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Title: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Fartface on September 17, 2011, 11:26:45 pm
stats of them seem wel matched does any of you users have any opinions on it.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Vibe on September 17, 2011, 11:27:03 pm
both OP
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Post by: Fartface on September 17, 2011, 11:30:05 pm
both OP
thats what i wanted to hear.
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Post by: Kryser on September 17, 2011, 11:33:24 pm
Scimmy is pretty gay, it has a "Push" to it and allows for quicker hits
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Fartface on September 17, 2011, 11:43:56 pm
im not asking if the scimitar is heterosexual or gay.
well if i got 2 chose between scimitar,elite scimitar,nordic champ, or knightly arming.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Mtemtko on September 17, 2011, 11:46:30 pm
im not asking if the scimitar is heterosexual or gay.
well if i got 2 chose between scimitar,elite scimitar,nordic champ, or knightly arming.

Military cleaver.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Fartface on September 17, 2011, 11:53:17 pm
ye forgot that one.
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Post by: ThePoopy on September 17, 2011, 11:54:39 pm
hammer for pros
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Post by: Crob28 on September 17, 2011, 11:56:12 pm
I've been a shielder for like 7 gens and use a MW KAS, its good but the scimi is just plain better at the moment, its speed, esp when used with a kite-type shield is just too much, the only reason I havent tried trading my sword in for a scimi is that I'm hoping a nerf will be coming in soon  :?
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Xant on September 18, 2011, 12:01:59 am
What I like about 1h is the range of weapons to choose from. So many viable, different weapons. Unlike 2h where you have two clearly superior choices, that don't really have any practical difference.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Fartface on September 18, 2011, 12:02:29 am
ye i have been shielder to, i know what weps are the best but i wanna know what the community thinks about them.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Xant on September 18, 2011, 12:28:50 am
I've been a shielder for like 7 gens and use a MW KAS, its good but the scimi is just plain better at the moment, its speed, esp when used with a kite-type shield is just too much, the only reason I havent tried trading my sword in for a scimi is that I'm hoping a nerf will be coming in soon  :?

What makes the scimi plain better?
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: slothscott on September 18, 2011, 01:35:09 am
This.

(click to show/hide)

For those that question the validity of this picture its from here http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,9277.msg136623.html#msg136623 posted by Fasadar half way down.

Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Dezilagel on September 18, 2011, 01:38:37 am
Imo, scimitarts should be reworked into cav weps, lower the speed, but increase the damage of them.

The reason so many shielders use them is because of their flunky hitboxes and weird looks...

Srsly?

I know it's not an ideal fix, but borked hitbox should never be a "+" when it comes to picking a wep.
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Post by: NuberT on September 18, 2011, 01:41:53 am
both OP

+1
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Xant on September 18, 2011, 02:09:25 am
This.

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So because it's harder to judge their true reach they are clearly better? OK.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Fartface on September 18, 2011, 02:13:27 am
So because it's harder to judge their true reach they are clearly better? OK.
uhm there just easyer to use, and you know it.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Laufknoten on September 18, 2011, 02:15:08 am
both OP
both ugly
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Post by: polkafranzi on September 18, 2011, 02:22:48 am
ghost reach, ghey order, ruining eu2, all words which come to mind.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Xant on September 18, 2011, 02:27:34 am
uhm there just easyer to use, and you know it.

Reason for them being easier to use? Using blanket words isn't very informative.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Anal Bleeding on September 18, 2011, 03:07:51 am
What I like about 1h is the range of weapons to choose from. So many viable, different weapons. Unlike 2h where you have two clearly superior choices, that don't really have any practical difference.

what are the superior 2h weaps?
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 18, 2011, 03:08:48 am
what are the superior 2h weaps?

Long Bows, Rus Bows, Arbalests, Long Spears.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Kenji on September 18, 2011, 03:11:34 am
both ugly
I concur.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Vicious666 on September 18, 2011, 03:33:46 am
Reason for them being easier to use? Using blanket words isn't very informative.

you a 1hander now and not know basic stuff like that? :wink:
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: BaldRider on September 18, 2011, 03:40:46 am
All this "cry cry cry" scimitar has ghost reach is a load of bullshit.
Sure, the sword registers earlier in the animation due to it being curved, but we're talking less than 20ms here.
There is no "extra" invisible range to the scimitar, it's just a a bunch of dumb players who misunderstood the so called ghost reach.

