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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Michael on January 29, 2011, 12:11:36 am
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Funny, some incompetent footman got in my way and then he blamed me. He said he died because of me.
What? I was there to save his ass. I wasted my time there.
Footman, if you are not capable to kill the other guy, just block and back-pedal and let me kill him. Or if you need the kill for your huge ego-small penis - deadly combo, let me bump him and then you can slash and kill him.
But do not dance in front of me, block me, and under no circumstances forget your place.
Me nobleman, you footman.
The last thing I have to say on this matter, you jealous bitches, suck this up:
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You need to work on your trolling a bit, old chap.
And, of course, by "a bit" I mean "a lot."
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would be cool if he at least could enter the area where you feel like you want to smile or something.
this is just boring :(
but after the fail in the ban forum i didn't expect a lot more so i'll give you a troll point to send you back on your way to zero.
also wrong forum section as this is spam :)
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Meh, yes. It'd be cool if it was at least faintly amusing.
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hurrr
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You are no noble guy!! I can slash a guy and a horse in 1 good hit with my dodo bird sword!! (dodao, but i call it dodo bird :mrgreen: ) But people shouldnt yell at you for helping, but if your not they can yell.
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As a recently new sword and board Cav, i do have 1 thing to say.
Nearly every time I attack an enemy who is fighting with an ally, the strangest thing happens.
I pass the enemy in such a way that I can WAY clear of my ally. As soon as I swing I turn hard to get even further away, to make sure I wont run over my friend.
However most of the time, the ally footmen panic when they see a friend horse, and just RUN in a random direction, usually DIRECTLY INTO the horse. If they just stayed moving in the direction they were, all would be fine.
Maybe I need to start trying to intentional run over my allies, so when they inevitably panic ill miss them.
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I will remember this thread, and when i'm about to kill someone that just lost his horse, i'll stop.
Then i'll make sure he's eating dirt.
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i have to agree with this some footmen are just dumb he sees me coming and his doing his fancy foot work and the dumbass gose to my lance!!
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i have to agree with this some footmen are just dumb he sees me coming and his doing his fancy foot work and the dumbass gose to my lance!!
On the other hand, sometimes footmen have complete control in melee encounters with enemy footmen and dumbass friendly cav come from behind and couch their teammates. It works both ways.
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On the other hand, sometimes footmen have complete control in melee encounters with enemy footmen and dumbass friendly cav come from behind and couch their teammates. It works both ways.
He doesn't even have to use a lance, a FF bump is enough to get yourself killed. When I was a cavalryman, I tried to analyse each fight, and when I saw a dude is about to lose, or had a lot of men ganking him, I moved in. Rarely did this with duels, depends on the target.
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Sometimes going to help your team mate is the worst thing you can do, especially in my case... Sometimes I'll (from my perspective) heroically charge in, all arrogant and superior, go to stab an enemy who's about to deliver the final death blow on my team mate and ... BOOM... Line of dark red text appears... RAGE, apologise... then think hurrr wont do that again... and then I do it the next round and I'm really raging and end up having a break.
There was this time I actually tked with a horse bump, a templar dressed in peasant clothing ran into my horses path, when I was at full speed and an accident happened. It's not always the cavalrymans fault that people get bumped, infantry need awareness too!
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There are as many cases where the cavalry have done something silly. Recently I was in the Nord Town fighting another infantryman in the graveyard in the corner, where a horse is frankly as much use as a chocolate fireguard, and along comes some idiot trying to manoeuvre his horse to join in the fight, bumping me twice and getting his big fat pony in the way of my swings so that eventually I lost my temper and killed the horse before killing the enemy. Next round at spawn the cavalryman deliberately tried to kill me with a ride by attack.
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This coming from a tank who rides through multiple friends to get one enemy...
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Oh im Sorry oh Almighty horseman I forgot that couch lancing someone in the back after a 600 yard run up was hard compared to blocking and attacking and kicking in 4 cardinal directions at the speed of light.
GL Ol' Chap.
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Cavalry has a very low skill floor and a high skill ceiling. This describes most roles in this game, but is especially true of Cav. It is rather easy to pick up cav and do quite well on the scoreboards but to be an amazing cav takes good timing, awareness and other such skills.
Cav friendly fire is generally a result of a lack of awareness on the part of either of the parties involves, or a result of Cav greed. Lack of awareness appears to be congenital to playing this game and as such is far more acceptable to me than friendly fire due to greed on the cavalryman's part.
