also messed up.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Paul on February 01, 2011, 08:50:55 pm
Stuff like that happens because modifiers change by a percentive(+10% balanced, +14% masterwork for 1hand sword) at the moment. In the future we will have more modifier groups to balance a bit better or we will hopefully get the possibility to do mixed modifiers (percentive+fixed increase). The latter is not possible at the moment because of lazy chadz - the first because of lazy me+Fasader.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Keshian on February 02, 2011, 09:07:41 am
Stuff like that happens because modifiers change by a percentive(+10% balanced, +14% masterwork for 1hand sword) at the moment. In the future we will have more modifier groups to balance a bit better or we will hopefully get the possibility to do mixed modifiers (percentive+fixed increase). The latter is not possible at the moment because of lazy chadz - the first because of lazy me+Fasader.

+1 :)
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Garris on February 02, 2011, 05:52:56 pm
I retired yesterday, made my Espada a masterwork.

Masterwork Long Espada Eslavona

weight:  1.25
     req:  10
 speed:  100
 length:  103

 swing:  33 cut
 thrust:  32 pierce

This weapon worth it to you?
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Garris on February 02, 2011, 06:00:05 pm
. . . and it cost about 400 gold to repair.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Gristle on February 03, 2011, 03:26:27 pm
I'm looking forward to masterworking my cleaver (still 2 gens away), and not even for the damage. Just give me that lightning fast 99 speed! Oh yeah!
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Siiem on February 03, 2011, 03:31:36 pm
I heirloomd my sword to masterwork for 1+ dmg 1+ speed. And I'd say it's worth it.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: UrLukur on February 03, 2011, 03:34:11 pm
. . . and it cost about 400 gold to repair.

I pay more for worse item. It's worth it.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Engine on February 03, 2011, 03:58:11 pm
I'm looking forward to masterworking my cleaver (still 2 gens away), and not even for the damage. Just give me that lightning fast 99 speed! Oh yeah!

You sir, are a certified badass.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on February 03, 2011, 09:43:10 pm
Masterwork cleaver is only 98 speed, but that's better than 96 eh?  About the espada eslavona, that's a lot of pierce damage, more than some 2h swords.  Its just too bad the 1h thrust animation sucks.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Siiem on February 04, 2011, 12:22:27 am
Masterwork cleaver is only 98 speed, but that's better than 96 eh?  About the espada eslavona, that's a lot of pierce damage, more than some 2h swords.  Its just too bad the 1h thrust animation sucks.

Some? The only one with more is a MW German greatsword.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Xant on February 04, 2011, 12:26:53 am
103 length, 100 speed, 33 cut, 32 pierce 1h weapon worth it? Hard one, hard one...
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: HeroZero on February 04, 2011, 08:25:16 am
Are you really bitching?

I masterworked my War Spear and lost stats...

32-33p on thrust
22-21b on swing

98-97 speed.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Fasader on February 04, 2011, 08:56:53 am
Stuff like that happens because modifiers change by a percentive(+10% balanced, +14% masterwork for 1hand sword) at the moment. In the future we will have more modifier groups to balance a bit better or we will hopefully get the possibility to do mixed modifiers (percentive+fixed increase). The latter is not possible at the moment because of lazy chadz - the first because of lazy me+Fasader.

nah, it's because espada thingy was sword_high which has worse percentages.

(this particular problem, at least. We're still lazy scum.)
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Gristle on February 04, 2011, 09:32:11 am
Masterwork cleaver is only 98 speed, but that's better than 96 eh?  About the espada eslavona, that's a lot of pierce damage, more than some 2h swords.  Its just too bad the 1h thrust animation sucks.

Hmm, I see I read the heirloom thread wrong. I consider 98 to be just above the "too slow" cutoff line. Good enough for me.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Fasader on February 04, 2011, 09:47:14 am
Are you really bitching?

I masterworked my War Spear and lost stats...

32-33p on thrust
22-21b on swing

98-97 speed.

what? In-game screenshots of stats please.

Quote from: heirloom thread
weight 1.5
requirement 6
spd rtng 95
weapon length 150
swing damage 18, blunt
thrust damage 28 pierce
Gen1= 96spd 19blunt 30pierce
Gen2= 96spd 20blunt 31pierce
Gen3= 97spd 21blunt 33pierce
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Stormcrow on February 04, 2011, 04:55:52 pm
heirlooms need buffing since it takes so much more work post patch to heirloom. Lvl 31 is like 8 million xp, but pre patch you you only needed lvl 15 and the heirloom were better.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: Delro on February 04, 2011, 05:03:28 pm
heirlooms need buffing since it takes so much more work post patch to heirloom. Lvl 31 is like 8 million xp, but pre patch you you only needed lvl 15 and the heirloom were better.

At higher gens the trip from 30-31 isn't too bad. Hell, I am gen 2 and I just hit 31 and retired to gen 3 after spending maybe 6 hours as level 30. 6 hours isn't too much of an investment in my opinion, thats like 2-3 solid play sessions for me.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
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Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: HeroZero on February 04, 2011, 06:37:26 pm
shocking, I know.
Title: Re: Is this really masterworked?
Post by: zagibu on February 05, 2011, 03:18:49 am
At higher gens the trip from 30-31 isn't too bad. Hell, I am gen 2 and I just hit 31 and retired to gen 3 after spending maybe 6 hours as level 30. 6 hours isn't too much of an investment in my opinion, thats like 2-3 solid play sessions for me.

lvl 30 - 31 takes 4471826 Exp. 6 hours = 360 Minutes, which means you had 4471826 / 360 Exp per Minute, which is 12422. I call bullshit. Even at Gen 5 with an average Multiplier of x3 you'd need three times as long. At Gen 1 it takes 25 - 35 hours.