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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Leshma on September 28, 2011, 10:27:00 pm
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Seriously, what's up with that?
Everywhere I see people blocking every regular attack, actually you need super feints and some serious footwork to hit them. Ten days ago many of them couldn't block anything now they block everything, have decent attack patterns...
Did whole battle server went to duel server and practices for day and night?
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I guess all of those Lrn2Play statements finally collapsed on people.
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Got a similar feeling, though more lagwise. Sometimes attacks seem to take for ever and then there're some with highspeed animation. Even when swinging freely alone in a field.
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I stopped playing.
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There is definitely an increase in skill, but it wasn't something that happen suddenly, the change was gradual. You just didn't notice it until now.
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ya some of them are almost perfect, its crazy. maybe the "autoblocker unban" thread made people check out the little tool ^^
seriously tho it was gradual, and there are still times when u dont find more than a handful skilled players.
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Bring forth the bannhammer, I smell autoblock!
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yeah i think so too, i watched a dude today, a serious nobody from a suspicions clan, blocking one of the best twohanders from eu for about a minute. also i am sure i saw the down block in between a few times.
these pple have to read the forums, how the hell cant they know they will be fucked?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNnqjbojqjE
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I saw a increase of skill on the NA servers too. I think that somepeople downloaded autoblock :P
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I feel the same. Suspicious.
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I don't know.. Sometimes I can hack through at least 3-4 foes without them blocking before I die by arrow, lance in the arse, team-kill or gank, then sometimes I engage one person and end up having a semi-epic duel with them until either I get back-stabbed when close to death or I just about kill the person, almost dying myself.
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I feel the same. Suspicious.
You know, it's not that hard to block your attacks. It's all about down block :D
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yeah i think so too, i watched a dude today, a serious nobody from a suspicions clan, blocking one of the best twohanders from eu for about a minute. also i am sure i saw the down block in between a few times.
these pple have to read the forums, how the hell cant they know they will be fucked?
Names of the suspicious person and "one of the best twohanders from eu"?
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warpigs_malaostia or whats his name is the 2hander. and no i wont accuse someone here. devs will find out sooner or later if the dude should be cheating.
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You know, it's not that hard to block your attacks. It's all about down block :D
Yet i kill at least 15 a round. :wink:
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Yet i kill at least 15 a round. :wink:
you might as well sit on a horse whilst stabbing people. :rolleyes:
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Never heard of warpigs malaosaotsa
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Malahostia, what's with him?
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Malahostia, what's with him?
read the posts? -.- he is a good 2hander.
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I've seen him before.... He just doesn't talk much in chat.
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People are starting to not fail at holded attacks D:
And I'm starting to kill people more with athletics and outranging, which imo is gayer, but still the way to go these days apparently.
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People get better over time, thats it. I could not block shit when i started, now i am having some cool duels with some guys i consider "good".
For me its all about how stoned i am at the moment, if i got the perfect state of mind, i do quite well, if am not enough or way over, i
suck :mrgreen:
the best is dueling a guy for like half minute just to get TKed by "helping" teammate.
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what? Malahostia isnt THAT good
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people should also consider that often unknown/random clanless players are just the STF alts of infamous good players. (asschaser, hyuna, and so on...)
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Some people have a warped understanding of the definition of skill.
When I say one of the best I usually mean the top 10 not some mere above-average 2hander.
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so... how about we stop all this omg autoblock talk and you guys just write down those names for yourself and check next time we do an autoblock wave?
it's so fucking lame to have this turn into a counter strike like community EVERYONE IS HACKING thing...
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Malahostia (not related to me) was quite active on the siege serveres back then, speaks mostly spanish.
And the blocking is only a matter of training.
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To be true me and my friends started playing crpg like a week ago, and we can block some already. 2 hours in the duel server can do wonders.
This game isn't that hard 1 on 1. It's when theres alot of shit happening (aka positioning in a teamfight, not getting caught, etc) that the good players are found imo.
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Wait till you meet someone who can feint properly.
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When I say one of the best I usually mean the top 10 not some mere above-average 2hander.
There is a list?
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Not a conclusive one.
And I think lists like that are better kept under silent agreement, anyway.
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There is a list?
sure their is a list
phyrex : 33 cm
Goretooth : 27 cm
Bjord : 25 cm
Xant : 22 cm
and so on :mrgreen:
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sure their is a list
phyrex : 33 cm
Goretooth : 27 cm
Bjord : 25 cm
Xant : 22 cm
and so on :mrgreen:
I lolled...
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Goretooth a two hander? I though he uses only bec. Besides, I am pretty sure he would like to be described in inches.