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Despite the OP's obvious trolling I have to agree with him about the cav helping guys who are obviously about to be slaughtered.
I try to help these people if I can by bumping the player who's about to dice them into tiny pieces. But some (perhaps stubborn?) players decide to step between me and the target causing me to veer away quickly to avoid bumping them both. I'm not looking to take your kill I just wanna stop you getting killed so you can go on to contribute to the team winning the round.
The same sort of thing applies to many situations. If I see a guy going for the easy peasant kill I'll try to lance him. If I see 3 guys on one team mate i'll try and even the odds etc. I know there are cav who don't play like this and will slam through team mates just to get 1 measly kill and that's a shame but I promise you, not all cav are like that :P
Pre-patch before I played as cav I used to think they were pretty dumb in the way they would seem to charge into trees or walls or other players. But now I realise they were probably looking in the totally opposite direction. Cav's heads are on a 360 swivel trying to find targets of opportunity as well as trying to avoid bumping team mates, avoid pikes, and dodge arrows, stones, javelins, flying axes. I've had many occasions when I've been multitasking like this and have bumped a team mate by accident in the process.
Genuine mistakes happen a lot in this game, so forgive for those. But by all means name and shame cav who care little for men on foot :mrgreen:
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i as infantry also have 360° swivel watching out what happens round me, not only cav likes battleawareness
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Cavalry has a very low skill floor and a high skill ceiling. This describes most roles in this game, but is especially true of Cav. It is rather easy to pick up cav and do quite well on the scoreboards but to be an amazing cav takes good timing, awareness and other such skills.
Cav friendly fire is generally a result of a lack of awareness on the part of either of the parties involves, or a result of Cav greed. Lack of awareness appears to be congenital to playing this game and as such is far more acceptable to me than friendly fire due to greed on the cavalryman's part.
Both are true. I'm still at the beginning aka not skilled enough with a lance and in most cases I avoid helping my teammate when he's having duel with enemy player. Only when I'm completely sure that I won't stab my own with my heavy lance I hop in and kill the enemy footman.
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If your charging into a melee-fight on a horse, its YOUR responsibility to not harm your teammate, because your the one in control. Your teammate cant choose to not involve himself in a situation with a horseman (sometimes totally careless about infantery, like michael, ive seen him in action). If you, as a cavalry, wanna involve yourself in a melee-fight, you should make sure you wont hit your teammate with the horse (means, keep distance), and make sure you wont hit him/her before you attack.
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No, horses have the right of way. Horses ALWAYS have the right of way. The only time you get right of way is when you show some evidence of you disputing the right of way with a charging horse. It does not have to be video evidence, a scan of your hospital bill for fixing your 3 broken ribs is sufficient.
If you do not take issue with a horses right of way in your life, why do you think you should be able to do so in mount and blade?
This said, I always steer clear of blind pedestrians. Some friendlies get so easily spooked they will kill my horse. I try to help the ones out numbered 3 to 1, but after finding that friendlies love to move into the horse, I usually leave them alone to their death.
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No, horses have the right of way. Horses ALWAYS have the right of way. The only time you get right of way is when you show some evidence of you disputing the right of way with a charging horse. It does not have to be video evidence, a scan of your hospital bill for fixing your 3 broken ribs is sufficient.
If you do not take issue with a horses right of way in your life, why do you think you should be able to do so in mount and blade?
This said, I always steer clear of blind pedestrians. Some friendlies get so easily spooked they will kill my horse. I try to help the ones out numbered 3 to 1, but after finding that friendlies love to move into the horse, I usually leave them alone to their death.
My gosh ppl should stop making all these "in RL it's that way so it's gotta be this way in game!!!1111" arguments - we are playing a damn game where your TEAM's gotta win, so the stupid horsemen might be less stupid if they managed not bumping and slashing and poking their own teammates
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My gosh ppl should stop making all these "in RL it's that way so it's gotta be this way in game!!!1111" arguments - we are playing a damn game where your TEAM's gotta win, so the stupid horsemen might be less stupid if they managed not bumping and slashing and poking their own teammates
I think hes just trolling, no worry. If he behaved like that ingame he would have a long history of bans :)
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I agree with Lilith. If the cav wants to intervene, its his responsibility to not hit his teammate. That teammate has no idea a cav is about to charge at him. He's too busy trying to block and swing and stay alive. Can't do the 360 spin around in a sword fight. As a failed cav guy, I know its harder to lance than it appears and some horses move like buses. I suck at it. If you cannot spear someone with pinpoint accuracy without mowing down the whole group, just stay away. I'd rather die from my own manual blocking shittiness than getting knocked over several times by my teammate, followed by a sword through the skull from my enemy. TommyHue seems to be good at killing who needs to be killed. Learn from him.
