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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Arn_Magnusson on October 03, 2011, 09:19:48 pm
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I'm fucking 23lvl of 2gen.
I'm playing archer from 3-4 days, I have horn bow, mace and +1 tatar arrows, armor is such cheap that I want even talk about it.
So yesterday I've 18k, now after few hours I have 6k!!! Every round I loose 500-1500 gold, every single fuckin' round. Upkeep is screwed up!
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Archers become viable around 25, they are a late bloomer due to needing so much in the terms of stats (horse archers are even worse).
DO NOT BUFF ARCHERS. Just don't nerf them either.
EDIT: What is your desired build at level 30, and what are your current stats?
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NERF THE FUCK OUT OF THEM,NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF!!!!! RAGEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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EDIT: Just realized that it is a Grey (Famous for spamitar and huscarl crutch combo) complaining about archery...
I loled.
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Archery is for retards. Nerf!
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Archery is definitely playable, but it has a learning curve.
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15/17
My "desired" build is 15/24.
So you mean after 25lvl upkeep won't be such screwed? EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN' ROUND I PAY 500G-1500G is it gonna be less often?
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If you want to be an archer I would suggest a 24/15 for pure archery or 21/15 if you want some melee ability.
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How the hell are you losing that much money with that kind of wpf?!
chadz hates you, no other explanation.
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I'm wearing 30K in gear (including 2 quivers of Bodkins) and I still make money. I think Tears has the answer; god hates you.
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BUFF RANGED!!!
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EDIT: Just realized that it is a Grey (Famous for spamitar and huscarl crutch combo) complaining about archery...
I loled.
I facepalmed - poor one
BTW Does any1 of u blind my old friends read what I wrote? I wrote about upkeep not buffing, nerfing, fucking, raping anythink archers....
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You are experiencing a highly unusual case of the RNG despising your every breathe. There is no way you should be losing that much money.
Play more today and it should be better.
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BTW Does any1 of u blind my old friends read what I wrote? I wrote about upkeep not buffing, nerfing, fucking, raping anythink archers....
And I wrote:
I'm wearing 30K in gear (including 2 quivers of Bodkins) and I still make money.
Come back when you're no longer menstruating.
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Archery is definitely playable, but it has a learning curve.
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I'm not constantly losing money and I use longbow + 2stack of bodkins + my little hammer.
Actually I should lose more money than you o.O
Do you wear heraldic armour with your archer or why is your upkeep that high? :shock:
Archers become viable around 25, they are a late bloomer due to needing so much in the terms of stats (horse archers are even worse).
DO NOT BUFF ARCHERS. Just don't nerf them either.
EDIT: What is your desired build at level 30, and what are your current stats?
OMFG I AGREE WITH YOU :shock:
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You're doing it wrong.
On topic about repair costs: I've been losing money so far w/ my horn bow x2 bodkins mace combo (with a red gambeson, khergit boots, mail gauntlets for armor so that isn't the problem). I'm level 25 right now, and have had a slow drain (~5k loss) so far. I noticed a loss of money during my last archer gen, this seems a bit less extreme but still not gaining cash... I'll see how things go as I get further in.
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Archery is all about up block?
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Archers become viable around 25, they are a late bloomer due to needing so much in the terms of stats (horse archers are even worse).
DO NOT BUFF ARCHERS. Just don't nerf them either.
EDIT: What is your desired build at level 30, and what are your current stats?
Funny how this doesn't address the OP's issue. Are you saving time to make more posts by not reading anyone else's?
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Funny how this doesn't address the OP's issue. Are you saving time to make more posts by not reading anyone else's?
it addressed the "Unplayable" part and was a standard response to the forthcoming "NERF ARCHERY" rage post that appeared just below my post.
I can tell the future.
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Archery is soooo weak now, when they hit me they dont even take 1 hp i mow trough archer lines like a gasoline-powered push mower. They seriously need a buff.
BUFF RANGED!!!
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No wonder that archer is failing... he's right clicking...
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Archery is as balanced as it has ever been, it can do reasonable damage, they're weak to attacks and they can move freely without encurring too much of a problem.
