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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Nebun on September 05, 2011, 11:19:08 pm

Title: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Nebun on September 05, 2011, 11:19:08 pm
White Company is now hired by Druzhina for the duration of war to fight on their side!
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Zanthos on September 05, 2011, 11:43:14 pm
On behalf of White Company I can verify this statement as true and look forward to executing our end of the contract.

*09.06.11 - The details of the contract between White Company and Druzhina have been amended.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 05, 2011, 11:46:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Matey on September 05, 2011, 11:58:29 pm
On behalf of White Company I can verify this statement as true and look forward to executing our end of the contract.

woulda been nice if you followed through with the contract we made :P
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Keshian on September 06, 2011, 12:01:41 am
Good way to start - dishonor first merc contract and sign up on opposite side.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 12:12:20 am
Good way to start - dishonor first merc contract and sign up on opposite side.



Option's Contract

A financial derivative that represents a contract sold by one party (option writer) to another party (option holder). The contract offers the buyer the right, but not the obligation, to buy (call) or sell (put) a security or other financial asset at an agreed-upon price (the strike price) during a certain period of time or on a specific date (exercise date).

You should become more versed on what an options contract is before you gratuitously impugn someone's character.


Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Matey on September 06, 2011, 12:14:35 am
 :rolleyes: you guys can play however you choose. but mercs who break contracts are unlikely to get many contracts.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Greziz on September 06, 2011, 12:16:03 am
That is some good legalese that made absolutely no sense to me. You should post in simpler words. I am not entirely sure what you said means.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Kalam on September 06, 2011, 12:16:59 am
:rolleyes: you guys can play however you choose. but mercs who break contracts are unlikely to get many contracts.

Not true. It's true mercenary role-play. Clearly, they were offered more.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Matey on September 06, 2011, 12:19:40 am
i dunno, Wolves are mercs who wont break a contract regardless of what anyone else might offer em. I think the Mercenaries are the same kinds of guys.. if they take money to do something, they will do it.
anyways, have fun WCo.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Greziz on September 06, 2011, 12:21:33 am
Yeah true that the Mercs really are ship shape deal makers. And those wolves guys will go to the gates of hell on their deal.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 12:29:23 am
Money money money moneyyyy MONEHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Gorath on September 06, 2011, 12:32:05 am
Not true. It's true mercenary role-play. Clearly, they were offered more.

^
This.
It fits with how mercenary companies worked throughout history too.  +1 to their RPmanship.

"Capitalism:  FUCK YEAH!"
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Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Gristle on September 06, 2011, 12:33:33 am
I would hope they were offered something a little more useful than gold or gear...
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Flawless on September 06, 2011, 12:33:50 am
money is useless right now due to the impending wipe, they must have offered land.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 12:35:27 am
In all seriousness what is this "honour" people speak of?

— n
1.   personal integrity; allegiance to moral principles

What?

Our principles is money. Acquire lots and lots of money.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Matey on September 06, 2011, 12:35:38 am
money is useless right now due to the impending wipe, they must have offered land.

but whos land? :P
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 06, 2011, 12:45:01 am
money is useless right now due to the impending wipe, they must have offered land.

EU   Siege   Mon, 20:01    The White Company    Druzhina
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Flawless on September 06, 2011, 12:54:09 am
would the drz give up 9 k troops. not likely. The better chance is the White Company is retreating in exchange for future conquests.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 12:56:26 am
Stop speaking lies about our motives you savage.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Nebun on September 06, 2011, 01:17:35 am
FCC is very good at trolling
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Flawless on September 06, 2011, 01:21:55 am
im Cavalieres, get it right ;)
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 01:26:23 am
It's fine if they want to guess why we did it. But its pretty simple. I've said it twice. MONEYYYYYY

 























 8-)
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Flawless on September 06, 2011, 01:26:59 am
MONEY MONEY MONEY LETS ALL GET (fill in the blank)
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 01:28:35 am
MONEY MONEY MONEY LETS ALL GET (fill in the blank Hookers)
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 01:31:38 am
i dunno, Wolves are mercs who wont break a contract regardless of what anyone else might offer em. I think the Mercenaries are the same kinds of guys.. if they take money to do something, they will do it.
anyways, have fun WCo.

Ironic isn't. If WCo would have followed your logic they would have been offered and accepted one contract at a lower price instead of being offered two contracts at a higher price. You might have thought that the first contract entailed some form of indentured servitude, but it did not has you can plainly see.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Adoptagoat on September 06, 2011, 01:32:57 am
"After I bought and paid for you. I should have uglied you up so nobody else would want you"
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 01:33:30 am
That is some good legalese that made absolutely no sense to me. You should post in simpler words. I am not entirely sure what you said means.

Well till you become versed on the issue may I suggest that you try the search engine called Google.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Malaclypse on September 06, 2011, 01:35:36 am
im Cavalieres, get it right ;)

You're FCC too though! Just not BRD.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Flawless on September 06, 2011, 01:38:26 am
malaclypse, when are you joining LLJK?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 01:42:06 am
i dunno, Wolves are mercs who wont break a contract regardless of what anyone else might offer em. I think the Mercenaries are the same kinds of guys.. if they take money to do something, they will do it.
anyways, have fun WCo.