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e-peen size?
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sure their is a list
phyrex : 33 cm
Goretooth : 27 cm
Bjord : 25 cm
Xant : 22 cm
and so on :mrgreen:
Sadly mine is only 20cm..
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so... how about we stop all this omg autoblock talk and you guys just write down those names for yourself and check next time we do an autoblock wave?
it's so fucking lame to have this turn into a counter strike like community EVERYONE IS HACKING thing...
I said nothing about autoblocking but I do find it strange that many people skilled up in last few weeks. It's really hard to kill someone with my average melee skills, I'm still usually in top 5 at the end of the map but that's thankfully to my loomed armor and ninja skills.
What I miss the most is the one vs 3/4 situations where I could take at least two guys. Right now I try feint strike and get blocked easily. It's actually a good thing, it's just that I miss total noobs in this game :(
Also why should we give you names, don't you have that little tool of yours which detects usage of hacking software. If someone hacks he'll eventually get banned. Calling out some people just to prove them being completely innocent would just make a fool of a person who did that :wink:
But those people are definately not hacking cause they can be killed, it's just that:
- hold attacks don't work anymore
- it's hard to get behind someone, people have much better awareness and footwork than before
- any feints beside the fastest and hardest to pull off don't work anymore
So there are two ways left, it's either to be like Chase with his perfect timing when to strike (I usually can't do that, partially due to some strange lag and my slowish reflexes) or approaching everyone on the battlefield like you're on the duel server with some crazy ass feints, with some strategy in mind which is very tiresome or:
- use a crushtrough weapon
- use a ranged weapon
- be a cav
It's much easier for those guys to play these days cause of higher melee skills of general server population.
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It's because basic defensive melee skills are waaaaay easier to get than average offensive melee skills. And the same applies to average defense (what we have now) vs advanced offense.
As people play, anti-melee defensive skills prove to be the fastest to learn, and thus diminishing the overall effectiveness of melee.
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I said nothing about autoblocking but I do find it strange that many people skilled up in last few weeks. It's really hard to kill someone with my average melee skills, I'm still usually in top 5 at the end of the map but that's thankfully to my loomed armor and ninja skills.
What I miss the most is the one vs 3/4 situations where I could take at least two guys. Right now I try feint strike and get blocked easily. It's actually a good thing, it's just that I miss total noobs in this game :(
Also why should we give you names, don't you have that little tool of yours which detects usage of hacking software. If someone hacks he'll eventually get banned. Calling out some people just to prove them being completely innocent would just make a fool of a person who did that :wink:
But those people are definately not hacking cause they can be killed, it's just that:
- hold attacks don't work anymore
- it's hard to get behind someone, people have much better awareness and footwork than before
- any feints beside the fastest and hardest to pull off don't work anymore
So there are two ways left, it's either to be like Chase with his perfect timing when to strike (I usually can't do that, partially due to some strange lag and my slowish reflexes) or approaching everyone on the battlefield like you're on the duel server with some crazy ass feints, with some strategy in mind which is very tiresome or:
- use a crushtrough weapon
- use a ranged weapon
- be a cav
It's much easier for those guys to play these days cause of higher melee skills of general server population.
as much as i enjoy bumping the shit out of anyone who cross my way, i still do enjoy the melee combat, true that i am usually on the losing side when it comes to melee situations, but at least i am improving...occasional hour or two on duel server and i am back on track, being able to slash down at least the nublestest nublets (just like me :mrgreen:)
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It's because basic defensive melee skills are waaaaay easier to get than average offensive melee skills. And the same applies to average defense (what we have now) vs advanced offense.
As people play, anti-melee defensive skills prove to be the fastest to learn, and thus diminishing the overall effectiveness of melee.
This.
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While there's definitely been a general increase of skill, I think what Leshma describes is way exaggerated. Sure, you get more people who will block the most basic attacks very well, but there's still only a very small percentage of players who can block the more 'advanced' attacks, and compared to a year ago, there are only a few more people who can block long enough to be annoying.
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There is a difference between being able to block correctly within a large amount of time and being attacked over and over, the real test is when it becomes a back and forth rally of non stop attack and defense, there are many people who can block attacks, but a fair amount of those break and crumble when they are pressured into blocking over and over in a very short amount of time.
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i noticed an increase in skill after my forced break some time ago
"back in the day" a simple overhead used to work 90% of the time
now you have to circle someone and get behind them feinting from a slash to an overhead to have 50% chance of success
the average skill level has definately gone up and the best way to get kills is still to backstab
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Seriously, what's up with that?