As people have said, archers become viable around level 25 where you're finally able to actually do damage. Also, you're using a Horn bow and you expect be to doing well? Those things are flimsly little toy bows for kids! ;)
Archery is fairly easy but so is pretty much all the other builds (yes, manual blockers, just read to the end of the sentence) because you've got basic skills that you need to get in order to play any build with a reasonable level of competence, archery has the easiest one to start getting right and has the biggest rewards but becoming good at it requires a lot more hard work, taking the shots, shooting into melee in order to save an allies life, those sorts of things carry more risk and need to be refined more in order to be deemed good.
With manual blockers, it takes more work to get good with blocking but it's not a large step to start putting in the odd chamber (especially overheads against pikes, those I love to do! ^^)
Just give it some more time, level 23 means you're still a baby in terms of gameplay and generation two just means you're more likely to have played a short period of time compared to most of the good archers, therefore making your skills look inferior, which, don't get me wrong here, they are but you need to build on it.
Edit: That's what's been programmed into the game so that when the spacebar is pressed, this happens. (In effect I suppose the spacebar has had the effects of right mouse mapped to it as well if you have a ranged weapon)
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Upkeep can be a bitch. I think it's because of the arrow type. They had increased breakability a few patches ago. I assume that's still there? That's the crippling factor for my HA. I switch to bodkins and I lose money, I switch back to barbed arrows and I gain it. Even the horse type doesn't make as big a difference as that change.
But regardless, you must be very unlucky to lose that much gold that fast. My record losing gold streak was just over 20k in 4 hours of solid play. But bearing in mind I was riding a courser and using bodkins x3. I had a x1 for pretty much the entire time. As a foot archer, you really shouldn't have that issue.
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We'll somehow it seems that chance is as much your friend as statistics are to a high school teacher I saw interviewed in the daily show the other day.
Basically he was asked how big the risk was, that the cern would cause a black hole and destroy earth.
He answered 50/50. Either it does or it doesn't.
So, in some evil logic of chadz, it seems your eq has a 50/50 chance of breaking. Either it does... or it doesn't.
Good luck!
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You're doing it wrong.
On topic about repair costs: I've been losing money so far w/ my horn bow x2 bodkins mace combo (with a red gambeson, khergit boots, mail gauntlets for armor so that isn't the problem). I'm level 25 right now, and have had a slow drain (~5k loss) so far. I noticed a loss of money during my last archer gen, this seems a bit less extreme but still not gaining cash... I'll see how things go as I get further in.
its the bodkins dont use them unless ur ok with losing the money...if u want to gain money use tatar arrows makes a huge differance
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Ok I know what your problem is. If you all have not noticed if you are a lower lvl using high end gear you are more likely to break it than as a higher Level. To put it simple and retarded style.
Higher lvl equal less upkeep! atleast that is what I have noticed.
On a side note ROCK 9 powerdraw and a masterwork longbow! IT IS THE BEST!
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It's easy to play with a bow, it's hard to be a great player (with all the adjectives it carries) using a bow.
It's easy to play with a polearm, it's hard to be a great player (with all the adjectives it carries) using a polearm.
It's easy to....
I could carry on to every single possible build but cba.
It's easy to scream "omgggggggggg op so much damage bs etc wadda wadda" when by any chance a good player focus on you by any reason and rapes the shit out of you.
It's a war game, the "paper, rock, scissors" system works here as-well, just learn to deal with it.
Being an archer is playable, maybe not like how it was prior to the missile speed nerf patch, but even so, it's is viable and easy to enjoy.
Just depends on what kind of play style you embrace, depends on your awareness sense (which is extremely important in this class), and specially knowing when to shoot and what to shoot.
I'm using my old skirmisher build at the moment and I've realized it is still quite playable even if I had to spent wpf points in the side weapon. You can see me top scores several times using only 1 quiver (17 arrows) and a 2 handed weapon, picking sometimes arrows from the floor, making every shot count. Another example of this playstyle is Tenne.
Just be patient cause only on levels 25+ you will have enough weapons to be a decent archer (and bet on long range shooting near level 30 since it's most likely when you get the max weapon master desired on your build).
Cheers.
edit: even when using 2 quivers, and repairing both, I end up making money. Give it some time.
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I'm 2 million exp into level 30(2. gen), and I'm still losing money. All three quivers breaks allmost every lost round - with 163 wpf. I have no choice but to play alts, because I'm nigh on broke.