These are unfounded and malicious allegations. WCo has fulfilled all of its contracts. I find it ironic that the same person who readily admits ignorance as to what an option contract is, shows no restraint in accusing an innocent party of not fulfilling it.

Again a contract does not entail indentured servitude.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Matey on September 06, 2011, 01:43:05 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W25_jgiY51I&feature=related
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 01:47:34 am
would the drz give up 9 k troops. not likely. The better chance is the White Company is retreating in exchange for future conquests.

Two things you should know about the White Company: it fulfills all of its contracts, and it does not retreat. If you detest economic freedom, fine, but please stop questioning the motives of its practitioners. I mean this is so so pre-Soviet collapse.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Gorath on September 06, 2011, 01:49:22 am
ITT:  Contracts/business deals.  How do they work?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 01:51:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W25_jgiY51I&feature=related

Wrong. Its more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAmgTNATJkk

So please do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 06, 2011, 01:53:36 am
Firmitas, what is that avatar a picture from?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 01:59:47 am
"After I bought and paid for you. I should have uglied you up so nobody else would want you"

I wonder what message this sends to those that would consider entering into an honored contract with you.

As Cicero once said, "Nervi bellorum pecuniae." Money is the sinews of war.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 06, 2011, 02:02:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W25_jgiY51I&feature=related
+1 sir.....well played sir... +1
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 02:04:41 am
Firmitas, what is that avatar a picture from?

HBO Rome Season II, penultimate episode. A somewhat sober Marc Antony negotiates about lands and money while his hands are around beautiful Cleopatra. This is how I like to conduct business.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 06, 2011, 02:07:28 am
^
This.
It fits with how mercenary companies worked throughout history too.  +1 to their RPmanship.

"Capitalism:  FUCK YEAH!"
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Also, Gorath I still love you. (no homo)
That is all.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Classical on September 06, 2011, 02:24:29 am
Guess I can scratch you guys off our list.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Gorath on September 06, 2011, 02:28:38 am
butts
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 02:39:13 am
Guess I can scratch you guys off our list.

What list? You got a list and were not on it? Awwweeeee fuck  :cry:
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Duster on September 06, 2011, 02:47:01 am
Guess I can scratch you guys off our list.

Where does CATS come in on that list
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Voso on September 06, 2011, 02:47:51 am
I wonder what message this sends to those that would consider entering into an honored contract with you.

As Cicero once said, "Nervi bellorum pecuniae." Money is the sinews of war.

These are unfounded and malicious allegations. WCo has fulfilled all of its contracts. I find it ironic that the same person who readily admits ignorance as to what an option contract is, shows no restraint in accusing an innocent party of not fulfilling it.

Again a contract does not entail indentured servitude.

Man, you are way too serious. Just be a bit more like SeQuel, I like his style haha. Most people are half joking and you quoted just about everyone with some formal lawyer-style response. :p
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 06, 2011, 02:50:02 am
Man, you are way too serious. Just be a bit more like SeQuel, I like his style haha. Most people are half joking and you quoted just about everyone with some formal lawyer-style response. :p
+1 Voso The reprimands will be handed down now  8-)
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Voso on September 06, 2011, 02:54:09 am
+1 Voso The reprimands will be handed down now  8-)

Justice, sweet justice.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 03:11:36 am
Man, you are way too serious. Just be a bit more like SeQuel, I like his style haha. Most people are half joking and you quoted just about everyone with some formal lawyer-style response. :p

I wasn't being serious. Its just a game. Please Google irony. If this doesn't help, I promise to end my sentences with a smiley face. This should give you a clue as to my intent.  :P
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Kafein on September 06, 2011, 03:14:39 am
I wasn't being serious. Its just a game. Please Google irony. If this doesn't help, I promise to end my sentences with a smiley face. This should give you a clue as to my intent.  :P

Nobody will ever understand anything of what you said without a smiley at the end on the internetz. Or the absence of one when you think what you type.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Malaclypse on September 06, 2011, 03:15:17 am
record

Move to strike Voso's response from the record
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 06, 2011, 03:15:57 am
Nobody will ever understand anything of what you said without a smiley at the end on the internetz. Or the absence of one when you think what you type.

What?  :|
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Chestaclese on September 06, 2011, 03:18:14 am
Guess I can scratch you guys off our list.

I'm gonna add you to our list. You're nine bags of awesome.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 03:18:20 am
Justice, sweet justice.

Dude you just got me demoted.  :lol: If I offended you I am sorry.  :lol: I hope you realize that I hold in high regard.   :lol:
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Kafein on September 06, 2011, 03:21:11 am
What?  :|

If you read my second sentence it explains why I didn't placed any smiley at the end.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 03:22:10 am
Dude you just got me demoted.  :lol: If I offended you I am sorry.  :lol: I hope you realize that I hold in high regard.   :lol:

It's impossible to get demoted if there are no ranks  :wink:

STOP DERAILING THE THREAD YOUR BASTARDS THIS IS ABOUT WCO MAKING MONEY
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Voso on September 06, 2011, 03:24:03 am
Dude you just got me demoted.  :lol: If I offended you I am sorry.  :lol: I hope you realize that I hold in high regard.   :lol:

You didn't offend me, I was just pointing something out haha. If your higher-ups demoted you its likely because they felt you didn't represent the clan in the way they wanted to be represented, not just because I said you were too serious but because they agreed.  8-)

Or they had completely different reasons, what do I know? I'm just guessing.

