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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Dreakon_The_Destroyer on January 25, 2011, 06:46:15 pm
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I think there should be a reward put back into this game for kills and also for guys surviving rounds. This is a RPG mod. You can't gain exp in most other games just standing or running around. This game is about kills, survival and having fun :).
Just add a small bonus so Gen10 guys and girls arent making masses more exp.
Hell dont even reward gold JUST exp so this doesnt interfere with equiptment upkeep.
50 exp a kill? maybe 100? maybe 250 for surviving the round.
Reward the winners
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Simply put, no.
Rewarding kills is not going to make any good, people would just go all frag hunting, killing friends in the process, not caring about protecting others, help them, just kill...that would not be cool, i like how now tactics gets to place, with rewarding killing this would be killed again.
I feel almost as good when i serve a horseman by killing horse to other people to kill him than i like killing. Why should not i be rewarded for warning my friend and saving his life, killing horse or something?
Nah, just let it be as it is...
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I was just 'bout to say instant yes but being really smart I read Cepeshi's post.
That hillbilly is right. I want tactics and stategy (and roofcamping)! :)
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Simply put, no.
Rewarding kills is not going to make any good, people would just go all frag hunting, killing friends in the process, not caring about protecting others, help them, just kill...that would not be cool, i like how now tactics gets to place, with rewarding killing this would be killed again.
I feel almost as good when i serve a horseman by killing horse to other people to kill him than i like killing. Why should not i be rewarded for warning my friend and saving his life, killing horse or something?
Nah, just let it be as it is...
THIS.
There is already an incentive to get kills and help your team, and already hardly anyone actually tries to help their team mates by being a team player (covering friends, following the group) you think adding more rewards will give them incentive? Hell no, majority of people playing this game think its Call Of Duty where you run in and kill the whole enemy team by yourself and if you can't do that then you lose.
There is already an incentive to get kills and help your team win, it's called the multiplier.
ALSO
How it is now
WHEN AN ALLY COMES TO MY AID AND KILLS THE OPPONENT I WAS FIGHTING: "Thanks man ! alright I'll follow you now where we heading"
How it would be with KILLS= XP/GOLD
ALLY COMES TO MY AID AND KILLS THE OPPONENT I WAS FIGHTING: "OMFG KILL STEALER YOU ****ING NOOB GET YOUR OWN KILLS" *Memento_Mori has killed a team mate !*
Adding more incentive to get kills will not promote team work.
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Bullshit cepeshi. Us 5th gen chars deserve our skill bonuses. I help my team and usually don't kill enemy peasants(to easy) and rarely rl. On siege I usually average 5:1 kill to death ratio and in normal games im usually 3:1 I want my bonuses for being good. Im not asking for much. Like 10-20 per kill. Or maybe a bonus for the total survivors of a team where whole team makes cash (only for winners)Eg. 6 survivors, everyone gets 100 gold or something. Thanks all.
JOIN LL
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Bullshit cepeshi. Us 5th gen chars deserve our skill bonuses. I help my team and usually don't kill enemy peasants(to easy) and rarely rl. On siege I usually average 5:1 kill to death ratio and in normal games im usually 3:1 I want my bonuses for being good. Im not asking for much. Like 10-20 per kill. Or maybe a bonus for the total survivors of a team where whole team makes cash (only for winners)Eg. 6 survivors, everyone gets 100 gold or something. Thanks all.
JOIN LL
But what Cepeshi and Memento_Mori are saying is that having a good kill to death ratio doesn't necessarily mean you're good and deserve extra rewards.
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Us 5th generations? Who are you to speak for such a big group of players man? Get real. I am gen 4 and i do not mind not being rewarded for kills, i am more of a teamplayer, and on some maps i got quite sweet K:D also, but i do not boast about it, anything to make my team win :P
Rewarding kills would kill teamplay, now when i am fighting someone, and my friend helps me, i am glad usually, as i get enough opportunities to score kills in other situations. Other time I will be the one to save someone being bashed upon and i bet he would not mind if i save him.