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It might be a game, but real life forms the basis for it. How else will you explain why a kitchen knife does less damage in CRPG compared to say a scimitar? If we threw out every real life benchmark, can I have horses that fly and shoot fire from their nostrils? Or dresses with 60 armour?
In case you did not read the full post I do not advocate running down infantry. Infantry need to know that in times when they see a friendly horseman coming towards them, THEY need to move out of the way AS WELL. The horseman obviously does not want to bowl them over, and is probably trying their best to avoid them, but several factors can cause this to be difficult to achieve, such as getting chased and sandwiched by 2 enemy cav (turn too much and eat a lance), parthian shots, horse maneuvers like a brick etc. Plus there is the whole energy conservation thing that is important in cav duels. So help the horsemen out and step out of the way as well, and they will help you.
I hate any unfortunate accidents that happen, and avoid it as much as humanely possible (I play America's army, where I found it better to be shot by an unconfirmed target than to risk accidentally kill a teammate. I obviously get type scummed a lot for actually asking me team to report in..) but its no real skin off the horseman's teeth if he bowls you over, as the knocking over usually does not result in a direct tk, but often gets the pedestrian killed indirectly instead. So for the love of horses, please move away for your own sake. Don't stand staring at my horse with puppy eyes expecting me to do all the moving. I am dodging enemy lancers as well as friendly unaware crunchies already. This is what is meant horses have the right of way. Dispute this right of way at your own peril.
Up next, watch someone dispute right of way with a M1A1 or an armoured bulldozer. More at 10.
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While the sheer amount of trolls made me laugh out loud when reading this, I thought I'd chime in.
Most of the time, it is totally the cavalryman's fault for friendly horse-bumping. I am a cavalryman, and rarely has anyone just "jumped in my way". Its only when I meddle in situations that I ought not to that I bump a friendly - IE, someone going 1 vs 1 against an enemy.
I'd say that as a cav, you gotta understand the risks of riding a horse. Careening around a corner at full gallop has the inherent risk that a friendly is just around that corner. As does charging down the damn middle of a bridge when the two sides are engaged; sure, you might lance an enemy, but you better bet you're gonna knock over a friendly or two.
That being said, if a friendly is outnumbered 2 to 1 or 3 to 1, I just charge in, bump the crap outta everyone, and try to lance one. But, that's the only time I would ever purposefully bump a teammate.
And, for the record, espite all the raging that's happened against us horse-lovers since the patch, I'd say FF horse bumps are among the best things implemented.
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I think it is ok to bump everyone if its a 2 or 3vs1 situation with your friendly outnumbered, as long as you bump the friendly first if possible. This allows him to get up first to slash one enemy. Bumping the enemy from behind and then going through your friendly seems to paradoxically get your friendly killed. Obviously bumping only enemies is the most desirable, but is rare enough to be impractical.
I remember a game where it was 2 wounded cav versus 2 tin cans, with me as one wounded HA with no melee. Bumped one guy and the other cav slashed him, then the other cav got stopped and dehorsed by one of those large sword thingies. Enemy was overhanding for a coup de grace. Only thing to do was to bump the friendly and the enemy. No time for fancy maneuvers to avoid the friendly. Friendly got up, slashed the enemy, enemy slashed my horse (got stuck as well) because of his unbridled horse hate, team mate killed the guy GG.
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Well I will put my 2 cents in.
As pure infantry melee I am outnumbered in fights often and LOVE, may i repeat LOVE when Cav comes swooping in to save my ass!! Sure maybe he bumps me once in a while but at that same time he usually takes down a enemy soldier.
So keep it up Cav and anyone whos bitching leave'm a load from the rear end of you horse.
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Glad you appreciate the thankless job of cav. Sometimes I save a guy outnumbered 3-1 and he accuses me of kill stealing? I got one of them and helped you get 2 (bumps, damage and distraction) and I was kill stealing? There is no such thing as kill stealing, only teamwork.