On topic; I'd use the Elite Scimitar over the normal one due to the damage difference. You need every point of damage you can get as a 1hander, if you are to stand a chance against heavy armor targets.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Xant on September 18, 2011, 03:44:10 am
you a 1hander now and not know basic stuff like that? :wink:

You're at least six months older than the last time you tried to argue with me and still a retard?  :wink:
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: indigocylinder on September 18, 2011, 03:52:43 am
If the invisi-tip is real, they can probably fix it with WSE now, no?
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Post by: dreadnok on September 18, 2011, 06:05:48 am
i been a shielder now for 12 gens. a mw elite scimtar is insane. its only 34 cut but hits like a godamn truck, if you really wanna piss people off go with a warhammer.  :twisted:
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Fartface on September 18, 2011, 11:22:19 am
the looks are what matters the most to me.
and if the swords are bad thats what heirlooms are for.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Dalhi on September 18, 2011, 11:48:10 am
I'd choose elite over regular one, +1 damage and +3 length really matters, scimitar has +1 speed rating but other stats compensate it.

well if i got 2 chose between scimitar,elite scimitar,nordic champ, or knightly arming.

Depends on your playstyle, if you're a feinter then using swords with thrust is risky, sometimes you do the thrust by mistake instead of overhead or left/right swing, unprepared thrust (without let's call it "side thrust" or giving it some speed with movement) in most of the cases ends with you getting hitted after your sword bounced off the target. From my own experience I know that elite scimi is a bitch to block becouse of its model, so it's just another reason to use it over the others.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Lezard on September 18, 2011, 11:56:53 am
I'd choose elite over regular one, +1 damage and +3 length really matters, scimitar has +1 speed rating but other stats compensate it.

Depends on your playstyle, if you're a feinter then using swords with thrust is risky, sometimes you do the thrust by mistake instead of overhead or left/right swing, unprepared thrust (without let's call it "side thrust" or giving it some speed with movement) in most of the cases ends with you getting hitted after your sword bounced off the target. From my own experience I know that elite scimi is a bitch to block becouse of its model, so it's just another reason to use it over the others.

This pretty much sums it up why I used the Elite Scimitar as well. Damage, lenght, no thrust. Model less important though.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Teeth on September 18, 2011, 12:07:59 pm
This game can't deal with curved weapons. It would be a shame to see them go, but I really find them pretty fucked up as of now. I hope they get to fix stuff like this too with WSE.

Close range leftslash is really pretty much an instant hit to the face with both scimitars. The only reason I block it is because they know it's a bitch to block and use it about 3 out of 4 times.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Leshma on September 18, 2011, 01:39:04 pm
Best 1h weapons:

1) MW Military Cleaver - long enough, fast enough, has shit ton of damage, imho a little bit harder to block than straight sword
2) MW Steel Pick - insane damage, eats through armor in seconds, super fast but super short, can be fixed using agi build, if you hide behind huscarl and have agi build you'll be able to do super fast strikes and since weapon model is super small, being super hard to block, means that you'll kill a lot even if your knowledge of melee combat is crap
3) MW Elite Scimitar - long, super fast, not so epic damage, no stab but who cares when every your strike looks exactly the same... therefore super hard to block, called spamitar for a reason, weapon hits before model does
4) MW Warhammer - super short, super high blunt damage, has stab (LOLZ), decently fast and most importantly such small weapon (not so easy to block as straight swords) can knockdown a guy in full plate armor (2xLOLZ)

All in all, straight euro swords are for noobs and for looks.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Vibe on September 18, 2011, 01:42:59 pm
Best 1h weapons:

1) MW Military Cleaver - long enough, fast enough, has shit ton of damage, imho a little bit harder to block than straight sword
2) MW Steel Pick - insane damage, eats through armor in seconds, super fast but super short, can be fixed using agi build, if you hide behind huscarl and have agi build you'll be able to do super fast strikes and since weapon model is super small, being super hard to block, means that you'll kill a lot even if your knowledge of melee combat is crap
3) MW Elite Scimitar - long, super fast, not so epic damage, no stab but who cares when every your strike looks exactly the same... therefore super hard to block, called spamitar for a reason, weapon hits before model does
4) MW Warhammer - super short, super high blunt damage, has stab (LOLZ), decently fast and most importantly such small weapon (not so easy to block as straight swords) can knockdown a guy in full plate armor (2xLOLZ)

All in all, straight euro swords are for noobs and for looks.

Uh, you probably mean the opposite.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Kafein on September 18, 2011, 02:54:58 pm
I think he meant they are for people either more interested in the looks or not experienced enough to know they are worse than spammitars.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Leshma on September 18, 2011, 03:00:34 pm
I think he meant they are for people either more interested in the looks or not experienced enough to know they are worse than spammitars.

Exactly what I meant. Thank you Kafein :)
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Renegat on September 18, 2011, 03:07:02 pm
just don't take the cleaver, too many ppl have it nowadays (when i decided to use it, the only one who used it was ramses).
Also, you should try the warhammer, i'm thinking of using it instead of my cleaver. But it seems nobody wants to trade it for a mw tatar bow ><
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Post by: Herkkutatti on September 18, 2011, 03:11:04 pm
both OP
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: The_Angle on September 18, 2011, 03:21:04 pm
Cleaver just looks ugly.