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Archery is as balanced as it has ever been, it can do reasonable damage, they're weak to attacks and they can move freely without encurring too much of a problem.
archery has the easiest one to start getting right and has the biggest rewards but becoming good at it requires a lot more hard work, taking the shots, shooting into melee in order to save an allies life, those sorts of things carry more risk and need to be refined more in order to be deemed good.
With manual blockers, it takes more work to get good with blocking but it's not a large step to start putting in the odd chamber (especially overheads against pikes, those I love to do! ^^)
I agree that archery is in a good spot right now (give or take small tweaking).
However, I can't help but disagree that melee is easier to master than archery or that archery has the greatest rewards. It does, however, take better judgement in some cases as you said, but it doesn't take more "hard work" than melee.
Melee is a lot more mechanically-oriented, but now that literally everyone can block 3 feints in a row, I'm seeing the meta-game (of what there is, lol) of it changing up... Chambers really aren't as effective as they used to, I think. Archery on the other hand is pretty straightforward imo.
(I love archery, but I definitely think melee is harder!)
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I agree that archery is in a good spot right now (give or take small tweaking).
However, I can't help but disagree that melee is easier to master than archery or that archery has the greatest rewards. It does, however, take better judgement in some cases as you said, but it doesn't take more "hard work" than melee.
Melee is a lot more mechanically-oriented, but now that literally everyone can block 3 feints in a row, I'm seeing the meta-game (of what there is, lol) of it changing up... Chambers really aren't as effective as they used to, I think. Archery on the other hand is pretty straightforward imo.
(I love archery, but I definitely think melee is harder!)
To clarify what I mean what I mean (Yes, I bloody mean it!) by "the biggest rewards" it's early on, once you get up to level and you're able to actually kill things, because you don't have to put in as much effort to get a kill it brings a bigger reward easier if you understand what I mean this time round.
And of course, no one will agree that it is just as hard to master archery as it is to master melee but that's because people don't play the class avidly enough. If you've ever gone up against the dedicated archers pretty much from day 1 in their career, such as Jambi, Nebun or Gisbert then you're in for a tough fight as an opposing archer. There aren't many people that I know of who have gone through most of their cRPG career running as an archer and so I guess, it's harder to see what "mastery" actually is.
I hope that makes sense but I would like to add some more to that if I had time, sadly I don't but I will try and edit it up.
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Ahh, yes, you clarified everything for me. And it's true, I haven't seen a true master of archery yet (I'm NA :oops:) and so I do not know the limits of it.
And yeah, I don't have class tomorrow so I'm staying up, doing absolutely nothing. LOL.
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if its unplayable, why are there so fucking many?
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if its unplayable, why are there so fucking many?
Because some new ppl. tend to exaggerate badly?
Your 2 Quivers of Bodkins get repaired?
Oh noes, thats hardly the repair of my gloves.
Now it gets nasty...your bow breaks....wow, oh noes, thats hardly the repaircost of my 2h or 1h sword.
And noooow it gets really nasty....
As an archer you nearly dont pay upkeep for the shirts and hoods you wear....
But every melee / rider idiot might pay additional 2000 or even 3000 g for his upkeep....(in worst case scenarios)
You ever considered playing one gen/half a gen with shit equipment, just to save money?
I made 120k Gold in one freaking week, you can do it too, income is the same for everybody ;-)
Sell a loompoint and be happy...
But please, for the love of god, stop posting nonsense like this into a section where it doesnt even belong to.
And if u are not capable of playing your class....ask for help (if u havent allrdy).
There is enough skilled archers / veterans.
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if its unplayable, why are there so fucking many?
What he said.
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I'm glad you understood what I meant from my crappy typing! xD
I have no idea what NA is like for archery but I know that EU have a few archers who would be classed in the "master" ranks, the aforementioned would hit it. (And maybe Stulle if he ever came back the skiving git.)
With regards to upkeep, here's what I pay:
Longbow: 777
Bodkin arrows (x1): 354
Langes Messer: 526
Leather Jerkin: 47
Straw Hat: 0
Mail Gauntlets: 240
Rus Cavalry Boots: 29
Total: 1973
Not exactly taxing on the old bank account...
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I'm glad you understood what I meant from my crappy typing! xD
I have no idea what NA is like for archery but I know that EU have a few archers who would be classed in the "master" ranks, the aforementioned would hit it. (And maybe Stulle if he ever came back the skiving git.)