It's impossible to get demoted if there are no ranks  :wink:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14549.0.html

The roster shows ranks?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 06, 2011, 03:24:39 am
It's impossible to get demoted if there are no ranks  :wink:

STOP DERAILING THE THREAD YOUR BASTARDS THIS IS ABOUT WCO MAKING MONEY
I WANT TO HIRE THE WCO HOW DO I DO THIS WHO DO I SPEAK TO?! After the reset I have a small contract that I would like 600 of your men/women to do assuming you get yourselves some nice armour and swords!

Bleh...

Sex.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Kafein on September 06, 2011, 03:25:16 am
This thread reminds me of epicness (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWwhIjYBan0&feature=related")
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 03:26:38 am
I WANT TO HIRE THE WCO HOW DO I DO THIS WHO DO I SPEAK TO?! After the reset I have a small contract that I would like 600 of your men/women to do assuming you get yourselves some nice armour and swords!

Bleh...

Sex.

You want a 600 man/women orgy? I'm so confused.


http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14549.0.html

The roster shows ranks?

It's under construction, there for there are currently no ranks, nor is he currently placed in a rank.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Gorath on September 06, 2011, 03:29:03 am
you quoted just about everyone with some formal lawyer-style response. :p

I believe that's called "RP".
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Kafein on September 06, 2011, 03:30:50 am
This thread has derailed so much we might eventually cath another railroad.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 03:32:14 am
You didn't offend me, I was just pointing something out haha. If your higher-ups demoted you its likely because they felt you didn't represent the clan in the way they wanted to be represented, not just because I said you were too serious but because they agreed.  8-)

Or they had completely different reasons, what do I know? I'm just guessing.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14549.0.html

The roster shows ranks?

Voso do you work for the state government?  :lol:
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 06, 2011, 03:33:01 am
You want a 600 man/women orgy? I'm so confused.

No, I want a 600 person.. uh.. adventuring party to start a party somewhere... specific...

If I wanted a 600 person orgy it would not include women.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 03:33:46 am
This thread has derailed so much we might eventually cath another railroad.

I SAID GET BACK ON THE TOPIC OF THREAD which is WCO making money.

Continue.

I'm so rich.

No, I want a 600 person.. uh.. adventuring party to start a party somewhere... specific...

If I wanted a 600 person orgy it would not include women.

I like your style.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Voso on September 06, 2011, 03:39:56 am
Voso do you work for the state government?  :lol:

State government? I am above that.

I am actually Barack Obama, you caught me.

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Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 03:42:15 am
State government? I am above that.

I am actually Barack Obama, you caught me.

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Wanna make a sex tape so I can sell it for some $ and buy looms?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: dynamike on September 06, 2011, 03:42:45 am
What does WCO charge for let's say... 150 pages of spam on the Chaos thread?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 06, 2011, 03:52:05 am
State government? I am above that.

I am actually Barack Obama, you caught me.

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See now we are on the same page....Honestly, Voso I was joking..,I really meant no offense.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 03:58:56 am
What does WCO charge for let's say... 150 pages of spam on the Chaos thread?

I'm good at that. Offer?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Thucydides on September 06, 2011, 04:18:36 am
You know that in real life, merc companies made sure that both sides of the war never truely established supremacy, so they would always hop back and forth on different sides to ensure a stalemate. Thats what happened to Italy pre-Italian wars, never rely on goddamn mercs.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Braeden on September 06, 2011, 05:06:44 am
"After I bought and paid for you. I should have uglied you up so nobody else would want you"

See how I'm not punching you now?  I think I've grown.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Cicero on September 06, 2011, 05:09:40 am
I wonder what message this sends to those that would consider entering into an honored contract with you.

As Cicero once said, "Nervi bellorum pecuniae." Money is the sinews of war.
i didnt say something like that actually =)
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Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: dynamike on September 06, 2011, 05:39:01 am
I'm good at that. Offer?

Let's see... what we cannot offer right now:

- Ale/Wine/Beer since sWalker and his FCC drunkards are busy plundering all our taverns
- Taking naps with us (people say we are not good at those for some reason...)
- Dog and pony shows. We are fresh out of ponies  :(

What we can offer:

- Cheeky comments on your posts and a guaranteed derailing of whatever you just wrote - and who doesn't like that?
- CANARY CLAN SPAMMER SPAM medal of honor (founded by the legendary SPAMTACUS)
- Authentic Russian vodka - we got a good hookup at the moment

Deal?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Voso on September 06, 2011, 06:37:18 am
See now we are on the same page....Honestly, Voso I was joking..,I really meant no offense.