Maybe if I was a Chaos warrior...
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Kafein on September 18, 2011, 03:27:20 pm
If you are a horseman, take the winged mace for over 9000 style points  8-)

Dirty cheap (4k), faster than straight swords (98) , 27 blunt damage and knockdown, just a little short (70).
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Bryggan on September 18, 2011, 05:35:56 pm
I thought cut damage was nerfed, so I went espada for the pierce damage on the thrust.  But I am quite noob and am concerned about the look.  Still, thrust is nice for when you have ten guys around a tin can and you are concerned about Team Wounding.  Still, if it is really that bad maybe I'll go with my second choice,the warhammer.  Tin cans hate blunt damage.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: rufio on September 18, 2011, 06:09:24 pm
only thing i have to say is that if u have good footwork as a shielder, the left shoulder/head slash is insaneley quick and i dare to say never glances off, whiles the right reach swing , speacially on scimitars is hard to dodge with footwork specially like players as LoR who really know how to move forward into it. so what i do is usually power block and break shield/ faint hit.  in siege situations can get abit messy vs shielders in short range since once again that shoulder swing never glances and ur view might be blocked by a wall in ur back and him facehugging u shit like that. ah well imo only fix will be change the left shoulder animation to not always roffl headshot or lower speed slightly, since i dont think it is possible to make the scimitar curved.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Fartface on September 18, 2011, 06:14:07 pm
I'd choose elite over regular one, +1 damage and +3 length really matters, scimitar has +1 speed rating but other stats compensate it.

Depends on your playstyle, if you're a feinter then using swords with thrust is risky, sometimes you do the thrust by mistake instead of overhead or left/right swing, unprepared thrust (without let's call it "side thrust" or giving it some speed with movement) in most of the cases ends with you getting hitted after your sword bounced off the target. From my own experience I know that elite scimi is a bitch to block becouse of its model, so it's just another reason to use it over the others.
i feint alot but i use the thrust since it works very well with feinting, and i prefer  blocking with the straight swords.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Xant on September 18, 2011, 06:15:03 pm
Depends on your playstyle, if you're a feinter then using swords with thrust is risky, sometimes you do the thrust by mistake instead of overhead or left/right swing

Exactly. My reason for picking the elite scimitar.  :D

Also Teeth, the left slash is no more instant than any other fast 1h. The "real" model is straight, not curved to the right.. so it doesn't hit before, it hits at the same time as the straight swords.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Fartface on September 18, 2011, 06:18:18 pm
been there.
but there are great weapons that i hardly see people use i dont get it.
winged mace.
iberian mace.
grosser messer.
langes messer.
warhammer.
military hammer.
etc etc.
why not that many people use it.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Dalhi on September 18, 2011, 06:25:47 pm
i feint alot but i use the thrust since it works very well with feinting, and i prefer  blocking with the straight swords.

Try Knigthly Arming Sword then, 1 less swing then NCS but it has +3 more thrust damage with same speed/length.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Laufknoten on September 18, 2011, 10:37:23 pm
Best 1h weapons:

1) MW Military Cleaver - long enough, fast enough, has shit ton of damage, imho a little bit harder to block than straight sword
2) MW Steel Pick - insane damage, eats through armor in seconds, super fast but super short, can be fixed using agi build, if you hide behind huscarl and have agi build you'll be able to do super fast strikes and since weapon model is super small, being super hard to block, means that you'll kill a lot even if your knowledge of melee combat is crap
3) MW Elite Scimitar - long, super fast, not so epic damage, no stab but who cares when every your strike looks exactly the same... therefore super hard to block, called spamitar for a reason, weapon hits before model does
4) MW Warhammer - super short, super high blunt damage, has stab (LOLZ), decently fast and most importantly such small weapon (not so easy to block as straight swords) can knockdown a guy in full plate armor (2xLOLZ)
MW Steel Pick is definitely the nr. 1. Facehugging-madness, difficult to block and almost no glances. You can also sneak behind shields and blocks. I pick it up sometimes on sieges, but I'm too classy to consider it as a starting weapon.  :mrgreen:

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All in all, straight euro swords are for noobs and for looks.
Oh, and f**k you.  :D
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Oberyn on September 18, 2011, 10:59:48 pm
I'm a fan of Iberian mace.
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Post by: Varyag on September 18, 2011, 11:00:44 pm
i'm a fan of arbalest. 1handers are dead.
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Post by: ShinySpoons on September 18, 2011, 11:01:39 pm
I enjoy using the Grosse Messer but that is largely for looks.

One sword which I find even more borked than the scimi's is the scottish sword. Its short and low damage but it's 103 speed and it's model is about 1 pixel wide. The scimi's will hit you before you expect them to but at least you can SEE them.

Fun if you're rolling an agi build.
Title: Re: tought about the scimitar vs elite scimitar.
Post by: Xant on September 18, 2011, 11:33:19 pm
i'm a fan of arbalest. 1handers are dead.

Maybe if you don't know how to play as an 1hander :S