Everywhere I see people blocking every regular attack, actually you need super feints and some serious footwork to hit them. Ten days ago many of them couldn't block anything now they block everything, have decent attack patterns...
Did whole battle server went to duel server and practices for day and night?
And what happened to you, I was shocked when I saw you playing on heavy armor for the first time, I always remember you of playing on rags and wooden sword with that bicurious weird name, did you decide to stop gold farming? :mrgreen:
there are some players that have a roleplay clothing: ex: you with rags and wooden sword.. randomdude that I remember always use a Flamberge and Mail Hauberk with easy. But in your case that sentence "All thine hard work payeth off" doesnt help you at all :lol:
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It could also be that with the recent Warband sale there were more newbies around, and then a bunch of them probably fell by the wayside, leaving the veteran players and STF alts behind.
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And what happened to you, I was shocked when I saw you playing on heavy armor for the first time, I always remember you of playing on rags and wooden sword with that bicurious weird name, did you decide to stop gold farming? :mrgreen:
there are some players that have a roleplay clothing: ex: you with rags and wooden sword.. randomdude that I remember always use a Flamberge and Mail Hauberk with easy. But in your case that sentence "All thine hard work payeth off" doesnt help you at all :lol:
I'm not made for heavy armor :(
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What I miss the most is the one vs 3/4 situations where I could take at least two guys. Right now I try feint strike and get blocked easily. It's actually a good thing, it's just that I miss total noobs in this game :(
about time we have less one-man-army situations... now if you face 3 or 4 melee infantry, you'd better think about what to do.. no more ramboing all the day.
and btw some time ago, the shogunate server was the one where the best players gathered.
- use a crushtrough weapon
- use a ranged weapon
- be a cav
It's much easier for those guys to play these days cause of higher melee skills of general server population.
not correct. as melee skill grows, awareness skill grows too, dodging ranged and looking for cover or less 0 shield skill builds.
cav is near grounded with the recent lance angle nerf and horses that goes from stop to max speed like a truck with a double trailer full of scrap metal.
you can't stab someone with your horse unless he's already engaged or a very noob one.
about crushthru, a decent 1h/shield will still outspam you with his 100ish speed weapon
about ranged, removing 2IF and adding 2shield skill points work wonders.
in the end, people keeps playing, skill grows. if you fight against better players than you, your skill improve. if you fight noobs all day, your skill will decay. skill wise, there is nothing worse than going butchering peasants or newcomers. once you go back fighting good players, you'll get rolled.
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warpigs_malaostia or whats his name is the 2hander. and no i wont accuse someone here. devs will find out sooner or later if the dude should be cheating.
It's not that hard to outcome malahostia and I'm not trying to bash him, but it's a long shot till he becomes one of the best 2 handers on EU, since he's a STR 2 hander with simple release / feints that give major damage, who has a real hard time to block simple hold attacks.
Not focusing in that simple example, after all this time of gameplay, people tend to improve skills (or go pure archers/arbalests/shielders/cav LOL I MAED A PHUN), and it's normal to encounter improved challenges.
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It's not that hard to outcome
I heard it is quite easy to outcome your sistah? Whaddya say to that?
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I think people are also mistaking good KDR for player skill.
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It's not that hard to outcome malahostia and I'm not trying to bash him, but it's a long shot till he becomes one of the best 2 handers on EU, since he's a STR 2 hander with simple release / feints that give major damage, who has a real hard time to block simple hold attacks.
well he's not one of the best 2hers but about simple attacks and holds, you should know that you can't really feint with unbalanced weapons. and he use the war cleaver most of the time... that's why there are very few people that can cut thru a good blocker with unbalanced weapons like darkfox did when he was rolling with the 2h great bardiche.
all this to say that is rather easy to be effective 1vs1 with a DGS/GGS/etc than with a great bardiche/great axe/war cleaver... those weapons hit hard but every mistake is either a teamkill or a free enemy counterattack.
I think a lot of time people are also mistaking good KD for player skill.
also. but since we're arguing about merely fighting skill without considering the teamwork value, in this context, k/d bring (sadly) some sort of proof.
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Discussions about skill are always so pretentious, anyway. 8-)
I know because to my regret I participate in way too many of them, I blame my e-peen.
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I don't think people are a lot better all of a sudden. It's a very gradual change. I also disagree with the level of skill on eu 1 some people state here. It's still pretty easy to get kills, its not that you need 10+ seconds for everyone.
Although I remember using the overhead attack a lot, cause people had trouble blocking it. Now I don't consider it a better attack anymore, people seem to block it as easily as the others. Still, hiltslashing is a technique almost all have trouble with. Chase gets a lot of his kills by constant hiltslashes.