With regards to upkeep, here's what I pay:
Longbow: 777
Bodkin arrows (x1): 354
Langes Messer: 526
Leather Jerkin: 47
Straw Hat: 0
Mail Gauntlets: 240
Rus Cavalry Boots: 29
Total: 1973
Not exactly taxing on the old bank account...
And I for myself recognize u on the field from a distance allrdy...
And I know you top the board often, you can defend yourself more then properly in melee (i see you killing more then getting killed xD)...
And thats for 2k gold worst case scenario upkeep....
Yeah....archery is unplayable.
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Right now archery is super easy and super efficient. Even a noob like koldborn end up being first all the time :P
It was perfectly viable before and pretty strong. I really don't get it why they buffed archery so much. Also damage is completely random...
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And I for myself recognize u on the field from a distance allrdy...
And I know you top the board often, you can defend yourself more then properly in melee (i see you killing more then getting killed xD)...
And thats for 2k gold worst case scenario upkeep....
Yeah....archery is unplayable.
Melee is two handed though! D: That's not archery. (My class allows for reasonable melee skills so I can at least attack back, level 32 with 4 power strike & 61 2 handed weapon Prof.)
Koldborn was an archer originally, always stated that he was a better archer than a melee!
The damage isn't random, it just has such a difference between the highest damage and the lowest due to the range calculations blahdy blahdy blah that it's difficult to judge how much damage you're actually going to take from it.
But the easy way to tell is if you see a straw hat, run into the arrows, they won't hurt you at all! :)
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Nah I always come from behind, it's something a picked up a year ago while roleplaying ninja :wink:
And I didn't mean it's truly random... it's basically what you said. Sometimes I take very little damage under same circumstances and sometimes it's 60% of my health... and that's just stupid.
Loomed arbalest and steel bolts usually take about 75-85% of my HP if they hit me in torso. I laugh so hard when I see some archer with loomed horn bow and bodkins taking 55-60% HP from me. That's just silly.
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I'm glad you understood what I meant from my crappy typing! xD
I have no idea what NA is like for archery but I know that EU have a few archers who would be classed in the "master" ranks, the aforementioned would hit it. (And maybe Stulle if he ever came back the skiving git.)
With regards to upkeep, here's what I pay:
Longbow: 777
Bodkin arrows (x1): 354
Langes Messer: 526
Leather Jerkin: 47
Straw Hat: 0
Mail Gauntlets: 240
Rus Cavalry Boots: 29
Total: 1973
Not exactly taxing on the old bank account...
Heh... Thats the same repair i pay for my horse....
Yes an archers FULL repair is the same cost as one repair of my HORSE(and i ride a destrier not even an armored warhorse)
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The expenisve thing on archer is that arrows break almost every round.
That was done by devs, because archers were constantly farming gold and it's ok the way it is now.
You have no chance to do something against the arrow-breaking as you can put your wpf in archery, which effects your bow, but not in arrowing or something^^
Ganner, horse is ofcourse expensive, but it doesn't break almost every round.
I have almost every class on a char and on my archer items break more often than on other chars. And because of that they are (lucky us) not that expensive as horses are^^
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You would be suprised at how often the horses break.
From level 15-29 ive lost 70k (not counting the cost of the horse itself) The only time I recouped any of my money was when i rolled a 5x for about an hour. and even then i only managed to gain a few K of the lost cash.
And as for the reason arrows break so much is because most archers use multiple slots of arrows, each with their own independent break chance.
Honestly archery is probably the cheapest class to play in my opinion, followed by sheilder. 2 handers and cav repairs on the otherhand can get a bit excessive.
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I never said I don't agree with archery having less upkeep than others^^
But our stuff breaks more often :P
Warlord, that calculating doesn't really work^^
You were maybe lucky with your kills.
I'm lvl 32 meaning I should get what...15-20 kills per round? :shock:
I know I'm a skilled archer but that doesn't really work and there are round where you get 5-8 kills and there are rounds when you get 0-2 kills....as with every other class :rolleyes:
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And as for the reason arrows break so much is because most archers use multiple slots of arrows, each with their own independent break chance.
Honestly archery is probably the cheapest class to play in my opinion, followed by sheilder. 2 handers and cav repairs on the otherhand can get a bit excessive.
They changed arrows in a recent patch legitimately changed arrows so they break more often. It's rare that no arrows break at the end of a round - quite often it is one or both, which for bodkins will be ~350-700 gold a round. I know that compared to horses high tier weapons and heavy armor that's small, but considering the break chance is much higher it actually adds up in the long run.