No offense taken, its all love and laughs in war.  :P
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Darkkarma on September 06, 2011, 10:05:31 am
Where does CATS come in on that list

Is CATS a serious spinoff clan? I can't even tell with all of these ATS rebellions and joke clans anymore.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 06, 2011, 03:28:27 pm
Let's see... what we cannot offer right now:

- Ale/Wine/Beer since sWalker and his FCC drunkards are busy plundering all our taverns
- Taking naps with us (people say we are not good at those for some reason...)
- Dog and pony shows. We are fresh out of ponies  :(

What we can offer:

- Cheeky comments on your posts and a guaranteed derailing of whatever you just wrote - and who doesn't like that?
- CANARY CLAN SPAMMER SPAM medal of honor (founded by the legendary SPAMTACUS)
- Authentic Russian vodka - we got a good hookup at the moment

Deal?

We already have authentic Vokda mate...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: bruttus on September 06, 2011, 06:15:59 pm
well, what a suprise
so thats a merc clan, that doesnt deserve to beiing hired again
when they attack a village, with 6k troops, and in that village, there where 2300 troops and suddenly drz reinforced it with 6k extra troops, they just quit and breaking contracts
well, what a bunch of crap
the most mercs would have to fight until 1 of the parties are winning, and then switching side to the winning partys or retreating of the losing party, thats roleplay mercenary
this war between fcc and drz isnt over and atm its were equally

well, forget the promises of drz if they offer you land, becouse when fcc is kickt out, its youre turn to moving away from there lands
just like the other clans, they suddenly all forgot how drz was taking there lands also, so that means, allot of big talk at the forums, but in reallity they are just scared like litle girls, hmmm maybe you just make a new name for wco, the litle girls
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Braeden on September 06, 2011, 06:31:47 pm
To be fair, I'd stop working for someone if the gold they paid me magically disappeared.

Dang magician cheaters.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Keshian on September 06, 2011, 06:35:57 pm
To be fair, I'd stop working for someone if the gold they paid me magically disappeared.

Dang magician cheaters.


Hey, hey, hey... but the love never goes away.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 07:22:32 pm

Hey, hey, hey... but the love never goes away.

I agree, just because war is between us I will always love you.

well, what a suprise
so thats a merc clan, that doesnt deserve to beiing hired again
when they attack a village, with 6k troops, and in that village, there where 2300 troops and suddenly drz reinforced it with 6k extra troops, they just quit and breaking contracts
well, what a bunch of crap
the most mercs would have to fight until 1 of the parties are winning, and then switching side to the winning partys or retreating of the losing party, thats roleplay mercenary
this war between fcc and drz isnt over and atm its were equally

well, forget the promises of drz if they offer you land, becouse when fcc is kickt out, its youre turn to moving away from there lands
just like the other clans, they suddenly all forgot how drz was taking there lands also, so that means, allot of big talk at the forums, but in reallity they are just scared like litle girls, hmmm maybe you just make a new name for wco, the litle girls


We were hired? Oh you mean that money thats disappearing in half a day? Yah about that.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 06, 2011, 07:24:01 pm
I knew it all along, those thrice-damned DRZ are leprechauns! THIS IS PROOF!
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 06, 2011, 07:40:48 pm
I knew it all along, those thrice-damned DRZ are leprechauns! THIS IS PROOF!
They offered us Lucky Charms....we had no real choice in the matter. (Also we were lead to assume as leprechauns they had Jameson Irish Whiskey...need i say more.)
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Greziz on September 06, 2011, 07:42:40 pm
I don't know what we payed you mercs with but to be fair when we hired you we knew nothing about an impending wipe. So we can't really be blamed for that circumstance.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 06, 2011, 07:45:10 pm
I don't know what we payed you mercs with but to be fair when we hired you we knew nothing about an impending wipe. So we can't really be blamed for that circumstance.
No blame is being cast....its simple economics sir...simple economics.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 07:46:04 pm
I don't know what we payed you mercs with but to be fair when we hired you we knew nothing about an impending wipe. So we can't really be blamed for that circumstance.

Oh we not blaming you one bit. I don't see how we could. We still love you if that's what your worried about.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Aseldo on September 06, 2011, 07:59:53 pm
No blame is being cast....its simple economics sir...simple economics.

Yes there is economics in play here, your stock just fell
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 06, 2011, 08:02:47 pm
Yes there is economics in play here, your stock just fell

When Enron fell some of the people posed for playboy...

Where are my nudes for BRD?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 06, 2011, 08:09:17 pm
Yes there is economics in play here, your stock just fell
Fallacy sir. Fallacy...tis all about perspective.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Darkkarma on September 06, 2011, 08:21:43 pm
Yes there is economics in play here, your stock just fell

Hardly. With the Strat wipe, all financial deals became null and void unless one chose to re-establish the contract. Druzhina just came with a better offer. There is no loyalty in the competitive business world. You go with whoever or whatever helps you gain the largest profit. If you want to pull the loyalty card you'd better save it for other nation or empire clans. I don't see anyone saying the Mercs stock has fallen for working with those with the largest coin pocket. If they can get the job done, then they will do fine.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 06, 2011, 09:01:42 pm
Like I said, fuck honour and fuck loyalty. Only money speaks to me. I DO WHAT I WANT.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Torben on September 06, 2011, 09:08:04 pm
I DO WHAT I WANT.