All in all I still think its time for a weaponmaster buff. The game has been gradually speednerfed and it's time we seperate the average from the good. We need a little flatter wpf curve. So str builds have less, agi builds have significantly higher wpf than they have now. This would also fix the str/agi imbalance.
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well he's not one of the best 2hers but about simple attacks and holds, you should know that you can't really feint with unbalanced weapons. and he use the war cleaver most of the time... that's why there are very few people that can cut thru a good blocker with unbalanced weapons like darkfox did when he was rolling with the 2h great bardiche.
all this to say that is rather easy to be effective 1vs1 with a DGS/GGS/etc than with a great bardiche/great axe/war cleaver... those weapons hit hard but every mistake is either a teamkill or a free enemy counterattack.
also. but since we're arguing about merely fighting skill without considering the teamwork value, in this context, k/d bring (sadly) some sort of proof.
You're confusing him with other warpigs, he is almost all the time using a mw danish with swing attacks.
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skill is relative :D im not a good 2h :P sometimes im in the top 5 on eu1 sometimes i top eu1 sometimes im in the middle :P it all depends on map luck team mates and enemies :D you might get lucky and have a stacked team who plows through and you end up with 20-3 or you might end up on a crap team and everyone can block :D still its all fun!
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i always top scorebord, but i have no skill :P
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skill is relative
talking about general skill, involves an absolute value.
im not a good 2h :P
we agree on that
sometimes im in the top 5 on eu1 sometimes i top eu1 sometimes im in the middle :P it all depends on map luck team mates and enemies :D you might get lucky and have a stacked team who plows through and you end up with 20-3 or you might end up on a crap team and everyone can block :D still its all fun!
someone should know if he's playing shite or not by actually thinking about it... scoreboard means nothing... as you could play at 100% but if the autobalance screws it up, or you have an all inf team while the other team is mixed with ranged and cav in a plain map, the score will sucks. so k/d=skill is pretty retarded.
i always top scorebord, but i have no skill :P
well you play in NA don't you?
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ok *adds corrado to the list of people never to talk to* instead of trying to add anything to the convo you try to act like an ass! grats! and i didnt actually say KDR = skill so erm fuck yourself? :P sometimes i kill loads of people sometimes i dont. but ill look for you anyway :P
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ok *adds corrado to the list of people never to talk to* instead of trying to add anything to the convo you try to act like an ass! grats! and i didnt actually say KDR = skill so erm fuck yourself? :P sometimes i kill loads of people sometimes i dont. but ill look for you anyway :P
i added my thoughts earlier while you wrote 3 lines of nonsense just to put in "i top scoreboards". oh am i arguing with a templar? ffs... but btw the way... do you care that much about my opinion on your skill level? wow you must be one that play and constantly look the scoreboard, focusing on topping it in the hope someonelse will notice... if this is the case, you're sick.
sometimes i kill loads of people sometimes i dont
besides the fact that speaking of truth you're the very end of the food chain... someone cares about?
but ill look for you anyway
i don't... i'll let you come to me... you're not worth the walk.... so easy to troll those tempLOLars...
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Corrado, why the bad temper?
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Corrado, why the bad temper?
am i supposed to love all the human being? can't stand kids... and i have one... poor me :cry:
i can't skip an easy trolol like that cmon... should i be serious with a templar?
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I think now with my absence, someone has to fill the role of elitistic douche.
Appears Kendo volunteered.
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i dont mind elitest assholes :D if they are elite :P he is by no means one of the top players ^^
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I think now with my absence, someone has to fill the role of elitistic douche.
Appears Kendo volunteered.
nah he sometimes top scoreboards and sometimes don't...
i sometimes discuss and put effort with nice people, sometimes i troll the "scoreboard" mentals...
and that's just trolling someone i have zero respect for.
i dont mind elitest assholes :D if they are elite :P he is by no means one of the top players ^^
oh mister scoreboard topper... following your mentality, i can post some scoreboard screens to prove that! :lol:
no i'm not even near the top players (and i will not ever be). but i don't vomit BS in threads about how much i top scoreboards or not...
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One can still have elitistic opinions to be an elitist. He certainly qualifies for that.
Anyway let's keep it respectable, we're all friends(I hope).
And I have respect for both of you, so cut it out before I lose it. :lol:
Or continue by all means and turn it into a flame war, that's sort of funny too.
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But Corrado, you don't usually play on EU1 :?
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nah but it still strange... i left game for some like 4 weeks and bam evry one bloks my hits... now i have to block all that spamers(coz they faster) and try to atack a lite bit before him.... i fell autoblock around but who know
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well you play in NA don't you?
no, do u?