And as cav I do feel sorry when I have to bump a friendly for any reason, even if I was trying to help him for his benefit. Alert and smart infantry are cav's best friend. They help in getting out of the way and also pike the enemy 2 cav wingman element behind you. Riding near them is a blessing. Crunchies who insist on re enacting that protester (now IHOP spokesperson) versus the IDF bulldozer scene are a more dangerous battlefield hazard than enemy anticav cav. I give those guys a WIDE berth.
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Footmen have no problems with good friendly cav that help them to either get the kill or survive the fight.
Footmen have problems with dumbass friendly cav who couch them while they're fighting a turtled-up spearman.
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I agree that person accusing you of killstealing is just idiotic, but I dont feel that is what the thread is about really.
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Said once by myself, and a couple of times by kongxinga, it's also the friendly infantries responsibility to not get bumped as much as it's the friendly cavalrymans to not bump them, if both arent doing so then obviously somone is going to get bumped, but even if you're extremely careful as cavalry, some situation mean you might have to accidently bump teammates.
For instance, you've been fighting off enemy lancers who would make easy 1 hit prey of your teams infantry, so instead of letting them harvest the kills you decide to face them lance v lance, problem is if you've got less lancers on your side or the lancers on your side die before you, it usually turns into a situation of 2 or more lancers trying to kill just me. When this occurs I need alot of space to ride and dodge then counter attack and such, if team infantry can't see I'm in trouble and still decide to walk infront of me without bothering to look, do you really want me to stop and get lanced just so you don't take [] damage from a bump?
I go infantry half the time and I don't use my horse all the time, and there have been many times where I've dodged friendly cavalry myself, if I can, I'm sure most of the whiners in this thread can.
No this isn't "trolling" this is fact. Sometimes people obviously troll, other times we share a story or two and still get called a troll. Everytime something controversial is said critisizing anothers actions, it does not make it an instant troll.
The word "troll" is annoying and people use it too much here.
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Most situations that cause rage about friendly cav involve Cav interfering in fights between Infantry, I suspect. The problem with this is that it is much, much harder for the infantry to react to the cav in that situation. The burden of responsibility is on the cavalry's head in that situation, as he has the choice of whether or not to engage.
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Murmillus_prime: ironicly, you did troll when you started to talk about us as whiners. Up to that point you werent.
I agree that you cant always watch out for the infantery, but some cavalry dont even care to do that when theyre charging toward the infantery in question. This is what people have described, and what is a problem.
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Murmillus_prime: ironicly, you did troll when you started to talk about us as whiners. Up to that point you werent.
I agree that you cant always watch out for the infantery, but some cavalry dont even care to do that when theyre charging toward the infantery in question. This is what people have described, and what is a problem.
I didn't troll! Would you like me to rephrase, "whiners" so that it isn't "trolling". Or does critisizing anyone mean I'm "trolling".
I know it's wikipedia, but these are the first lines that described trolling.
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2] In addition to the offending poster, the noun troll can also refer to the provocative message itself, as in "that was an excellent troll you posted".
I stayed within context of this topic, I did not call anyone out, or intend to start an argument, how am I a troll?
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by making an offtopic comment that was ment to provoke.
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by making an offtopic comment that was ment to provoke.
So saying people whine about being bumped when they can't be bothered to try and avoid being bumped themselves is off topic? Or people accusing others of being troll in this thread previously means I spoke out of context when sharing my opinions about the use of the word troll and how and when it's used?
As far as I'm concerned calling people trolls all the time is a form of trolling especially if the targeted 'troll' has only been guilty of sharing an opinion others may not agree with. It could be said you trolled me by calling me a troll.
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Quite a funny thing this thread, you can't blame infantry for your greed, I've NEVER been saved by any horsemen with a lance, the only time I've had help from cav is from 1hander.
The amount of times I've been tk'd by greedy cav is unbelievable and I'm not talking about knocking me over and letting the enemy kill me, I'm talking about couching me in the ass I've been in a mass melee with 4-5 on me and still been couched by my own team, best thing you can do to help me, stay away.
Oh by the way I tell a lie when I say I've never been saved, was actually saved yesterday.
The story goes, I just started a brand new char, was 3-3stats with a practice sword. I got into a fight with 2 other players me managing to block like a manic for some time untill the enemy cav came along and wanted to Save them from such a horrible threat, the first pass he totally missed everyone the second pass he managed to couch his own teammate that was nowhere near me, the third pass he managed to couch his second teammate, and then i ran off and survived the round.
