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Title: One of a kind
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 21, 2011, 03:36:37 pm
I am one of the last of a dying breed, a remnant of a glorious race, the best and worst of my kind, I am a Jav Cav...

But seriously why does no one play this build? :P its great fun and is a nice counter to lancers if you can master it (which I havnt done :P), so I wanna see more javalry because I know there are loads of people that could really make this class work, while I lack the general base skills to be anything more than mediocre :D

It's a nice flexible build with javelins, throwing spears or jarids where you can run down archers and light inf, while being able to take down lancers and HA and the occassional pike.

Try this build, I dare you :P
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Kafein on September 21, 2011, 06:07:41 pm
Although it probably doesn't fit your RP, try the throwing axes and their magic onboard accuracy enhancement system :mrgreen:
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Penitent on September 21, 2011, 06:14:31 pm
I actually might try this next gen if I can work it in.  How much PT/wpf do you think you need?

I liked playing jav cav in native b4 i came here.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Overdriven on September 21, 2011, 06:16:36 pm
When Lorenzo is full build he can near enough 1 shot me off my horse with a good hit. People should definitely try it more  :)
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 21, 2011, 06:23:32 pm
SR Kophka careens around the servers as javalry as well. He does well with it. I'm experimenting with riding before I go out and try to throw shit from horseback.

The last time I did riding was back before the January patch
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 21, 2011, 06:24:42 pm
Javelin Cav!

That is like the mounted mounted Akritae of the Eastern Roman Empire, so cool.
With the latest gear, I was thinking of respecing one of my alts into a cav anyways, might do this since it does look like fun (even though I only know 3 people who are doing it), or a Scholarii type instead maybe...
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Braeden on September 21, 2011, 06:25:58 pm
I've actually seen 3 throwing cav since yesterday , not counting myself, on the NA servers.  Kophka topped the scoreboard with it for a while, though he did also get a lot of kills with his 1h sword.

Sidenote, I prefer throwing spears, because 4 is better than 3.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on September 21, 2011, 06:27:45 pm
Maybe I'll role an alt to do this again. Or maybe I'll role one on my main on a journey towards loomed Heavy Board and Long Dagger, except using only firebombs.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 21, 2011, 06:28:51 pm
For someone who plays WoT so much, Kophka does a spectacular job at destroying in MnB
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 21, 2011, 06:33:18 pm
Quote from: Garison on September 21, 2011, 06:14:31 pm
I actually might try this next gen if I can work it in.  How much PT/wpf do you think you need?

I liked playing jav cav in native b4 i came here.

I have 5 power throw and 144 wpf in throwing by lvl 30 (that includes 100 in polearms for my war spear) it means you can reach riding and wm 7 with a 15 / 21 build.

Quote from: Kafein on September 21, 2011, 06:07:41 pm
Although it probably doesn't fit your RP, try the throwing axes and their magic onboard accuracy enhancement system :mrgreen:

It's a good suggestion but sadly I cant bear to split from my masterwork javelins :P

Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on September 21, 2011, 06:24:42 pm
Javelin Cav!

That is like the mounted mounted Akritae of the Eastern Roman Empire, so cool.
With the latest gear, I was thinking of respecing one of my alts into a cav anyways, might do this since it does look like fun (even though I only know 3 people who are doing it), or a Scholarii type instead maybe...

ye something like that :) I just based it loosley on numidian style, light armour, light horse, spear and some javelins :D Hannibal's finest etc
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Teeth on September 21, 2011, 06:37:51 pm
Forgot about horse throwers, almost non existant these days. I'll see if I can be arsed to roll an alt with this class.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Braeden on September 22, 2011, 12:22:26 am
Saw another two today.  I think its picking up again.

On an alternate note, anyone looking into the class: Horse Archery helps.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Renten on September 22, 2011, 12:42:15 am
Saw one today, nearly killed me with one throw. Seems pretty viable especially if you hunt down other cav
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Siboire on September 22, 2011, 12:43:33 am
Is it really viable or more like a troll/fun alt build? I always wanted to try out but never dared cuz of throwing weapons upkeep + horse upkeep would prolly dry me up!  :?

One time I tried and I found it really hard to hit something if I was not (completly or almost) stopped so I raged and re-spec'd lol
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Overdriven on September 22, 2011, 01:08:05 am
Quote from: Siboire on September 22, 2011, 12:43:33 am
Is it really viable or more like a troll/fun alt build? I always wanted to try out but never dared cuz of throwing weapons upkeep + horse upkeep would prolly dry me up!  :?