Its just good as it is now, i see some people joining me and my friends on our ambush trips, during which we sometimes take down half the enemy team together, and that is fun, i do not care who got the kills as long as i get to win.
And imagine this, you pick your gear, spawn just to be instakilled by enemy cavalry hunting AFK players, i bet you would not like the fact you got your chance to get some sweeet bonuses taken away.
And, you ask for skill bonuses? Cmon, any char gen 1 in hands of skilled player could kill you no matter what, so...(not saying i am skilled, no way, but this is how it is, its the player, not the char...)
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Bullshit cepeshi. Us 5th gen chars deserve our skill bonuses. I help my team and usually don't kill enemy peasants(to easy) and rarely rl. On siege I usually average 5:1 kill to death ratio and in normal games im usually 3:1 I want my bonuses for being good. Im not asking for much. Like 10-20 per kill. Or maybe a bonus for the total survivors of a team where whole team makes cash (only for winners)Eg. 6 survivors, everyone gets 100 gold or something. Thanks all.
JOIN LL
Lol and if they add this bonus I can't wait to hear how mad you get when people are 'stealing' your kills and your gold + xp bonus :P
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Yeah Memento, we could get a threat: PENALIZE KILLSTEALING OMG!!
:)
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Yeah Memento, we could get a threat: PENALIZE KILLSTEALING OMG!!
:)
I'm sure angry mods would ban for stealing their kills. I can see it happening.
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But what Cepeshi and Memento_Mori are saying is that having a good kill to death ratio doesn't necessarily mean you're good and deserve extra rewards.
Exactly, how hard is it to score the last hit on a guy? or run up and back stab 10 guys in a row who were unaware they were being flanked, this imo is not skill & does not need to be rewarded more than it already is. On Sieges I can sometimes go 40 kills and 10 deaths, this DOES NOT MEAN I'M A SUPER GOD THAT DESERVES REWARDS AND XP AND GOLD, it means I have a wicked team that doesn't mind me coming in and finishing off the weakened opponents they have been fighting hard to keep back. Then me and my wicked team win, and we get a multiplier (reward) for doing so, just because I'm at the top of the score boards doesn't mean it's me winning the round for our team it's a team game, it's combined efforts and it's not fair if the guy going around getting the last hit on everyone gets rewarded more than the 1h shielder thats been defending the flag from ninjas the whole time & only has 13 kills whilst the guy was outside the walls spamming for his 60th kill, not even conscious of the fact that if one enemy kills that shielder and sits on the flag for 30 seconds he loses.
again just my opinion, some people may think that K/D is everything but then there's the team players who think it means Kraft Dinner & are happy to be of help tanking/dying/keeping aggro whilst the COD nuts go around trying to kill the entire enemy team by themselves.
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ok first off not to be rude, your english is horrible but heres my response...
frag hunting is ALREADY going on and those players usually are killed off anyways, thus losing a survival bonus and these guys arent giving two shits about teamwork in the first place.
killing friends punishes you. this would also solve the TK debate by subtracting exp from teamkillers. unless you meant its my job to protect others??? why is it my job to protect and serve other teammates? yes thats ok if your a tank or defensive build.
you think a guy that kills off half a team isnt a team player? i think he shud be rewarded
NOT 5000 exp a kill. just a small bonus so we can all meet in between.
Like i said add a small bonus.
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you think a guy that kills off half a team isnt a team player? i think he shud be rewarded
I like how you think that guy kills half of the team by himself? Never seen it done, not even by Goretooth in his crazy heirloomed armor.
Mostly because auto balance isn't terrible enough to put 1v79, though I do have a screen shot of a siege where the teams were 3v73.. The 3 people lost though.
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your not understanding...this is a RPG mod. not everyone is in a clan and team work is encouranged but not a MUST cepeshi.
i appreciate teamwork and use it to win myself. but rewards for kills in a RPG is just how its got to be.
if you dont like exp or bonuses for kills the i reccomend you go and play NATIVE.