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One can still have elitistic opinions to be an elitist. He certainly qualifies for that.
Anyway let's keep it respectable, we're all friends(I hope).
And I have respect for both of you, so cut it out before I lose it. :lol:
Or continue by all means and turn it into a flame war, that's sort of funny too.
seriously... average skill keep growing... it's natural. just take a look at counterstrike after 10 years. if some guy that never took an FPS enter in a CS server, will just keep saying CHEATERS all the time. warband and crpg are gone in a similar way. people keep playing it (cos it's one of the best game ever) and skill keep growing.
sooner or later, all the cRPG players will have a similar skill level (but really few guys clearly on top the crowd). who is in his day will play 110%, who is not in his day will play at 80%. there are players that play efficently most of the time, others don't.
and i still say, i miss the shogunate nights where the best of the best was playing there. was a really good training and hardcore fun for averageish players like me.
But Corrado, you don't usually play on EU1 :?
just in the morning when the server count 30-40 players and i can have fun without worrying about teamplay too much. and yes i often play siege like a sorta of deathmatch... sorry but i have really so few time to spare for games that i just want to hop in a siege and spam stuff around without smoking a cig everytime i die. (like in battles)
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CS 1.6 is full of cheaters...
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CS 1.6 is full of cheaters...
well there are some good old servers without cheaters or with regular admins... i just reloaded it, got butthurt in a pro.swe server and GTXted...
anyway cRPG will stand this cheaters wave. the cheater syndrome will not spread.
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Considering how easy it is to spot an autoblocker, I doubt there will be random accusations unless people get butthurt.
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Considering how easy it is to spot an autoblocker, I doubt there will be random accusations unless people get butthurt.
if you had some time on counterstrike, you should remember the old fashion about pro players playing with fake names until casual players start accusing to cheat. then the pro players switched to the real name just to hear "ohhh it's you!". ego-fillers.
now is pretty much the same with STF alts.
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Who gives a shit, no one is cheating until proven otherwise, sadly, but it's true. Just report anyone who you REALLY think is cheating, or not, because they will be caught out sooner or later.
And all I have to say about cheaters is, it's pretty fucking sad that you have to cheat at a GAME designed for FUN just to feel good about playing it, cheaters, I'll manual blocker your mothers advances and still butt sex her without using cheats.
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Water?
Water, flow of causality. A littany of actuality.
Once held in esteem, an infinite dream. A mere song sung, surreality.
It.
Another world, similarity. Yet, never lit.
Illusion. Aflow, aglow. Amending. No wounds, not of corruption.
Noncorporeal, single star in the nebula of mirrors. Reflecting. Espilon.
Metamorphis. A borealis. Never.
Now solid. Cryogenic factor of elements. No. How?
Return.
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Next wave of autoblocker bans should be fun, if all these suspicions are true.
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Well, despite the fact that cRPG still takes skill, It's quite a bit easier to block and crutch on heavy armor when you compare it to native. (not trying to call anyone out because I myself am a lordly armor crutcher) Also people can go full str builds which can be pretty fuckin easy. But because of the speed, attacks are much easier to block in cRPG than native.
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Yeah, I dislike when people suggest increasing the combat speed, all it does it make ping more important and balbaroth even more OP.
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What is this hiltslash u keep talking about?
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so... how about we stop all this omg autoblock talk and you guys just write down those names for yourself and check next time we do an autoblock wave?
it's so fucking lame to have this turn into a counter strike like community EVERYONE IS HACKING thing...
well meow the funny thing is some of the players that i thought were awesome at one time were using auto blco soo its kinda a double edged sword
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give it a couple months and your best guys might be able to fight a NA pubbie!
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I remember when I took a break from CRPG right around when strat came back up(and died again.), few people actually blocked. I come back and just about every newbie seems to be able to block at least one or two shots now, except for the kids who end up going on Siege. Maybe they spend enough time in Native MP to learn how to block, or maybe I just missed it before, I'unno.
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give it a couple months and your best guys might be able to fight a NA pubbie!
played on NA servers this weekend (since i was banned on EU ) wasnt really hard to top the charts, the skill level i uncomparable i must say, but ill give you this, youre way more fun to play with and i had a really good time, less bundle of sticksry and roleplaying dicks more pure fun and beating eachother sensless.
if i had better ping id play NA more often.
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played on NA servers this weekend (since i was banned on EU ) wasnt really hard to top the charts, the skill level i uncomparable i must say, but ill give you this, youre way more fun to play with and i had a really good time, less bundle of sticksry and roleplaying dicks more pure fun and beating eachother sensless.
if i had better ping id play NA more often.