screw u guys,  i´m going home.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Aseldo on September 06, 2011, 10:13:00 pm
All I'm saying is, I don't see the point in offering you guys money if you're going to switch sides just for more money(by money I mean any equipment, land, coins, friendship, ect)...unless we get a refund? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: dreamer_dw on September 06, 2011, 10:14:11 pm
Hardly. With the Strat wipe, all financial deals became null and void unless one chose to re-establish the contract. Druzhina just came with a better offer. There is no loyalty in the competitive business world. You go with whoever or whatever helps you gain the largest profit. If you want to pull the loyalty card you'd better save it for other nation or empire clans. I don't see anyone saying the Mercs stock has fallen for working with those with the largest coin pocket. If they can get the job done, then they will do fine.

You rock, my friend.  8-) That's all I've got to say..
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 06, 2011, 10:26:14 pm
All I'm saying is, I don't see the point in offering you guys money if you're going to switch sides just for more money(by money I mean any equipment, land, coins, friendship, ect)...unless we get a refund? :mrgreen:
Sure...You may have your refund now. Enjoy it in the few hours you have  :lol:
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Aseldo on September 06, 2011, 10:30:05 pm
Sure...You may have your refund now. Enjoy it in the few hours you have  :lol:

Lol you know what I meant :( but okay :D *goes to casino*
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: [ptx] on September 06, 2011, 10:49:20 pm
Heh, speaking of merc contracts. Back when i was a Merc_, during the first strategus, we sort-of made up these rules, so we wouldn't be switching sides a hundred times during a contract and could thus be relied upon to some extent. Not sure if they still follow them (or if we ever really did), but it went along the lines of the first side to contact us, offering us a contract price. If that contract wasn't to be secret (extra pricey!), then we would ask the other side to top the offer, then again ask the first side. After that we would be commited and would not switch sides, regardless of offers.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 07, 2011, 04:38:02 am
The details of the contract between White Company and Druzhina have been amended.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Nebun on September 07, 2011, 04:39:32 am
Druzhina accepted new terms
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Darkkarma on September 07, 2011, 04:40:12 am
Do you ever sleep, Nebun? I feel like you are on at all hours.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Dehitay on September 07, 2011, 04:52:59 am
Just saw the White Company on the Strategus map. It turns out that they're actually black. Just further proof that these liars can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 07, 2011, 04:56:36 am
Just saw the White Company on the Strategus map. It turns out that they're actually black. Just further proof that these liars can't be trusted.
8-)
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 07, 2011, 09:45:17 am
well, what a suprise
so thats a merc clan, that doesnt deserve to beiing hired again
when they attack a village, with 6k troops, and in that village, there where 2300 troops and suddenly drz reinforced it with 6k extra troops, they just quit and breaking contracts
well, what a bunch of crap
the most mercs would have to fight until 1 of the parties are winning, and then switching side to the winning partys or retreating of the losing party, thats roleplay mercenary
this war between fcc and drz isnt over and atm its were equally

well, forget the promises of drz if they offer you land, becouse when fcc is kickt out, its youre turn to moving away from there lands
just like the other clans, they suddenly all forgot how drz was taking there lands also, so that means, allot of big talk at the forums, but in reallity they are just scared like litle girls, hmmm maybe you just make a new name for wco, the litle girls

First of all get a spell checker.

If I can discern your hieroglyphics it is sheer nonsense to allege that we did not fulfill our contract. Lest I need to remind you that an option is a contract sold by one party (option writer) to another party (option holder). The contract offers the buyer the right, but not the obligation, to buy (call) or sell (put) a security or other financial asset at an agreed-upon price (the strike price) during a certain period of time or on a specific date (exercise date). Moreover, The intrinsic value of an option is the value of exercising it now. If the option is out-of-the-money at expiration, its holder will simply abandon the option and it will expire worthless. Because no rational investor would choose to exercise out-of-the-money, an option can never have a negative value-except in your eyes it appears. I am sorry but having fulfilled our obligations and the imminent gold wipe, it was clear that we needed to exercise our rights as any rational investor would do, and thus stipulated in the contract. To act as you suggest would be an act irrationally.

Think about it, what you are suggesting is that an American Soldier has to continue fighting in Afghanistan even after his enlistment is up simply because the war is not over.  After having fulfilled their contract those soldiers have the right to switch sides and become civilians.  I would never question your Patriotism, but is this your idea of supporting our troops?

As for you mentioning the escalation of troops by DRZ that occurred while we fulfilled our previous contract, these are merely negotiation tactics that led us to reach an amicable solution to our new contract. So please quit making aspersions of the White Company and DRZ. Our contract is being fulfilled harmoniously. However, these value-laden charges of yours are quite irresponsible and only inhibit free commerce, one of the greatest tools in generating World prosperity and World peace.

I think you should look at this video by Milton Friedman on what it takes to make a pencil so as to illustrate my point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. Adam Smith







Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 07, 2011, 09:47:12 am
Just saw the White Company on the Strategus map. It turns out that they're actually black. Just further proof that these liars can't be trusted.