One time I tried and I found it really hard to hit something if I was not (completly or almost) stopped so I raged and re-spec'd lol

Lorenzo's build is jav/lancer. Switching between his war spear and a lance depending.

He's out at the moment so I'll try and answer. It takes a fair bit of practice. If you can hit lighter armoured foes, the damage with the speed bonus can be quite significant. I know I've been 1 shot of my horse by him in the past. There is also the horrendous satisfaction of watching Lorenzo get a good head shot on someone. To do it really well is difficult, like any ranged on horseback it requires considerable judgement of range, your speed, enemies speed, angle and all other factors. And often the javs don't kill...merely wound. But that wounding sets you up for a lance/war spear stab that will likely kill you

From watching, Lorenzo often uses the javs to down cav, which I think might be easier than aiming for inf. But he does get some good kills on inf. If his horse gets downed, he uses the warspear with no shield and is decent at blocking ect enough to do damage with it.

The upkeep isn't so bad. I know Lorenzo uses an Arabian (switched to a rouncey atm for the lols, he can ride an Arabian btw despite the riding req). He did sell an heirloom point, but as far as I'm aware the upkeep isn't any worse than most cav builds.

I've always been tempted to make a build of it in the past. But I love my HA to much to switch for a gen  :)
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Reyiz on September 22, 2011, 01:22:58 am
I really wanted to play as a horse thrower and i made a char. Untill level 26 it was ok, i used to have about 50k gold, after hitting level 26 the golds melted down so quickly and i couldnt repair my stupid horse  :cry:
then respec'ed and made it foot thrower which i like very much :wink:
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Kophka on September 22, 2011, 01:30:05 am
I have been Javalry since just after chadz, in his wisdom, paired with Jest to make an NA cRPG server. I've seen it go from just myself, to a large contingent, to nothing, and now I see it on the rise. This is good!

If you want a javalry build I can share mine with you. If you are planning on making your own, remember that it is really, really difficult to find and pick up spent shots, especially when being circled by lance cav.

My build :
(click to show/hide)

Tips :

Don't bring any thing that is not sheathable, including a lance. Javelins(or w/e) are meant to be used before melee, and you will have to drop your lance if you see a light cavalry offer a tempting shot, or see a shield wall you can pass behind to break up with your javelins.


Carry a melee weapon. While you MAY be able to find one when you are out of ammo, you have to slow down quite a bit to pick things up off the ground, which can get you killed (usually by ranged).

A shield is a HUGE help to javalry. If you get caught by melee cav that is on a faster horse (or many), you can use your shield to catch their lance, then toss a javelin into their face. It can also save your life when you don't have time to hit x and try to downblock with your throwing weapon. It can also save your bacon vs a horse archer, though they will usually just aim for your horse.

Take advantage of the fact that Javalry can throw a bit to the RIGHT of their horse. You can often catch a piker or lancer with this move. Act like you are charging them, then peel off a bit to the left, toss, and keep riding.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Braeden on September 22, 2011, 01:34:56 am
In regard to upkeep, it really isn't that bad, as long as you use a cheaper melee sidearm or keep a few stacks of cheaper throwing.  4 stacks of throwing lances on a warhorse will bankrupt you, but 2 stacks of javs and a bastard sword on a destrier can be maintained, as long as your armor is reasonable.  I make money on mine, though I wear awful armor and use a cheap horse (demands of my clan equipment rules and all).
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 22, 2011, 01:39:03 am
As we are talking builds here I will add mine in too ;)

lvl 30 - Str 15 , Agi 21

skills to attributes : 2

IF: 0
PS: 5
Shield : 0
Athletics: 2
Riding: 7
HA: 3
PT: 5
WM: 7

polearms : 100
Throwing : 144

masterwork javelins
Masterwork Warspear (well half a gen away :P)

White Lamellar
Leather Gloves
Splinted Greaves

Champion Arabian (though since upkeep is bothering me and I hate to go below 250k have been using rouncey recently)

been playing this build since I joined pretty much :/ bar through the dead thrower phase. I use the build as a lancer assassin due to the ability to down light horses in a few javelins (1 to the head works nicely) or just put a few javelins in the opposing cavalry's chest as they charge you, let the speed bonus of their charge do all the work for you :P

Then I can always go in with the warspear vs 1h cav and infantry, if really desperate go find a lance :P
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on September 22, 2011, 02:08:22 am
I'm a lancer (gay), and fucking hate thrower cav. It at least takes a while for a normal HA to take my [sexy] champion courser down. Thrower cav, however, fuck me up. Often they trot up just out of reach of mine lance, tease me into chasing them, and then throw sharp shit at my horses face.