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Discover the secret message and claim your prize.
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how am i butthurt?
i said i liek the Na server :?
whats my prize? i hope its something kinky (judging by ur sig i guess it must be :mrgreen:)
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how am i butthurt?
i said i liek the Na server :?
whats my prize? i hope its something kinky (judging by ur sig i guess it must be :mrgreen:)
I meant about EU, :lol:.
And yes, it's an inclusive weekend stay at the Brigayd 5 Star Luxury Villa, where we will oil your butt and massage it.
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Bjord is having menopause. Or how the hell is that shit spelled.
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I meant about EU, :lol:.
And yes, it's an inclusive weekend stay at the Brigayd 5 Star Luxury Villa, where we will oil your butt and massage it.
sounds lovely, can ToD massage my butt?
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sounds lovely, can ToD massage my butt?
ToD does female butt massaging, I do men. Only the finest brigaydiers to massage your fat arse.
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ToD does female butt massaging, I do men. Only the finest brigaydiers to massage your fat arse.
Even better, sign me up!
next weekend works for me, ill bring my boy toy Prinz_Karl that mmkay?
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After awhile it's easy even for a relative newcomer to block a great deal of strikes with success when they're playing on medium speed. I understand the reasoning behind playing medium speed, what with the mixed pings, but it would be nice to have some of the non-official NA/EU servers set to fastest. I guess if I really wanted one I'd go through the steps to host/rent it, though it may make more sense to have one that exists now change it up rather than divide populations further.
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Setting it to fastest isnt the way to go. With every patch weapons get reduced in speed. Where 220 wpf was a problem preupkeep patch, that was also because the average weapon had 3 more speedrating. I say flatten the wpf curve. Let people with 24 agi have around 200 wpf, but the wpf of a 9 agi build should stay nearly the same. This would balance the str/agi imbalance and generally speed up the game.
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I think ranged needs to be buffed to deal with this skill increase
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Well, the fight speed was increased for a month without anyone realizing it.
Previously to be a spammer it required 160 wpf and now just 130.
See (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,12006.0.html)
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Well, the fight speed was increased for a month without anyone realizing it.
Previously to be a spammer it required 160 wpf and now just 130.
See (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,12006.0.html)
EU_7 was the only server planned to be set on fastest but never happened.. so... :rolleyes:
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So why this feeling of running faster than before, able to spin and spamcopter with a GLB or Long Maul with only 15 agi?
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So why this feeling of running faster than before, able to spin and spamcopter with a GLB or Long Maul with only 15 agi?
if nobody else feel it, means you should just stay away from coke :rolleyes:
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warpigs_malaostia or whats his name is the 2hander. and no i wont accuse someone here. devs will find out sooner or later if the dude should be cheating.
lol i just noticed this post. I can block jesuschrist, whats the problem? /trollface
I just play for fun and i like to block decently (i love the sound :mrgreen:), i dont need a big epeen so thanks to these guys saying im just an ok 2hander, i dont need to feed any egos (actually im trying to kill my ego throught meditation in real life :P).
So im not hacking, sometimes im more concentrated and lucky.
Cheers and sorry for my poor english.
OMMMM
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No bro, he said the other guy was autoblockan', not you.
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This wasn't supposed to be a thread about autoblocking...
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What is this hiltslash u keep talking about?
I wanna know too! :?:
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What is this hiltslash u keep talking about?
Left-right combo
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I wanna know too! :?:
Basically spamming a 2h while abusing the "never-glance"TM effect so the enemy can't attack first even though he blocked your first attack.
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Basically spamming a 2h while abusing the "never-glance"TM effect so the enemy can't attack first even though he blocked your first attack.
Hilt slash can also be done with polearms and the 2h never glance thing, you obviously havn't been palying 2h recently as we glance off everything that is next to us or behind us or at a forward diagonal to us.
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Hilt slash can also be done with polearms and the 2h never glance thing, you obviously havn't been palying 2h recently as we glance off everything that is next to us or behind us or at a forward diagonal to us.
Sigh. I wasn't talking about hitting objects around you. I was talking about the "sweet spot" for damage (where in the animation you hit) is so large for doing full/almost full damage. THAT is the "never-glance"TM of 2handers.
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You forgot above us.
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Hmm, there was a randomer poping up in EU5 with the name of Anonym acting like he's the best player in world and I challanged him on EU3, I have no idea how the autoblockers work etc but he was quite good at blocking and I never saw him before, the attacking however was terrible.