Before the arrow break/upkeep changes I would agree with you archery was mega cheap. Now though it actually feels more expensive than 1h/shield , maybe on par or a little more expensive than 2h (this could also be my perceptions as I tend to enjoy pretty high multipliers with those builds, whereas archery seems to be more support and dependent on good teams).
Continuing my journey with x2 bodkins, horn bow, mace, I'm close to level 27 and gained ~10k last night after an hour of playing (at least half of that riding a x5). So I'm ~5k in the black so far this gen as archer, better than initial thoughts but still pretty marginal.
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I'm getting sick of the fact that majority of players seems to be archers...
I mean whenever is some suggestion to buff archery there is like dozens of them voting yes, whenever is something to buff melee damn crying starts.
Stupid kids and their Legolas fantasies.
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Indeed. Haha
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And as for the reason arrows break so much is because most archers use multiple slots of arrows, each with their own independent break chance.
WRONG
Arrows have an increased break chance compared to all other stuff. This makes using high end arrows like bodkins quite expensive and roughly puts a lightly armored archer about on par with a well armored meleegay* upkeepwise.
*guy
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[17:29] <@cmp> time to do na stats
[17:31] <@cmp> NA
[17:31] <@cmp> OneHanded 27707 18.40%
[17:31] <@cmp> TwoHanded 47132 31.29%
[17:31] <@cmp> Polearm 41007 27.23%
[17:31] <@cmp> Archery 10142 06.73%
[17:31] <@cmp> Crossbow 4485 02.98%
[17:31] <@cmp> Throwing 3716 02.47%
[17:31] <@cmp> Headshot 9827 06.52%
[17:31] <@cmp> Naked 86 00.06%
[17:31] <@cmp> Horsebump 3344 02.22%
[17:31] <@cmp> Couch 3164 02.10%
[17:31] <@cmp> this week
[17:35] <@cmp> EU
[17:35] <@cmp> OneHanded 36530 20.64%
[17:35] <@cmp> TwoHanded 47598 26.89%
[17:35] <@cmp> Polearm 50203 28.36%
[17:35] <@cmp> Archery 13331 07.53%
[17:35] <@cmp> Crossbow 6703 03.79%
[17:35] <@cmp> Throwing 2548 01.44%
[17:35] <@cmp> Headshot 12102 06.84%
[17:35] <@cmp> Naked 61 00.03%
[17:35] <@cmp> Horsebump 3549 02.00%
[17:35] <@cmp> Couch 4395 02.48%
[17:35] <@cmp> EU more skilled kthx
Amount of kills done by certain class. Majority are archers? o.O
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Nerfing archers cause they can kill people is like nerfing feet because they can walk
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Nerfing archers cause they can kill people is like nerfing feet because they can walk
fuck feet they are easy mode, buff wheelchairs
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Amount of kills done by certain class. Majority are archers? o.O
Of course, but most of them suck badly. I'm better archer than 98% archers out there.
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fuck feet they are easy mode, buff wheelchairs
Wheelchair crutcher.
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Kills only show one side of the coin.
Every archer/crossbow is a threat.
However, not every archer/crossbow will score kills, or maintain a positive k/d ratio.
Player statistics sorted out by equipment, now that would be way more useful.
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Kills only show one side of the coin.
Every archer/crossbow is a threat.
However, not every archer/crossbow will score kills, or maintain a positive k/d ratio.
Player statistics sorted out by equipment, now that would be way more useful.
Either that or add an assist column. All support the assist coloumn!
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If you dont want to pay so much upkeep, DO NOT use a weapon u have low or no WPF on that.
Less WPF = more often upkeep
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If you dont want to pay so much upkeep, DO NOT use a weapon u have low or no WPF on that.
Less WPF = more often upkeep
Except arrows have an increased upkeep cost/break chance regardless of the wpf.
