Just an FYI: Morion's were predominatly used by the Spanish during the New World Conquests. This was actually late renaissance as the Arquebus hadn't supplanted the crossbow in mass usage, yet. In fact, the Conquistadors brought Crossbowmen with them when they attacked the Aztecs.
Historical accuracy is not an argument for game balance.
-end thread.
..the "Chichak" hemets are from 17c. right?no
"The helmet had an oriental origin, being derived from the Ottoman Turkish 'chichak' (Turkish - çiçak) helmet. It was adopted by the Christian states of Europe in the early 17th century.[9][10] It saw widespread use during the Thirty Years War when it became known as the zischagge, a Germanisation of the original Turkish name.[11] Many of these European-made capelines were later imported during the English Civil War. Sometimes older helmets like the burgeonet or sallet were modified to resemble the lobster pot although these were less effective in the field."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capeline
In fact more items just brings more variation and fun.
we need the shit from this mod NOAW!
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,52205.0.html?PHPSESSID=a7rmor7tedu9dts84960epc973
Then I want Wehrmacht Uniforms and Stormtrooper suits...
Because:
Sigh. No Greek/Roman items.
He didn't even bother to google "Chichak" before claiming it's something else.
http://i.imgur.com/VzSNI.pngHAHAAAA!
http://i.imgur.com/VzSNI.png
It's really called a capeline helmet, which were commonly used by the hussars,
no
Do you actually read the links you post?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capeline
This is the turkish Chichak:(click to show/hide)
Yes I did actually read the small one page article I posted. I"m curious though, did you actually bother to read what I posted? I never said it was of European Origin, obviously it was adopted by Europeans, in the 17th century. I argued that it's from the era of gunpowder. Are you going to disagree with that? If you can provide a credible source that says the turks were using them in the medieval period then your criticism might actually hold some water.
The Capeline (Chichak) helms didn't exist in the medieval period, which is when this game is supposedly set. That's my argument. If you have credible evidence that contradicts my criticism, then by all means, share it with the rest of the group. If you don't, please refrain from being childish.
HAHAAAA!
I now know you live in Sammamish, WA. If you see something moving in the bushes, its probably me.
Remind me if i am wrong but this is caldeira not earth. Historical accuracy is lovely and all that, in historical games. but this is a fantasy game. Be thankful chadz doesn't implement Yu-Gi-Oh hairstyles and cloud's buster sword to appeal to a wider audience.
Sigh. No Greek/Roman items.
You said it's really called a "capeline helmet." It's not, it's "really" called a Chichak, and it wasn't used by the Hussars. Only the capline, which was derived from the Chichak was used by the Hussars.
... you're missing the point of my argument. And btw, the Chichak and the Capeline are basically the same helmet. If they were really as different as you say they are wouldn't there be a separate Wikipedia article for them already?
I'm missing no point. I'm not arguing against your "point", simply saying that c-RPG didn't get the name of the helmet wrong.
There being no separate Wikipedia article for the Chichak proves... nothing.
It proves that "Capeline" is the more commonly known term used to refer to that style of helmet. My original argument had nothing to do with semantics, But if you really want to be that guy and nit pick over petty somatic details... It was not my intention to say that it "wasn't called a chichak helmet", I simply clarified that it's actually more commonly known as the capeline. If it wasn't, why would google pull up "capeline" when I search "Chichak helmet"?
no it wasn't more commonly called the capeline, the capeline is another helmet completely, although similar in design.
Its not fantasy. Rather a historical fiction.
Medieval feel? Crpg feels more like a renaissance turko-russian world than anything resebling medieval europe. There are no knights, no men at arms, just a smattering of randomers dressed in weeabo/russian/turkish/plate armor with steppe archers and light cavalry.... No one goes around with a great lance, or outfitted in armor and destrier. I never had the "medieval" feeling when i joined crpg, because immediately i see out of context weeabos, chinese swords, plate armored sprinters, with some caldarian armor and weapon. Then subsequent items were the russian items, THEN now we see turkish items, what kind of medieval simulation is this?
Seems like you are ignoring the elephant in the room that is Katanas, Samurai Armor & Throwing Stars.
IMO, I like the "medieval" feel of this game (sans Jap stuff). Once people start complaining about different centuries and russian-anglo-saxter-turkish-persian shit they lost me. Those helmets you are linking look "medieval" to me. I know in the real world, that isn't true, but they do look like they belong in a world full of European/west asian chain & plate stuff.
I know thats not "logical" or "historically correct", but using "Historical Fantasty" as a guide, I think it fits the "Calradian Era" fine. Like I said I think you've got a more obvious issue with Japanese and [argued for in this thread] Ancient Roman/Greek items.
moved the topic where it belongs.
It's just that having studied history in college these kinds of things tend to bother me more than the average gamer I guess.
The steal work on these helmets is much too advanced to be in the same period as medieval knights in plate armor.
No, I don't think there should be greek or roman things in the game. I think they should remove the 17th century stuff too.
Lets just get more weapons, armor, and shields from the years 1050-1550. There is SO MUCH variety of gear from that five hundred year period that we should never be in want.