Thrown weapons have always been one of the most effective, but underused, counters to cavalry.

And as much as thrower cav make me rage, I do admire the uniqueness of the build, and its coolness. As somebody who deliberately goes out of his way to stab javalry, I very much suggest that anyone interested in trying that class get a shield, and a very maneuverable horse. And never stop moving, which means don't run into melee cav while trying to get a good throw in. Most of the javalry that I've killed were stalled out, or lacked a shield.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Digglez on September 22, 2011, 02:18:34 am
no need to waste pierce dmg weapons on archers, u should prob carry more heavy axes than javs or spears
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Overdriven on September 22, 2011, 02:34:55 am
Quote from: Digglez on September 22, 2011, 02:18:34 am
no need to waste pierce dmg weapons on archers, u should prob carry more heavy axes than javs or spears

Heavy axes on a horse? The point is partly to be authentic  :P
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 22, 2011, 02:35:50 am
throwing axes dont fly as far as javelins :/ alos they get used on whatever needs to be gone :P
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Braeden on September 22, 2011, 08:31:07 am
Quote from: Overdriven on September 22, 2011, 02:34:55 am
Heavy axes on a horse? The point is partly to be authentic  :P

Heavy Axes on a light horse.  Its not an organized army fighting tactic, but its been done before.  Most barbarian groups pretty much threw everything they could get their hands on and lift.

My HT build:

Level 31
Str: 18
Agi: 18

PS: 6
Ath: 6
Riding: 5
HA: 3
PT: 6
WM: 6

I forgo the shield for ammo and my preference of a 2h weapon.  The athletics is in there because throwing from horseback works best with lots of space, and because sometimes I get dehorsed (read: lots of times).  I like 6 pt simply because throwing spears have more ammo than any other heavy hitter.  Heavy Axes are my favorite though, because they are oddly effective against horse archers.  5 riding instead of 6 because according to tests I just did with Kophka, riding bonus is rather weak, and that is the requirement for the destrier.  7 works well too though, the arabian warhorse is an excellent horse for HT (drop 3 str, take 3 agi and put points from PS and PT into riding).
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Templar_Ratigan on September 22, 2011, 07:42:20 pm
I tried it with masterwork stones once, but it is best with spear type throwing weapons. :D

I believe Templar_Osiris was doing this before I stopped playing.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Leshma on September 22, 2011, 08:13:53 pm
Pebble_Pusher was my hero. Genuinely nice guy :)

One of a kind.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Casimir on September 22, 2011, 08:20:21 pm
ratign is pebbles...

and yea, aronvonthrowalot is javalry, but he's just one of Osiris's alts.
Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Mannhammer on September 22, 2011, 09:53:13 pm
Seems like a good build.
Hell it worked for the Norman's at the battle of Hastings.
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Title: Re: One of a kind
Post by: Siboire on September 23, 2011, 12:51:25 am
Quote from: Braeden on September 22, 2011, 08:31:07 am
Heavy Axes on a light horse.  Its not an organized army fighting tactic, but its been done before.  Most barbarian groups pretty much threw everything they could get their hands on and lift.

My HT build:

Level 31
Str: 18
Agi: 18

PS: 6
Ath: 6
Riding: 5
HA: 3
PT: 6
WM: 6

I forgo the shield for ammo and my preference of a 2h weapon.  The athletics is in there because throwing from horseback works best with lots of space, and because sometimes I get dehorsed (read: lots of times).  I like 6 pt simply because throwing spears have more ammo than any other heavy hitter.  Heavy Axes are my favorite though, because they are oddly effective against horse archers.  5 riding instead of 6 because according to tests I just did with Kophka, riding bonus is rather weak, and that is the requirement for the destrier.  7 works well too though, the arabian warhorse is an excellent horse for HT (drop 3 str, take 3 agi and put points from PS and PT into riding).

How much throwing/2h WPF? :)