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It's Fallen_Cyberhero and he's probably on the peak of his menstruation cyclus.
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Basically spamming a 2h while abusing the "never-glance"TM effect so the enemy can't attack first even though he blocked your first attack.
Go talk with your friend Greifenherz and his glaive, see if he can do it.
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with a shield id rather fight a 2h anyday over a polearm :P polearm hits me once im pretty much free game :P
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Go talk with your friend Greifenherz and his glaive, see if he can do it.
Never said they couldn't. I just said it is BS how 2handers and some high damage polearms can attack so early in their animation and still not bounce. Not as bad with polearms (as you mentioned. Glaive does this a sometimes) but you can do it with every single 2h. It wouldn't be that annying if it wasn't for the fact that 2handers can run around 1handers because of the slow movement speed from shield and the "can't turn while sideswinging your weapon".
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All polearms can do it, just as much as twohanders. I can't run around shielders, cause they turn with me and keep their shield inbetween me and them. Since when can't you turn while sideswinging your weapon? Maybe you should put youre mouse sensitivity up a notch.
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It's Fallen_Cyberhero and he's probably on the peak of his menstruation cyclus.
Oh then why would he say he can beat everyone if he lost from me in the duel tournament? :lol:
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All polearms can do it, just as much as twohanders. I can't run around shielders, cause they turn with me and keep their shield inbetween me and them. Since when can't you turn while sideswinging your weapon? Maybe you should put youre mouse sensitivity up a notch.
I got mouse sensitivity very high. And haven't you noticed? When you do a sideswing and try to turn around your character will not move as fast as your camera (lol at thinking it was mouse sensitivity ^^). Doesn't happen with overhead and stabs. I can't recall this happening on my 2h and polearm alts, though.
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I got mouse sensitivity very high. And haven't you noticed? When you do a sideswing and try to turn around your character will not move as fast as your camera (lol at thinking it was mouse sensitivity ^^). Doesn't happen with overhead and stabs. I can't recall this happening on my 2h and polearm alts, though.
happens also on overhead and stabs but turns faster than side swings. still not as fast as the camera.
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happens also on overhead and stabs but turns faster than side swings. still not as fast as the camera.
Yeah. I did some testings and it is as you say, a bit faster turn speed than swings. Which is kinda silly considering they are the attacks that shouldn't be able to turn so fast (ok, maybe the stab). Also confirmed that it is the same for polearms/2handers, but their reach and ability to run in combat (damn shield so heavy!) doesn't really make it such a big issue.
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Why are ppl QQ'ing about hiltslashing anyway? O.o Nice to have something to break the pattern. Besides, blocking 2 times isn't that difficult...
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Why are ppl QQ'ing about hiltslashing anyway? O.o Nice to have something to break the pattern. Besides, blocking 2 times isn't that difficult...
I do not fear the hiltslash, i fear triple feint swords.
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I do not fear the hiltslash, i fear triple feint swords.
triple feint swords? what? :D
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triple feint swords.
What is this magic you speak of?
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Right click wizardry makes me forget how to block.
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Seriously, what's up with that?
Everywhere I see people blocking every regular attack, actually you need super feints and some serious footwork to hit them. Ten days ago many of them couldn't block anything now they block everything, have decent attack patterns...
Did whole battle server went to duel server and practices for day and night?
Ehm... autoblock Leshma ;)
Or something is wrong with you skills :P
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Or something is wrong with you skills :P
Probably this.
But I know for a fact that 6-7 month since I started playing this mod huge majority couldn't block anything beside right swing and in last month or so it seems that even new guys block all the usual attacks. But I got used to that.
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Probably this.
But I know for a fact that 6-7 month since I started playing this mod huge majority couldn't block anything beside right swing and in few weeks it seems that even new guys block all the usual attacks. But I got used to that.
Yeh I agree when i started playing only some guys were decent blockers, especally one guy John_RS but then i found out that he most likely used autoblock hack since after i hit him like eh.... 30 times in a duel server he managed to block, not even Phase can block that much :P
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Yeh I agree when i started playing only some guys were decent blockers, especally one guy John_RS but then i found out that he most likely used autoblock hack since after i hit him like eh.... 30 times in a duel server he managed to block, not even Phase can block that much :P
Lol try Paul and also, when you're not attacking back blocking isn't that hard. It's the combination of you trying your fancy tricks on your opponent while you still need to pay attention to what he is doing.