HA! did you get it?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 07, 2011, 10:04:59 am
Yes there is economics in play here, your stock just fell

I am sorry but this is sheer nonsense. Stocks have two types of valuations. One is a value created using some type of cash flow, sales or fundamental earnings analysis. The other value is dictated by how much an investor is willing to pay for a particular share of stock and by how much other investors are willing to sell a stock for (in other words, by supply and demand). Both of these values change over time as investors change the way they analyze stocks and as they become more or less confident in the future of stocks.

By these two standards are stock has gone up. In an intrinsic stock valuation model we prolonged and increased our future cash flows, notwithstanding a severe disruption in the market i.e. the imminent Gold wipe. In the supply and demand model you can clearly see that our contact have only gotten bigger so by that measure our stock is up.

Au contraire mon fraire, if we would have done what you have suggested, we would have forgone a lucrative contract and have lost all our gold with no hope of replacing it!

The point is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8y6DJAeolo&NR=1

Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: 3ABP on September 07, 2011, 03:50:25 pm
1-2 more pages and I'll have bachelor degree in "stock Markets".
Go on pls ^)
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: [ptx] on September 07, 2011, 04:21:11 pm
Firmitas, i think they are talking of your reputation. A better contract = short term gain, a somewhat reliable rep = long term gain  :wink:
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Zanthos on September 07, 2011, 06:18:34 pm
To me, none of this thread has really been about the contracts. This has mostly become nothing more than a long derailed and heavily trolled thread. If you actually take an objective look at the details of actions that have taken place over the past weeks (which I'm sure most people reading this thread don't even have half the facts... and no I'm not going to try to timeline every little thing that has taken place), then you will understand why there is no concern on our end. That is why I can only assume Louis, in his ever so strange way, is counter-trolling so to speak. :)

We are acting as mercenaries exactly as we intend from our RP and non-RP clan perspectives. We fully understand the concept of reputation and have no problem with the rep that we currently have. We only share very small amounts of the information about what is going on behind the scenes on these forums. Those who actually talk and work with us outside of these incredibly... I'll call them entertaining... forum threads will know exactly what type of people and clan we are... and actually know how we conduct our business.

So all the seriousness aside.... back to the entertainment and trolling!
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 07, 2011, 10:19:04 pm
Firmitas, i think they are talking of your reputation. A better contract = short term gain, a somewhat reliable rep = long term gain  :wink:

At the White Company we have all the money we need. Of course we would love more money, but we can afford to lose money. However, we never can afford to lose a shred of reputation, not if we want to survive. That is why the White Company is willing to lose money, but we are not willing to lose reputation. My posts have simply sought  to substantiate this, as well as educate our beloved community on investments. This country faces 61 trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities, Social Security and Medicare as we know it is not going to be there for many in this community. This is why I am dedicated to enlighten this community, empowering this community so they will attain some form economic security via the equity markets.

http://www.youtube.com/user/LearnLiberty?v=KGPa5Ob-5Ps&feature=pyv&ad=7868481009&kw=capitalism
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: tony on September 07, 2011, 10:46:27 pm
The church issues a gag order on members of the company; failure to comply will be severly punished (this is srs biz).
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 07, 2011, 10:47:01 pm


So all the seriousness aside.... back to the entertainment and trolling!
yeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! more trolling PLZ!  :D
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: BaleOhay on September 08, 2011, 12:19:28 am
you were hired to fight DRZ.. you marched to their lands and hit a villiage with lower troops than you had... They reinforced... You wussed out.. End of story.

Not much else to know or do.. The rest is wind and words.


The contracts talk is the same BS all lawyers use when they are in the wrong and need to find some wiggle room to save face.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Darkkarma on September 08, 2011, 12:22:20 am
Lando is Ray Charles to the bullshit.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: BaleOhay on September 08, 2011, 12:27:06 am
We are still bros Darkhan!!!

It is just like the cival war.. brother fighting brother!
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 08, 2011, 12:27:41 am
you were hired to fight DRZ.. you marched to their lands and hit a villiage with lower troops than you had... They reinforced... You wussed out.. End of story.

Not much else to know or do.. The rest is wind and words.


The contracts talk is the same BS all lawyers use when they are in the wrong and need to find some wiggle room to save face.

Exactly, we ran cause we we're really scared of the wraith of DRZ. As soon as I saw there reinforcements pop up on the map I had to change my pants as I literally shit my pants.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: BaleOhay on September 08, 2011, 12:30:32 am
Maybe you should just leave them pee stained and call yourself the Yellow Company
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Uumdi on September 08, 2011, 12:52:18 am
Just saw the White Company on the Strategus map. It turns out that they're actually black. Just further proof that these liars can't be trusted.

That's racist, dawg
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: BaleOhay on September 08, 2011, 12:52:51 am
come back over to our side... we have Cake. We can make it White Cake with Cream Cheese frosting!
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Voso on September 08, 2011, 12:55:29 am
That's racist, dawg

Woww, I didn't even get that joke until you posted this.  :lol:
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 08, 2011, 01:08:15 am
you were hired to fight DRZ.. you marched to their lands and hit a villiage with lower troops than you had... They reinforced... You wussed out.. End of story.