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your not understanding...this is a RPG mod. not everyone is in a clan and team work is encouranged but not a MUST cepeshi.
i appreciate teamwork and use it to win myself. but rewards for kills in a RPG is just how its got to be.
if you dont like exp or bonuses for kills the i reccomend you go and play NATIVE.
Sir, I don't think YOU UNDERSTAND. There is no reward for kills atm, so maybe ... You should take your own advice?
Also you don't understand that even the BEST player in this game cannot kill 30 people by themselves, they NEED their team, even if just to distract them and have them split apart.
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your talking about last hit kills and killstealers? thats a WHOLE different subject.
Start a thread about assisted kills or something like that. "kill stealers" are part of everyyyyyyyy game. dont whine about that shit here. its off topic
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your talking about last hit kills and killstealers? thats a WHOLE different subject.
Start a thread about assisted kills or something like that. "kill stealers" are part of everyyyyyyyy game. dont whine about that shit here. its off topic
I suggest you thoroughly re-read what I have posted before continuing because you are not following what I have previously stated, if you had read it properly you would understand that I'm not talking about that at all, we're talking about A BONUS for A KILL, I'm saying KILLS should not be rewarded because it doesn't take much SKILL to land the last hit on a guy, or to flank 10 guys and kill them all, in fact it's very easy for most damage dealing classes. So please, re-read and THEN post, maybe if you give me a logical response I can give you one back.
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maybe you are to new or dont remember that there WAS a reward for kills 3 patches ago...
again this is an RPG not NATIVE you should be rewarded for kills. i never said remove the multiplier. just a small bonus per kill.
MAYBE you cant read. i didnt say anyone can or will kill 30 people. but if he kills 15/30 hes not a team player and furthermore shouldnt even be rewarded? thats just dumb.
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maybe you need to read my initial post. i did not say anything about killstealers or flanking 10 men(which is a very good tactic anyway) or low skill whatever you call them.
my post and this thread about a small reward for kills and surviving.
yes or no NOT crying or debating about KSers
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May be you're the one to be new, cos this has been discuted a lot in old forum, also you would have understand that this is not in the spirit and view of the game of the dev team.
Teamwork is the word, and Memento sum it up very well.
Edit: also you can use edit function to avoid double post.
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maybe you are to new or dont remember that there WAS a reward for kills 3 patches ago...
again this is an RPG not NATIVE you should be rewarded for kills. i never said remove the multiplier. just a small bonus per kill.
MAYBE you cant read. i didnt say anyone can or will kill 30 people. but if he kills 15/30 hes not a team player and furthermore shouldnt even be rewarded? thats just dumb.
Yes, now let me help you out here, the key word you used in your first sentence is "WAS" that is past tense, meaning it is NO LONGER LIKE THAT. Most people live in present time but you seem to live in the past?
This is an RPG and you are rewarded for kills INDIRECTLY if your team kills enough that you WIN thusly raising the MULTIPLIER, THAT IS YOUR REWARD FOR KILLING.
If he kills 15/30 or 100 and his team loses, WHY SHOULD HE BE REWARDED, HE LOST.
IF he kills 15/30 or 100 and his team WINS, then of course he should be rewarded and HE IS REWARDED with a +1 on the MULTIPLIER.
So, what exactly are you arguing for? In my eyes, there is a reward for kills if you don't see that then well there's nothing I can do to help you see that. As I said before, some people see K/D and think Kill Death Ratio, others well they think "Kraft Dinner"
I can tell you're all about K/DR and you clearly think having more KILLS means more SKILLS, I'm just trying to point out that is not always true.
Not once have I even brought up 'whine about Kill Stealers'
I have no problem with 'Kill stealers'
Infact I know them as 'Friends'
Or 'Team mates' and not 'kill stealers' as you seem to see them as.
If I'm fighting a guy and I back him up into my team mate who then kills him thats a +1 for me and him in my books (just a +1 for him though on the scoreboard, but that means little to me.)