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[17:29] <@cmp> time to do na stats
[17:31] <@cmp> NA
[17:31] <@cmp> OneHanded 27707 18.40%
[17:31] <@cmp> TwoHanded 47132 31.29%
[17:31] <@cmp> Polearm 41007 27.23%
[17:31] <@cmp> Archery 10142 06.73%
[17:31] <@cmp> Crossbow 4485 02.98%
[17:31] <@cmp> Throwing 3716 02.47%
[17:31] <@cmp> Headshot 9827 06.52%
[17:31] <@cmp> Naked 86 00.06%
[17:31] <@cmp> Horsebump 3344 02.22%
[17:31] <@cmp> Couch 3164 02.10%
[17:31] <@cmp> this week
[17:35] <@cmp> EU
[17:35] <@cmp> OneHanded 36530 20.64%
[17:35] <@cmp> TwoHanded 47598 26.89%
[17:35] <@cmp> Polearm 50203 28.36%
[17:35] <@cmp> Archery 13331 07.53%
[17:35] <@cmp> Crossbow 6703 03.79%
[17:35] <@cmp> Throwing 2548 01.44%
[17:35] <@cmp> Headshot 12102 06.84%
[17:35] <@cmp> Naked 61 00.03%
[17:35] <@cmp> Horsebump 3549 02.00%
[17:35] <@cmp> Couch 4395 02.48%
[17:35] <@cmp> EU more skilled kthx
Amount of kills done by certain class. Majority are archers? o.O
I love when this gets posted... Makes my day!
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NA has more naked kills so we're obviously better then the Europeans.
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I just wanted to show that the usual blabla about archers are the guys with most kills out there etc etc is not ture :rolleyes:
Because most people are just talking about what they think is going on is the truth...
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I have been schooled by a dev, i shall take my scolding and commit seppuku
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NA has more naked kills so we're obviously better then the Europeans.
Nah EU just has less lunatics running around from the castle asylums.
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NA has more horse bump kills, clearly our horsy's have been superiorily bred. I don't think I've used good words. BETTERLY
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I might be mistaken but the more bump kills could be related to the more nakeds thingy. Imo blanked ban NA for naked leeching.
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I was a killing machine yesterday :rolleyes:
Archery rule.
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NERF ARCHERS TO THE GROUND THEY FUCKIN OP CUNTS FUCK U FUCK THIS ARCHERY SHIT, once u have 3 or more working together they are an unstoppable force fuck you all ranged , i want archery back to force to volley shoot, lesss damage higher load time, this isnt an fps
fuck you
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I feel ya bro but devs like statistics more then they love us, regular players of their precious mod :(
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I might be mistaken but the more bump kills could be related to the more nakeds thingy. Imo blanked ban NA for naked leeching.
+1
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majority of kills might not be by archers but i bet if you did damage done those stats would be waaaay different :D
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Only phools believe in that. Wanna be a phool, koldborn?
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I am rock. Scissors are fine. Nerf paper.
Exactly.
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majority of kills might not be by archers but i bet if you did damage done those stats would be waaaay different :D
I bet not :P
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Archery is most deadly class on realworld but not in CRPG...
Edit : ...and archery upkeep is too high. Archery is removed from CRPG. I lose 400k only one day playing horse archery. Green Overmailed Tunic, Horn bow, bodkin arrow, courser, dont use head armor.
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Edit : ...and archery upkeep is too high. Archery is removed from CRPG.
Nah archery upkeep is fine
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Nah archery upkeep is fine
Fine or not, I was making the double of the profit while playing as a melee class with the double of gear Cost, and I play mostly with only 1 quiver. :rolleyes:
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DO NOT BUFF ARCHERS. Just don't nerf them either.
Repairs are too high. x5 not enough for upkeep.
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Fine or not, I was making the double of the profit while playing as a melee class with the double of gear Cost, and I play mostly with only 1 quiver. :rolleyes:
HHmm...same for me as well^^
But I don't want them to change archery upkeep, because if they nerf our upkeep they will probably nerf our damage/accuracy/speed or whatever as well.
And I prefer paying a bit more instead of losing my ability to kill :mrgreen:
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Nerf our upkeep, what do I care? I got all this money I dont need, make arrows more expensive or something. So long as it doesn't affect our gameplay. Archery is very hard as it is.
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Upkeep is not fine, its not fair.
On the other hand I was topping the score as an archer yesterday (not by much, only 8/2).
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You can always go full xbowman, with loomed arbalest and loomed steel bolts, you can literally one shoot almost everything, with some random repair of 1300+ since you stay alive all the time cause you can use decent gear, and have decent skills allocated. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Archery is most deadly class on realworld but not in CRPG...
actually archery kills have always been surprisingly low when compared to the number of archers..