Not much else to know or do.. The rest is wind and words.

The contracts talk is the same BS all lawyers use when they are in the wrong and need to find some wiggle room to save face.


I don't want to bring lawyers into this but I think you mean whine--not wind.

As to your erroneous point: I could easily refute it but our beloved Bishop has just signed a Papal bull that disallows us from releasing the secretly recorded tapes--tapes to which you are not privy because of your lack of clearance. All I will say is that we think highly of BRD, you have fought like lions. Meanwhile, we just decided to dance a little side step.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCDoBvG1HoI
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: SeQuel on September 08, 2011, 01:23:34 am
Maybe you should just leave them pee stained and call yourself the Yellow Company

Good idea, I'll bring that up in our next meeting.

Wait, scratch that shouldn't it be the Brown Company? I'll just mention both.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: tony on September 08, 2011, 01:26:38 am
SeQuel and Louie stop posting in this shit
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: BaleOhay on September 08, 2011, 01:29:34 am
Good idea, I'll bring that up in our next meeting.

Wait, scratch that shouldn't it be the Brown Company? I'll just mention both.

hmm maybe Green with corn on mexican  buffet night?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Dehitay on September 08, 2011, 01:36:00 am
I am sorry but this is sheer nonsense. Stocks have two types of valuations. One is a value created using some type of cash flow, sales or fundamental earnings analysis. The other value is dictated by how much an investor is willing to pay for a particular share of stock and by how much other investors are willing to sell a stock for (in other words, by supply and demand). Both of these values change over time as investors change the way they analyze stocks and as they become more or less confident in the future of stocks.

By these two standards are stock has gone up. In an intrinsic stock valuation model we prolonged and increased our future cash flows, notwithstanding a severe disruption in the market i.e. the imminent Gold wipe. In the supply and demand model you can clearly see that our contact have only gotten bigger so by that measure our stock is up.

Au contraire mon fraire, if we would have done what you have suggested, we would have forgone a lucrative contract and have lost all our gold with no hope of replacing it!

The point is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8y6DJAeolo&NR=1

Assuming you meant 'our stock' rather than 'are stock' by both standards I only see your "stock" going down. If this theoretical stock was supposed to pay out to theoretical stockholders, the gold wipe just crashed that aspect of your stock completely. The same gold wipe also would have lowered demand as people don't have as much to pay for your supply. And now that I've just written those two sentences, it occurs to me that if you're being paid in crpg gold rather than strat assets, both those statements are irrelevant, but I'm too lazy to backspace through them.

But still, if you go by popularity value of your "stock" (aka your reputation), unless you've significantly contributed to any particular faction obtaining an advantage, I don't see how your reputation would have gone up. But if accusations are right about you only executing one attack and then losing right before recontracting to the side that defeated you, it's entirely plausible that your reputation would go down.


P.S. When I was originally writing about the black White Company, my original intent was to point out the irony between their faction name and their faction color. But as I read over what I wrote, I realized how incredibly racist it sounded. So I did the right thing and posted it anyways
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 08, 2011, 04:24:18 am
Assuming you meant 'our stock' rather than 'are stock' by both standards I only see your "stock" going down. If this theoretical stock was supposed to pay out to theoretical stockholders, the gold wipe just crashed that aspect of your stock completely. The same gold wipe also would have lowered demand as people don't have as much to pay for your supply. And now that I've just written those two sentences, it occurs to me that if you're being paid in crpg gold rather than strat assets, both those statements are irrelevant, but I'm too lazy to backspace through them.

But still, if you go by popularity value of your "stock" (aka your reputation), unless you've significantly contributed to any particular faction obtaining an advantage, I don't see how your reputation would have gone up. But if accusations are right about you only executing one attack and then losing right before recontracting to the side that defeated you, it's entirely plausible that your reputation would go down.


P.S. When I was originally writing about the black White Company, my original intent was to point out the irony between their faction name and their faction color. But as I read over what I wrote, I realized how incredibly racist it sounded. So I did the right thing and posted it anyways

Our new contract will guarantee future discounted cash flows after the gold wipe. Indeed if we had not made this contract the intrinsic value of our company would have have gone down. Given that we did, our valuation based on future cash flows is assured after the Gold wipe. As to our stock's valuation in relation to the market, one can argue that we were severely undervalued when we were under the old contract. Under this more lucrative contract, our value went up.

As to your reputation arguments, if they were true, why would DRZ contract us? You are giving more value to negotiation tactics, than to the negotiations' final outcome. Ask yourself, why would DRZ contract a depressed asset after having invested so much in aggressive negotiations? I tell you why: because far from being a depressed asset, DRZ concluded that contracting the White Company would increase its Net Present Value.

Please, stop. I do this for a living.

Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Lordark on September 08, 2011, 05:25:12 am
Like listening to a buncha little kids mang.. On the shogun 2 honor scale Ts/Wco rate as 1. Dishone-rabel.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Dehitay on September 08, 2011, 05:35:37 am
As to your reputation arguments, if they were true, why would DRZ contract us? You are giving more value to negotiation tactics, than to the negotiations' final outcome. Ask yourself, why would DRZ contract a depressed asset after having invested so much in aggressive negotiations? I tell you why: because far from being a depressed asset, DRZ concluded that contracting the White Company would increase its Net Present Value.
That really depends on whether you're being paid in crpg gold or strat assets. If it's the former, then it's entirely possible that there's enough spare gold to afford mercenaries. If it's the later, then I actually am somewhat impressed. Either way, the fact that you've actually been hired isn't really a good measure of popularity. I could be the crappiest barber in the world, and I bet somebody would still be willing to throw $5 at me to give them a buzz cut if they have plenty of money to spend and need a simple haircut. What would be a more accurate measure of your popularity is how many different requests you're getting and what prices people are willing to pay. Then again, even with prices, it's hard to tell how popular you are since I don't know the average price for mercenary contracts. If we could get all the mercenary clans to post what requests they're getting for the same kind of work, it would be more obvious. Or if it's something ridiculously low or high like 1K or 1M, I could probly judge without contrast.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 08, 2011, 05:52:56 am
Like listening to a buncha little kids mang.. On the shogun 2 honor scale Ts/Wco rate as 1. Dishone-rabel.

You are hardly in a position to talk about honor, Mr. Glass House. And I would think that even you would be wise enough not to employ Shogun analogies, considering what happened to your now-defunct Seven Samurai clan, and what you almost did to Hospitaller during its beastly creation.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: firmitas on September 08, 2011, 06:13:21 am
That really depends on whether you're being paid in crpg gold or strat assets. If it's the former, then it's entirely possible that there's enough spare gold to afford mercenaries. If it's the later, then I actually am somewhat impressed. Either way, the fact that you've actually been hired isn't really a good measure of popularity. I could be the crappiest barber in the world, and I bet somebody would still be willing to throw $5 at me to give them a buzz cut if they have plenty of money to spend and need a simple haircut. What would be a more accurate measure of your popularity is how many different requests you're getting and what prices people are willing to pay. Then again, even with prices, it's hard to tell how popular you are since I don't know the average price for mercenary contracts. If we could get all the mercenary clans to post what requests they're getting for the same kind of work, it would be more obvious. Or if it's something ridiculously low or high like 1K or 1M, I could probly judge without contrast.

Looks like we are at an impasse. You are entitled to your opinion. I would just respectfully note that your barber analogy is misplaced. Indeed there are many barbers found at that price, but there are fewer in where they are getting paid progressively more for their services. As for popularity, our ethos is economic prosperity by ethically fulfilling our contracts. And just like it is not from the benevolence of the barber that we expect a good haircut, but from their regard to their own interest, he does not expect us to go to him because we find him popular even though he gives us a bad haircut.

But I appreciate your cogent argument. Regards.

 
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: tony on September 08, 2011, 06:46:41 am
Louie for fucks sake stop posting in hurr
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Angle on September 08, 2011, 08:31:37 am
@BIRD

Its the nature of Capitalism.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 08, 2011, 04:24:56 pm
You have ruined my trolling thread....I am much displeased.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Angle on September 21, 2011, 09:13:38 am
Good way to start - dishonor first merc contract and sign up on opposite side.

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Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Keshian on September 21, 2011, 03:15:17 pm
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Lol, wow 3 weeks adn that was the best you could come up with.  Its funny you looked for my post specifically, which was one of the earliest once and I haven't posted since, because I didn't give a shit.  You are really reaching now angle hahaha.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Rikthor on September 21, 2011, 03:53:26 pm
Lol, wow 3 weeks adn that was the best you could come up with.  Its funny you looked for my post specifically, which was one of the earliest once and I haven't posted since, because I didn't give a shit.  You are really reaching now angle hahaha.

What do you expect Kesh? Dude was literally for the hellwrold hacking mess because it happened to LLJK first, then decided to change his mind once it was happening to other people. Dude's a bit angry over vidja games, ya heard?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Keshian on September 21, 2011, 04:03:08 pm
What do you expect Kesh? Dude was literally for the hellwrold hacking mess because it happened to LLJK first, then decided to change his mind once it was happening to other people. Dude's a bit angry over vidja games, ya heard?

He does seem a bit upset.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Angle on September 21, 2011, 09:38:49 pm
You seem pretty mad, I'm sowwy Kesh I just had a hot round in my trollmachine and wanted to get it rolling :c

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Also I'm sincerely not mad at all(Trust me :lol:), if I were mad at anything it'd just be the boring feud we've got going on.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Devious_Duc_Volpe on September 21, 2011, 10:21:19 pm
I approve of feuds!  :?
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: Darkkarma on September 21, 2011, 11:32:50 pm
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Being that none of this is relevant anymore, I can honestly look back at this and say it's fucking hilarious. That picture is awesome.
Title: Re: Druzhina & White Company Contract
Post by: The_Angle on September 21, 2011, 11:33:52 pm
Being that none of this is relevant anymore, I can honestly look back at this and say it's fucking hilarious. That picture is awesome.
Yeah found it this morning, laughed aloud. And I was desperate to post it anywhere, it just so happened that Kesh would be the target :c