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memento?
i never double posted either...im not sure what you may be looking at. and why would it show kills and deaths if they dont matter to you guys at all i wonder...?
and about the KSing or last hitters sillyness.
is it not teamwork if i chopped a guy down 1/4 health and a teammate jumps in to finish him? im NEVER mad when that happens, in fact im happy and relieved a buddy came to my aid!
im not the one complaining at alllll about killstealing. just a response the the other complainers
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I would love to see some rewards for skill based play instead of just teamplay. However as memento (and others before him) have pointed out, kills does not equal skills. Skill based rewards simply won't work because there are too many variables to skill. The solution is easy, give us back gold and xp on the duel server! Just make it so you only get it when you kill a player that is around your level or higher!
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EXACTLY now your starting to understand my post :clap clap clap:
im saying it should be readded to the game.
and if a guy kills half a team and still loses YES he should still be rewarded a BIG FUCK YES. at least he contributed to the team!
so you think the losing team deserves nothing? why even give them a x1 multiplier?? why even give them anything because they lost is your logic.
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i never double posted either...im not sure what you may be looking at. and why would it show kills and deaths if they dont matter to you guys at all i wonder...?
is it not teamwork if i chopped a guy down 1/4 health and a teammate jumps in to finish him? im NEVER mad when that happens, in fact im happy and relieved a buddy came to my aid!
im not the one complaining at alllll about killstealing. just a response the the other complainers
You did double post.
Memento didn't choose to have a scoreboard; he has no control over that.
I would say by calling someone a "kill stealer" you are complaining about kill "stealing". Call it fucking "kill-ing."
Everything you have said in this thread disrupts the flow of natural living.
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and if a guy kills half a team and still loses YES he should still be rewarded a BIG FUCK YES. at least he contributed to the team!
First of all: LOL on you man, lol on you, how is he any different that that guy, that was keeping 2hers off bay by shooting on them, the guy that killed 5 horses, but never had the chance to finish the horseman, those guys that lead enemies to friends so they can kill them.
I kite enemies to my friends if i can, instead of trying to break their shield, better to lure them somewhere some teammate might jump their back! Do you think i should not be rewarded for distracting group of people to attack me letting our cav hit them unaware?
Yes, there has been reward system in place, i have not played back then, but guess what? It has been removed FOR A REASON.
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you can lol all you want. he is different because he killed the guy. this isnt CoD were you get points for assists ( Hell maybe exp for kills AND assists should be added? ) either way he didnt finish the job, a dehorsed HA or pikeman can still run around and kill people, shooting a guy till half health didnt finish him. these guys can still walk around and kill your team...you are an ASSIST class
get to know the build before you argue for exp and "assisted" kills. maybe you should start a thread or your own poll for that instead of trying to argue with mine.
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you know what. assisted kills shud be added too! it makes good sense. i think helping a kill deserves exp as well as the killing blow.
like i was saying before both guys get a small amount of exp.
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As i said before, it has been there before, but REMOVED, i guess cause the devs didnt wanted it in. Capisi?
And now go, make YET ANOTHER threat about rewarding XP for ANYTHING, go ahead, i am waiting, what is it going to be next? I want BONUS XP for spawning with weapon! I do not like naked unarmed guys getting same XP as me!?
seriously again:
he is different because he killed the guy. this isnt CoD were you get points for assists ( Hell maybe exp for kills AND assists should be added? ) either way he didnt finish the job, a dehorsed HA or pikeman can still run around and kill people, shooting a guy till half health didnt finish him. these guys can still walk around and kill your team...you are an ASSIST class
yeah cause i am not stupid enough to rush into 5 of my teammembers to be killed when they try to rape the guy i dehorsed, and no worries, if i dehorse him and i am the only in range, i go after him of course, so do not make assumptions about my playstyle, when we have not played together.
About refference to CoD, that is why you started threat of assisted kills and blows? You want to make this more like CoD???
get to know the build before you argue for exp and "assisted" kills.
sorry, but what the hell are you talking here about? What does any build have to do with anything in this duscussion? I play 2her, so yeah, i can kill a lot by my own, but hey, i still preffer to have less kills and win, than to dominate scoreboard and keep losing.
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this thread/poll is old and dead. please refer to my new one. thanks