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Lol try Paul and also, when you're not attacking back blocking isn't that hard. It's the combination of you trying your fancy tricks on your opponent while you still need to pay attention to what he is doing.
uhm.. okay :/
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Yeh I agree when i started playing only some guys were decent blockers, especally one guy John_RS but then i found out that he most likely used autoblock hack since after i hit him like eh.... 30 times in a duel server he managed to block, not even Phase can block that much :P
if i spot a dubious blocker/autoblocker, i spawn with a great maul in the following round.
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I do not fear the hiltslash, i fear triple feint swords.
so stay on guard until you block his weapon. then do a normal attack and he can't keep feinting without blocking your incoming hit. now the feint era is almost over. it's the hold attacks era... i still remember a year ago where people thought doing more feints to get better chances but was only good because game speed was higher and general blocking skill was lower. now you either engage in a block-hit-block with hold attacks here and there, you take opponent flank with good footwork, you do disengage and back, block stun versus lighter weapons but no.. feint spam is no more effective.
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Feint spam is no longer effective, but that doesn't mean feinting altogether is not effective, it certainly still is and I still beat alot of people using feints. Just that against the better opponents I feint less than I would vs a less skilled opponent, but it's always good to throw a feint or two in there just to try and break your opponents rythem.
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Yeh I agree when i started playing only some guys were decent blockers, especally one guy John_RS but then i found out that he most likely used autoblock hack since after i hit him like eh.... 30 times in a duel server he managed to block, not even Phase can block that much :P
well phase suxx anyways
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My guess is this mod (and game) simply has a great pool of people who stick with the game for a long time without getting uber-good or noticed by many. But over the very long playing time many of them start getting solid at blocking and general melee skill.
Hell, even I feel like getting better after 2 years with this game...
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i remember when i was a noob i would run at the guy that i thought was the most skilled, cuz it was fun fighting people that actually knew how to block. Honestly i love fighting archers that have good melee skills, its so surprising to meet an archer that can actually block and not kite like a my old friend.
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i remember when i was a noob i would run at the guy that i thought was the most skilled, cuz it was fun fighting people that actually knew how to block. Honestly i love fighting archers that have good melee skills, its so surprising to meet an archer that can actually block and not kite like a my old friend.
and what's so funny about fighting an ARCHER in melee? :? it's like an archer would say "hey it's so funny to shot down 2handers with ranged!"
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and what's so funny about fighting an ARCHER in melee? :? it's like an archer would say "hey it's so funny to shot down 2handers with ranged!"
Getting beat up by a puny hammer is hilarious
getting pincushioned with arrows that somehow pierce plate: rage inducing
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Yeh I agree when i started playing only some guys were decent blockers, especally one guy John_RS but then i found out that he most likely used autoblock hack since after i hit him like eh.... 30 times in a duel server he managed to block, not even Phase can block that much :P
John_RS is just a good player, he's not an autoblocker, you fail hard.
He still plays by the way, just under different names.
Besides, blocking someone 30 times in a row isn't all that hard unless whoever you're fighting is extremely fast with an extremely hard to block feinting pattern (lol yeahrite.jpg)
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John_RS is just a good player, he's not an autoblocker, you fail hard.
He still plays by the way, just under different names.
Besides, blocking someone 30 times in a row isn't all that hard unless whoever you're fighting is extremely fast with an extremely hard to block feinting pattern (lol yeahrite.jpg)
Funny I never saw him block UP, RIGHT OR LEFT when he was not dueling... Always blocking DOWN like autoblockers
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I believe that Guard_Jormglorm can block my attacks as long as he wants (we had a duel once on duel server, I think it lasted 15 mins) :D
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I believe that Guard_Jormglorm can block my attacks as long as he wants (we had a duel once on duel server, I think it lasted 15 mins) :D
Your kidding right?! :shock: SICK :D
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I believe that Guard_Jormglorm can block my attacks as long as he wants (we had a duel once on duel server, I think it lasted 15 mins) :D
But Jorm is an UGLYBASTARD so it doesn't matter! 8-)
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But Jorm is an UGLYBASTARD so it doesn't matter! 8-)
omg jormglorm is UGLYBASTARD the shielder? waaaaat? :shock:
now i get why.. he came out from nowhere dueling like the gayest of the pros...
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He's an incredibly annoying person to duel, but you do it anyway because you realize there will be many more like him. :lol:
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Duels with jorm are just.... long
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He's an incredibly annoying person to duel, but you do it anyway because you realize there will be many more like him. :lol:
yeah one of the best duelers i met. lucky me he can't stand delayed morningstar swings :mrgreen:
Duels with jorm are just.... long
nah just roll a 45/3 ezmode build and you'll be fine.
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He's an incredibly annoying person to duel, but you do it anyway because you realize there will be many more like him. :lol:
You're just a nub!