Just don't, I repeat Don't lance into melee combat.
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Quite a funny thing this thread, you can't blame infantry for your greed, I've NEVER been saved by any horsemen with a lance, the only time I've had help from cav is from 1hander.
The amount of times I've been tk'd by greedy cav is unbelievable and I'm not talking about knocking me over and letting the enemy kill me, I'm talking about couching me in the ass I've been in a mass melee with 4-5 on me and still been couched by my own team, best thing you can do to help me, stay away.
Oh by the way I tell a lie when I say I've never been saved, was actually saved yesterday.
The story goes, I just started a brand new char, was 3-3stats with a practice sword. I got into a fight with 2 other players me managing to block like a manic for some time untill the enemy cav came along and wanted to Save them from such a horrible threat, the first pass he totally missed everyone the second pass he managed to couch his own teammate that was nowhere near me, the third pass he managed to couch his second teammate, and then i ran off and survived the round.
Just don't, I repeat Don't lance into melee combat.
Lancing and couch lancing are different matters. Couch lancing is harder to control and thus should never be used to help a team mate who's already engaged in melee, however a precise lance jab is always a help to a team mate in melee, and I've helped many people this way, (or sometimes helped myself to a kill, if I'm going to be completley honest), and I help many more than I ever do accidently tk. However I completley agree that couch lancers shouldn't engage enemy targets in a close proximity to an ally, I've been teamkilled many times by Turks who do this on my team.
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The reason why infantry hates allied horses is because allied horsemen do more damage than help.
Now that horses bump allies we actually see how many newbie horsemen are around. And selfish horsemen. Rarely do I see a horseman who will properly bump the guy I'm fighting with, after which I easily hit knocked down target. Allied horsemen I have experience with usually pretend I don't exist and just bump me over and over. Record is 3 consecutive bumps on me and *none* on just guy I'm fighting with.
Most of the times, if I treated allied horsemen as enemy I'd fare much better.
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There are good cav players and bad ones, just as archers, as melee infantry as any other weapon type user, there will be noobs and less skilled players in all classes, give these players a chance to get better, they're probably trying to be as good as better cavalry but they're rusty because they haven't been cav as long as some of the good players. When archers could fire faster there were more archers and I remember everyone whinging about them tking all the time, basically same thing is happening with cav now.
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Anybody else read the book "Brave New World" and wonder why they left in the first place?
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If I am on my cavalry guy I rarely ever bump my team mates, most of the occasions I do is when I am fighting other cavalry and I am required to keep my screen facing them whilst my horse is turning and I can't actually see the guy I'm about to bump, which is still very uncommon.
Sometimes it happens because I am riding fast through a tight location and a team mate pops out from no where, or he suddenly strafes infront of me as I am passing through a gap, but I rarely, very rarely, ever bump team mates who are in combat, if I can't get a clean hit on the enemy with my longsword, I will just simply keep bumping the enemy over until my team mate finishes him off or he dies from bumps lol.
It's the greedy cavalry guys who storm through their team mates to try and get kills that give me and other decent team playing cav a bad name.
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Anybody else read the book "Brave New World" and wonder why they left in the first place?
Some men just want to watch the world burn, and horsebump their teammates.
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This is a Finished thread. It is automatically devoid of worth or reason. That is all.
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as a sword and boarder, there is nothing more enraging then getting team horse bumped from behind.
If im fighting someone im focusing on them, if i hear a horse coming I assume its an enemy, if you don't assume its an enemy your going to die. So yes, if a friendly bumps me and i Die instantly because im laying on the ground getting stabbed, IT IS YOUR FAULT.
I get killed almost as much to friendly cav(friendly bumps = knockdown = death) as i do to enemy cav.
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When horsemen bump me and causemy death. Next round in spawn imake it a unicorn. THROWING SPEAR TO THE HORSES HEAD. Its called rage bitches deal withit. :mad:
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lol.. Good troll post Finished/Michael. Can't believe folks buy it..
Cav complaining about friendly infantry getting in their way lol.
tbh Michael, your posts and "reason" make my mind twist. I simply cannot believe how sick your "mild" trolling is. I'm so glad I'll never never never never never never never ever. Have to meet you in person. Pervert.
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Horses are for cowards.